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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #100 on: February 18, 2020, 03:24:38 PM »
Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2020, 03:04:08 PM
Good stats, Pak. Thanks.

Men's soccer - which has some big, popular programs - has big-time transfer numbers.

It's amazing all those programs haven't had to be shut down because, well, you know.

SMU landed 16 transfers last year in football and made the Top 25.  Many came from power conferences. 

https://247sports.com/college/smu/LongFormArticle/Shane-Buechele-Richard-McBryde-Thomas-Shelmire-Kedrick-James-Chevin-Calloway-CamRon-Jones-SMU-Mustangs-college-football-transfers-new-players-134499064/
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #101 on: February 18, 2020, 03:26:37 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
SMU landed 16 transfers last year in football and made the Top 25.  Many came from power conferences. 

https://247sports.com/college/smu/LongFormArticle/Shane-Buechele-Richard-McBryde-Thomas-Shelmire-Kedrick-James-Chevin-Calloway-CamRon-Jones-SMU-Mustangs-college-football-transfers-new-players-134499064/

Yep. Rather than destroying non-major programs, transfers benefit them.
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #102 on: February 18, 2020, 03:39:57 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
SMU landed 16 transfers last year in football and made the Top 25.  Many came from power conferences. 

https://247sports.com/college/smu/LongFormArticle/Shane-Buechele-Richard-McBryde-Thomas-Shelmire-Kedrick-James-Chevin-Calloway-CamRon-Jones-SMU-Mustangs-college-football-transfers-new-players-134499064/

UCLA has had massive transfers in the last three years that has hurt their ability.  75+ transfers through last year alone. 

We can play this game all day...it isn’t a zero sum game. Happy to provide other examples and have on the basketball side where mid-majors have lost 3 or 4 kids in one year and decimated a program.

 
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #103 on: February 18, 2020, 03:40:17 PM »
Quote from: Pakuni on February 18, 2020, 03:26:37 PM
Yep. Rather than destroying non-major programs, transfers benefit them.

Additional freedom of movement, as enjoyed by athletes in all but 5 sports as well as the rest of every school's students, will be an even bigger benefit.
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #104 on: February 18, 2020, 03:50:26 PM »
Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Additional freedom of movement, as enjoyed by athletes in all but 5 sports as well as the rest of every school's students, will be an even bigger benefit.

Completely agree.  Schools that have problems losing players will have to look long and hard about why.  We can play this game all day but at the end of the day, you’ll have to figure out why. 
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #105 on: February 18, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on February 18, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
UCLA has had massive transfers in the last three years that has hurt their ability.  75+ transfers through last year alone. 

We can play this game all day...it isn’t a zero sum game. Happy to provide other examples and have on the basketball side where mid-majors have lost 3 or 4 kids in one year and decimated a program.
How many sports did UCLA have to shut down because of this?
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #106 on: February 18, 2020, 03:53:32 PM »
Poaching Problem: Mid-major college basketball teams fight 'slimy' recruiting from bigger schools.  This is before free agency....just imagine

https://www.standard.net/sports/poaching-problem-mid-major-college-basketball-teams-fight-slimy-recruiting/article_75743b06-dd99-596f-a298-4551f0d2b6ea.html

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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #107 on: February 18, 2020, 03:54:41 PM »
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #108 on: February 18, 2020, 03:55:12 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on February 18, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
Poaching Problem: Mid-major college basketball teams fight 'slimy' recruiting from bigger schools.  This is before free agency....just imagine

https://www.standard.net/sports/poaching-problem-mid-major-college-basketball-teams-fight-slimy-recruiting/article_75743b06-dd99-596f-a298-4551f0d2b6ea.html

I don’t believe the media
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #109 on: February 18, 2020, 04:00:48 PM »
6 Mid-Majors have made the Final 4 since 2010.  Take a gander at how many made the Final 4 before 2010
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #110 on: February 18, 2020, 04:07:44 PM »
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #111 on: February 18, 2020, 04:12:22 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2020, 03:50:26 PM
Completely agree.  Schools that have problems losing players will have to look long and hard about why.  We can play this game all day but at the end of the day, you’ll have to figure out why.

Weather, girls, uniforms, not paying under the table, not coddling to 18 year olds, etc etc.   All kinds of reasons, real and superficial why kids leave.

I predict the 800 or so transfers that happen now will explode even further to 1400 or more.  The age of not getting your way and rewarding tantrums....going to be awesome.
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #112 on: February 18, 2020, 04:13:10 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2020, 03:55:12 PM
I don’t believe the media


Journalists are never wrong
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #113 on: February 18, 2020, 04:15:02 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
6 Mid-Majors have made the Final 4 since 2010.  Take a gander at how many made the Final 4 before 2010

Crapshoot

You realize when MU made it in 2003 we were labeled as a mid major by some publications.  Define midmajor.

Free agency will change the future fundamentally for mid majors.
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #114 on: February 18, 2020, 04:15:31 PM »
Quote from: Pakuni on February 18, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
Which of these programs moved down a level or quit altogether?

Has free agency started yet?  That’s what I thought. 
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #115 on: February 18, 2020, 04:29:34 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on February 18, 2020, 04:12:22 PM
Weather, girls, uniforms, not paying under the table, not coddling to 18 year olds, etc etc.   All kinds of reasons, real and superficial why kids leave.

I predict the 800 or so transfers that happen now will explode even further to 1400 or more.  The age of not getting your way and rewarding tantrums....going to be awesome.

Like the song said - “It’s the end of the world as we know it.........and I feel fine!”
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #116 on: February 18, 2020, 04:32:24 PM »
FFS Cheeks, in how many topics are you going to debate this?  Everyone knows your point of view.  Just because people disagree with it, doesn't mean you have to respond every...f*cking...time...
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #117 on: February 18, 2020, 04:41:10 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on February 18, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
Crapshoot

You realize when MU made it in 2003 we were labeled as a mid major by some publications.  Define midmajor.

Free agency will change the future fundamentally for mid majors.

And low-majors and power conferences.  What won’t change?  The number of division 1 schools or number of lower level schools trying to get to that level.

The system is STACKED against them today, was yesterday and will be tomorrow.  And they ain’t gonna stop trying because the student athletes have the ability to transfer once without sitting out.
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #118 on: February 18, 2020, 04:41:55 PM »
Its getting sickening, this idiot posting and taking over every thread  !! !   I have him on IGNORE and I still see his posts when he gets "quoted" everywhere.... Very frustrating ! ! !     Makes this site suck....  Im sorry just my little opinion ! ! !  8-)
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #119 on: February 18, 2020, 04:43:25 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on February 18, 2020, 04:15:31 PM
Has free agency started yet?  That’s what I thought.

Can we talk about all the mid-majors that have benefited as a result of transfers?
Like the Loyola team that made the Final Four with a transfer leading the way?
Or the San Diego State team  currently ranked in the top 5, with two of its three leading scorers being transfers from P6 schools?
Or the Nevada team that made the Sweet 16 in 2018 thanks to four transfers from P6 programs?

And since you mention Marquette in 2003, didn't that team benefit greatly as a result of a transfer from a bigger conference?
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #120 on: February 18, 2020, 04:53:51 PM »
Quote from: Pakuni on February 18, 2020, 04:43:25 PM
Can we talk about all the mid-majors that have benefited as a result of transfers?
Like the Loyola team that made the Final Four with a transfer leading the way?
Or the San Diego State team  currently ranked in the top 5, with two of its three leading scorers being transfers from P6 schools?
Or the Nevada team that made the Sweet 16 in 2018 thanks to four transfers from P6 programs?

And since you mention Marquette in 2003, didn't that team benefit greatly as a result of a transfer from a bigger conference?

Dontcha know?  Kids won’t transfer down ever anymore.  Especially with it being easier for them to go somewhere and get more playing time.  It’s ludicrous to think that will happen anymore
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #121 on: February 18, 2020, 05:00:08 PM »
Traci Carter, Haanif Cheatham, Odartey, Amo, Karon, Deonte, Dawson, the list goes on.   Transfers go both ways.
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #122 on: February 18, 2020, 05:01:42 PM »
Quote from: guzica on February 18, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Its getting sickening, this idiot posting and taking over every thread  !! !   I have him on IGNORE and I still see his posts when he gets "quoted" everywhere.... Very frustrating ! ! !     Makes this site suck....  Im sorry just my little opinion ! ! !  8-)

Every thread....good lord can you be more dramatic.  I’m just answering the posts that are here.  Nothing more
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #123 on: February 18, 2020, 05:02:47 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
And low-majors and power conferences.  What won’t change?  The number of division 1 schools or number of lower level schools trying to get to that level.

The system is STACKED against them today, was yesterday and will be tomorrow.  And they ain’t gonna stop trying because the student athletes have the ability to transfer once without sitting out.

Yes....and it only gets worse which is what I am saying.  Stacked becomes more stacked.  Further consolidation of power, wealth and control
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Re: Some additional positive press for the Big East
« Reply #124 on: February 18, 2020, 05:10:50 PM »
Quote from: Cheeks on February 18, 2020, 05:02:47 PM
Yes....and it only gets worse which is what I am saying.  Stacked becomes more stacked.  Further consolidation of power, wealth and control

The rich get richer every year.  The gap gets bigger every year regardless of doing what is best for the student athlete. 
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