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wadesworld


MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Only a few years late, but it's about time.  The pressure begins to mount.....

WhoaJoe2020


Elonsmusk

Man...that's pretty harsh.  I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless.  One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?

End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country.  I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.

However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.

muguru

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 25, 2020, 06:11:10 PM
Man...that's pretty harsh.  I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless.  One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?

End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country.  I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.

However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.

This is the way it's going to have to be...I've said it before, he needs enough talent where he can essentially just have them "roll the ball out and play" and let their talent take over.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

JWags85

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 25, 2020, 06:11:10 PM
End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country.  I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.

However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.

GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what's occasional S16 then? Once a decade?

And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a "roll the ball out" coach.

I'm not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 25, 2020, 06:11:10 PM
Man...that's pretty harsh.  I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless.  One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?

End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country.  I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.

However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.

Where do you get a sweet 16 from?  We haven't even competed in a round 1 game yet. 

After 6 years of recruiting and getting the top scorer in the nation, MU still can't get it to pay dividends.  What makes you think recruiting is going to change things?

Elonsmusk

Quote from: JWags85 on January 25, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what's occasional S16 then? Once a decade?

And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a "roll the ball out" coach.

I'm not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey

Totally fair.  I definitely would like to see us do better as the previous two coaches showed us what is possible.   Guess I've finally just made peace with the fact that Wojo is a mediocre bench coach at best, and have dialed down expectations. 

Now if we implode again this season, get blown out in Round 1 of NCAA...I very likely will revert to total NoJo status.

Markusquette

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 25, 2020, 06:11:10 PM
Man...that's pretty harsh.  I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless.  One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?

End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country.  I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.

However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.

Agree. I think it's lame and feeling way too entitled. 8 games into conference play at .500. Yeah, could definitely be 6-2 but it is what it is. This is more of an end of season thing to do. There's still a lot of time to see where this team will go.

The Sultan

I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.

Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Cheeks

Nothing screams rock solid thinking like that of 18-22 year olds.   
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

WhoaJoe2020

Im sure you and the Mrs. are so proud.

Cheeks

Quote from: JWags85 on January 25, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what's occasional S16 then? Once a decade?

And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a "roll the ball out" coach.

I'm not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey

I really hope some of you get what you are so entitled to.

Keep in mind one of those Sweet 16's was a miracle / choke job...that's how precarious it is to advance in the tournament.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 25, 2020, 06:40:11 PM
I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.

Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.

Good lord...to even remotely equivocate Dukiet to Wojo for someone of your "caliber" is pathetic.  But maybe as the ultra alum big booster you are...you can make a difference.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 25, 2020, 06:40:11 PM
I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.

Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.

+1000


Silent Verbal

First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this.  There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base.  That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.

WhoaJoe2020

Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 25, 2020, 06:59:20 PM
First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this.  There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base.  That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.

If only you could live up to your name.

The Sultan

Quote from: Cheeks on January 25, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
Good lord...to even remotely equivocate Dukiet to Wojo for someone of your "caliber" is pathetic.  But maybe as the ultra alum big booster you are...you can make a difference.

Reading
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"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

willie warrior

Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 25, 2020, 06:59:20 PM
First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this.  There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base.  That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.
Not to worry. Cheeky and Tower will go to bat for Wojo until all subversive thoughts are expunged.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

rocket surgeon

poor form from the 1 %'ers. Do they even know who wojo is? Maybe if some of them even went to the games...I'm as frustrated as more than most but for those of us that actually watch the games, this will take care of itself
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Cheeks

Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 25, 2020, 06:59:20 PM
First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this.  There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base.  That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.

It would be quite interesting to have him leave, the class blows up and the unicorn that people think is banging down the door to come to MU fails to materialize.....but hey, the students and grumpy alums will be able to say they did it for the program. 

Maybe that would finally crystallize where we are in the pantheon for some.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: willie warrior on January 25, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
Not to worry. Cheeky and Tower will go to bat for Wojo until all subversive thoughts are expunged.


wadesworld

Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that's who UCLA ended up with, and they're head and shoulders the better program.

HutchwasClutch

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Quote from: Cheeks on January 25, 2020, 07:14:38 PM
It would be quite interesting to have him leave, the class blows up and the unicorn that people think is banging down the door to come to MU fails to materialize.....but hey, the students and grumpy alums will be able to say they did it for the program. 

Maybe that would finally crystallize where we are in the pantheon for some.

So where we'll have to settle is a coach who'll forget the score every now and then?  Ok then.

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