COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[GooooMarquette]

Also, FWIW, this story has turned out to be completely false, walked back by the doctor, and no PSU athletes diagnosed with COVID have been diagnosed with myocarditis.

If true, it sounds like the doctor needs to have his license looked into. I'm just going on the information we have available, like everyone else.

[Skatastrophy]

Also, FWIW, this story has turned out to be completely false, walked back by the doctor, and no PSU athletes diagnosed with COVID have been diagnosed with myocarditis.

Completely false? The doctor misquoted the percentages he heard via word of mouth before a study was published. Unless you disagree with the published study?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/09/03/big-ten-coronavirus-myocarditis/

15% of student athletes that tested positive for covid had inflamed heart muscles. Most of those student-athletes had mild to no symptoms.

[GooooMarquette]

Completely false? The doctor misquoted the percentages he heard via word of mouth before a study was published. Unless you disagree with the published study?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/09/03/big-ten-coronavirus-myocarditis/

15% of student athletes that tested positive for covid had inflamed heart muscles. Most of those student-athletes had mild to no symptoms.

Thanks for a more balanced and complete view of the facts. Unfortunately, that has been difficult to ascertain lately.

The deaths are the most obvious risk, but cardiac or pulmonary inflammation in asymptomatic patients is awfully scary as well.

[JWags85]

Completely false? The doctor misquoted the percentages he heard via word of mouth before a study was published. Unless you disagree with the published study?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/09/03/big-ten-coronavirus-myocarditis/

15% of student athletes that tested positive for covid had inflamed heart muscles. Most of those student-athletes had mild to no symptoms.

Yes. He stated 30-35% of Big Ten athletes and used "our athletes" speaking as a Penn State employee. In reality it was 15%, none at Penn State, and there was no actual mention of these being B10 athletes. The study is also preliminary and has no mention of sample size. Could literally be 3 out of 20.  He made a definite and broad statement and had not only his statistics wildly incorrect, but the specific demo incorrect.

That's like me being a Toyota dealer and saying 30% of all Japanese mid size sedans have a braking defect. When in reality its 15% of all cars tested, and nobody knows what and how many cars have actually been tested.

[Skatastrophy]

Yes. He stated 30-35% of Big Ten athletes and used "our athletes" speaking as a Penn State employee. In reality it was 15%, none at Penn State, and there was no actual mention of these being B10 athletes. The study is also preliminary and has no mention of sample size. Could literally be 3 out of 20.  He made a definite and broad statement and had not only his statistics wildly incorrect, but the specific demo incorrect.

> no actual mention of these being B10 athletes
> He made a definite and broad statement and had not only his statistics wildly incorrect, but the specific demo incorrect.

The bulk of the study is Ohio State athletes. - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/23/sports/ncaafootball/college-football-myocarditis-coronavirus.html

I agree that the study isn't really worth much until it's published, but he wasn't talking completely out of his ass.

[pacearrow02]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1303024247510503424

Listen to the scientists they said 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️  Boy did we jack this whole thing up.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

That article would hold a lot more water if there weren't 900k dead in 9 months globally. 

I actually remember the distinctions being called out and clarified by many. Including those out of govt (s Gottleib as an example).

There was no metric error.  Just a bunch of inconsistent policies. 

[shoothoops]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1303024247510503424

Listen to the scientists they said 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️  Boy did we jack this whole thing up.

Did you really just drop a link to Russian State Controlled TV/Russian Today/RT? 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Did you really just drop a link to Russian State Controlled TV/Russian Today/RT?

Right on cue for this post

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/science/putin-russia-disinformation-health-coronavirus.html

[tower912]

Openly participating in a Russian disinformation campaign.

[rocky_warrior]

That article would hold a lot more water if there weren't 900k dead in 9 months globally. 

I actually remember the distinctions being called out and clarified by many. Including those out of govt (s Gottleib as an example).

There was no metric error.  Just a bunch of inconsistent policies.

Yup, this reads as another attempt to discredit Fauci.  I mean, it''s obviously an error, and he obviously KNEW the difference, but it wouldn't have changed stay at home recommendations (and still shouldn't...)

[pacearrow02]

Did you really just drop a link to Russian State Controlled TV/Russian Today/RT?

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7ACD87D8FD2237285EB667BB28DCC6E9/S1935789320002980a.pdf/public_health_lessons_learned_from_biases_in_coronavirus_mortality_overestimation.pdf

Data is all the same my man, maybe this source will be more to your liking.  And I'm not arguing the legitimacy of Covid being an actual pandemic, I've been arguing from day 1 it's been a massive overreaction and the lockdowns (past the initial 15-30 days) were counterproductive and as the dust continues to settle its starting to appear that way.

[rocky_warrior]

lockdowns (past the initial 15-30 days) were counterproductive and as the dust continues to settle its starting to appear that way.

Um.  Nope.  But it's obvious you'd rather believe your own made up version of the story.

[pacearrow02]

Openly participating in a Russian disinformation campaign.

Can you pin to any disinformation in the link?

[pacearrow02]

Um.  Nope.  But it's obvious you'd rather believe your own made up version of the story.

Ummmm, nope....you're wrong.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

What's a lockdown?

[pacearrow02]

Um.  Nope.  But it's obvious you'd rather believe your own made up version of the story.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aier.org/article/experience-from-other-countries-show-lockdowns-dont-work/amp/

[pacearrow02]

Um.  Nope.  But it's obvious you'd rather believe your own made up version of the story.

Would love to see the evidence suggesting it worked?

[rocky_warrior]

You're not very good at google are you?  Or only trust RT (Russian Times).COM lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-lockdowns-successful-evidence-from-around-the-world-2020-4

[pacearrow02]

You're not very good at google are you?  Or only trust RT (Russian Times).COM lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-lockdowns-successful-evidence-from-around-the-world-2020-4

An article from 5 months ago?  There must be something more recent then that?

[rocky_warrior]

An article from 5 months ago?  There must be something more recent then that?

You're really that bad at google?  This guys makes a case about the economic impact and how lockdowns should be implemented, but agrees they've worked to stamp out the virus.  From...3 hours ago.
https://theconversation.com/the-modelling-behind-melbournes-extended-city-wide-lockdown-is-problematic-145681

[pacearrow02]

You're really that bad at google?  This guys makes a case about the economic impact and how lockdowns should be implemented, but agrees they've worked to stamp out the virus.  From...3 hours ago.
https://theconversation.com/the-modelling-behind-melbournes-extended-city-wide-lockdown-is-problematic-145681

That must have taken some googling on your part to find an author in Toronto talking about how localized lockdowns in Australia have worked and should now be relaxed as your evidence for why extended lockdowns are good (I agreed, as stated above, on the initial 15-30 day lockdown)🤔. So essentially this guy is arguing my case??

Either way if you and Trump want to die on this hill of him saving millions of lives by locking down, that's fine.  I just disagree with it.

[rocky_warrior]

Either way if you and Trump want to die on this hill of him saving millions of lives by locking down

Trump locked the country down?

The US had sporadic state-level stay at home orders, and those did save a bunch of lives.   Some should have actually implemented some.  Many shouldn't have been lifted so early.

edit:

That must have taken some googling on your part to find an author in Toronto talking about how localized lockdowns in Australia have worked and should now be relaxed as your evidence for why extended lockdowns are good (I agreed, as stated above, on the initial 15-30 day lockdown)🤔. So essentially this guy is arguing my case??

Actually it took a couple seconds in google news for "lockdowns work" limiting results to the last week.  The guy used to work at the University of Melbourne.  And he is saying lockdowns should be more local.  Not arguing for shorter lockdowns.  No surprise you didn't read though.

You also asked:

Would love to see the evidence suggesting it worked?

I provided.  His charts are compelling.  You prefer russia today.com though

[shoothoops]

Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generate d public health costs of $12.2 Billion.

250,000 cases are believed to be linked to the rally, roughly 19% of all national cases between Aug 2 and Sept 2.


https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13670

[Jockey]

Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generate d public health costs of $12.2 Billion.

250,000 cases are believed to be linked to the rally, roughly 19% of all national cases between Aug 2 and Sept 2.


https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13670

I remember when their party was the "party of personal responsibility".  Now it's the "take care of me" party".