Transfer portal

[brewcity77]

@jakeweingarten: Indiana, Marquette, Northwestern, BYU, Dayton, are amongst the newest programs to reach out to Virginia Tech transfer Landers Nolley II, he told @Stockrisers.

60+ programs have reached out.

Ed Morrow with higher usage and a bit of a jumper. Not sure that's what we need.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'll be very surprised if no one transfers out.  Hope Symir isn't one of them.

https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1238576576268251137?s=19

[jesmu84]

Jfc.

You'd think the pandemic was MU bball and not Coronavirus.

You guys being isolated at home is not healthy, clearly

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Seems pretty clear that there is some real concern about our roster next year - and rightfully so. Let's hope we don't have any transfers out. With all the PT available that should help dissuade transfer.

Hard to fathom this was the forecasted reality/projection for Year 7 in Wojo's Golden Power Point.

The extensions given to Wojo by Lovell were premature and amateur.

So recruiting transfers means there's real concern about our roster? Does that mean every team who recruits a transfer has real concern about their roster?

As for the extension,  he needed to be extended or fired last season. The worst thing would be to do nothing. And no one is firing a coach after last season

[HutchwasClutch]

https://twitter.com/Syboogie10/status/1238576576268251137?s=19

Good to hear that.  He's one of very few returning guys i definitely want back.

[panda]

Ed Morrow with higher usage and a bit of a jumper. Not sure that's what we need.

I watched a fair amount of him this season. He's a four man who desperately wants to be a lead guard. No thanks.

[brewcity77]

I watched a fair amount of him this season. He's a four man who desperately wants to be a lead guard. No thanks.

Exactly. Everything I've heard is that he wants to be a wing, but like Ed, he's not a high major wing. No thanks.

[wadesworld]

A freshman former top 75 recruit who scored 16 ppg in an inefficient way in a high major conference? Absolutely worth a shot in my book. Long, lean, and doesn't have a history of injury.

Also, anyone who thinks Wojo shouldn't have gotten an extension doesn't understand how sports above the high school level work. Even professional coaches are extended when they might not have "earned" it looking at the results, and they aren't even going out recruiting players trying to convince them they should play for them...even though their contract ends before the player's time would finish there.

[Elonsmusk]

So recruiting transfers means there's real concern about our roster? Does that mean every team who recruits a transfer has real concern about their roster?

As for the extension,  he needed to be extended or fired last season. The worst thing would be to do nothing. And no one is firing a coach after last season

Some of the guys we've reached out don't exactly have great resumes. That reeks of desperation.

Further, wasn't the whole rationale for keeping Wojo around was that he'd bring "stability."  Yet here are in Year 7 with a roster that is currently not constructed very well. Did you really think we'd be reliant on the grad transfer/transfer market in Year 7?

As for the extension - the first extension after winning that pre-season NIT was amateur AF. Was no risk of losing him at that time and it didn't justify an extension.

As for extending him again?  Well that's fine University-based logic. Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn't deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.

[wadesworld]

Some of the guys we've reached out don't exactly have great resumes. That reeks of desperation.

Further, wasn't the whole rationale for keeping Wojo around was that he'd bring "stability."  Yet here are in Year 7 with a roster that is currently not constructed very well. Did you really think we'd be reliant on the grad transfer/transfer market in Year 7?

As for the extension - the first extension after winning that pre-season NIT was amateur AF. Was no risk of losing him at that time and it didn't justify an extension.

As for extending him again?  Well that's fine University-based logic. Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn't deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.

Yelling it louder doesn't make it any less clueless.

[panda]

A freshman former top 75 recruit who scored 16 ppg in an inefficient way in a high major conference? Absolutely worth a shot in my book. Long, lean, and doesn't have a history of injury.

Also, anyone who thinks Wojo shouldn't have gotten an extension doesn't understand how sports above the high school level work. Even professional coaches are extended when they might not have "earned" it looking at the results, and they aren't even going out recruiting players trying to convince them they should play for them...even though their contract ends before the player's time would finish there.

Have you ever seen him play?

[Pakuni]

Exactly. Everything I've heard is that he wants to be a wing, but like Ed, he's not a high major wing. No thanks.

And yet Arizona, Oregon, Louisville, UCLA, Auburn, Florida, Texas Tech and even Nate Oats at Alabama have reached out to him.
Not bad for Ed Morrow Parr II.

Nolley may or may not be a good fit for MU, but let's not act like he's a mediocre player.

[brewcity77]

And yet Arizona, Oregon, Louisville, UCLA, Auburn, Florida, Texas Tech and even Nate Oats at Alabama have reached out to him.
Not bad for Ed Morrow Parr II.

Nolley may or may not be a good fit for MU, but let's not act like he's a mediocre player.

Fine. Let them have him. I've seen how that movie ends. He might be a fine player, but I think he's a terrible fit for our system. That's enough reason for me to say hard, hard pass.

[Elonsmusk]

A freshman former top 75 recruit who scored 16 ppg in an inefficient way in a high major conference? Absolutely worth a shot in my book. Long, lean, and doesn't have a history of injury.

Also, anyone who thinks Wojo shouldn't have gotten an extension doesn't understand how sports above the high school level work. Even professional coaches are extended when they might not have "earned" it looking at the results, and they aren't even going out recruiting players trying to convince them they should play for them...even though their contract ends before the player's time would finish there.

Question for you:  what assurances do players get that their coach won't leave or get fired from the school they signed up to play for, prior to their 4 years elapsing?

Kids have to sit out a year if they transfer out after a coach leaves or gets fired.

And btw, you really should stop acting like a know it all and expert on all things because you are the genius who promised us Wojo was the goods and would have us tending like Duke under K once he had "his guys."  Need me to re-post that from 2015?

Sink or swim. Wojo has 5 years to deliver the goods. Year 5 ended with an implosion, a divided locker room, and the transfer out of two major contributors. Red flag. You don't extend that.

[MU82]

Well that's fine University-based logic. Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn't deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.

Thankfully, you aren't a university administrator, because you clearly don't understand how these things work, not just at Marquette but at pretty much every school in the nation.

As TAMU said, either you extend him or you fire him. And there wasn't a single school in the United States that would have fired him.

You have some decent basketball knowledge, Nrs, but it's frighteningly bad takes of yours like this one that leave some of us scratching our heads.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Some of the guys we've reached out don't exactly have great resumes. That reeks of desperation.

So because two guys listed us (along with other high major programs) as a school that has talked to him (not offered), we reek of desperation?

Further, wasn't the whole rationale for keeping Wojo around was that he'd bring "stability."  Yet here are in Year 7 with a roster that is currently not constructed very well. Did you really think we'd be reliant on the grad transfer/transfer market in Year 7?

If by reliant, you mean recruiting grad transfers and transfers like every other program in the country, then yes. It is part of college basketball. In addition, yes I've been expecting year 7 to be a down year for years now.

As for extending him again?  Well that's fine University-based logic.

What is your vendetta against universities? You've brought this up a couple of time now.

Hey, even though the guy has underperformed and lost two key cogs in program due to locker room mismanagement - we need to extend him to help recruit. Tough sh$t. Sink or swim time. He didn't deserve either extension and now we are stuck with a guy that is clearly mediocre at best.

First, he hadn't underperformed to that point. Second, I'm of the belief that you either make clean break or you give the coach the all the tools he needs to be successful. You disagree and that's fine.

Next season will be interesting though. You and others have placed expectations so low already. Now that Stan has left who some have claimed is the only reason we have had any success under Wojo, I'd imagine those expectations are even lower. What happens if we do make the tournament next season? Theoretically even making the NIT as high seed would be impressive given how bad you claim the roster is. Of course, I would have though the same this year since many were claiming that we wouldn't make the tournament after losing the Hausers, yet here we are.

[jesmu84]

So because two guys listed us (along with other high major programs) as a school that has talked to him (not offered), we reek of desperation?

If by reliant, you mean recruiting grad transfers and transfers like every other program in the country, then yes. It is part of college basketball. In addition, yes I've been expecting year 7 to be a down year for years now.

What is your vendetta against universities? You've brought this up a couple of time now.

First, he hadn't underperformed to that point. Second, I'm of the belief that you either make clean break or you give the coach the all the tools he needs to be successful. You disagree and that's fine.

Next season will be interesting though. You and others have placed expectations so low already. Now that Stan has left who some have claimed is the only reason we have had any success under Wojo, I'd imagine those expectations are even lower. What happens if we do make the tournament next season? Theoretically even making the NIT as high seed would be impressive given how bad you claim the roster is. Of course, I would have though the same this year since many were claiming that we wouldn't make the tournament after losing the Hausers, yet here we are.

Using logic and reason against them is just unfair. It's quite delicious when it's their own logic though.

[Elonsmusk]

Thankfully, you aren't a university administrator, because you clearly don't understand how these things work, not just at Marquette but at pretty much every school in the nation.

As TAMU said, either you extend him or you fire him. And there wasn't a single school in the United States that would have fired him.

You have some decent basketball knowledge, Nrs, but it's frighteningly bad takes of yours like this one that leave some of us scratching our heads.

Appreciate the tone 82. The first mistake was extending him the first time after the pre-season NIT. No need.

I get the rationale for why you want a coach under contract for 4+ years for recruiting purposes, but, at some point the coach getting paid $2M has to deal with the consequences of their performance. Maybe his job gets harder. Sure. But. Such is life.

Btw - If I were a university admin, we wouldn't be in this purgatory of a place. Wojo would have been gone after Year 2. But the patience crowd won out and look where we are headed into Year 7.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

As TAMU said, either you extend him or you fire him. And there wasn't a single school in the United States that would have fired him.

Using this logic, will Wojo get another extension this year?

[muguru]

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[MU82]

Appreciate the tone 82. The first mistake was extending him the first time after the pre-season NIT. No need.

I get the rationale for why you want a coach under contract for 4+ years for recruiting purposes, but, at some point the coach getting paid $2M has to deal with the consequences of their performance. Maybe his job gets harder. Sure. But. Such is life.

Btw - If I were a university admin, we wouldn't be in this purgatory of a place. Wojo would have been gone after Year 2. But the patience crowd won out and look where we are headed into Year 7.

You would have fired a coach who won 20 games in his second season, had just successfully recruited and coached a 5-star who went on to be drafted in the first round, and had a top-25 class coming in that included Markus Howard and Sam Hauser? Really? Impressive.

[brewcity77]

Using this logic, will Wojo get another extension this year?

I don't know if he will, but there are reasons that he should. It helps recruiting and is the only real way to open up other clauses in the contract to negotiation.

[MU82]

Using this logic, will Wojo get another extension this year?

I don't think so, and I hope not. He has 4 years left on his contract, and next season should be very important as an evaluation tool.

However, after next season, you probably either have to extend him again or fire him.

That's simply how it works now.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I don't think so, and I hope not. He has 4 years left on his contract, and next season should be very important as an evaluation tool.

However, after next season, you probably either have to extend him again or fire him.

That's simply how it works now.

But this is the exact scenario of last year.  How is he supposed to recruit, etc?  If this is as bad as you are portraying, we should fire him now.

[HutchwasClutch]

I don't think so, and I hope not. He has 4 years left on his contract, and next season should be very important as an evaluation tool.

However, after next season, you probably either have to extend him again or fire him.

That's simply how it works now.

Next season, year 7, "should be a very important evaluation tool."

You're kidding right, sarcasm, huh?