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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: lawdog77 on February 14, 2020, 01:13:18 PM
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https://theundefeated.com/features/big-east-leads-the-way-in-hiring-black-mens-basketball-head-coaches/
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I'd be interested to see similar numbers for assistants. While Wojo obviously isn't one of the 5, we do have both Stan and Dwayne on the sidelines as well, and have helped advance the careers of guys like Justin Gainey and Danny Madhavapallil (minority, not black).
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Are there any Asian head basketball coaches in D1? Serious question.
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I'd be interested to see similar numbers for assistants. While Wojo obviously isn't one of the 5, we do have both Stan and Dwayne on the sidelines as well, and have helped advance the careers of guys like Justin Gainey and Danny Madhavapallil (minority, not black).
Carrawell too. He interviewed for a head coach spot and I'd consider the Duke role an advancement.
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Are there any Asian head basketball coaches in D1? Serious question.
http://asiancoachesassociation.com/about/
Obviously, Spoelstra in the NBA.
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http://asiancoachesassociation.com/about/
Obviously, Spoelstra in the NBA.
Yes, but NCAA is my question.
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Yes, but NCAA is my question.
The link provides you the answer you seek. Todd Golden, Israel.
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Are there any Asian head basketball coaches in D1? Serious question.
U are truly an idiot
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Such a silly thing to take credit for. It’s not like this was intentional or coordinated by the league / we’re doing anything better than other leagues. It is just a coincidence.
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U are truly an idiot
Angus beef....it’s what is for dinner, eh?
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Are there any Asian head basketball coaches in D1? Serious question.
Are there any transgender mongolians coaching? Serious
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Are there any transgender mongolians coaching? Serious
I don’t know, but it sure would be great to make sure every box is checked because that’s what is most important and will give the Big East positive press...and if he or she can breakdown a 2-3 zone then let’s replace Wojo.
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It is just a coincidence.
Is it? Are large state schools (especially ones in smaller towns) willing to hire minority coaches? The Big 10 (14) has 1? Look what happened at Indiana. Davis went to a Final Four and was quickly run out.
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Is it? Are large state schools (especially ones in smaller towns) willing to hire minority coaches? The Big 10 (14) has 1? Look what happened at Indiana. Davis went to a Final Four and was quickly run out.
Davis went to a Final Four with Knight’s players and admitted years later he was in over his head. Just as African American Rick Majerus wasn’t ready at MU
Some coaches get thrust into positions they simply aren’t ready for at the time.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-07-26/college-basketball-mike-davis-admits-he-wasnt-ready-indiana
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Davis went to a Final Four with Knight’s players and admitted years later he was in over his head. Just as African American Rick Majerus wasn’t ready at MU
Some coaches get thrust into positions they simply aren’t ready for at the time.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-07-26/college-basketball-mike-davis-admits-he-wasnt-ready-indiana
But aren't you the one who says we should be patient and let coaches grow because like Majerus they could get better?
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But aren't you the one who says we should be patient and let coaches grow because like Majerus they could get better?
Absolutely....but our esteemed fan base didn’t have the patience then just as they don’t now. Read Majerus’ book, pretty clear he was frustrated with the fans, administration, etc....and it drove him to leave. Maybe with more patience he becomes the coach he did while still at MU....unfortunately he didn’t. I hope we don’t make further mistakes and drive people away.
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The link provides you the answer you seek. Todd Golden, Israel.
Todd (a friend) is Jewish and got Israeli citizenship when he played there (Like Travis is Italy) but is not actually from Israel, but rather Arizona.
There are some Asian-American assistants (one is a friend who started the Asian Coaches Association) but with so few Asian players having come through college hoops there isn’t a pool from which to hire.
Has MU ever had a minority head coach in any sport? Curious.
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Todd (a friend) is Jewish and got Israeli citizenship when he played there (Like Travis is Italy) but is not actually from Israel, but rather Arizona.
There are some Asian-American assistants (one is a friend who started the Asian Coaches Association) but with so few Asian players having come through college hoops there isn’t a pool from which to hire.
Has MU ever had a minority head coach in any sport? Curious.
I have to ask....why does being a former player have to dictate whether they are material to coach?
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FBM: "Neat story. Wonder how Cheeks will passive aggresively minimize this?"
<reads entire thread>
FBM: <chef's kiss>
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Are there any transgender mongolians coaching? Serious
Pretty sure Crean is now in da SEC, aina?
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I have to ask....why does being a former player have to dictate whether they are material to coach?
Ask those in hiring. It’s not a requirement but the main avenue for people to get into coaching, which includes playing in HS. Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place (sports in general are often frowned upon) which leads to a limited number of candidates for jobs.
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Ask those in hiring. It’s not a requirement but the main avenue for people to get into coaching, which includes playing in HS. Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place (sports in general are often frowned upon) which leads to a limited number of candidates for jobs.
It depends. I live in a city where Asians dominate. A few years ago my son’s volleyball team won the So. Cal championships and later finished second in state. Every kid was Asian except my son and one other. The baseball team just won state last year. Etc. No doubt there are cultural differences, but sports is important for many Asians.
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Todd (a friend) is Jewish and got Israeli citizenship when he played there (Like Travis is Italy) but is not actually from Israel, but rather Arizona.
There are some Asian-American assistants (one is a friend who started the Asian Coaches Association) but with so few Asian players having come through college hoops there isn’t a pool from which to hire.
Has MU ever had a minority head coach in any sport? Curious.
If everyone in sports is a friend u must know chicos?
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It depends. I live in a city where Asians dominate. A few years ago my son’s volleyball team won the So. Cal championships and later finished second in state. Every kid was Asian except my son and one other. The baseball team just won state last year. Etc. No doubt there are cultural differences, but sports is important for many Asians.
I will ask it again, do u honestly think anyone on this board believes a single word that you type?
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I want the Big East to field the best coaches possible.
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If everyone in sports is a friend u must know chicos?
Met him in 2003, the only time.
Not sports, but I had a chance to be coworkers with these two individuals.
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Todd (a friend) is Jewish and got Israeli citizenship when he played there (Like Travis is Italy) but is not actually from Israel, but rather Arizona.
There are some Asian-American assistants (one is a friend who started the Asian Coaches Association) but with so few Asian players having come through college hoops there isn’t a pool from which to hire.
Has MU ever had a minority head coach in any sport? Curious.
So he is an Asian American. TY
Btw, not a bad choice for MU if Wojo left.
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I will ask it again, do u honestly think anyone on this board believes a single word that you type?
Would you like a photograph of the team championship to prove you wrong? Lol. Happy to do to prove you wrong again.
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It's funny how many people look at color. Some will like the story.
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If everyone in sports is a friend u must know chicos?
Billy and I met in New Orleans at the Final Four. If everyone in insurance and Angus beef is a friend, you must know know the burger boys.
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It's funny how many people look at color. Some will like the story.
Why is it funny?
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It's funny how many people look at color. Some will like the story.
Why would only some like the story?
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Such a silly thing to take credit for. It’s not like this was intentional or coordinated by the league / we’re doing anything better than other leagues. It is just a coincidence.
I don't think it is. As Stu Jackson pointed out in the article, BE schools being in urban areas has a lot to do with it historically.
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I don't think it is. As Stu Jackson pointed out in the article, BE schools being in urban areas has a lot to do with it historically.
I agree with this. I don't think it's coincidence that Big East schools are primarily in majority minority communities, while leagues like the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac-12 largely operate in more rural communities. In addition, I think there's likely more of an urban fan appeal for the Big East because of those locations than there is in leagues where they are looking to appeal statewide.
That isn't to say it is a cognizant choice to not hire minorities in those other leagues, but that it is a cognizant choice among Big East schools to make sure minorities are part of the interview process (such as Cuonzo interviewing at Marquette).
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I agree with this. I don't think it's coincidence that Big East schools are primarily in majority minority communities, while leagues like the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac-12 largely operate in more rural communities. In addition, I think there's likely more of an urban fan appeal for the Big East because of those locations than there is in leagues where they are looking to appeal statewide.
That isn't to say it is a cognizant choice to not hire minorities in those other leagues, but that it is a cognizant choice among Big East schools to make sure minorities are part of the interview process (such as Cuonzo interviewing at Marquette).
I’d be fascinated to see UW-Madison hire an African-American coach that completely revamped how and who they recruited. Fascinated, I say
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I agree with this. I don't think it's coincidence that Big East schools are primarily in majority minority communities, while leagues like the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac-12 largely operate in more rural communities. In addition, I think there's likely more of an urban fan appeal for the Big East because of those locations than there is in leagues where they are looking to appeal statewide.
That isn't to say it is a cognizant choice to not hire minorities in those other leagues, but that it is a cognizant choice among Big East schools to make sure minorities are part of the interview process (such as Cuonzo interviewing at Marquette).
Only one problem with this history....many of the Big East schools when they were founded 100+ years ago were not in minority communities...MU being a classic example of this. Neighborhoods change, the campuses rarely move.
I’ll repeat, I hope the Big East hires the best coaches they can get....if that means they are Asian, Hispanic, African American, African Canadian, African German, Caucasian, or whatever other identity game people play...doesn’t matter. Meritocracy.
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It depends. I live in a city where Asians dominate. A few years ago my son’s volleyball team won the So. Cal championships and later finished second in state. Every kid was Asian except my son and one other. The baseball team just won state last year. Etc. No doubt there are cultural differences, but sports is important for many Asians.
I became more enlightened today, and culturally educated. Thank you for your continued contributions to Scoop, and society in general. You are a true pioneer, and have inspired a new signature.
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Only one problem with this history....many of the Big East schools when they were founded 100+ years ago were not in minority communities...MU being a classic example of this. Neighborhoods change, the campuses rarely move.
LOL. I'm pretty sure brew is appropriately limiting his history to the modern era of college basketball. Not the founding of the institution.
I’ll repeat, I hope the Big East hires the best coaches they can get....if that means they are Asian, Hispanic, African American, African Canadian, African German, Caucasian, or whatever other identity game people play...doesn’t matter. Meritocracy.
Yep. I hope so too. I also hope that the BE continues to give opportunities to minorities that haven't always had the opportunity to attain such positions.
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Met him in 2003, the only time.
Not sports, but I had a chance to be coworkers with these two individuals.
Lemme guess u work for Dish?? U prolly own the company too right?
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I became more enlightened today, and culturally educated. Thank you for your continued contributions to Scoop, and society in general. You are a true pioneer, and have inspired a new signature.
His comments "Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place (sports in general are often frowned upon) which leads to a limited number of candidates for jobs" were not accurate. One needs to look at Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin and others to how "big" it can be or is. Now, I do agree that sports can be frowned upon by some in the Asian community....we see it in our community which is close to 70% Asian....but I generally find it to be more with 60+ year olds in the community.
Out here in So. Cal we have Asian basketball leagues in which ONLY Asians can play. Asian basketball has been a big part of So Cal sports for more than 100 years.....you read that right.
I think Brew meant well, but I can tell you in this part of the country Asians are huge fans of basketball and very active participants. Most of my team at work is Asian and most are women....I would say 60% of them played Asian hoops at one point and most of their kids do today.
Here....get educated https://www.kcet.org/history-society/masculinity-femininity-and-asian-american-basketball-in-20th-century-california
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Lemme guess u work for Dish?? U prolly own the company too right?
My God are you an idiot. He's already told you he has a law degree and works in D1 athletics.
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Only one problem with this history....many of the Big East schools when they were founded 100+ years ago were not in minority communities...MU being a classic example of this. Neighborhoods change, the campuses rarely move.
This is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is those communities now. Who gives a crap about the makeup of the Avenues West community 100+ years ago? ;D
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This is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is those communities now. Who gives a crap about the makeup of the Avenues West community 100+ years ago? ;D
My point was these urban schools were built a long time ago and they were not built in minority areas. They became minority areas over time.
You said it isn’t a coincidence that Big East schools are in majority minority areas. Well, actually it is a coincidence because when they were built they were not minority areas at all. So yeah, it matters because your statement was plain wrong just as it is about Asian Americans and basketball.
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I’d be fascinated to see UW-Madison hire an African-American coach that completely revamped how and who they recruited. Fascinated, I say
not sure if this is what you're looking for, but bucky had an african-american coach -bill cofield-1976-1982
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cofield
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My point was these urban schools were built a long time ago and they were not built in minority areas. They became minority areas over time.
You said it isn’t a coincidence that Big East schools are in majority minority areas. Well, actually it is a coincidence because when they were built they were not minority areas at all. So yeah, it matters because your statement was plain wrong just as it is about Asian Americans and basketball.
You aren't really this thick, are you? I mean...really? Really?
<<Massive sigh>>
We are talking about today's hiring practices and the hires made considering the geographical makeup of those areas today. So the neighborhoods that grew around locations like Providence, St. John's in Jamaica, and DePaul is what influences hires that were made in the past 10-15 years.
No one cares about who turned the spade when they broke ground. That has no relevance. Please, try not to be so obtuse. Just because you are busting your ass to push the angle past 180 doesn't mean your thinking is becoming narrow or focused.
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not sure if this is what you're looking for, but bucky had an african-american coach -bill cofield-1976-1982
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cofield
And Stu Jackson
Jackson was hired to kick start basketball like Alvarez did football. It wasn’t a good match. Nothing to do with race, just that Stu was an NBA guy who went right back as soon as he could. But he did amp up the recruiting.
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All of this about majority/minority areas and urban schools is correct. However, maybe 20 or so years ago, there was a movement afoot to move Marquette and Marquette High to the burbs. MU considered a move to the area where Concordia is now located—which had done the same thing. To the credit of the Jesuits, the decision was to stay urban within the heart of the city so as not to abandon the neighborhoods. The point is there was a decision to stay put and minister to the neighbors as well as educating college students.
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His comments "Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place (sports in general are often frowned upon) which leads to a limited number of candidates for jobs" were not accurate. One needs to look at Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin and others to how "big" it can be or is. Now, I do agree that sports can be frowned upon by some in the Asian community....we see it in our community which is close to 70% Asian....but I generally find it to be more with 60+ year olds in the community.
Out here in So. Cal we have Asian basketball leagues in which ONLY Asians can play. Asian basketball has been a big part of So Cal sports for more than 100 years.....you read that right.
I think Brew meant well, but I can tell you in this part of the country Asians are huge fans of basketball and very active participants. Most of my team at work is Asian and most are women....I would say 60% of them played Asian hoops at one point and most of their kids do today.
Here....get educated https://www.kcet.org/history-society/masculinity-femininity-and-asian-american-basketball-in-20th-century-california
I live in LA and have never seen an Asian only league. Maybe in your hood but I have never seen it. More importantly, who cares?
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All of this about majority/minority areas and urban schools is correct. However, maybe 20 or so years ago, there was a movement afoot to move Marquette and Marquette High to the burbs. MU considered a move to the area where Concordia is now located—which had done the same thing. To the credit of the Jesuits, the decision was to stay urban within the heart of the city so as not to abandon the neighborhoods. The point is there was a decision to stay put and minister to the neighbors as well as educating college students.
Terrible mistake. Shoulda bolted like Concordia did. Enrollment woulda bin thrivin'. Furdermoore, DiUlio wuz wright. Close down da Ave., hey?
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I live in LA and have never seen an Asian only league. Maybe in your hood but I have never seen it. More importantly, who cares?
Right? I cannot believe this was even brought up. Perhaps the most random, bizarre, point ever made on Scoop. However, we are all better off going forward knowing these leagues exist in L.A.
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All of this about majority/minority areas and urban schools is correct. However, maybe 20 or so years ago, there was a movement afoot to move Marquette and Marquette High to the burbs. MU considered a move to the area where Concordia is now located—which had done the same thing. To the credit of the Jesuits, the decision was to stay urban within the heart of the city so as not to abandon the neighborhoods. The point is there was a decision to stay put and minister to the neighbors as well as educating college students.
Concordia was smaller and in a worse neighborhood. Them leaving was smart.
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Terrible mistake. Shoulda bolted like Concordia did. Enrollment woulda bin thrivin'. Furdermoore, DiUlio wuz wright. Close down da Ave., hey?
No and no
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My point was these urban schools were built a long time ago and they were not built in minority areas. They became minority areas over time.
Wrong as usual. The Jesuits intentionally built their schools in urban areas which have always been minority areas. The difference was in 1881 it wasn't black and Hispanic neighborhoods, but German or Italian or Polish neighborhoods.
I use this argument all the time talking about the school where I work (Racine St Cats). Sure, it's founding in the 1860s was to serve immigrant German girls, but now it serves a much different, but equally oppressed "minority" community. The same is true of most urban Catholic schools K-12-university
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I live in LA and have never seen an Asian only league. Maybe in your hood but I have never seen it. More importantly, who cares?
Up in those Calabasas burbs you won’t see it...77% white and less than 10% Asian...I care and so does much of the Asian sports community where basketball has been part of that community for a long time. Maybe it is my educational background in East Asian Cultures and Languages that I just notice it more. What Brew said was wrong and you need to get out more apparently.
Maybe branch out a bit and you will see it. Some leagues allow a max of two non Asians, but most Asian basketball leagues do not....been around for decades and some since the early 1900s.
JA leagues. https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-sp-japanese-american-sports-20150523-story.html
JAO. https://www.upworthy.com/the-moving-reason-these-japanese-american-basketball-leagues-have-thousands-of-players
Tiger Sports
ABA ( Asian Basketball Association)
ABN
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Right? I cannot believe this was even brought up. Perhaps the most random, bizarre, point ever made on Scoop. However, we are all better off going forward knowing these leagues exist in L.A.
It was brought up because of this entire thread....why aren’t Asian Americans getting those opportunities? It was brought up because “minorities” to certain people on this board only include SOME minorities and not all....and when they try to explain it away they never can....as is the case in this thread again. Instead foolish comments about Asians not caring about basketball or sports, or not playing....heads totally in the sand. Are Asians and Hispanics not minorities, too? Why does it monotonous matter then? Where are their basketball coaching opportunities?
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So he is an Asian American. TY
Btw, not a bad choice for MU if Wojo left.
Huh? When did Israel become considered part of Asia and individuals of Jewish ancestry become Asian?
Nah, Todd isn’t ready for MU. No midwestern connections, only one year as a HC, ties to Bruce Pearl. Now, the guy who Todd took over for, definitely.
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Wrong as usual. The Jesuits intentionally built their schools in urban areas which have always been minority areas. The difference was in 1881 it wasn't black and Hispanic neighborhoods, but German or Italian or Polish neighborhoods.
I use this argument all the time talking about the school where I work (Racine St Cats). Sure, it's founding in the 1860s was to serve immigrant German girls, but now it serves a much different, but equally oppressed "minority" community. The same is true of most urban Catholic schools K-12-university
I never said anything about urban...Jesuits largely built in urban areas (though not exclusively)...but it is not wrong what I said about minorities. They built them in urban areas becaus3 they were population centers and had $$$$$$ which the good old Jebbies and Catholic orgs were always (still do) seeking.
I’d recommend you read this
http://www.larramendi.es/i18n/catalogo_imagenes/grupo.cmd?path=1000216
A few others I can share as well.
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Huh? When did Israel become considered part of Asia and individuals of Jewish ancestry become Asian?
Nah, Todd isn’t ready for MU. No midwestern connections, only one year as a HC, ties to Bruce Pearl. Now, the guy who Todd took over for, definitely.
Dude, Israel is a part of Asia. Your best friend is a dual citizen of Israel and the US. He is also a proclaimed member of the Asian American Coaches Association.
Is Bruce Pearl's ancestry from Israel? Or Europe? Is Ed Cooley considered not an African American because he was born in the USA? I mean really....
https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Israel-and-the-Region.aspx
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Huh? When did Israel become considered part of Asia and individuals of Jewish ancestry become Asian?
What continent do you think Israel is on?
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What continent do you think Israel is on?
Clearly Europe based on its FIFA Confederacy affiliation.
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I never said anything about urban...Jesuits largely built in urban areas (though not exclusively)...but it is not wrong what I said about minorities. They built them in urban areas becaus3 they were population centers and had $$$$$$ which the good old Jebbies and Catholic orgs were always (still do) seeking.
I’d recommend you read this
http://www.larramendi.es/i18n/catalogo_imagenes/grupo.cmd?path=1000216
A few others I can share as well.
From the book you linked, in the section titled "The Urban College," p 93.
"The Jesuit community associated with a college in a large urban location, e.g. Lima or
Mexico City, was also involved in ministries to the Indians and in the case of Lima to the
black slaves living in the city. The college was not only for “teaching” but also had a focus
of apostolic activity throughout a city. Sodalities or confraternities were of special
importance in establishing a Christian elite within the Spanish, Indian, and Black
populations. Streetcorner preaching was one of the major activities of the Jesuits in Lima
and the purpose of this was to go out to people who normally would not go to church.
Each day a group of Jesuits would leave their house, walk in procession through the streets
of Lima with bell ringing and cross uplifted and attract groups of Indians and blacks to
whom the Jesuits would preach."
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What continent do you think Israel is on?
FWIW, continents are an asinine way to organize anything. There's an argument to be made that Asia-Europe-Africa is really just one continent, geographically. Within continents there are massive cultural divides. Israel might technically be "in Asia," but I would consider it some sort of hybrid between "Western" and "Middle Eastern" before I ever labeled it "Asian"
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http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/ncaa-demographics-database
Here is the demographic breakdown for each D1 sport. You can select any conference; it is already set for the year 2018.
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Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place (sports in general are often frowned upon) which leads to a limited number of candidates for jobs.
You've apparently never met a Filipino.
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Simple positive thread entirely ruined by a deranged lunatic (chicos) ✅
Can anyone point me to one that this psychopath has not ruined?
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Terrible mistake. Shoulda bolted like Concordia did. Enrollment woulda bin thrivin'. Furdermoore, DiUlio wuz wright. Close down da Ave., hey?
Yes to Avenue Commons, no to moving to the burbs in my opinion.
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From the book you linked, in the section titled "The Urban College," p 93.
"The Jesuit community associated with a college in a large urban location, e.g. Lima or
Mexico City, was also involved in ministries to the Indians and in the case of Lima to the
black slaves living in the city. The college was not only for “teaching” but also had a focus
of apostolic activity throughout a city. Sodalities or confraternities were of special
importance in establishing a Christian elite within the Spanish, Indian, and Black
populations. Streetcorner preaching was one of the major activities of the Jesuits in Lima
and the purpose of this was to go out to people who normally would not go to church.
Each day a group of Jesuits would leave their house, walk in procession through the streets
of Lima with bell ringing and cross uplifted and attract groups of Indians and blacks to
whom the Jesuits would preach."
Keep reading.......and I lived two years in Lima...know it well....went to Colegio Franklin Delano Roosevelt school in Lima as a youngster before moving back to the United States. The original school was in the San Isidro District, but since relocated to La Molina.
I'm talking about the United States and Jesuit colleges and universities.
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This thread confirms that racism in US keeps growing. We are heading back to the good old times like some here wish. Unfortunately Rome will burn and fall.
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What continent do you think Israel is on?
Israelis are not classified as Asian. They wouldn’t even consider themselves “Asian.” But a supposed adult who changes his handle to that of a seventeen year old male, well, I’m not sure what to call that...other than creepy.
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Dude, Israel is a part of Asia. Your best friend is a dual citizen of Israel and the US. He is also a proclaimed member of the Asian American Coaches Association.
Is Bruce Pearl's ancestry from Israel? Or Europe? Is Ed Cooley considered not an African American because he was born in the USA? I mean really....
https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Israel-and-the-Region.aspx
He’s in that group because it was his fellow coaching staff member who founded it. A couple other white coaches from the staff joined to support Sonic. At the time it was founded there were only two Asian-Americans in college coaching.
To try and claim anyone from the Middle East as “Asian” (especially since they would not check that box) to prove a point on a message board is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
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Israelis are not classified as Asian. They wouldn’t even consider themselves “Asian.” But a supposed adult who changes his handle to that of a seventeen year old male, well, I’m not sure what to call that...other than creepy.
Quoting Chicos really creepy
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Another (unfortunately) Classic Scoop thread.
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Israelis are not classified as Asian. They wouldn’t even consider themselves “Asian.” But a supposed adult who changes his handle to that of a seventeen year old male, well, I’m not sure what to call that...other than creepy.
So what continent do you think Israel is on?
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This is from the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
Israel stands at the crossroads of Europe, Asia and Africa. Geographically, it belongs to the Asian continent and is part of the Middle East region.
https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Israel-and-the-Region.aspx
As if those schlemiels know what continent they're on!
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You've apparently never met a Filipino.
I'm actually married to one.
Yes, in the Philippines basketball is huge (if you haven't read Pacific Rims I suggest picking it up) but Fil-Am culture is very different from Filipino culture. Right now there is only one Filipino in the NBA, Jordan Clarkson, who is half. There was a lot of hope for Kobe Paras (also half) but he flamed out at three schools and went to the Philippines for college where his dad is still a legend. Other than Spolestra there aren't any Filipino coaches and he's half Filipino and born in the US. Fil-Am's, especially first-generation, generally leave sports in or after high school to concentrate on academics. That is highly ingrained in the Asian culture and sports participation looked down upon (typical in many Asian households were team sports are seen as a distraction).
Plus, the average Filipino male is 5-5 so basketball isn't a long term option for them. It also explains their 40-year losing streak in the World Cup and Olympic qualifying events.
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So what continent do you think Israel is on?
what continent it is on does not categorize them as people as Asian. Brooklyn and Queens are technically part of Long Island but you won't find any in those boroughs who call themselves "Long Islanders.' Israeli's are descended from a different people. Would you consider Mexicans or Costa Ricans or other Hispanics as the same peoples as Americans or Canadians? I mean, it's connected to North American so they must be the same.
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what continent it is on does not categorize them as people as Asian. Brooklyn and Queens are technically part of Long Island but you won't find any in those boroughs who call themselves "Long Islanders.' Israeli's are descended from a different people. Would you consider Mexicans or Costa Ricans or other Hispanics as the same peoples as Americans or Canadians? I mean, it's connected to North American so they must be the same.
Yes people from Mexico and Canada are North Americans
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I'm actually married to one.
Yes, in the Philippines basketball is huge (if you haven't read Pacific Rims I suggest picking it up) but Fil-Am culture is very different from Filipino culture. Right now there is only one Filipino in the NBA, Jordan Clarkson, who is half. There was a lot of hope for Kobe Paras (also half) but he flamed out at three schools and went to the Philippines for college where his dad is still a legend. Other than Spolestra there aren't any Filipino coaches and he's half Filipino and born in the US. Fil-Am's, especially first-generation, generally leave sports in or after high school to concentrate on academics. That is highly ingrained in the Asian culture and sports participation looked down upon (typical in many Asian households were team sports are seen as a distraction).
Plus, the average Filipino male is 5-5 so basketball isn't a long term option for them. It also explains their 40-year losing streak in the World Cup and Olympic qualifying events.
I was responding to your statement that "Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place," which is very wrong, especially among Filipinos.
What the lack of Filipinos in the NBA has to do with the sports popularity among the Filipino-American community is beyond me.
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Plus, the average Filipino male is 5-5 so basketball isn't a long term option for them. It also explains their 40-year losing streak in the World Cup and Olympic qualifying events.
So you're saying Markus could be a dominant point-center there!
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what continent it is on does not categorize them as people as Asian. Brooklyn and Queens are technically part of Long Island but you won't find any in those boroughs who call themselves "Long Islanders.' Israeli's are descended from a different people. Would you consider Mexicans or Costa Ricans or other Hispanics as the same peoples as Americans or Canadians? I mean, it's connected to North American so they must be the same.
The whole continent is America. All Americans, North, Central, South.
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He’s in that group because it was his fellow coaching staff member who founded it. A couple other white coaches from the staff joined to support Sonic. At the time it was founded there were only two Asian-Americans in college coaching.
To try and claim anyone from the Middle East as “Asian” (especially since they would not check that box) to prove a point on a message board is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
Interesting...I have never been called out for my “intellectual dishonesty” for quoting published geography sources before. I am sure all my Palestinian friends from Israel will be happy to check that traditional white European box on their immigration form.
Serious question: Did you, Cheeks, Ners and the other ex-MUAD alums have to take Bloviating 101 back in the day?
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That is highly ingrained in the Asian culture and sports participation looked down upon (typical in many Asian households were team sports are seen as a distraction).
So, the upcoming Tokyo and Beijing Olympics were just cancelled?
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This thread confirms that racism in US keeps growing. We are heading back to the good old times like some here wish. Unfortunately Rome will burn and fall.
I agree that it does....it shows that people don't care about the plight of Asians who are also minorities. Or go to the free agency thread and how few of the supposedly "WOKE" here don't care about minorities and women losing opportunities in athletics and how their programs should be purged to help the 1%. Sure sounds racist to me.
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Simple positive thread entirely ruined by a deranged lunatic (chicos) ✅
Can anyone point me to one that this psychopath has not ruined?
1000's of them Roberto, just look.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60036.0
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I agree that it does....it shows that people don't care about the plight of Asians who are also minorities. Or go to the free agency thread and how few of the supposedly "WOKE" here don't care about minorities and women losing opportunities in athletics and how their programs should be purged to help the 1%. Sure sounds racist to me.
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Interesting...I have never been called out for my “intellectual dishonesty” for quoting published geography sources before. I am sure all my Palestinian friends from Israel will be happy to check that traditional white European box on their immigration form.
Serious question: Did you, Cheeks, Ners and the other ex-MUAD alums have to take Bloviating 101 back in the day?
Ners never worked in the athletic department that I am aware of, but he can correct me if I am wrong. I'd ask the same question you asked right back at you...starting with the former "journalists" here and moving on down to the lawyers, etc. ;)
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I'm Filipino and basketball fandom is big in my family. participation was less encouraged, but part of that was my dad being in the Navy and my mom not having time to support it when he'd be deployed.
I don't recall Asian only leagues while growing up in San Diego, but I've met Cheeks and don't have any reason to disbelieve that they exist.
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I'm Filipino and basketball fandom is big in my family. participation was less encouraged, but part of that was my dad being in the Navy and my mom not having time to support it when he'd be deployed.
I don't recall Asian only leagues while growing up in San Diego, but I've met Cheeks and don't have any reason to disbelieve that they exist.
Hey man....hope things are going well. Several great Filipino leagues in San Diego.
The OC leagues tend to be Japanese only, part of the JAL or JAO leagues. The ABN (Asian Baller Networks) are what a number of my friends use to organize and play.
Good history here about So Cal Asian basketball leagues for nearly 100 years. https://www.colorlines.com/articles/asian-american-basketball-leagues-helped-create-linsanity
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I agree that it does....it shows that people don't care about the plight of Asians who are also minorities. Or go to the free agency thread and how few of the supposedly "WOKE" here don't care about minorities and women losing opportunities in athletics and how their programs should be purged to help the 1%. Sure sounds racist to me.
So Chico's pontificating against kids being able to move around just like coaches is actually because he really, really cares about minorities and women losing opportunities? LOL.
And you're miffed when people laugh at you with scorn and derision.
“I came back here last week, but will keep appearance limited.” --Cheeks
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So Chico's pontificating against kids being able to move around just like coaches is actually because he really, really cares about minorities and women losing opportunities? LOL.
And you're miffed when people laugh at you with scorn and derision.
“I came back here last week, but will keep appearance limited.” --Cheeks
But, it’s okay for student athletes in non-revenue sports to move around as the NCAA allows today, but not in the two revenue sports where Direct TV has unbalanced conference revenue contracts.
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But, it’s okay for student athletes in non-revenue sports to move around as the NCAA allows today, but not in the two revenue sports where Direct TV has unbalanced conference revenue contracts.
Yep. If you're on a full scholarship for lacrosse - something many schools, especially in the East, offer - you have the freedom to transfer without having to sit out a year. Same if you're on scholarship for volleyball, wrestling, softball, you name it. Heck, same if you're on scholarship for acting, editing the school paper, playing an instrument, etc; with those there isn't even a 1-year rule, you could transfer to any school you want whenever you want.
But it's A-OK to discriminate against athletes in 5 sports, because ... ?
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Yep. If you're on a full scholarship for lacrosse - something many schools, especially in the East, offer - you have the freedom to transfer without having to sit out a year. Same if you're on scholarship for volleyball, wrestling, softball, you name it. Heck, same if you're on scholarship for acting, editing the school paper, playing an instrument, etc; with those there isn't even a 1-year rule, you could transfer to any school you want whenever you want.
But it's A-OK to discriminate against athletes in 5 sports, because ... ?
Even though this question does not have to do with the Original Top, still curious. What is the transfer rate in non revenue sports?
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Even though this question does not have to do with the Original Top, still curious. What is the transfer rate in non revenue sports?
I have no earthly idea.
I do know that lacrosse is a revenue sport at many eastern schools, with several programs drawing an average of over 2,500 fans. Yet as far as transfer policy goes, lacrosse is treated differently than hockey - even though numerous Division 1 hockey schools play in arenas that don't even hold 2,500 fans.
The big Iowa schools draw huge crowds for wrestling, with the Iowa-Iowa State match in Ames drawing 11,238 and the Iowa-Wisconsin match in Iowa City drawing 10,603, for example. But that's not a revenue sport in which transfers have to sit out a year ... while Iowa baseball - which has trouble drawing 1,000 fans to games - is covered by the rule requiring transfers to sit out a year.
As is the case with their ridiculously random waiver policy, the NCAA is arbitrary and clueless in that realm, too.
Until athletes from those 5 sports get at least the same amount of freedom of movement as do their scholarship classmates from lacrosse, wrestling, volleyball, etc, it's nothing but discrimination, plain and simple. Of course in 3 of the 5 sports being discriminated against, the majority of athletes are black. Probably only a coincidence, though.
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Even though this question does not have to do with the Original Top, still curious. What is the transfer rate in non revenue sports?
See Page 10 in the report below.
The top 10 (among four-year school transfers, i.e. excluding JUCOs) are:
Women's beach volleyball - 19.1 percent
Men's soccer - 16.1 percent
Men's basketball - 14.3 percent
Men's tennis - 13.1 percent
Women's tennis - 13 percent
Women's basketball - 11.7 percent
Men's golf - 8.9 percent
Women's volleyball - 8.8 percent
Women's golf - 8.6 percent
Men's skiing - 8.3 percent
FWIW, FBS football is just 4.3 percent
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/transfers/Aug2019RES_TransCompD1TeamsSlides.pdf
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But, it’s okay for student athletes in non-revenue sports to move around as the NCAA allows today, but not in the two revenue sports where Direct TV has unbalanced conference revenue contracts.
Revenue contracts....that’s a good one. It’s also beyond silly. TV contracts are not tied to one slice of one sport....they are much broader in nature.
The answer to your question is it should not be ok for anyone to transfer without sitting out. It has been massively abused by men’s and women’s soccer and has been a concern of coaches in other sports as well. I would note that none of those coaches are getting rich which is the red herring played by so many here on the football and basketball front.
I would be all for immediate transfers if the students reimbursed the programs for the time and money spent to train, educate, etc.
30+ years ago when I was considering MU I also considered West Point, etc. I did not apply to the military schools. They had a situation where if you left in after your first two years you had to payback the US Govt for the education they gave you. I don’t know if that is still the case today...VMI was also on my list (private school) which I don’t believe had the same payback requirements. My point is that a payback was required. If student athletes want to buy their way out then I am all for it.
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See Page 10 in the report below.
The top 10 (among four-year school transfers, i.e. excluding JUCOs) are:
Women's beach volleyball - 19.1 percent
Men's soccer - 16.1 percent
Men's basketball - 14.3 percent
Men's tennis - 13.1 percent
Women's tennis - 13 percent
Women's basketball - 11.7 percent
Men's golf - 8.9 percent
Women's volleyball - 8.8 percent
Women's golf - 8.6 percent
Men's skiing - 8.3 percent
FWIW, FBS football is just 4.3 percent
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/transfers/Aug2019RES_TransCompD1TeamsSlides.pdf
A bit skewed on the data...there are only about 65 women’s beach volleyball programs in the country....over 350 women’s basketball (same for men’s basketball) so the percentages jump because even slightest movement makes a bigger percentage impact.
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See Page 10 in the report below.
The top 10 (among four-year school transfers, i.e. excluding JUCOs) are:
Women's beach volleyball - 19.1 percent
Men's soccer - 16.1 percent
Men's basketball - 14.3 percent
Men's tennis - 13.1 percent
Women's tennis - 13 percent
Women's basketball - 11.7 percent
Men's golf - 8.9 percent
Women's volleyball - 8.8 percent
Women's golf - 8.6 percent
Men's skiing - 8.3 percent
FWIW, FBS football is just 4.3 percent
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/transfers/Aug2019RES_TransCompD1TeamsSlides.pdf
Good stats, Pak. Thanks.
Men's soccer - which has some big, popular programs - has big-time transfer numbers.
It's amazing all those programs haven't had to be shut down because, well, you know.
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Good stats, Pak. Thanks.
Men's soccer - which has some big, popular programs - has big-time transfer numbers.
It's amazing all those programs haven't had to be shut down because, well, you know.
It has been wildly abused in men’s soccer and has been for years Mr. Passive Aggressive. Coaches have complained about it for a long time as kids are poached to other programs.
But since men’s soccer doesn’t fund programs like football and basketball do, no it would not impact programs being shut down. Now, if you start doing this with actual profit bearing programs like football and basketball, different story.
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It has been wildly abused in men’s soccer and has been for years Mr. Passive Aggressive. Coaches have complained about it for a long time as kids are poached to other programs.
But since men’s soccer doesn’t fund programs like football and basketball do, no it would not impact programs being shut down. Now, if you start doing this with actual profit bearing programs like football and basketball, different story.
No, it isn’t.
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Good stats, Pak. Thanks.
Men's soccer - which has some big, popular programs - has big-time transfer numbers.
It's amazing all those programs haven't had to be shut down because, well, you know.
SMU landed 16 transfers last year in football and made the Top 25. Many came from power conferences.
https://247sports.com/college/smu/LongFormArticle/Shane-Buechele-Richard-McBryde-Thomas-Shelmire-Kedrick-James-Chevin-Calloway-CamRon-Jones-SMU-Mustangs-college-football-transfers-new-players-134499064/
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SMU landed 16 transfers last year in football and made the Top 25. Many came from power conferences.
https://247sports.com/college/smu/LongFormArticle/Shane-Buechele-Richard-McBryde-Thomas-Shelmire-Kedrick-James-Chevin-Calloway-CamRon-Jones-SMU-Mustangs-college-football-transfers-new-players-134499064/
Yep. Rather than destroying non-major programs, transfers benefit them.
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SMU landed 16 transfers last year in football and made the Top 25. Many came from power conferences.
https://247sports.com/college/smu/LongFormArticle/Shane-Buechele-Richard-McBryde-Thomas-Shelmire-Kedrick-James-Chevin-Calloway-CamRon-Jones-SMU-Mustangs-college-football-transfers-new-players-134499064/
UCLA has had massive transfers in the last three years that has hurt their ability. 75+ transfers through last year alone.
We can play this game all day...it isn’t a zero sum game. Happy to provide other examples and have on the basketball side where mid-majors have lost 3 or 4 kids in one year and decimated a program.
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Yep. Rather than destroying non-major programs, transfers benefit them.
Additional freedom of movement, as enjoyed by athletes in all but 5 sports as well as the rest of every school's students, will be an even bigger benefit.
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Additional freedom of movement, as enjoyed by athletes in all but 5 sports as well as the rest of every school's students, will be an even bigger benefit.
Completely agree. Schools that have problems losing players will have to look long and hard about why. We can play this game all day but at the end of the day, you’ll have to figure out why.
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UCLA has had massive transfers in the last three years that has hurt their ability. 75+ transfers through last year alone.
We can play this game all day...it isn’t a zero sum game. Happy to provide other examples and have on the basketball side where mid-majors have lost 3 or 4 kids in one year and decimated a program.
How many sports did UCLA have to shut down because of this?
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Poaching Problem: Mid-major college basketball teams fight 'slimy' recruiting from bigger schools. This is before free agency....just imagine
https://www.standard.net/sports/poaching-problem-mid-major-college-basketball-teams-fight-slimy-recruiting/article_75743b06-dd99-596f-a298-4551f0d2b6ea.html
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Star Transfers hurting mid-majors
https://sports.yahoo.com/harsh-reality-hitting-mid-major-schools-star-players-show-ncaa-tourney-001926275.html
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Poaching Problem: Mid-major college basketball teams fight 'slimy' recruiting from bigger schools. This is before free agency....just imagine
https://www.standard.net/sports/poaching-problem-mid-major-college-basketball-teams-fight-slimy-recruiting/article_75743b06-dd99-596f-a298-4551f0d2b6ea.html
I don’t believe the media
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6 Mid-Majors have made the Final 4 since 2010. Take a gander at how many made the Final 4 before 2010
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Star Transfers hurting mid-majors
https://sports.yahoo.com/harsh-reality-hitting-mid-major-schools-star-players-show-ncaa-tourney-001926275.html
Which of these programs moved down a level or quit altogether?
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Completely agree. Schools that have problems losing players will have to look long and hard about why. We can play this game all day but at the end of the day, you’ll have to figure out why.
Weather, girls, uniforms, not paying under the table, not coddling to 18 year olds, etc etc. All kinds of reasons, real and superficial why kids leave.
I predict the 800 or so transfers that happen now will explode even further to 1400 or more. The age of not getting your way and rewarding tantrums....going to be awesome.
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I don’t believe the media
Journalists are never wrong
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6 Mid-Majors have made the Final 4 since 2010. Take a gander at how many made the Final 4 before 2010
Crapshoot
You realize when MU made it in 2003 we were labeled as a mid major by some publications. Define midmajor.
Free agency will change the future fundamentally for mid majors.
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Which of these programs moved down a level or quit altogether?
Has free agency started yet? That’s what I thought.
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Weather, girls, uniforms, not paying under the table, not coddling to 18 year olds, etc etc. All kinds of reasons, real and superficial why kids leave.
I predict the 800 or so transfers that happen now will explode even further to 1400 or more. The age of not getting your way and rewarding tantrums....going to be awesome.
Like the song said - “It’s the end of the world as we know it.........and I feel fine!”
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FFS Cheeks, in how many topics are you going to debate this? Everyone knows your point of view. Just because people disagree with it, doesn't mean you have to respond every...f*cking...time...
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Crapshoot
You realize when MU made it in 2003 we were labeled as a mid major by some publications. Define midmajor.
Free agency will change the future fundamentally for mid majors.
And low-majors and power conferences. What won’t change? The number of division 1 schools or number of lower level schools trying to get to that level.
The system is STACKED against them today, was yesterday and will be tomorrow. And they ain’t gonna stop trying because the student athletes have the ability to transfer once without sitting out.
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Its getting sickening, this idiot posting and taking over every thread !! ! I have him on IGNORE and I still see his posts when he gets "quoted" everywhere.... Very frustrating ! ! ! Makes this site suck.... Im sorry just my little opinion ! ! ! 8-)
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Has free agency started yet? That’s what I thought.
Can we talk about all the mid-majors that have benefited as a result of transfers?
Like the Loyola team that made the Final Four with a transfer leading the way?
Or the San Diego State team currently ranked in the top 5, with two of its three leading scorers being transfers from P6 schools?
Or the Nevada team that made the Sweet 16 in 2018 thanks to four transfers from P6 programs?
And since you mention Marquette in 2003, didn't that team benefit greatly as a result of a transfer from a bigger conference?
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Can we talk about all the mid-majors that have benefited as a result of transfers?
Like the Loyola team that made the Final Four with a transfer leading the way?
Or the San Diego State team currently ranked in the top 5, with two of its three leading scorers being transfers from P6 schools?
Or the Nevada team that made the Sweet 16 in 2018 thanks to four transfers from P6 programs?
And since you mention Marquette in 2003, didn't that team benefit greatly as a result of a transfer from a bigger conference?
Dontcha know? Kids won’t transfer down ever anymore. Especially with it being easier for them to go somewhere and get more playing time. It’s ludicrous to think that will happen anymore
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Traci Carter, Haanif Cheatham, Odartey, Amo, Karon, Deonte, Dawson, the list goes on. Transfers go both ways.
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Its getting sickening, this idiot posting and taking over every thread !! ! I have him on IGNORE and I still see his posts when he gets "quoted" everywhere.... Very frustrating ! ! ! Makes this site suck.... Im sorry just my little opinion ! ! ! 8-)
Every thread....good lord can you be more dramatic. I’m just answering the posts that are here. Nothing more
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And low-majors and power conferences. What won’t change? The number of division 1 schools or number of lower level schools trying to get to that level.
The system is STACKED against them today, was yesterday and will be tomorrow. And they ain’t gonna stop trying because the student athletes have the ability to transfer once without sitting out.
Yes....and it only gets worse which is what I am saying. Stacked becomes more stacked. Further consolidation of power, wealth and control
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Yes....and it only gets worse which is what I am saying. Stacked becomes more stacked. Further consolidation of power, wealth and control
The rich get richer every year. The gap gets bigger every year regardless of doing what is best for the student athlete.
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Yes....and it only gets worse which is what I am saying. Stacked becomes more stacked. Further consolidation of power, wealth and control
So you agree that NCAA revenues should be divided equally among all member institutions, right?
I can't imagine that someone so concerned with the well-being of smaller programs would tolerate a system in which power conference schools like those in the Big 10 and SEC receive operate with the benefit of budgets 5 to 10 times larger than some of their smaller DI programs.
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So you agree that NCAA revenues should be divided equally among all member institutions, right?
I can't imagine that someone so concerned with the well-being of smaller programs would tolerate a system in which power conference schools like those in the Big 10 and SEC receive operate with the benefit of budgets 5 to 10 times larger than some of their smaller DI programs.
No, just as I don't agree everyone should be paid the same....should all lawyers be paid the same? Let me know if you agree with that statement.
You keep stating words that were never said. I believe each of these kids is getting a scholarship grant in aid, whether it is from Michigan or Prairie View A&M....it's a D1 scholarship to cover education, room and board. That's what I believe they EARNED and the value exchange they are given in return for competing for said school. Conference revenues are often split equally, but that's up to the conference. NCAA revenues...some are split equally and some are a product of success based outcomes (i.e. advancing into the NCAA tournament). I am fine with that approach.
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The rich get richer every year. The gap gets bigger every year regardless of doing what is best for the student athlete.
I thought that's why we have people and organizations / controlling mechanisms to stop that from getting out of control and protecting those folks. Hmm.
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31 posts today by Chicos... I doubt that's the last of them as well. Wow
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How many sports did UCLA have to shut down because of this?
Think of all the lost opportunities for minorities and women!
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Every thread....good lord can you be more dramatic. I’m just answering the posts that are here. Nothing more
"The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc. Just not good…But not here. UGH. Embarrassing.” –Jams
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31 posts today by Chicos... I doubt that's the last of them as well. Wow
How does one put another poster on "Ignore?"
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"The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc. Just not good…But not here. UGH. Embarrassing.” –Jams
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How does one put another poster on "Ignore?"
Really easy..... follow this link
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore
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”One comment I would like to make is on the weight of the kid. You and others continue to bring this up. In the BBC this morning, they mentioned Zimmerman is 5'9", he's a little guy. Martin is 6'3". Zimmerman may weigh more, but if Martin has 6 inches on him he also has leverage. It's the first time I have seen any report mentioning the height of those involved. If you're a little guy at 5'9" and you have a 6'3" guy on top of you slamming your head against the pavement and breaking your nose, then I can see pulling a gun. --Hoopaloop
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Think of all the lost opportunities for minorities and women!
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31 posts today by Chicos... I doubt that's the last of them as well. Wow
Dude must have a big time gig to have so much free time.
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Ask those in hiring. It’s not a requirement but the main avenue for people to get into coaching, which includes playing in HS. Basketball isn’t big in the Asian-American culture in the first place (sports in general are often frowned upon) which leads to a limited number of candidates for jobs.
Basketball is popular in China!