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[rocket surgeon]

No one's asking you to get excited. Indeed, nobody expects it. You dislike Wojo too much to get excited about anything he does, and that's cool. Seriously. I actually understand why even long-time, die-hard Warrior fans might be apathetic.

When it comes to his recruiting, though, you're beyond merely apathetic.

I've yet to figure out why you seem to get strange joy out of him missing on recruits. Heck, you even seem to get strange joy out of him possibly missing on recruits. So it must have been devastating for you when he outrecruited everybody for a McDonald's All-American and two other highly ranked kids.

Butt hay, Dock, ewe bee ewe.

82, fair, but we seem to been on this rodeo before. His recruits ain't bad, then they get on the floor...and...pffftt, where'd they go? 

I was a big wojo fan but have been let down more times than the pimply faced kid getting turned down by Jennifer Anniston's too many times

Now it's time to take some of these kids to the next level and turn me into men turning down Jennifer Aniston going for Nina agdal  bo chicka bow wow🤪

[wiscwarrior]

My take is 4ever looks at the results on the court. He has been an MU fan more years than many on this board have
been alive. Everyone wants Wojo to succeed. Year 7 coming up. Let's see.

I have probably been an MU fan longer than 4ever (unless he started in grade school and even then, maybe) . My quarrel is with his inability to give any credit to the current program for its successes. In my opinion, he was responding to a post on recruiting, and not giving due credit where deserved. Also, I guess I just don't appreciate snarky.

[79Warrior]

I have probably been an MU fan longer than 4ever (unless he started in grade school and even then, maybe) . My quarrel is with his inability to give any credit to the current program for its successes. In my opinion, he was responding to a post on recruiting, and not giving due credit where deserved. Also, I guess I just don't appreciate snarky.

Fair enough. I guess my question to you would be what are the successes?

[WhiteTrash]

Fair enough. I guess my question to you would be what are the successes?

IMHO,  Wojo is not the man for MU. It looks to me like a downward trend. But he has done some good work. He's definitely not a complete failure.  Plus he's a good man and has had high quality young men at MU.

[genious expert]

Fair enough. I guess my question to you would be what are the successes?

Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don't think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can't say he hasn't had any success.

[GoldenDieners32]

Alright, let's do a hypothetical...let's assume Carton, Burton and DeJulius all could get waivers for this year(which I do think is possible), of these 4...you can only have two...Turner, Carton, Burton and DeJulius..Let's also put a little twist on it and assume Carton would only be at MU for a year...who you taking?? For me it's Turner and the other one is tough, but I tend to play things year by year, and I want them to be REALLY good net year so I think on that premise I'd take Turner and Carton.

im going DJ and burton imo

[1SE]

Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don't think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can't say he hasn't had any success.

Seriously?

[4everwarriors]

Frankly, it's elementary. If you can't win in March, you're the wrong man for the job. Its just that clear and simple, particularly for a school like Marquette.

[Viper]

Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don't think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can't say he hasn't had any success.

WE ARE MARQUETTE...your idea of success might ok for Creighton. But this is Marquette. A basketball heritage few can replicate. Let's start acting like the big boy we are!! WE ARE MARQUETTE!!

[Uncle Rico]

WE ARE MARQUETTE...your idea of success might ok for Creighton. But this is Marquette. A basketball heritage few can replicate. Let's start acting like the big boy we are!! WE ARE MARQUETTE!!

Marquette has been to one Final Four in the modern era of college basketball and 5 Sweet 16's.  The coach that took this team to a Final 4 is widely mocked and many were glad he left

[Viper]

Point is, too many folks downplay Marquette as a basketball school with a tremendous history that it has. In the Big East, Villanova has it. Georgetown and St. John's HAD it. Who else? Marquette fans/alums need to demand more, and roll with some swagger. To say, 'we almost won the BE.' We're top 30. Talk about setting the bar low.
How about, we've been great...Elite. We've been bad. We've been average. Let's get back to Elite. No more, top 30 is acceptable. Is Wojo the guy to take MU back to a high level? Can he coach high-level talent (to his credit he's recruited)? Regardless. WE ARE MARQUETTE, so let's walk it.

[Viper]

Frankly, it's elementary. If you can't win in March, you're the wrong man for the job. Its just that clear and simple, particularly for a school like Marquette.

Bingo! 100% spot-on.

[panda]

Putting a top 30ish team on the floor 3 of the last 4 years (out of 353). Bringing in the programs all time leading scorer. Almost winning the conference last year. Idk. I don't think Wojo is the guy either because my expectations for the program are too high as well, but you can't say he hasn't had any success.

How much does strength of schedule play into those KenPom numbers?

Looking at 2016 Ellenson season vs. this last season, strength of schedule appears to be the one major difference.

[The Sultan]

Why would a guy with pro potential want to walk-on anywhere?  What's MU for a year...$40-$50k? Please. Get Carton to sign-on and forget about these other jokers. Carton, the incoming recruits, the returning roster and let's ball!!

Poor, poor take.

[The Sultan]

Point is, too many folks downplay Marquette as a basketball school with a tremendous history that it has. In the Big East, Villanova has it. Georgetown and St. John's HAD it. Who else? Marquette fans/alums need to demand more, and roll with some swagger. To say, 'we almost won the BE.' We're top 30. Talk about setting the bar low.
How about, we've been great...Elite. We've been bad. We've been average. Let's get back to Elite. No more, top 30 is acceptable. Is Wojo the guy to take MU back to a high level? Can he coach high-level talent (to his credit he's recruited)? Regardless. WE ARE MARQUETTE, so let's walk it.

If the only way you are satisfied is by being "elite," then you will be dissatisfied often.  The circumstances by which Marquette became elite don't exist today.  Marquette's not going to become elite again.  They most certainly can do better than what Wojo has brought, but elite?  No chance.

[WhiteTrash]

If the only way you are satisfied is by being "elite," then you will be dissatisfied often.  The circumstances by which Marquette became elite don't exist today.  Marquette's not going to become elite again.  They most certainly can do better than what Wojo has brought, but elite?  No chance.

Marquette being elite is as silly as a small Jesuit school in Spokane Washington being elite.

I don't expect "elite" but we can do better.

[The Sultan]

Marquette being elite is as silly as a small Jesuit school in Spokane Washington being elite.

I don't expect "elite" but we can do better.

Gonzaga has been to one Final Four in their history.  That's not elite. 

Marquette's absolute top end is Villanova.  That's about the best they can hope for.  So I guess that is elite...but good luck.

And I wholeheartedly agree we can do better.

[MU82]

I like Doc. We have had good conversations about being grandparents, enjoying family and friends, etc. I know that he is a good guy and that he is a big-time Marquette fan who wants the Warriors to win and win big.

I don't blame him for thinking Wojo should go. He's hardly the only one with that opinion, and it's hard to say those opinions aren't justified. Even I have gone from one of the most pro-Wojo Scoopers to realizing we might have to cut him loose to move the program forward.

And I do NOT think he wants the Warriors to lose. I certainly didn't say he did.

What I said, and what I believe his posting history shows, is that he gets some weird satisfaction out of Wojo missing on recruits. At the first sign that a talked-about recruit even might go elsewhere, Doc makes a snarky post about "green wienies" or some such. He seems to enjoy it when Wojo doesn't land recruits.

Wojo actually has been a pretty darn good recruiter. Not a great one, but pretty darn good. If he has done a lousy job of coaching 'em up, that's a whole 'nother thing to debate, and it really has nothing to do with this particular discussion.

I happen to think it's possible to dislike Wojo as a coach -- and even to want him gowne, gowne, gowne -- without celebrating his every recruiting miss. Others are free to disagree.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

FFS take the same tired Wojo and program debates to a thread on that topic.

[GoldenDieners32]

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1248964922479988737?s=21

Decision from DeJulius this week

[muguru]

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Wichita State transfer Asbjorn Midtgaard tells me he has committed to Grand Canyon.

Good level for him

[muguru]

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1248964922479988737?s=21

Decision from DeJulius this week

Could be a huge few days for MU coming up...although THIS week would mean today. This is the end of the week. I'm sure it's next week. LOL

[WhiteTrash]

Gonzaga has been to one Final Four in their history.  That's not elite. 

Marquette's absolute top end is Villanova.  That's about the best they can hope for.  So I guess that is elite...but good luck.

And I wholeheartedly agree we can do better.

Agreed. I was just kidding. Villanova success would be great but I'd take Creighton success right now.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Jordan Bruner from Yale headed to Alabama.

Cancelling his NBA draft declaration.

[WarriorPride68]

Seriously?

Losing 6 out of final 7 didn't actually happen. Just the quarantine getting to us