Wisconsin

[mu_hilltopper]

Aaaand we're back to sheltering this thread in place for a while.

Wisconsin, people. 

[mu_hilltopper]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/05/20/coronavirus-wisconsin-state-again-reports-record-number-covid-19-cases/5227624002/

528 new cases in WI today .. new record increase.

It kinda boggles the mind that when WI had 33 (active) cases the state decided to close down.  Fast forward 75 days and WI has 5,200 active cases and we're open.

(* Yes, probably more than 33 and 5200, the point remains.)

[rocky_warrior]

Yup, crisis averted!  Back to work you lazy fear mongers!

[Hards Alumni]

Yup, crisis averted!  Back to work, peasantsyou lazy fear mongers!

FTFY

[Skatastrophy]

Wisconsin is testing ~6k people per day compared to Illinois ~20k tests per day. What's the hold-up?

Edit: Nevermind, just saw that IL is now #1 testing per capita. That may be an unfair comparison. WI is top 20.

[Jockey]

A federal lawsuit was filed Wednesday against City of Racine Public Health Administrator Dottie-Kay Bowersox, and 20 other Wisconsin officials, alleging that locally mandated Safer at Home orders are unconstitutional.


And of course it is no surprise that this effort is being driven by "religion". 95,000? Why stop there? Let's kill us some more people.

[mu_hilltopper]

Here's the lawsuit text:
https://issuu.com/communicatornews/docs/filed_federal_complaint_vs_local_shutdown_extensio

If I'm not mistaken, all of these emergency health rules have expired, or will expire in the next few days.   

It's just .. flabbergasting that there are humans in this world with nothing better to do than bring a lawsuit like this.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Here's the lawsuit text:
https://issuu.com/communicatornews/docs/filed_federal_complaint_vs_local_shutdown_extensio

If I'm not mistaken, all of these emergency health rules have expired, or will expire in the next few days.   

It's just .. flabbergasting that there are humans in this world with nothing better to do than bring a lawsuit like this.

You must be new to this country. I shall call you Balki.

[Hards Alumni]

Here's the lawsuit text:
https://issuu.com/communicatornews/docs/filed_federal_complaint_vs_local_shutdown_extensio

If I'm not mistaken, all of these emergency health rules have expired, or will expire in the next few days.   

It's just .. flabbergasting that there are humans in this world with nothing better to do than bring a lawsuit like this.

Give NPR a listen when they have average people calling in about the law.  It's eye opening, and I don't know how lawyers deal with people on a daily basis.

[JWags85]

A federal lawsuit was filed Wednesday against City of Racine Public Health Administrator Dottie-Kay Bowersox, and 20 other Wisconsin officials, alleging that locally mandated Safer at Home orders are unconstitutional.


And of course it is no surprise that this effort is being driven by "religion". 95,000? Why stop there? Let's kill us some more people.

The lawsuits are ridiculous but Wisconsin isn't in the top half of states in either confirmed cases or deaths.  Under 500 deaths to date, lets call it under 600 giving a generous 20% bump for undercounting.  There is plenty of testing being done as alluded to a few points before, hospitals are nowhere near stretched or overrun during this time.

To continue to frame people that want to reopen and restart some semblance of their lives in a place like Wisconsin as callous and murderous is completely slanted and disingenuous. There has been a successful 2 month lockdown.  Not every place can and will be as disastrous as NY.

[Jockey]

The lawsuits are ridiculous but Wisconsin isn't in the top half of states in either confirmed cases or deaths.  Under 500 deaths to date, lets call it under 600 giving a generous 20% bump for undercounting.  There is plenty of testing being done as alluded to a few points before, hospitals are nowhere near stretched or overrun during this time.

To continue to frame people that want to reopen and restart some semblance of their lives in a place like Wisconsin as callous and murderous is completely slanted and disingenuous. There has been a successful 2 month lockdown.  Not every place can and will be as disastrous as NY.

Wags, the lawsuit was filed against the order in Racine. Racine currently ranks in the top 10 in the country for new cases per capita. But you're right. It won't be as bad here as in NY.

It's also being filed due to religious persecution. I guess that is a thing now that we have a Godly man in the oval Office.

[Hards Alumni]

The lawsuits are ridiculous but Wisconsin isn't in the top half of states in either confirmed cases or deaths.  Under 500 deaths to date, lets call it under 600 giving a generous 20% bump for undercounting.  There is plenty of testing being done as alluded to a few points before, hospitals are nowhere near stretched or overrun during this time.

To continue to frame people that want to reopen and restart some semblance of their lives in a place like Wisconsin as callous and murderous is completely slanted and disingenuous. There has been a successful 2 month lockdown.  Not every place can and will be as disastrous as NY.

I think we can agree here.  The issue is that we seem to be opening the dam full rather than a slow roll out.  We can open safely with the understanding that if the rules aren't followed and our hospitals start to fill up we may have to close again.  Personally, I'd hope that'd be enough to convince people to be responsible with this so we don't have to go back to SIP again... but that's just hope, people are kinda dumb.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

You must be new to this country. I shall call you Balki.

80's reference, nice.

[Pakuni]

To continue to frame people that want to reopen and restart some semblance of their lives in a place like Wisconsin as callous and murderous is completely slanted and disingenuous. There has been a successful 2 month lockdown.  Not every place can and will be as disastrous as NY.

How about callous and reckless?
Everybody wants to open up and every state - at least that I'm aware of  - is in the process of doing so. The issues in most places regard at what pace and with what precautions. Wisconsin, on the other hand, decided to go from zero to 60 in an instant.

[JWags85]

How about callous and reckless?
Everybody wants to open up and every state - at least that I'm aware of  - is in the process of doing so. The issues in most places regard at what pace and with what precautions. Wisconsin, on the other hand, decided to go from zero to 60 in an instant.

Sure, but it's not just a Wisconsin thing. It's a prevailing sentiment nationwide. Plenty of people are reacting to opening back up, even in phased approaches, as welcoming death.

Wisconsin has bundled this totally across the board, there is no denying that. But there is a difference between people being a bit too exuberant and possibly rushing towards normalcy in a reckless way, and flat out implying they don't give a damn about others or happily accept more deaths if it means they can go to church/go to the salon/go to the bar. It's the politicizing again. There are shades of grey to this, not everyone that expresses something that trends away from your viewpoint is a socialist libtard or greedy MAGA science denier moron

People calling for lockdowns until we have a cure, screaming your business isn't more important than saving even 1 life, those telling people to prepare not to fly got 18-24 months...those people suck. A**holes protesting at the capital with M-16s, filing stupid lawsuits, going viral cause they are fighting with store managers cause they refuse to wear a mask....those people suck. But in between, there are a variety of people with different opinions colored by personal experiences who want to proceed or assess risk in a different way due to their unique situation. Painting them with the same broad brush as the fringe groups I mentioned is assuredly asking for further division which is a bigger threat to a COVID progress than the disease itself.

[jficke13]

Here's the lawsuit text:
https://issuu.com/communicatornews/docs/filed_federal_complaint_vs_local_shutdown_extensio

If I'm not mistaken, all of these emergency health rules have expired, or will expire in the next few days.   

It's just .. flabbergasting that there are humans in this world with nothing better to do than bring a lawsuit like this.

Huh, could have SWORN I commented on this but I don't see it. If so, sorry for the double post.

Look at the attorney who signed the complaint. Google his pathway from JAG to Judge to Private Practice. Pay special attention to the way his time on the bench ended.

This law suit is, not to put too fine a point on it, an audition for a very specific kind of role with a very specific kind (or type) of organization. Not a real effort to secure substantive relief for the named plaintiffs.

If/when beers before games become a thing again, find me and ask about litigating in his courtroom. I've got at least one good one and would be willing to bet anyone who spent time in the trenches in Ozaukee have more. Probably not the share on an open forum kind of story, but still...

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Wags, the lawsuit was filed against the order in Racine. Racine currently ranks in the top 10 in the country for new cases per capita. But you're right. It won't be as bad here as in NY.

It's also being filed due to religious persecution. I guess that is a thing now that we have a Godly man in the oval Office.

Imma guessing that you donate to the Freedom From Religion foundation.

[Spotcheck Billy]

[MarquetteDano]

Sure, but it's not just a Wisconsin thing. It's a prevailing sentiment nationwide. Plenty of people are reacting to opening back up, even in phased approaches, as welcoming death.

Wisconsin has bundled this totally across the board, there is no denying that. But there is a difference between people being a bit too exuberant and possibly rushing towards normalcy in a reckless way, and flat out implying they don't give a damn about others or happily accept more deaths if it means they can go to church/go to the salon/go to the bar. It's the politicizing again. There are shades of grey to this, not everyone that expresses something that trends away from your viewpoint is a socialist libtard or greedy MAGA science denier moron

People calling for lockdowns until we have a cure, screaming your business isn't more important than saving even 1 life, those telling people to prepare not to fly got 18-24 months...those people suck. A**holes protesting at the capital with M-16s, filing stupid lawsuits, going viral cause they are fighting with store managers cause they refuse to wear a mask....those people suck. But in between, there are a variety of people with different opinions colored by personal experiences who want to proceed or assess risk in a different way due to their unique situation. Painting them with the same broad brush as the fringe groups I mentioned is assuredly asking for further division which is a bigger threat to a COVID progress than the disease itself.

Well said.

[Jockey]

The lawsuits are ridiculous but Wisconsin isn't in the top half of states in either confirmed cases or deaths.  Under 500 deaths to date, lets call it under 600 giving a generous 20% bump for undercounting.  There is plenty of testing being done as alluded to a few points before, hospitals are nowhere near stretched or overrun during this time.

To continue to frame people that want to reopen and restart some semblance of their lives in a place like Wisconsin as callous and murderous is completely slanted and disingenuous. There has been a successful 2 month lockdown.  Not every place can and will be as disastrous as NY.

I agree that we need to start opening things back up again, but I also think it is pretty clear that many businesses have no regard for their employees.


At least 32 workers at the Amazon campus in Kenosha have contracted coronavirus in the past two months, according to messages sent to employees and shared with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Amazon officials have not fully cooperated with public health workers trying to track cases, inform workers who might be at risk or offering testing and other safety measures, said Jen Freiheit, health officer for Kenosha County. "We're at the point now that since we're not getting that, we're going to look into what other measures we can take for Amazon, because we are not getting as far with compliance as we would like," Freiheit said. If Amazon officials do not cooperate with health officials, Freiheit said she would consider attempting to shut down the Kenosha facilities.

Meat packing plants have been much worse than Amazon. Some have said they will not start testing until 10% of the workforce has contracted Covid. Others are forcing workers to come back without supplying proper PPE.

So while it would be nice if we could open quicker, much of Corporate America will do little to ensure the safety of their people.

[Jockey]

Imma guessing that you donate to the Freedom From Religion foundation.

Why would I do that?

[MU82]

Poll after poll after poll show that Americans surveyed are not ready to throw the country back open, and they support their governors who haven't done so. Most of the polls haven't been close.

The latest, from Michigan, shows overwhelming support for Whitmer's handling of the pandemic. They say the protests do not have wide support at all. The only group that thinks differently is Republican men. Dems, Independents and GOP women are on board.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/20/republican-men-views-coronavirus/5227671002/

[mu_hilltopper]

After yesterday's new record for cases .. today's numbers are down slightly to 3rd highest case increase.

[injuryBug]

After yesterday's new record for cases .. today's numbers are down slightly to 3rd highest case increase.

also had almost 9000 tests so back down to 6% positive

[Mutaman]

Give NPR a listen when they have average people calling in about the law.  It's eye opening, and I don't know how lawyers deal with people on a daily basis.

Cary Grant in "Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House" summed it all up:


Jim Blandings: (On the phone with his attorney) Mr. William Cole, please. Hello, Bill. They can't get away with this! I know my rights as a citizen. Why, this notice from the owner of this building. He wants our apartment. He's ordering us to move in thirty days. Well, that's ridiculous! How can I move into a house that isn't even finished? There are no windows, no plaster, no paint. Now you listen to me: I have no intention of moving in thirty days. This is not legal! I'm going to fight this thing and I don't care if it takes every penny I've got! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah!

Muriel Blandings: Well?

Jim Blandings: We're moving in thirty days.