Wisconsin

[Galway Eagle]

The biggest difference is that I don't expect, nor do I want, government to make decisions for me. Every governmental mandate has political overtones to it. I'm fully capable of making my own decisions, hey?

So I agree with you, ideally a government isn't making the decisions for you. You made the responsible choice so it's easy to say you don't need a mandate. But if one of your patients came in maskless coughing like crazy and said they don't believe in this coronavirus hoax and made a big deal about their rights in your office, would you turn them away for not complying with your office rules? If so are you not essentially the same as the government enforcement except in a microcosm? You're protecting yourself and your employees from a threat, on a larger scale the government is trying to do the same (only replace employees with citizens)

[rocket surgeon]

Glad you axed. Yes, I have spent countless hours and dollars with the purpose of keeping my patients and staff safe. Staff and patients have temps taken. COVID question for is filled out and sign. Merv 17 air filtration units have been installed in the office. Social distancing is observed, proper wearing of masks are mandatory which includes covering both the nose and mouth. One time disposables are utilized along with face shields for those with direct patient contact. I wear an N95 mask and face shield all day. Iodine mouth rinses, which has been shown to kill viruses are required of patients prior to all intraoral procedures.
I feel perfectly safe in my office and patients have remarked that they do also, hey?

same her doc, except iodine...yuck!  people hate us enough but very effective nonetheless.  we use a peroxide based rinse.  also heard sometime back that listerine is very good so i stocked up on that before the shelves got bare. 

note that the "hypers" missed this part of your statement-then it opens
      "Don't misunderstand, I am not advocating that illness and death are to be taken lightly or are insignificant."

the collateral damage from this china virus is the other part of the equation our "leaders" do not want to deal with...right now anyway.  the death and destruction will be greater than we can account for post covid

[4everwarriors]

My patients have all received, via blast emails, what they can expect from me and my office. Likewise, the emails also include  what I, in turn, expect from them.
In the example you gave, my reply would be, "I require a properly worn mask at all times while in my office, except when you are directly receiving care. This is for the safety of all of us. And, if you choose not to properly wear a mask, I will require you to leave."
I am not a branch of government. I am a private business and my responsibility and duty is to create and maintain a comfortable and safe environment for all patients, staff, and myself, hey?

[The Sultan]

the collateral damage from this china virus is the other part of the equation our "leaders" do not want to deal with...right now anyway.  the death and destruction will be greater than we can account for post covid

Like what?

[Uncle Rico]

Like what?

I assume "leaders" in quotes is a shot at the "leaders" in charge of Wisconsin?  If so, I agree with Rocket.  The state legislature has ignored the long-term economic and mental health represcussions but what can you do?  It's personal responsibility

[forgetful]

The biggest difference is that I don't expect, nor do I want, government to make decisions for me. Every governmental mandate has political overtones to it. I'm fully capable of making my own decisions, hey?

Do you apply this to:

Drunken Driving
Marijuana
Abortions
Having Car Insurance
Wearing Clothes in public

etc, etc. or just when it politically expedient for you?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Do you apply this to:

Drunken Driving
Marijuana
Abortions
Having Car Insurance
Wearing Clothes in public

etc, etc. or just when it politically expedient for you?

Handicap spots seem to be a big item for 4ever

[Hards Alumni]

same her doc, except iodine...yuck!  people hate us enough but very effective nonetheless.  we use a peroxide based rinse.  also heard sometime back that listerine is very good so i stocked up on that before the shelves got bare. 

note that the "hypers" missed this part of your statement-then it opens
      "Don't misunderstand, I am not advocating that illness and death are to be taken lightly or are insignificant."

the collateral damage from this china virus is the other part of the equation our "leaders" do not want to deal with...right now anyway.  the death and destruction will be greater than we can account for post covid

"china virus"  LOL 

[tower912]

the collateral damage from this china virus is the other part of the equation our "leaders" do not want to deal with...right now anyway.  the death and destruction will be greater than we can account for post covid

Congratulations and thank you for agreeing with what other have been saying all along.     

[injuryBug]

  also heard sometime back that listerine is very good so i stocked up on that before the shelves got bare. 

must have heard it from the greatone, do you tape your ankles too lol

[tower912]

must have heard it from the greatone, do you tape your ankles too lol

Great reference that only people who have been here a loonnnnnnngggggg time, or on Dodd's board for a long time, will get.   

[WI inferiority Complexes]

greatone

Gr8one

[The Lens]

Great reference that only people who have been here a loonnnnnnngggggg time, or on Dodd's board for a long time, will get.

I can't believe we've now been doing "this" (Ahoya / Dodds / Scoop) for 20+ years.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Great reference that only people who have been here a loonnnnnnngggggg time, or on Dodd's board for a long time, will get.

Yeah, we've been internet losers for a long, long time.  Lol.

Hand squeezers too...

[Galway Eagle]

My patients have all received, via blast emails, what they can expect from me and my office. Likewise, the emails also include  what I, in turn, expect from them.
In the example you gave, my reply would be, "I require a properly worn mask at all times while in my office, except when you are directly receiving care. This is for the safety of all of us. And, if you choose not to properly wear a mask, I will require you to leave."
I am not a branch of government. I am a private business and my responsibility and duty is to create and maintain a comfortable and safe environment for all patients, staff, and myself, hey?

I get, agree with, and respect your objective "to create and maintain a comfortable and safe environment for all patients, staff and myself". I think that in times of crisis, the government has to have the same view of all its citizens. The USA is their business, the citizens are their patients, staff and selves and the mandate is their email saying what's expected in other to defeat the virus. Unfortunately, some businesses fundamentally are not going to be places that work with those guidelines (indoor bars, concerts, etc) faster and stricter everyone abides by the rules the faster they can work

[GooooMarquette]

Sometimes the government needs to tell people what to do for the good of society.  Since society has shown that it cannot act responsibly during a pandemic, rules should be put in place.

Bingo! The actions of noncompliant people are directly affecting the lives of compliant people, so it is completely appropriate for government to step in.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Small government has turned into "I want to do what I want, whenever I want without facing the consequences for my actions. Even if it is others who will be facing those consequences." I'm all for being left alone but if I am hucking eggs for fun into the side of someone's house, they probably have a right to get mad at me.

[Warriors4ever]

For years I have heard people say they want government to be run like a business. So if a business can require masks, then the government should be able to as well, as the welfare of the people is its business. And as stated, it has already been shown that many people left on their own will not act responsibly.

[tower912]

Going forward, going to need to be more specific about what kind of business and what kind of businessman.

[Warriors4ever]

No kidding.
I have never actually subscribed to that theory. Government and business are two separate things

[GooooMarquette]

No kidding.
I have never actually subscribed to that theory. Government and business are two separate things

Yep.

The goal of a business is to make money, plain and simple. Businesses that look out for the welfare of their employees do it mainly because they recognize employee well-being as beneficial to the company.

The goal of a (non-totalitarian) government is to serve the needs of its citizens. Period. Sometimes that means giving the citizens the freedom to do as they choose...but sometimes the needs of the citizens require restrictions to protect them from each other, in the name of the greater good.

[rocket surgeon]

I assume "leaders" in quotes is a shot at the "leaders" in charge of Wisconsin?  If so, I agree with Rocket.  The state legislature has ignored the long-term economic and mental health represcussions but what can you do?  It's personal responsibility

  thank you uncle!  national "leaders" and "leaders" of our health organizations and the associated "experts" included.  untreated medical issues due to either being postponed or from people scared out of their minds to go near a hospital or out of the house for that matter.  children missing out on the social aspect of gathering in person.  parents last minute scrambling to find day care or skipping work altogether.  child abuse, spousal abuse, drug abuse, relapse and overdoses.  lost time at schools leading to falling behind in educational growth, athletic participation and future opportunity at higher levels

  sully-unless you were trolling, i would have expected that you being aligned with our "higher" educational
process, would be familiar or attuned to some, if not all of these critical issues.  i probably left some out

the teachers that do not feel safe should not be forced to go to work. likewise, they should also not be paid.  that money should go to the parents to offset their costs in assuming most of the role of teaching and child care arrangements.  school portions of our property taxes should be adjusted.  all building of school associated buildings should be halted immediately. tax vouchers should be immediately made available to attend the schools of their choices that parents would otherwise have to pay out of pocket for

[Uncle Rico]

  thank you uncle!  national "leaders" and "leaders" of our health organizations and the associated "experts" included.  untreated medical issues due to either being postponed or from people scared out of their minds to go near a hospital or out of the house for that matter.  children missing out on the social aspect of gathering in person.  parents last minute scrambling to find day care or skipping work altogether.  child abuse, spousal abuse, drug abuse, relapse and overdoses.  lost time at schools leading to falling behind in educational growth, athletic participation and future opportunity at higher levels

  sully-unless you were trolling, i would have expected that you being aligned with our "higher" educational
process, would be familiar or attuned to some, if not all of these critical issues.  i probably left some out

the teachers that do not feel safe should not be forced to go to work. likewise, they should also not be paid.  that money should go to the parents to offset their costs in assuming most of the role of teaching and child care arrangements.  school portions of our property taxes should be adjusted.  all building of school associated buildings should be halted immediately. tax vouchers should be immediately made available to attend the schools of their choices that parents would otherwise have to pay out of pocket for

Yup, the failure of the Wisconsin legislature to tackle these problems is appalling

[MU82]

Congrats, Cheezland!

[Uncle Rico]

Congrats, Cheezland!

With deer hunting and Turkey day right around the corner, I'm confident we can pass the Dakotas.  We're Big Ten country, baby