Wisconsin

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Man, eye'm lookin' like da shaggy dawg, hey?

I want to call the girl that cuts my hair^tm and ask her if she can meet me at Pet Smart, use their dog grooming tables to get this mop of grey off my head. 

[mu_hilltopper]

I wrote this earlier about WI's election .. if it turns out "only" 40 .. or hell, triple it to 120 people got infected on Election Day .. that's 40 of 413,000 in-person voters.  That's .009% .. and WI is averaging 160 per day. 

Once we "open" back up .. we're going to have these kinds of spikes constantly.

Honestly, the election showed a path of holding an event extraordinarily safely. 

Yeah, any number north of zero sucks.  Welcome to the new world.  Gonna be like this for two more years.

[MU82]

I wrote this earlier about WI's election .. if it turns out "only" 40 .. or hell, triple it to 120 people got infected on Election Day .. that's 40 of 413,000 in-person voters.  That's .009% .. and WI is averaging 160 per day. 

Once we "open" back up .. we're going to have these kinds of spikes constantly.

Honestly, the election showed a path of holding an event extraordinarily safely. 

Yeah, any number north of zero sucks.  Welcome to the new world.  Gonna be like this for two more years.

That's a very reasonable view, 'topper. It still was absolutely unnecessary to subject Wisconsinites to that, but it's hard to argue with the numbers.

[wadesworld]

I would guess more than 40 voters got Covid 19 while voting.

But even if it's at 40.  How many people were infected by those 40 people?

[Hards Alumni]

I would guess more than 40 voters got Covid 19 while voting.

But even if it's at 40.  How many people were infected by those 40 people?

Therein lies the problem.  We don't know.  No testing, no contact tracing, and we aren't counting asymptomatic people who got it and have spread it to people who didn't go to the polls.

Some folks here think that 40 is no big deal.  Sure, 40 is acceptable, especially if no one dies!  But we don't live in a vacuum.  This is exactly how this virus will spread over the coming weeks. 

[Lennys Tap]

I wrote this earlier about WI's election .. if it turns out "only" 40 .. or hell, triple it to 120 people got infected on Election Day .. that's 40 of 413,000 in-person voters.  That's .009% .. and WI is averaging 160 per day. 

Once we "open" back up .. we're going to have these kinds of spikes constantly.

Honestly, the election showed a path of holding an event extraordinarily safely. 

Yeah, any number north of zero sucks.  Welcome to the new world.  Gonna be like this for two more years.

+1. New reality. Painful but reasonable - better (IMO) than panic.

[#UnleashSean]

+1. New reality. Painful but reasonable - better (IMO) than panic.

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

[jesmu84]

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

We'll have to wait and see.

There's a LOT that could change in this country as a result of this pandemic. Healthcare, economy, politics, etc.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

I will say comparing this to the Spanish Flu at this point is like declaring a basketball champ in the first half of game one.  And god I hope we do better than the Spanish flu.  We have better technology, medical system and more resources to battle this than the early 1900s

Frankly my biggest disappointment is we are only throwing social distancing at it to date.  But then again it's only been 4 months in total.

[tower912]

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

I think that life will return to 90% of normal.   As soon as there is widespread antibodies testing as well as an effective treatment, I think society will collectively roll the dice and start striving for a return to a semblance of normalcy.

But if we as a society fail to learn lessons from this and strive to improve our institutions, then we as a society will deserve the next, worse, pandemic.

[pacearrow02]

I think that life will return to 90% of normal.   As soon as there is widespread antibodies testing as well as an effective treatment, I think society will collectively roll the dice and start striving for a return to a semblance of normalcy.

But if we as a society fail to learn lessons from this and strive to improve our institutions, then we as a society will deserve the next, worse, pandemic.

What institutions are you referring to?  WHO, FDA?

[Jockey]

What institutions are you referring to?  WHO, FDA?

You really need to ask?

[tower912]

All.   Health care.   Education.   WHO.  CDC.  Congress.   The military.  Voters.  Anybody who doesn't learn from this is a fool.

[Hards Alumni]

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

This should age well.

[#UnleashSean]

You really need to ask?

Blaming this on a single entity cough cough party is asinine.

Just in wisconsin Evers was slow to act.

[Jockey]

Blaming this on a single entity cough cough party is asinine.

Just in wisconsin Evers was slow to act.

The legislature thinks he was too fast to act.

[reinko]

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

Ah yes, those 9/11 changes of taking off our shoes at the airport unless you pay $100 for TSA Pre Check.

[Mutaman]

Not really a new reality. life will go back to normal, relatively shortly. The Spanish flu was waaaaaaaaaay worse and life went back to normal.
Were not talking about 9/11 style changes (as some on here have said)

Not to minimize the effects of 9/11, or to disrespect those who died and suffered as a result, but I suspect most NYers would say this is making 9/11 look like a walk in the park.

[pacearrow02]

This should age well.

Better or worse then your prediction the national guard would be out patrolling the streets handing out large fines for those not abiding by the stay at home orders?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Better or worse then your prediction the national guard would be out patrolling the streets handing out large fines for those not abiding by the stay at home orders?

[pacearrow02]

All.   Health care.   Education.   WHO.  CDC.  Congress.   The military.  Voters.  Anybody who doesn't learn from this is a fool.

That's fair I guess and there are certainly lessons to be learned I think when it comes to public transportation and overall hygiene but trying to better understand how this can be prevented moving forward from an institutional angle.  Check temperatures at airports, close borders, make a law requiring social distance, alternating days at school?

It's easy to throw out platitudes but when you're weighing civil liberties and basic constitutional rights I'm not sure what anyone can do.

[#UnleashSean]

Ah yes, those 9/11 changes of taking off our shoes at the airport unless you pay $100 for TSA Pre Check.

Not sure if trolling or dumb.

[JWags85]

Not to minimize the effects of 9/11, or to disrespect those who died and suffered as a result, but I suspect most NYers would say this is making 9/11 look like a walk in the park.

As someone who dates a NYC resident who had a brother in law that worked downtown at the time, works with many lifelong New Yorkers, and has multiple associates who lost loved ones in 9/11. Not a chance.

I've spent the last 7 weeks here. The general mood ranges from uneasy to surreal to fairly normal, albeit a bit strange. The mood post-9/11 is not even comparable. Sure COVID has claimed more lives, but it didn't snatch nearly 3000 people in hours, people simply not coming home, and leaving a literally smoking crater in the heart of the city. NYC won't have to collectively rebuild both physically and as city spirit after this. Losing loved ones or someone you know to sickness is hard, losing them to unexpected murder is far more severe. The vast majority of New Yorkers haven't had the jarring visual or physical experience with COVID that they did on 9/11

[WarriorDad]

All.   Health care.   Education.   WHO.  CDC.  Congress.   The military.  Voters.  Anybody who doesn't learn from this is a fool.

What would it mean to learn in this case?  Using the simplest of examples should we have masks for every man, woman and child up to what number of masks each?  Is it 5, is it 25, is it 100? 

Now the same exercise on medicine.  Should we have China or any other country making half of our medications? 

Now the same exercise on salaries.  If you want the best and brightest finding cures, developing drugs, you need to pay them a considerable wage which requires their products are charged a significant price to pay for those wages.

Should our travel policies be much more restrictive?  Should our foreign borders be closed?  So many examples.

We all have to ask ourselves what does it mean to learn from this? What does it mean to be safe? What freedoms are we giving up?  What risks are we willing to live with for an event that happens once every 250 years vs the enormous costs to try and insulate ourself against every possible outcome.   What are the tradeoffs in treasure, civil liberties, resources, health (mental and physical).  Interesting questions to debate in the next decade.

[wadesworld]

What would it mean to learn in this case?  Using the simplest of examples should we have masks for every man, woman and child up to what number of masks each?  Is it 5, is it 25, is it 100? 

Now the same exercise on medicine.  Should we have China or any other country making half of our medications? 

Now the same exercise on salaries.  If you want the best and brightest finding cures, developing drugs, you need to pay them a considerable wage which requires their products are charged a significant price to pay for those wages.

Should our travel policies be much more restrictive?  Should our foreign borders be closed?  So many examples.

We all have to ask ourselves what does it mean to learn from this? What does it mean to be safe? What freedoms are we giving up?  What risks are we willing to live with for an event that happens once every 250 years vs the enormous costs to try and insulate ourself against every possible outcome.   What are the tradeoffs in treasure, civil liberties, resources, health (mental and physical).  Interesting questions to debate in the next decade.

How about this...when other major countries start shutting down due to a health crisis that is jumping from one country to the next, listen to your health experts and start preparing for it to hit your country, rather than relying on a miracle (the words of the man you *did not* vote for).

Seems like a simple, good starting point.