COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

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If you start giving away all your stuff, can i have your condo?

Dibs on those Marquette photos.

[jesmu84]

What is the pathway out of this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/opinion/coronavirus-smart-quarantine.html

[forgetful]

So you would rather take a drug in trials that has ZERO long term data as far as efficacy or side effects, than a drug like Hydroxy that has been around for decades?

Seems to be a much riskier proposition, but to each their own.

Except I never said any of this. You are now making crap up.

But to each their own.

[MU82]

From the NYT:

Corporate leaders are increasingly announcing donations or taking pay cuts to help respond to the pandemic — and, quite probably, to keep the political heat off.

Jack Dorsey plans to donate $1 billion of his holdings in Square, or a third of his net worth, to coronavirus relief programs. The L.L.C. he is founding with the money will track its expenditure publicly via this Google Doc. It was the single biggest gift announced by a business leader thus far, but only the latest in a growing list:

• Jeff Bezos and the foundations of Michael Dell and of Bill Gates have each pledged $100 million to causes like food banks and vaccine development efforts.
• Michael Bloomberg's philanthropic organization is spending $40 million on rapid-response teams, with a focus on Africa.
• In the finance world, Leon Black of Apollo has pledged $20 million to provide New York City health care workers with food and supplies, while Ken Griffin and other executives at Citadel have promised $15 million for vaccines and treatments.

Other chiefs are taking pay cuts. A variety of industry figures — such as Oscar Munoz of United Airlines, Arne Sorenson of Marriott, Bob Iger of Disney and Jes Staley of Barclays — are forgoing part of their pay. As top executives learned during the 2008 financial crisis, continuing to earn big bucks while workers take salary cuts or furloughs is a sure way to draw harsh scrutiny.

[shoothoops]

From the NYT:

Corporate leaders are increasingly announcing donations or taking pay cuts to help respond to the pandemic — and, quite probably, to keep the political heat off.

Jack Dorsey plans to donate $1 billion of his holdings in Square, or a third of his net worth, to coronavirus relief programs. The L.L.C. he is founding with the money will track its expenditure publicly via this Google Doc. It was the single biggest gift announced by a business leader thus far, but only the latest in a growing list:

• Jeff Bezos and the foundations of Michael Dell and of Bill Gates have each pledged $100 million to causes like food banks and vaccine development efforts.
• Michael Bloomberg's philanthropic organization is spending $40 million on rapid-response teams, with a focus on Africa.
• In the finance world, Leon Black of Apollo has pledged $20 million to provide New York City health care workers with food and supplies, while Ken Griffin and other executives at Citadel have promised $15 million for vaccines and treatments.

Other chiefs are taking pay cuts. A variety of industry figures — such as Oscar Munoz of United Airlines, Arne Sorenson of Marriott, Bob Iger of Disney and Jes Staley of Barclays — are forgoing part of their pay. As top executives learned during the 2008 financial crisis, continuing to earn big bucks while workers take salary cuts or furloughs is a sure way to draw harsh scrutiny.

Dorsey ($ 1billion) is donating 28% of his net worth. He is 168 on the Forbes 400 list. Postpandemic money will go to the healt and education of girls, and, UBI. All of it will be transparent.

[StillAWarrior]

Dorsey ($ 1billion) is donating 28% of his net worth. He is 168 on the Forbes 400 list. Postpandemic money will go to  the girl's health and education, and UBI. All of it will be transparent.

I saw this yesterday. Interesting placement of the apostrophe.

[shoothoops]

I saw this yesterday. Interesting placement of the apostrophe.

It was a typo because the sentence was originally typed in a different way to say the education and health of girls. It has been fixed. Jack Dorsey is donating $1 billion, or 28% of his net worth to COVID-19, and the health and education of girls, and UBI.

[StillAWarrior]

It was a typo because the sentence was originally typed in a different way to say the education and health of girls. It has been fixed. Jack Dorsey is donating $1 billion, or 28% of his net worth to COVID-19, and the health and education of girls, and UBI.

Oh, I'm aware...the typo was actually in Dorsey's original tweet and I noticed it yesterday.  I just thought it was kind of an amusing typo. I figured he was probably donating it to that girl who got the Zoom Hamilton performance...she's had a good week.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Barrons on a path to reopen economy with antibody testing and tracking.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/restart-economy-antibody-testing-cuomo-trump-51586352123?mod=bol-social-fb

[shoothoops]

Oh, I'm aware...the typo was actually in Dorsey's original tweet and I noticed it yesterday.  I just thought it was kind of an amusing typo. I figured he was probably donating it to that girl who got the Zoom Hamilton performance...she's had a good week.

I suppose I'm more focused on the content of what he is doing, ... a multi billionaire donating 28% of his wealth now, today, to help those specific causes of COVID-19, as well as education and health of girls and UBI. Hopefully we will see more of it elsewhere.

[GooooMarquette]

NYT: "Coronavirus Was Slow to Spread to Rural America. Not Anymore."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/08/us/coronavirus-rural-america-cases.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

The coronavirus has officially reached more than two-thirds of the country's rural counties, with one in 10 reporting at least one death. Doctors and elected officials are warning that a late-arriving wave of illness could overwhelm rural communities that are older, poorer and sicker than much of the country, and already dangerously short on medical help.

[StillAWarrior]

I suppose I'm more focused on the content of what he is doing, ... a multi billionaire donating 28% of his wealth now, today, to help those specific causes of COVID-19, as well as education and health of girls and UBI. Hopefully we will see more of it elsewhere.

I think it's fantastic, and nothing I said suggests otherwise.  I was simply amused by a typo.

[forgetful]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/us-intelligence-report-china-coronavirus/index.html

This report is weird if true. It would suggest at the time of the first known case of COVID-19, that US intelligence was aware of this disease and warned the Trump administration of the risks.

If true, how did we know?

And, why weren't we on the phone with China right away, trying to strategize how to trace and deal with this with teams of experts?

And given that the reports to the President referred to it as "cataclysmic" risk. Why were we so late on doing something.

[The Sultan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Blistering report on how Cuomo and de Blasio initially handled the situation in New York.  Frankly its miraculous that Big East teams seemingly managed to dodge this.

Also compares to how Newsome swiftly handled the situation in California.

[jesmu84]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/us-intelligence-report-china-coronavirus/index.html

This report is weird if true. It would suggest at the time of the first known case of COVID-19, that US intelligence was aware of this disease and warned the Trump administration of the risks.

If true, how did we know?

And, why weren't we on the phone with China right away, trying to strategize how to trace and deal with this with teams of experts?

And given that the reports to the President referred to it as "cataclysmic" risk. Why were we so late on doing something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/navarro-warning-trump-coronavirus.html

I think this article about a memo from Navarro to Trump - and the severely high numbers contained within - from January is even more interesting.

Feel free to cross-reference that time frame with public commentary from the administration.

[Elonsmusk]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/us-intelligence-report-china-coronavirus/index.html

This report is weird if true. It would suggest at the time of the first known case of COVID-19, that US intelligence was aware of this disease and warned the Trump administration of the risks.

If true, how did we know?

And, why weren't we on the phone with China right away, trying to strategize how to trace and deal with this with teams of experts?

And given that the reports to the President referred to it as "cataclysmic" risk. Why were we so late on doing something.

Key point:  If true.  Once again relying on "unnamed sources," "the report which CNN has not independently verified," yet CNN runs the story with the headline:  ABC News:  US Intelligence Warned of China's spreading Contagion in November?  Nice game of telephone!

Sure, hindsight is 20/20 and in any crisis things could/should have been done differently.  Suggesting that failure to taken action soon enough is why the US has the most cases is a convenient fallacy.  We've run the most tests, we are the world's Number 1 country as it relates to International travelers -  and we don't lie about our numbers.

Thinking that getting on the phone with China and that they would be forthcoming about what was happening?  Really?  That's pretty naive.  The Chinese doctor who tried to alert the world has gone missing:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8173363/Wuhan-doctor-went-public-spread-coronavirus-goes-missing.html

Lastly, concurrent to all of this happening, the President was being impeached.  Our entire congressional and executive branch were wrapped up in those proceedings.  Let's not forget, Trump was quickly called "racist" and "xenophobilc," for issuing the China travel ban.  Can't have it both ways - can't criticize and rip that decision, and then argue he didn't act soon enough.

[The Sultan]

Lastly, concurrent to all of this happening, the President was being impeached.  Our entire congressional and executive branch were wrapped up in those proceedings. 

No, most of the executive branch was doing their job.  Just because people downplayed the job they were doing doesn't mean they weren't doing their job.

[JWags85]

400 NYC COVID deaths vs 727 yesterday.  Even more very encouraging news out of the epicenter

Edit: Cuomo quoted 779 for the state. Interesting breakdown

[MU82]

Lastly, concurrent to all of this happening, the President was being impeached.  Our entire congressional and executive branch were wrapped up in those proceedings.  Let's not forget, Trump was quickly called "racist" and "xenophobilc," for issuing the China travel ban.  Can't have it both ways - can't criticize and rip that decision, and then argue he didn't act soon enough.

1. Our chief executive was so "wrapped up" in the impeachment proceedings that he was able to only stage 9 campaign rallies and to only play golf 6 times between the time the CDC informed him about the risks to the US and the time he finally admitted it was an emergency. Can't have it both ways.

2. He already had established himself as "racist" and "xenophobic" decades before the China travel ban, which was one of his few good actions in the first two months of the pandemic (and which wasn't a complete China travel ban, BTW).

[Pakuni]

Let's not forget, Trump was quickly called "racist" and "xenophobilc," for issuing the China travel ban.  Can't have it both ways - can't criticize and rip that decision, and then argue he didn't act soon enough.

A red herring, and a mostly untrue one at that.

[Jay Bee]

400 NYC COVID deaths vs 727 yesterday.  Even more very encouraging news out of the epicenter

#FakeNews #Lies

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Lastly, concurrent to all of this happening, the President was being impeached.  Our entire congressional and executive branch were wrapped up in those proceedings. 

Let's put to bed the patently false claim that the Republicans concocted Trump was just too busy getting Impeached to deal with the coronavirus and therefore it was Congressional Democrats faults:

Jan 8th - First CDC warning
Jan 9th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 14th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 18th - Trump golfs
Jan 19th - Trump golfs
Jan 20th - first case of corona virus in the US, Washington State.
Jan 22nd - "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 1st - Trump golfs
Feb 2nd - "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 10th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 15h - Trump golfs
Feb 19th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 20th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 21st - Trump campaign rally

In addition to Trump's activities putting the lie to the idea that he was too busy, for this excuse to work you'd have to admit that the President of the U.S. is incapable of handling more than one issue at a time.  But of course since he has told us he is "like, really smart" and has the biggest brain, this can't possibly be the case.
 

[wadesworld]

Let's put to bed the patently false claim that the Republicans concocted Trump was just too busy getting Impeached to deal with the coronavirus and therefore it was Congressional Democrats faults:

Jan 8th - First CDC warning
Jan 9th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 14th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 18th - Trump golfs
Jan 19th - Trump golfs
Jan 20th - first case of corona virus in the US, Washington State.
Jan 22nd - "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 1st - Trump golfs
Feb 2nd - "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 10th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 15h - Trump golfs
Feb 19th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 20th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 21st - Trump campaign rally

In addition to Trump's activities putting the lie to the idea that he was too busy, for this excuse to work you'd have to admit that the President of the U.S. is incapable of handling more than one issue at a time.  But of course since he has told us he is "like, really smart" and has the biggest brain, this can't possibly be the case.

Lol. No kidding.

[reinko]

Great, now we are OVERUSING ventilators...sheesh, just can't win.

https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/04/08/with-ventilators-running-out-doctors-say-the-machines-are-overused-for-covid-19

[Elonsmusk]

Let's put to bed the patently false claim that the Republicans concocted Trump was just too busy getting Impeached to deal with the coronavirus and therefore it was Congressional Democrats faults:

Jan 8th - First CDC warning
Jan 9th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 14th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 18th - Trump golfs
Jan 19th - Trump golfs
Jan 20th - first case of corona virus in the US, Washington State.
Jan 22nd - "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 1st - Trump golfs
Feb 2nd - "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 10th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 15h - Trump golfs
Feb 19th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 20th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 21st - Trump campaign rally

In addition to Trump's activities putting the lie to the idea that he was too busy, for this excuse to work you'd have to admit that the President of the U.S. is incapable of handling more than one issue at a time.  But of course since he has told us he is "like, really smart" and has the biggest brain, this can't possibly be the case.

Thanks for the timeline.  The impeachment was a charade...you are correct - which began formulating 35 minutes after Trump won the election.  That aside, I am curious what course of action(s) people who are critical would have wanted/suggested?  New York reported its first case of COVID on March 1st.  The 2nd death in the US from COVID happened March 1st.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-01-20-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102816/coronavirus-covid19-cases-number-us-americans-by-day/

Trump per usual made some grandiose and questionable comments back on January 22 as you state.  He issued the China travel ban January 31.  Looking at the above numbers/timeline, would you have shut the economy down on February 1st?  March 1st?

This pandemic is unlike any in history.  184 countries affected. 

All in all, it seems as though we've mounted a pretty good effort to quell the spread/effects/deaths since it became crystal clear this was going to become the worst Pandemic since 1917.

Unfortunate it began in China, and they report 82k cases in a country of 1.4B?  The blame for this pandemic lies squarely at the feet of China.  They are the true enemy to the U.S., and in this case the globe. All outrage and anger should be directed there, first and foremost.