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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2020, 01:39:50 PM »
Can't argue with that. Results matter

I did not see the teal (could have missed the implied teal?), but honestly, WTF?  Proven and punished cheater (so the board would not hire him),  currently being sued for sexual harassment and 78 years old.  Give me a break.  Results don't matter enough to hire a guy like that.

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Re: 2020 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2020, 02:22:34 PM »
What good does a top 10 recruiting class do if he can't Coach them up properly?? Although, I have always said, he needs the type of recruiting classes where he can essentially just roll the ball out and tell them to go play so it covers his deficiencies.

Where does all this "top-10 recruiting class" come from? 247Sports ranks MU's class #14 and Rivals.com has us #15. Both rate all three recruits as 4 star PFs. No guards. Good so far, but not exactly Kentucky or Duke territory.

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« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2020, 08:26:57 PM »
Where does all this "top-10 recruiting class" come from? 247Sports ranks MU's class #14 and Rivals.com has us #15. Both rate all three recruits as 4 star PFs. No guards. Good so far, but not exactly Kentucky or Duke territory.

Was top-10 when Garcia committed, likely would be back up there if Mane joins
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« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2020, 09:18:36 PM »

Multiple people I trust have said that Marquette has always been his dream gig.  He went to Thomas More and have had multiple family members involved with the school.  Not sure if that's still the case but there is very much an affinity for Marquette.

TJO has been terrific at two schools now and hardly schools that are easy to win at.  We should be all over it to make him an offer he can’t refuse. Especially if there’s truth to this.

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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2020, 09:28:35 PM »
TJO has been terrific at two schools now and hardly schools that are easy to win at.  We should be all over it to make him an offer he can’t refuse. Especially if there’s truth to this.

A .500 coach getting bounced in his first conference tournament game is "terrific"?

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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2020, 09:34:58 PM »
A .500 coach getting bounced in his first conference tournament game is "terrific"?

Didn’t realize they lost today, but doesn’t change my opinion. They were picked for 7th in conference and tied for 2nd. In his first season there after very good run at that basketball powerhouse SD St. 

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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2020, 10:44:44 PM »

Multiple people I trust have said that Marquette has always been his dream gig.  He went to Thomas More and have had multiple family members involved with the school.  Not sure if that's still the case but there is very much an affinity for Marquette.

Agreed there is an affinity for MU.  My daughter is currently at Thomas More, and my nephew and brother in law attended as well.  I’ve heard positives from any number of people there about TJO and his feelings about Marquette.   

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« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2020, 10:16:25 AM »
Didn’t realize they lost today, but doesn’t change my opinion. They were picked for 7th in conference and tied for 2nd. In his first season there after very good run at that basketball powerhouse SD St.

That's cool. Seems a low bar to clear for "terrific" though.

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« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2020, 04:18:06 PM »
Thinking outside the box, Bob Smelling or Pat Miller? Both are clearly great at X and O coaching and are happy in Wi. Would rather them with a great recruiting assistant (like a Stan type guy) than a flyer on an assistant coach.
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« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2020, 05:56:38 PM »
Thinking outside the box, Bob Smelling or Pat Miller? Both are clearly great at X and O coaching and are happy in Wi. Would rather them with a great recruiting assistant (like a Stan type guy) than a flyer on an assistant coach.

No offense, but I'd be SUPER disappointed if Marquette pursued or ended up with a D3 HC, with no affiliation to Marquette, cause they are in-state already.  Thats an "outside the box" hire you make at  a program like Milwaukee or UWGB, not one with a multi-million dollar budget playing in a top 3 basketball conference.  Pat Miller has more experience with coaching women's golf than he does managing a D1 level coach's responsibilities.

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« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2020, 08:56:46 AM »
No offense, but I'd be SUPER disappointed if Marquette pursued or ended up with a D3 HC, with no affiliation to Marquette, cause they are in-state already.  Thats an "outside the box" hire you make at  a program like Milwaukee or UWGB, not one with a multi-million dollar budget playing in a top 3 basketball conference.  Pat Miller has more experience with coaching women's golf than he does managing a D1 level coach's responsibilities.

Recent guys like Beilein Beard and Bo Ryan make me think the coaching gap isn't as big as people imagine
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« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2020, 09:06:54 AM »
Where does all this "top-10 recruiting class" come from? 247Sports ranks MU's class #14 and Rivals.com has us #15. Both rate all three recruits as 4 star PFs. No guards. Good so far, but not exactly Kentucky or Duke territory.

247 had Garcia 5 star on some parts of the site and 4 star on other parts of same site.

Isn’t the takeaway here the this staff has this team on cusp of another NCAA tournament bid with 3 star guys which should mean the staff is overachieving.  What can they do with even better raw talent?  The staff took a 4/5 star in Howard and he improved to All American level. 
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« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2020, 09:54:48 AM »

Wardle: Experienced. Excited. Educated at MU. Experienced at beating MU. Expecting to come home.
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« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2020, 10:04:16 AM »
Recent guys like Beilein Beard and Bo Ryan make me think the coaching gap isn't as big as people imagine

Beard came from D2, and he was an assistant under Bobby Knight for a decade.  Also went to a low major Little Rock first.

Bo Ryan was a Wisconsin assistant for a decade but also went to a low major and had relative success (for that program) before he got the Wisconsin job.

Beilein made the jump 30 years ago, again from D2, and again to a low major.

Coaching maybe similar, sure, but it’s everything else about it is an insane leap without experience. If Miller or Smelling was a former assistant or Marquette player, I’d understand the conjecture. Otherwise, not for me

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« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2020, 10:12:03 AM »
Beard came from D2, and he was an assistant under Bobby Knight for a decade.  Also went to a low major Little Rock first.

Bo Ryan was a Wisconsin assistant for a decade but also went to a low major after he was caught cheating and had relative success (for that program) before he got the Wisconsin job.

Beilein made the jump 30 years ago, again from D2, and again to a low major.

Coaching maybe similar, sure, but it’s everything else about it is an insane leap without experience. If Miller or Smelling was a former assistant or Marquette player, I’d understand the conjecture. Otherwise, not for me

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« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2020, 10:38:47 AM »
I think the last non-D1 coach to jump straight to a high major position was Kim Anderson at Mizzou. It did not end well.
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« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2020, 10:44:10 AM »
I think the last non-D1 coach to jump straight to a high major position was Kim Anderson at Mizzou. It did not end well.

There ya go, prime example. He had high major assistant experience too, however, he’d been away from D-1 for 15 years by the time he was hired. I think that played a big role.

Beard, for example, had only 5 years between leaving TTU and coming back to TTU

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« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2020, 04:41:56 PM »
Not at all an advocate for him getting the MU job, but Wardle is now a victory over a team from the bottom half of a weak MVC away from his second consecutive tourney bid.  3-1 combined on the year vs Valpo/Missouri St.  Impressive given what a mess Geno Ford left in Peoria.  If I'm his agent, my fingers are itching to start making some calls if they cut down the nets again tomorrow.  Though not sure what jobs would open up that he'd be a candidate for.  Honestly feel like he'd be a great fit at DePaul but DL probably has another year.

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« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2020, 05:29:14 PM »
Not at all an advocate for him getting the MU job, but Wardle is now a victory over a team from the bottom half of a weak MVC away from his second consecutive tourney bid.  3-1 combined on the year vs Valpo/Missouri St.  Impressive given what a mess Geno Ford left in Peoria.  If I'm his agent, my fingers are itching to start making some calls if they cut down the nets again tomorrow.  Though not sure what jobs would open up that he'd be a candidate for.  Honestly feel like he'd be a great fit at DePaul but DL probably has another year.
He’s been at Bradley for 5 years. Bradley finished 5th last year in MVC before winning the MVC tournament to get a bid. He also went 0-4 this year against Northern Iowa and Loyola.

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« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2020, 05:51:06 PM »
He’s been at Bradley for 5 years. Bradley finished 5th last year in MVC before winning the MVC tournament to get a bid. He also went 0-4 this year against Northern Iowa and Loyola.

Again, he’s not my choice and I don’t think he’s a perfect candidate, just credit where credit is due.  It would be the 3rd tourney appearance for Bradley in 25 years, not exactly an easy place to win.

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« Reply #70 on: March 07, 2020, 05:52:25 PM »
He’s been at Bradley for 5 years. Bradley finished 5th last year in MVC before winning the MVC tournament to get a bid. He also went 0-4 this year against Northern Iowa and Loyola.

And let's also be fair...the ONLY reason he is playing for a MVC title again is because both the above mentioned teams got knocked out.
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« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2020, 06:01:57 PM »
He’s been at Bradley for 5 years. Bradley finished 5th last year in MVC before winning the MVC tournament to get a bid. He also went 0-4 this year against Northern Iowa and Loyola.
And Wojo has been at MU for 6 years and hasn't done squat unless you count the last 2 years extreme meltdowns at season's end. So we know his MO very well.
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« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2020, 06:04:29 PM »
For the record count me in as a no Wardle guy, hey?
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« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2020, 06:06:38 PM »
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Count me in as a no Wardle guy as well. I literally cannot believe that his name would even be mentioned.

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« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2020, 06:10:14 PM »
Are you high?    Pointers are not even that high on smelling as a diiii coach.  You think he’s a way Wojo replacement - that’s rich.   


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