If Wojo left the program today...

[Pakuni]

Any y'all got bigger fish ta fry, hey?

The fishing thread is over in the Superbar.

[21rooster]

Again, has anyone here suggested that fans do so?

The presumption from the initial post is that some of those booing may be on this board or, at a minimum, may end up sitting next to people on this board.  Since they obviously seem to be passionate about MU hoops, I figured this would be a good place to comment. 

[Silent Verbal]

Thrilled we won

Sure you were.  Anyway, I'm glad the "our fans are entitled arseholes" straw man you started has picked up steam.  It's very similar to last year's "people are rooting against Marquette" narrative.  Just more BS to distract from what's actually happening on the court.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Sure you were.  Anyway, I'm glad the "our fans are entitled arseholes" straw man you started has picked up steam.  It's very similar to last year's "people are rooting against Marquette" narrative.  Just more BS to distract from what's actually happening on the court.

Yep. Cheeken Little bloviating in the wind.

[Uncle Rico]

It would be nice if we heard ANYTHING from the administration.  Two starters walkout the door following an utter collapse to end the season and no one above Wojo has a comment.  That shows an indifference to the fans, alums, donors and STH's.   

What would you have liked them to say?  Serious question.  Putting the coach on notice publicly to appease a segment of the fan base and alumni would be pretty stupid, imo

[5DollarPitcher]

Sure you were.  Anyway, I'm glad the "our fans are entitled arseholes" straw man you started has picked up steam.  It's very similar to last year's "people are rooting against Marquette" narrative.  Just more BS to distract from what's actually happening on the court.

Anyone who is dissatisfied with the current state of MU Hoops is an entitled arsehole who cheers against the team. And they hate puppies.
-Tower,Wades,Cheeks,etc

[Cheeks]

Sure you were.  Anyway, I'm glad the "our fans are entitled arseholes" straw man you started has picked up steam.  It's very similar to last year's "people are rooting against Marquette" narrative.  Just more BS to distract from what's actually happening on the court.

Go back and check the posts from that day....ask my work associates....ask a dear friend at Fox is a VP and a Davidson graduate....but hey, why mess with your agenda.

Some of our fans are arseholes....there is a reason we have the reputation we do.  I'm sorry that ruffles your Golden Eagle feathers.

[Cheeks]

Yep. Cheeken Little bloviating in the wind.

What has "actually" happened on the court other than we would be in the NCAA tournament if it started today.  What am I distracting from?

LOL

[Uncle Rico]

Anyone who is dissatisfied with the current state of MU Hoops is an entitled arsehole who cheers against the team. And they hate puppies.
-Tower,Wades,Cheeks,etc

It isn't fair to lump all NoJos as entitled.  There is certainly a segment of the fan base/alums that think Al McGuire Marquette is the expectation/norm not the outlier despite history saying otherwise.

Wojo gets dumped on as much as Crean and Buzz did.  Probably more.  They all have one thing in common and it's they aren't Al McGuire. 

[5DollarPitcher]

What has "actually" happened on the court other than we would be in the NCAA tournament if it started today.  What am I distracting from?

LOL

That's just the thing. What has happened on the court? I'm not sure. What has happened on the court during Wojo's tenure (minus one day in January 2017) that anyone will remember even 5 years from today?

[curbina]

Chico,

Why do you enjoying "stirring the pot"?

[dinger]

Let's say they win 3 of the next 4, win one or maybe two in NYC, and then win one tournament game and lose one.  I think that falls in line with everybody's expectations heading into the season.   And then ask yourself, how many programs are firing a coach after making the tourney 3/4 years (with decent seeds) and a solid conference record?

1) I am not sure that falls in line with expectations - in Tower's preseason poll https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0, 57% had us winning 24 games in the reg season so at least a good deal of Scoopers would feel underwhelmed by a bit
2) We aren't going to fire him in that or almost any other scenario BUT looking at the article I posted earlier there will be at least 1 or 2 coaches fired this year with better resumes than Wojo
3) 1 vs 0 NCAA wins still doesn't change the overall resume that it is neither spectacular nor unspectacular

[LAZER]

1) I am not sure that falls in line with expectations - in Tower's preseason poll https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59180.0, 57% had us winning 24 games in the reg season so at least a good deal of Scoopers would feel underwhelmed by a bit
2) We aren't going to fire him in that or almost any other scenario BUT looking at the article I posted earlier there will be at least 1 or 2 coaches fired this year with better resumes than Wojo
3) 1 vs 0 NCAA wins still doesn't change the overall resume that it is neither spectacular nor unspectacular

If they finish with wins in 3/4, the win total will be short of 24, but they'll be in comfortably - so it's at least close to expectations, but I don't think many pegged this team as a real solid S16 contender.  Also, who are the coaches you're referencing?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

By saying this you're implying that the next rung up the ladder for Wojo is perennial Top 10 team. Disingenuous to say the least.

There is a canyon of success between what Wojo has done and perennial Top 10 team.

Marquette spent most of last season in the top 25, and while we haven't been ranked much this year, we've pretty obviously been a top 30 or so team.  So while I think there is a pretty big gap between backend top 25 and a perennial top 10 team, Marquette has mostly been a pretty good (but flawed) team the last 2 seasons.  Yet here we are - with a significant portion of the fan base with pitchforks calling for the coaches head. Sounds pretty entitled to me.   

[5DollarPitcher]

Marquette spent most of last season in the top 25, and while we haven't been ranked much this year, we've pretty obviously been a top 30 or so team.  So while I think there is a pretty big gap between backend top 25 and a perennial top 10 team, Marquette has mostly been a pretty good (but flawed) team the last 2 seasons.  Yet here we are - with a significant portion of the fan base with pitchforks calling for the coaches head. Sounds pretty entitled to me.

J5 - it is an absolute canyon. If there were MU fans expecting perennial Top 10, I would agree that is entitled and out of touch with reality.

Another symptom of ProJos that I've noticed through your post: they love to capture the brief high points of Wojo's tenure and extrapolate them as if they represent his entire tenure. Sure - we were ranked for several weeks last year and Top 15 for about 2 weeks. But did we end there? Have we been there any other season? Have we ever shown that kind of success consistently? Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding "no".

I would be able to stomach Wojo if we were consistently (60-70% of the time) ranked 15-25. Which would inevitably lead to high enough seeds that we would be favored or a push to go to the Sweet 16. Those are my expectations for the program in the long-term.

But that's not what he's built. You and the other ProJos need to stop purporting that as fact.

[MU82]

J5 - it is an absolute canyon. If there were MU fans expecting perennial Top 10, I would agree that is entitled and out of touch with reality.

Another symptom of ProJos that I've noticed through your post: they love to capture the brief high points of Wojo's tenure and extrapolate them as if they represent his entire tenure. Sure - we were ranked for several weeks last year and Top 15 for about 2 weeks. But did we end there? Have we been there any other season? Have we ever shown that kind of success consistently? Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding "no".

I would be able to stomach Wojo if we were consistently (60-70% of the time) ranked 15-25. Which would inevitably lead to high enough seeds that we would be favored or a push to go to the Sweet 16. Those are my expectations for the program in the long-term.

But that's not what he's built. You and the other ProJos need to stop purporting that as fact.

You make some good points IMHO and some less-good points. Cool. We all do.

However, you also do here exactly what you accuse Projos of doing when you say:

Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding "no".

Last season, pollsters ranked us for the first time after we beat Wisconsin, putting us at 20. We then "rewarded" them by winning 11 of our next 12 games. They, in turn, "rewarded" us by gradually moving us up -- to 18, 16, 15, 12, 10. Each time they moved us up, we "rewarded" them again by winning more.

Not only did you refuse to acknowledge this mutual "rewarding," but you explicitly said it didn't happen.

Otherwise, yes, Wojo hasn't won as much as most of us wish he would have. Most Projos I have had discussions with would agree with that ... while also saying we wouldn't have fired him for his results so far.

[#UnleashSean]

I'll add, since Mack left Xavier, there's a pretty wide open window for another program to jump up in the conference pecking order and establish itself behind Villanova. At times the past two seasons, it seemed like MU could be that program. Unfortunately, it also looks increasingly likely it will be another missed opportunity.

I remember when this new big east was formed and Marquette was a flagship program of it.

[Galway Eagle]

I remember when this new big east was formed and Marquette was a flagship program of it.

Those were the days. But just to clarify, it was Buzz that knocked us off that pedestal, not Wojo.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

J5 - it is an absolute canyon. If there were MU fans expecting perennial Top 10, I would agree that is entitled and out of touch with reality.

Another symptom of ProJos that I've noticed through your post: they love to capture the brief high points of Wojo's tenure and extrapolate them as if they represent his entire tenure. Sure - we were ranked for several weeks last year and Top 15 for about 2 weeks. But did we end there? Have we been there any other season? Have we ever shown that kind of success consistently? Have we ever rewarded the pollsters for moving us up or into the rankings? The answer has been a resounding "no".

I would be able to stomach Wojo if we were consistently (60-70% of the time) ranked 15-25. Which would inevitably lead to high enough seeds that we would be favored or a push to go to the Sweet 16. Those are my expectations for the program in the long-term.

But that's not what he's built. You and the other ProJos need to stop purporting that as fact.

Curious - how long have you been a Marquette fan? What year did you graduate?

[JakeBarnes]

I haven't seen anyone encourage booing (well, maybe a couple wacko posters in other threads), but certainly there has been reports of booing.  I think the idea to was spread the message that it's stoopid, a big recruit will be in the arena, and you shouldn't do it.  Spread it around...

[5DollarPitcher]

Curious - how long have you been a Marquette fan? What year did you graduate?

Graduated during the early Wojo days. Born and raised in the city and parents went so cheering since birth.

[hairy worthen]

Curious - how long have you been a Marquette fan? What year did you graduate?

Not sure you know, but you do not have to be a MU grad to be a MU basketball fan

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Not sure you know, but you do not have to be a MU grad to be a MU basketball fan

Sure, but I asked how long he had been a fan as well. I would think that encapsulates non grad fans.

Graduated during the early Wojo days. Born and raised in the city and parents went so cheering since birth.

Gotcha.

[lurch91]

Graduated during the early Wojo days. Born and raised in the city and parents went so cheering since birth.

The true dark days of Marquette basketball, no NCAA wins.... did you boycott the NIT games at the AL in protest?

[The Lens]

What would you have liked them to say?  Serious question.  Putting the coach on notice publicly to appease a segment of the fan base and alumni would be pretty stupid, imo

"We all understand that Marquette fans have come to expect a certain amount of NCAA expectations AND we know that the money we invest in the program is unprecedented in our conference; that being said we see the inner workings and we know Steve and his staff are best positioned to deliver on this success"

Just acknowledge that there are expectations bc honestly it feels like there aren't any.