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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on January 25, 2020, 05:47:56 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B7wtLOyHY16/
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Very cool.
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Only a few years late, but it's about time. The pressure begins to mount.....
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Great news!!!
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Man...that's pretty harsh. I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless. One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?
End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country. I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.
However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.
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Man...that's pretty harsh. I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless. One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?
End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country. I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.
However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.
This is the way it's going to have to be...I've said it before, he needs enough talent where he can essentially just have them "roll the ball out and play" and let their talent take over.
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End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country. I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.
However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.
GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what’s occasional S16 then? Once a decade?
And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a “roll the ball out” coach.
I’m not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey
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Man...that's pretty harsh. I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless. One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?
End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country. I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.
However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.
Where do you get a sweet 16 from? We haven't even competed in a round 1 game yet.
After 6 years of recruiting and getting the top scorer in the nation, MU still can't get it to pay dividends. What makes you think recruiting is going to change things?
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GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what’s occasional S16 then? Once a decade?
And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a “roll the ball out” coach.
I’m not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey
Totally fair. I definitely would like to see us do better as the previous two coaches showed us what is possible. Guess I've finally just made peace with the fact that Wojo is a mediocre bench coach at best, and have dialed down expectations.
Now if we implode again this season, get blown out in Round 1 of NCAA...I very likely will revert to total NoJo status.
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Man...that's pretty harsh. I'm not even a ProJo, but feel that is classless. One thing to post frustration on Scoop, as certainly Wojo can avoid reading this board - but to have that hung on campus?
End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country. I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.
However, this staff may be able to recruit well enough that Wojo's mediocre in-game coaching can be overcome.
Agree. I think it's lame and feeling way too entitled. 8 games into conference play at .500. Yeah, could definitely be 6-2 but it is what it is. This is more of an end of season thing to do. There's still a lot of time to see where this team will go.
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I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.
Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.
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Nothing screams rock solid thinking like that of 18-22 year olds.
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Im sure you and the Mrs. are so proud.
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GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what’s occasional S16 then? Once a decade?
And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a “roll the ball out” coach.
I’m not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey
I really hope some of you get what you are so entitled to.
Keep in mind one of those Sweet 16’s was a miracle / choke job...that’s how precarious it is to advance in the tournament.
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I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.
Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.
Good lord...to even remotely equivocate Dukiet to Wojo for someone of your “caliber” is pathetic. But maybe as the ultra alum big booster you are...you can make a difference.
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I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.
Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.
+1000
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First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this. There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base. That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.
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First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this. There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base. That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.
If only you could live up to your name.
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Good lord...to even remotely equivocate Dukiet to Wojo for someone of your “caliber” is pathetic. But maybe as the ultra alum big booster you are...you can make a difference.
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First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this. There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base. That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.
Not to worry. Cheeky and Tower will go to bat for Wojo until all subversive thoughts are expunged.
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poor form from the 1 %’ers. Do they even know who wojo is? Maybe if some of them even went to the games...I’m as frustrated as more than most but for those of us that actually watch the games, this will take care of itself
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First Wojo gets booed at games, and now this. There is definitely a growing unrest among the fan base. That noise will only get louder if we fail to win a tournament game this year.
It would be quite interesting to have him leave, the class blows up and the unicorn that people think is banging down the door to come to MU fails to materialize.....but hey, the students and grumpy alums will be able to say they did it for the program.
Maybe that would finally crystallize where we are in the pantheon for some.
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Not to worry. Cheeky and Tower will go to bat for Wojo until all subversive thoughts are expunged.
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
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It would be quite interesting to have him leave, the class blows up and the unicorn that people think is banging down the door to come to MU fails to materialize.....but hey, the students and grumpy alums will be able to say they did it for the program.
Maybe that would finally crystallize where we are in the pantheon for some.
So where we’ll have to settle is a coach who’ll forget the score every now and then? Ok then.
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
Not fair...when ya got 80 degrees every day and half nekid California girls all over the place, that’s got to be worth at least a top 25 without even trying eyn’a?
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
Yes, I would. He's a great coach that knows how to implement a defensive system but there's no way he'd come to MU. He would have stayed at Cincy. It's a lateral move. Not to mention, he's great friends with Buzz.
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It's tacky. As much as I get frustrated with him, this and the booing is a bad look.
I do feel like last night was a turning point, and outside of a run in March, I don't see it getting much better. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he amps up the search for a new gig this spring.
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I never was a big wojo guy but the idea that we have to fire this guy right now makes no sense to me. What does mediocre mean to some of you? This team is not mediocre. A few plays go our way and were 6-2 right now on our way to a 4 or 5 seed. Still could get a 6. That is not a bad season. We have a great class coming in and possibly mane as well. Firing him now is nonsense. To just take a gamble on some random coach to make us an annual top 10 team or somthing right freaking now is just stupid. Keep crying
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
I’d take Mick Cronin over Wojo every day of the week.
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
I would love Mick Cronin! Thanks for the inspiration!!!🙌🙌🙌
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
That coaching search was something else, but I agree with your premise. Coaches these days should be doing everything they can to land SEC gigs, doesn’t get better than those.
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I never was a big wojo guy but the idea that we have to fire this guy right now makes no sense to me. What does mediocre mean to some of you? This team is not mediocre. A few plays go our way and were 6-2 right now on our way to a 4 or 5 seed. Still could get a 6. That is not a bad season. We have a great class coming in and possibly mane as well. Firing him now is nonsense. To just take a gamble on some random coach to make us an annual top 10 team or somthing right freaking now is just stupid. Keep crying
Don't worry, Marquette isn't getting Mane. He's been reading what entitled pieces of work some MU fans are and is taking his talents elsewhere.
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
I thought it’s been established that other than history and weather, the situation at UCLA isn’t as rosy and appealing as the casual fan would think.
And other than Cronin’s style of play being awful, I would have no issues with that. He was consistent and put together nice results and teams in a lesser conference with worse institutional support
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Yes, I would. He's a great coach that knows how to implement a defensive system but there's no way he'd come to MU. He would have stayed at Cincy. It's a lateral move. Not to mention, he's great friends with Buzz.
That’s my point. Mick Cronin, a guy with 11 extra years coaching over Wojo to have the NCAA Tournament success MU fans feel entitled to and he has a single Sweet Sixteen (and no Elite Eights) to show for it and he wouldn’t even pick up the phone if MU called.
Had a Xavier fan friend go to the MU vs. SJU game last week and said MU fans are embarrassing. He wasn’t wrong.
I look forward to winning our next game so dumb posters go back into hiding.
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That’s my point. Mick Cronin, a guy with 11 extra years coaching over Wojo to have the NCAA Tournament success MU fans feel entitled to and he has a single Sweet Sixteen (and no Elite Eights) to show for it and he wouldn’t even pick up the phone if MU called.
Had a Xavier fan friend go to the MU vs. SJU game last week and said MU fans are embarrassing. He wasn’t wrong.
I look forward to winning our next game so dumb posters go back into hiding.
Lol, 1 win isn't going to change anything. This team isn't going to accomplish much. Anyone with basketball knowledge can see that. MU has a ceiling and Wojo can't even get close to maximum potential out of his guys.
An educated person would do their due diligence and search the coaching ranks for the next up and comers. There's talent out there better than Wojo, especially in the Mid Majors.
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I never was a big wojo guy but the idea that we have to fire this guy right now makes no sense to me. What does mediocre mean to some of you? This team is not mediocre. A few plays go our way and were 6-2 right now on our way to a 4 or 5 seed. Still could get a 6. That is not a bad season. We have a great class coming in and possibly mane as well. Firing him now is nonsense. To just take a gamble on some random coach to make us an annual top 10 team or somthing right freaking now is just stupid. Keep crying
This team isn't mediocre?? What team have you been watching?? They are 4-4 in BE play...that's .500 or the exact definition of mediocre. You lose at home to Providence=Mediocre(at best). You go on the road to Butler, have a lead basically the entire game against a team without the top defender in the BE, and basically do everything wrong in the last 3 minutes=Mediocre. Good teams win games like those two. Plain and simple. One thing that has been clearly obvious under Wojo is yes, every so often they will win a big game(like Nova when they were #1), but for the most part, they beat the teams most would expect them to beat, but can't consistently compete with the top teams in the conference. Which in and of itself is sad because they SHOULD be one of the top teams in the conference.
There's a lot of season left, so let's see how it finishes, maybe they have a surprise in store for us yet. Most likely however, they will finish about .500 in conference, which will mostly be buoyed by beating the DePaul's, SJU's, and Georgetown's. The class he has coming in is the ONLY reason I personally have given him a bit of a longer leash..but then last night happens, and I ask myself why.
The class coming in is great, but if they can't be coached up properly, what's the point?? I have said it before, they need classes that are so good, that they can "just roll the ball out and play" and let their talent take over to win games. Maybe this one is(if they add Mane), I hope so.
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Yes, I would. He's a great coach that knows how to implement a defensive system but there's no way he'd come to MU. He would have stayed at Cincy. It's a lateral move. Not to mention, he's great friends with Buzz.
And you would be happy signing recruits who were looking for a payday? That’s what one of Cronin’s recruits or his family communicated during his recruitment and out of nowhere UCLA got a verbal.
To be honest, the way some of you are acting, I’d almost hope for a crash and burn scenario for Marquette. A little basement fever.
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If a coaching search did occur here, I would strongly prefer someone with HC experience. I don’t expect a coach at a P6 program to jump to MU, but I would like someone who has a track record of winning and bench coaching success.
Also, Cronin was ready to jump to UNLV, which is nowhere near the job MU is.
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And you would be happy signing recruits who were looking for a payday? That’s what one of Cronin’s recruits or his family communicated during his recruitment and out of nowhere UCLA got a verbal.
To be honest, the way some of you are acting, I’d almost hope for a crash and burn scenario for Marquette. A little basement fever.
For those who haven't been paying attention to current events, all college athletes are going to be getting paydays.
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Lol, 1 win isn't going to change anything. This team isn't going to accomplish much. Anyone with basketball knowledge can see that. MU has a ceiling and Wojo can't even get close to maximum potential out of his guys.
An educated person would do their due diligence and search the coaching ranks for the next up and comers. There's talent out there better than Wojo, especially in the Mid Majors.
You trying to insult someone else’s intelligence is certainly something.
Glad you’re able to enjoy MU’s losing last night. We know you’d be nowhere to be found had they not.
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You trying to insult someone else’s intelligence is certainly something.
Glad you’re able to enjoy MU’s losing last night. We know you’d be nowhere to be found had they not.
His agenda is more important than winning.
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You trying to insult someone else’s intelligence is certainly something.
Glad you’re able to enjoy MU’s losing last night. We know you’d be nowhere to be found had they not.
Enjoy it? Not really. It's expected though because I know how to identify Wojo's weaknesses and project them into expectations. I've said this in previous posts about Wojo and even the commentators last night were bringing up weaknesses that I've pointed out in the past. You don't want to listen, that's fine.
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This team isn't mediocre?? What team have you been watching?? They are 4-4 in BE play...that's .500 or the exact definition of mediocre. You lose at home to Providence=Mediocre(at best). You go on the road to Butler, have a lead basically the entire game against a team without the top defender in the BE, and basically do everything wrong in the last 3 minutes=Mediocre. Good teams win games like those two. Plain and simple. One thing that has been clearly obvious under Wojo is yes, every so often they will win a big game(like Nova when they were #1), but for the most part, they beat the teams most would expect them to beat, but can't consistently compete with the top teams in the conference. Which in and of itself is sad because they SHOULD be one of the top teams in the conference.
There's a lot of season left, so let's see how it finishes, maybe they have a surprise in store for us yet. Most likely however, they will finish about .500 in conference, which will mostly be buoyed by beating the DePaul's, SJU's, and Georgetown's. The class he has coming in is the ONLY reason I personally have given him a bit of a longer leash..but then last night happens, and I ask myself why.
The class coming in is great, but if they can't be coached up properly, what's the point?? I have said it before, they need classes that are so good, that they can "just roll the ball out and play" and let their talent take over to win games. Maybe this one is(if they add Mane), I hope so.
I personally dont consider teams comfortably in the tournament to be mediocre. We still are currently in that situation. Obviously things go could go south fast. Or maybe the opposite well see. I dont love wojo but not wanting to fire the guy right now. It's just my opinion. And the 4-4 record is of course relevant based on the conference you are in. 4-4 in the horizon league and we are trash. 4-4 in arguably the most difficult conference certainly isn't bad. Let's see what happens
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It's tacky. As much as I get frustrated with him, this and the booing is a bad look.
+1
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His agenda is more important than winning.
Yes.....my agenda. What is my a g e n d a ??
To educate people on what crappy basketball is. Yes. I guess I have an agenda.
.......Oh wait....... there's more. I don't care for mediocre at best basketball either, especially when it dilutes the MU brand.
Anything else?
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He shouldn't be fired.
But we've also been in the Top 25 for a total of three months out of 5+ years and that's not okay either. Neither is zero tourney wins in that period.
Some people are going to need to accept that the above is going to cause unrest within the fanbase. And it's on Wojo to fix it. Now.
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Those clowns should probably check out #26 in KenPom
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Those clowns should probably check out #26 in KenPom
OSU has lost 6 of 7, most by double digits while looking awful and still sits at 13 in the Kenpom. It has its faults
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I’d take Mick Cronin over Wojo every day of the week.
Some UCLA fans already in revolt over his hiring and bad recruiting.
For those looking for NCAA success...one Sweet 16 in 17 years.
You guys make me laugh.
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OSU has lost 6 of 7, most by double digits while looking awful and still sits at 13 in the Kenpom. It has its faults
With their non-con m, I’d say KP is accurately ranking their season.
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This is flat out embarrassing for our fans and program. What good does it do to boo Wojo or put up “Fire Wojo” signs on campus? The Administration doesn’t care about your opinion. If anything, this will make our program look bad to everyone, including future recruits. Just plain stupidity.
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I would love Mick Cronin! Thanks for the inspiration!!!🙌🙌🙌
unless i'm missing soemthing, ucla is 10-9 and 3-3 in that powerful pac-10 i'd think scoop would've been running him outta town about half a season ago
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And what is with the signs in the dorms of "Wojo is a cuck"? Isn't that a right wing meme to disparage your opponent?
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unless i'm missing soemthing, ucla is 10-9 and 3-3 in that powerful pac-10 i'd think scoop would've been running him outta town about half a season ago
What's the record after 5.5 years
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unless i'm missing soemthing, ucla is 10-9 and 3-3 in that powerful pac-10 i'd think scoop would've been running him outta town about half a season ago
Wojo wasn't run out of town when his first team finished tied for ninth in the Big East. I'm not sure where you're getting your assumptions from.
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Enjoy it? Not really. It's expected though because I know how to identify Wojo's weaknesses and project them into expectations. I've said this in previous posts about Wojo and even the commentators last night were bringing up weaknesses that I've pointed out in the past. You don't want to listen, that's fine.
Will bet you we win the next 2. $100 to a charity of your choice if they dont win the next 2.
Did the same thing after the SHU loss and said we'd win 3 in a row. Nobody took me up on it.
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What's the record after 5.5 years
well, let's see-that would be 55-49.5 and 16.5-16.5 hmmm...
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well, let's see-that would be 55-49.5 and 16.5-16.5 hmmm...
;D made me laugh
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This "soft" MU team that "doesn't play hard" leads the Big East in rebounds per game, is 3rd in free throw attempts per game (0.2 attempts per game behind 2nd), 3rd in blocks per game, and tied for 3rd in defensive field goal percentage.
The only thing soft about Marquette is their fanbase.
Is the team perfect? No. Is the coach perfect? No. Yet they're 26 in KenPom and 25 in the NET rankings. Some people here act like this team is 1-7 in conference play and like the Big East is a mid major.
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This "soft" MU team that "doesn't play hard" leads the Big East in rebounds per game, is 3rd in free throw attempts per game (0.2 attempts per game behind 2nd), 3rd in blocks per game, and tied for 3rd in defensive field goal percentage.
The only thing soft about Marquette is their fanbase.
Is the team perfect? No. Is the coach perfect? No. Yet they're 26 in KenPom and 25 in the NET rankings. Some people here act like this team is 1-7 in conference play and like the Big East is a mid major.
Perfectly stated.
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This "soft" MU team that "doesn't play hard" leads the Big East in rebounds per game, is 3rd in free throw attempts per game (0.2 attempts per game behind 2nd), 3rd in blocks per game, and tied for 3rd in defensive field goal percentage.
The only thing soft about Marquette is their fanbase.
Is the team perfect? No. Is the coach perfect? No. Yet they're 26 in KenPom and 25 in the NET rankings. Some people here act like this team is 1-7 in conference play and like the Big East is a mid major.
This
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This is flat out embarrassing for our fans and program. What good does it do to boo Wojo or put up “Fire Wojo” signs on campus? The Administration doesn’t care about your opinion. If anything, this will make our program look bad to everyone, including future recruits. Just plain stupidity.
Yep. No good can come from it no matter what you think about him.
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This is flat out embarrassing for our fans and program. What good does it do to boo Wojo or put up “Fire Wojo” signs on campus? The Administration doesn’t care about your opinion. If anything, this will make our program look bad to everyone, including future recruits. Just plain stupidity.
I agree, just like a recruit(Mane) reading some of the stupidity on scoop could affect his decision.
Don't worry though, I've been assured by those same scoopers that there's no chance of that happening.
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I agree, just like a recruit(Mane) reading some of the stupidity on scoop could affect his decision.
Don't worry though, I've been assured by those same scoopers that there's no chance of that happening.
Our coach directed his team to foul in a tie game last night. But your concerned what’s posted here may keep him from playing at MU, not that our coach he’s considering playing for is incompetent to handle a close game. Now that’s stupidity.
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Our coach directed his team to foul in a tie game last night. But your concerned what’s posted here may keep him from playing at MU, not that our coach he’s considering playing for is incompetent to handle a close game. Now that’s stupidity.
An intelligent person would be worried about both.
I guess that counts you out.
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Our coach directed his team to foul in a tie game last night. But your concerned what’s posted here may keep him from playing at MU, not that our coach he’s considering playing for is incompetent to handle a close game. Now that’s stupidity.
Yup, he screwed up and OWNED it. If he hadn’t then I would be worried. Not the reason we lost the game, but you are correct he screwed up and he owned it multiple times. Do you want him to crucify himself?
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An intelligent person would be worried about both.
I guess that counts you out.
So, ours is the only fan board that dares to have critical words uttered about our coach and program direction? The other boards that Mane and other recruits reads (I’ll take your word they do) is pure intelligence, keen insight, and never a discouraging word, 24/7/365?! Sure.
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So, ours is the only fan board that dares to have critical words uttered about our coach and program direction? The other boards that Mane and other recruits reads (I’ll take your word they do) is pure intelligence, keen insight, and never a discouraging word, 24/7/365?! Sure.
I seem to recall the Maryland fans call their coach "Turd" on their message board. That was when they were ranked in the top #5 before MU played them.
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Yup, he screwed up and OWNED it. If he hadn’t then I would be worried. Not the reason we lost the game, but you are correct he screwed up and he owned it multiple times. Do you want him to crucify himself?
He owned it, wonderful. He signaled to foul immediately after possession changed, so he couldn’t exactly hide from it.
You’re good with incompetence out of our coach. What other areas of life do you accept incompetence?
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So, ours is the only fan board that dares to have critical words uttered about our coach and program direction? The other boards that Mane and other recruits reads (I’ll take your word they do) is pure intelligence, keen insight, and never a discouraging word, 24/7/365?! Sure.
This is the only fan board I give a flip about. Not to mention that Marquette is the front runner for Manes services.
And critical words, sure, I do it myself. But constantly trashing Wojo over every decision he makes whether it's subjective or objective, and calling for him to be replaced in the middle of a competitive season, and a heated recruiting battle shows a lack of common sense bordering on stupidity.
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He owned it, wonderful. He signaled to foul immediately after possession changed, so he couldn’t exactly hide from it.
You’re good with incompetence out of our coach. What other areas of life do you accept incompetence?
I guess he's the only coach that's ever made a mistake late game. Thanks for enlightening us. You know, because maybe if he were a robot and not human it wouldn't have occurred.
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He owned it, wonderful. He signaled to foul immediately after possession changed, so he couldn’t exactly hide from it.
You’re good with incompetence out of our coach. What other areas of life do you accept incompetence?
I’m also understanding that people make mistakes. That doesn’t make someone incompetent. I was all over him last night for what he did. I also commend him for owning it immediately.
And yes, he could have hidden from it by claiming it was a strategy as some insisted he would do...he didn’t.
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Will bet you we win the next 2. $100 to a charity of your choice if they dont win the next 2.
Did the same thing after the SHU loss and said we'd win 3 in a row. Nobody took me up on it.
C'mon man...neither of your two proclamations are very bold. In the first instance that I bolded, MU played SJU, Georgetown and Xavier...not exactly a who's who of College basketball. That isn't exactly Nostradamus level predictions right there.
In this current instance, you want someone to bet you that they will beat Xavier and Depaul?? C'mon man! Again, those aren't predictions that are going out on a ledge. If someone actually bets you, truly believing they will lose those games, then there's something wrong. Conversely, if MU doesn't win both of those, there is something VERY wrong...far more then anyone could have imagined.
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C'mon man...neither of your two proclamations are very bold. In the first instance that I bolded, MU played SJU, Georgetown and Xavier...not exactly a who's who of College basketball. That isn't exactly Nostradamus level predictions right there.
In this current instance, you want someone to bet you that they will beat Xavier and Depaul?? C'mon man! Again, those aren't predictions that are going out on a ledge. If someone actually bets you, truly believing they will lose those games, then there's something wrong. Conversely, if MU doesn't win both of those, there is something VERY wrong...far more then anyone could have imagined.
You don't think there are people on scoop pessimistic enough to believe MU won't lose 1/3 games? Sure they aren't the "who's who" of cbb, but every team in the BE is capable of beating some big time teams. I don't think it's farfetched at all to think MU loses in either scenario. Far from very wrong. Not because I have low expectations, but because I'm realistic.
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C'mon man...neither of your two proclamations are very bold. In the first instance that I bolded, MU played SJU, Georgetown and Xavier...not exactly a who's who of College basketball. That isn't exactly Nostradamus level predictions right there.
In this current instance, you want someone to bet you that they will beat Xavier and Depaul?? C'mon man! Again, those aren't predictions that are going out on a ledge. If someone actually bets you, truly believing they will lose those games, then there's something wrong. Conversely, if MU doesn't win both of those, there is something VERY wrong...far more then anyone could have imagined.
When I posed the question last time there were at least a few people who said I was crazy, 0% chance. One poster said 2%.
We'll be an underdog at Xavier. We were an underdog at Georgetown. The chances of going 5-0 in those 5 games is about 5%.
Hell if we take Kenpom's 50% chance to beat X and 78% to beat DePaul, the chances we win both are only 39%.
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It’s not really worth arguing with people who can’t differentiate a mistake, criticism of decision, whatever sanitized term or phrase is found here, from blatant incompetence. There is a big difference. To most, that’s obvious, but that’s obviously elusive to a small percentage who post here incessantly.
Why don’t all of you tell everyone the long list of successful basketball coaches who forgot what the score was at the end of a game.
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It’s not really worth arguing with people who can’t differentiate a mistake, criticism of decision, whatever sanitized term or phrase is found here, from blatant incompetence. There is a big difference. To most, that’s obvious, but that’s obviously elusive to a small percentage who post here incessantly.
Why don’t all of you tell everyone the long list of successful basketball coaches who forgot what the score was at the end of a game.
My God, he made a mistake. If he was incompetent that mistake would have been made countless times.
Last year John Gruden forgot a NFL rule in a game and threw his challenge flag in last two minutes. Cost his team a timeout. Mistakes happen. I’m sure I could spend time and find a bunch, but you have decided to declare a one off mistake as incompetence which is ridiculous,
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My God, he made a mistake. If he was incompetent that mistake would have been made countless times.
Last year John Gruden forgot a NFL rule in a game and threw his challenge flag in last two minutes. Cost his team a timeout. Mistakes happen. I’m sure I could spend time and find a bunch, but you have decided to declare a one off mistake as incompetence which is ridiculous,
And if it were a mistake, you’d find countless examples where it was done by other coaches, instead of your ridiculous attempt at comparison.
Good luck at finding a bunch of other coaches who can’t keep track of score, we’re still waiting for one.
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It would be quite interesting to have him leave, the class blows up and the unicorn that people think is banging down the door to come to MU fails to materialize.....but hey, the students and grumpy alums will be able to say they did it for the program.
Maybe that would finally crystallize where we are in the pantheon for some.
And then what? We’d be irrelevant like now?
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This "soft" MU team that "doesn't play hard" leads the Big East in rebounds per game, is 3rd in free throw attempts per game (0.2 attempts per game behind 2nd), 3rd in blocks per game, and tied for 3rd in defensive field goal percentage.
The only thing soft about Marquette is their fanbase.
Is the team perfect? No. Is the coach perfect? No. Yet they're 26 in KenPom and 25 in the NET rankings. Some people here act like this team is 1-7 in conference play and like the Big East is a mid major.
Some people are worried this is the top of the mountain. Wojo’s accountant thinks it is, Mike Lovell knows it is.
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College students are often entitled and dumb. Most of them will learn, some won't.
I remember when I was a student, Buzz blew a late lead in a game. I'm pretty sure it was on the road at Georgetown. I was apocalyptic after the game. I called and texted anyone who would listen and spammed social media with rants about how Buzz needed to be fired because he couldn't win close games. We ended up with a 3 seed that season.
Maybe we bomb the rest of the season, but the last 4 games have left me thinking more positively about this season than negatively. I think we end up as 6 or 7 seed. If that ends up being the case it would be impossible for Wojo to be fired barring off court issues. I can't think of a single coach in the past 25 years who was fired after earning a top 7 seed in the NCAAs without off the court issues. Demanding his head is illogical at best.
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TAMU
Up with the new baby?
Wojo is not getting fired, barring off court issues. With the guys in the program, biggest off court issue would be a late library book or Theo clanking weights too loudly in the middle of the night. FYI that is the one thing I like about Wojo. If you are going to be mediocre, do it with great guys, not trouble makers.
Based off the expectations outlined for Wojo there is zero basis for any the slightest discussion on job removal. Now, I would argue that the folks that make the expectations are not doing their jobs, but that is completely different argument.
While I am happy to see that MU students care enough about the program to make the signs, it really means little. My gut says that Wojo runs out of town and takes any job he can land. Said it couple of weeks ago, that if I was in his inner circle I would advise him to sprint to any job opening after the season ends.
Lastly, regardless of any argument regarding Wojo, the people he works for feel he is doing a good, very good or great job. Hey, things go could right the next few weeks and Howard pulls a “Kemba”, MU wins the NC and the brass at MU gets the last laugh.
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My God, he made a mistake. If he was incompetent that mistake would have been made countless times.
Last year John Gruden forgot a NFL rule in a game and threw his challenge flag in last two minutes. Cost his team a timeout. Mistakes happen. I’m sure I could spend time and find a bunch, but you have decided to declare a one off mistake as incompetence which is ridiculous,
Great spin, Cheeky. Wojos mistake was a one off. He has made lots of mistakes as coach, although this one forgetting the score was a woozy.
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GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what’s occasional S16 then? Once a decade?
And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a “roll the ball out” coach.
I’m not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey
Putting aside Wojos first season, his regular season results haven’t been that drastically different than Buzz. The difference is Buzz got some wins in the NCAAT, including a S16 run as an 11 seed. The elite 8 run was a miracle away from losing in the first round as a 3 seed. I obviously want NCAA success, but it’s a crapshoot.
I also don’t think MU can do meaningfully better than Wojo.
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C'mon man...neither of your two proclamations are very bold. In the first instance that I bolded, MU played SJU, Georgetown and Xavier...not exactly a who's who of College basketball. That isn't exactly Nostradamus level predictions right there.
In this current instance, you want someone to bet you that they will beat Xavier and Depaul?? C'mon man! Again, those aren't predictions that are going out on a ledge. If someone actually bets you, truly believing they will lose those games, then there's something wrong. Conversely, if MU doesn't win both of those, there is something VERY wrong...far more then anyone could have imagined.
This fuc**n guy
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Putting aside Wojos first season, his regular season results haven’t been that drastically different than Buzz. The difference is Buzz got some wins in the NCAAT, including a S16 run as an 11 seed. The elite 8 run was a miracle away from losing in the first round as a 3 seed. I obviously want NCAA success, but it’s a crapshoot.
I also don’t think MU can do meaningfully better than Wojo.
Our regular season's under Buzz were much better than under Wojo. I posted this somewhere, but Buzz performed much better against tougher schedules. Up until this year, Wojo only had two wins in five seasons against teams that ended the year KenPom top 20.
And Marquette HAS done better than Wojo. 3 of our last 4 coaches were better than him.
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And what is with the signs in the dorms of "Wojo is a cuck"? Isn't that a right wing meme to disparage your opponent?
It’s definitely been associated with the alt-right and it’s 1000x more tasteless than the fire Wojo display.
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I think Joe put it really well on Scrambled Eggs two episodes ago. How long do you keep going on potential? That’s what has been the thing keeping the hope alive for Wojo. What if we get to 10 years on this cycle and look back and say, “Wow, we haven’t won much of anything.” What’s the cutoff point?
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Putting aside Wojos first season, his regular season results haven’t been that drastically different than Buzz. The difference is Buzz got some wins in the NCAAT, including a S16 run as an 11 seed. The elite 8 run was a miracle away from losing in the first round as a 3 seed. I obviously want NCAA success, but it’s a crapshoot.
I also don’t think MU can do meaningfully better than Wojo.
Syracuse, Ucon, ND, Louisville, Pitt, Cincinnati, West Virginia. The old Big east was a meat grinder and Buzz still had better records.
Your last sentence is very concerning to me. There is a portion of the fan base that's ok settling for mediocrity. Maybe they need to become Billiken fans.
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I think Joe put it really well on Scrambled Eggs two episodes ago. How long do you keep going on potential? That’s what has been the thing keeping the hope alive for Wojo. What if we get to 10 years on this cycle and look back and say, “Wow, we haven’t won much of anything.” What’s the cutoff point?
He's going to get at least two more years after this one. At that point, MU either has to extended him for recruiting purposes or there is going to be a mutual understanding that he needs to look elsewhere. Unless his contract has a real friendly buy out clause, there is zero chance he actually gets fired before then.
But you have captured my exact issue with his tenure. First, it was the potential of Henry - which didn't amount to much. Then the potential of Howard and the Hausers - which won't amount to much either. Now its the potential of Garcia, Lewis and possibly Mane. No offense but history is telling me that I probably will be disappointed by that as well.
And its not as though my standards are sky high here. Comptetive team in conference. Second weekend in March. That's achievable for this program. I'm not looking to become Nova or Gonzaga right now.
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Don't worry, Marquette isn't getting Mane. He's been reading what entitled pieces of work some MU fans are and is taking his talents elsewhere.
Fragile
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Would fans be happy with Mick Cronin? Because that’s who UCLA ended up with, and they’re head and shoulders the better program.
Lol UCLA’s search and program are a mess and these would be completely different searches.
But please, continue to go chicken little.
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Don't worry, Marquette isn't getting Mane. He's been reading what entitled pieces of work some MU fans are and is taking his talents elsewhere.
Yeeeaah. No other college fan bases act entitled on message boards.
The pearl clutching on here about Wojo criticism is ridiculous. Bill Self has people calling for his head every year on the radio (and this was before the fight and Adidas scandal). EVERY YEAR...in a career that includes a run of 12 straight conference titles.
But god forbid Marquette fans think it’s time to try something else after 6 years and no NCAA wins.
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Syracuse, Ucon, ND, Louisville, Pitt, Cincinnati, West Virginia. The old Big east was a meat grinder and Buzz still had better records.
Your last sentence is very concerning to me. There is a portion of the fan base that's ok settling for mediocrity. Maybe they need to become Billiken fans.
I think there is also a portion of the fan base that is completely delusional and thinks Marquette is Duke.
Marquette is nice program in a great league. Probably a top 25 job and program. Marquette is never going to be perennial ncaa champion contenders. The sooner some people come to grips with that, the better.
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TAMU
Up with the new baby?
Wojo is not getting fired, barring off court issues. With the guys in the program, biggest off court issue would be a late library book or Theo clanking weights too loudly in the middle of the night. FYI that is the one thing I like about Wojo. If you are going to be mediocre, do it with great guys, not trouble makers.
Based off the expectations outlined for Wojo there is zero basis for any the slightest discussion on job removal. Now, I would argue that the folks that make the expectations are not doing their jobs, but that is completely different argument.
While I am happy to see that MU students care enough about the program to make the signs, it really means little. My gut says that Wojo runs out of town and takes any job he can land. Said it couple of weeks ago, that if I was in his inner circle I would advise him to sprint to any job opening after the season ends.
Lastly, regardless of any argument regarding Wojo, the people he works for feel he is doing a good, very good or great job. Hey, things go could right the next few weeks and Howard pulls a “Kemba”, MU wins the NC and the brass at MU gets the last laugh.
Nice level headed analysis goose guy!
Here’s a question for ya’ll-who would ya rather have Bobby Hurley or wojo? Or neither?
Hurley is 125-82 overall with 3 dance invitations
Wojo is 111-75 an NIT invite and 2 big dance invites
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Bad look students. Say whatever on here, 247 etc but that a bad look in the windows
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Bad look students. Say whatever on here, 247 etc but that a bad look in the windows
I’m sure it didn’t last longer than a few hours.
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Wojo can make this type of stuff stop happening by winning something of consequence on a big stage. He has ample opportunity ahead of him this season with a senior All-American and guys 2-8/9/10 that are beginning to gel. He's a big boy, making $2mil to produce. Win a conference title, make a deep run in the BET, or win a NCAA tourney game and land Mane and this will be a fart in the wind.
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Nice level headed analysis goose guy!
Here’s a question for ya’ll-who would ya rather have Bobby Hurley or wojo? Or neither?
Hurley is 125-82 overall with 3 dance invitations
Wojo is 111-75 an NIT invite and 2 big dance invites
You have to argue Hurley. He's done more with less and has been able to attract some decent talent to a largely irrelevant school in the pantheon of college basketball. Hurley has made Buffalo a much better place than what it was before and is continually #1 in his conference for recruiting. It makes you wonder how much his recruiting could improve at a bigger basketball program.
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You have to argue Hurley. He's done more with less and has been able to attract some decent talent to a largely irrelevant school in the pantheon of college basketball. Hurley has made Buffalo a much better place than what it was before and is continually #1 in his conference for recruiting. It makes you wonder how much his recruiting could improve at a bigger basketball program.
Yeah, Hurley is the coach at Arizona State.......
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You have to argue Hurley. He's done more with less and has been able to attract some decent talent to a largely irrelevant school in the pantheon of college basketball. Hurley has made Buffalo a much better place than what it was before and is continually #1 in his conference for recruiting. It makes you wonder how much his recruiting could improve at a bigger basketball program.
You realize he's at ASU now and has been for five years right? And they're significantly worse than us this year.
If you're arguing for Nate Oats, who just left Buffalo for Alabama, then I'm there with you.
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TAMU
Up with the new baby?
Wojo is not getting fired, barring off court issues. With the guys in the program, biggest off court issue would be a late library book or Theo clanking weights too loudly in the middle of the night. FYI that is the one thing I like about Wojo. If you are going to be mediocre, do it with great guys, not trouble makers.
Based off the expectations outlined for Wojo there is zero basis for any the slightest discussion on job removal. Now, I would argue that the folks that make the expectations are not doing their jobs, but that is completely different argument.
While I am happy to see that MU students care enough about the program to make the signs, it really means little. My gut says that Wojo runs out of town and takes any job he can land. Said it couple of weeks ago, that if I was in his inner circle I would advise him to sprint to any job opening after the season ends.
Lastly, regardless of any argument regarding Wojo, the people he works for feel he is doing a good, very good or great job. Hey, things go could right the next few weeks and Howard pulls a “Kemba”, MU wins the NC and the brass at MU gets the last laugh.
Wojo is not going to voluntarily leave Marquette for a lesser job for the purposes of job security. Not happening.
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Wojo is not going to voluntarily leave Marquette for a lesser job for the purposes of job security. Not happening.
I think he would move laterally or to a comparable or better conference if he starts feeling heat. Similar to Buzz albeit different circumstance. He's not to that point yet.
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Yup, he screwed up and OWNED it. If he hadn’t then I would be worried. Not the reason we lost the game, but you are correct he screwed up and he owned it multiple times. Do you want him to crucify himself?
Woj is too far into this job and is too highly paid to make elementary school coaching errors like this, hey?
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Our regular season's under Buzz were much better than under Wojo. I posted this somewhere, but Buzz performed much better against tougher schedules. Up until this year, Wojo only had two wins in five seasons against teams that ended the year KenPom top 20.
And Marquette HAS done better than Wojo. 3 of our last 4 coaches were better than him.
Think the bolded are the strongest cases for moving on from Wojo. I question if we will win a game this year against an end of year Top 20 Ken Pom - which moves that stat out to two wins in six seasons against end of year KenPom Top 20.
Could we do worse than Wojo, definitely. Could we do better? If results of past 30 years of coaching hires are predictive, 75% chance we could do better.
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Lol UCLA’s search and program are a mess and these would be completely different searches.
But please, continue to go chicken little.
So you’re on record here thinking we’d get a coach that is more sought after than Mick Cronin when we next hire a coach? Or will zone in on one coach from the start and end up with that coach?
Okay. I wholeheartedly disagree, but we’ll see. I hope you’re right!
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So you’re on record here thinking we’d get a coach that is more sought after than Mick Cronin when we next hire a coach? Or will zone in on one coach from the start and end up with that coach?
Okay. I wholeheartedly disagree, but we’ll see. I hope you’re right!
That's why you have to go with an up and comer who's new at a program, but is already making significant changes. Typically taking a mid major to the NCAA tourney in his first 3+ years is a decent indicator.
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Putting aside Wojos first season, his regular season results haven’t been that drastically different than Buzz. The difference is Buzz got some wins in the NCAAT, including a S16 run as an 11 seed. The elite 8 run was a miracle away from losing in the first round as a 3 seed. I obviously want NCAA success, but it’s a crapshoot.
I also don’t think MU can do meaningfully better than Wojo.
I'm sorry...and I don't mean this specifically at you, because I see this refrain CONSTANTLY from people here and it royally PISSES me off. They CAN do better. First of all I'm not saying they WOULD(that's a mistake not doing it IMO), but if MU really WANTED to...for the right Coach, they could find the right amount of $$ to throw at almost anyone..Secondly, I think this is the right time to repost this link....
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-which-school-is-the-most-underrated-job-in-college-basketball/
On Marquette
"The Marquette job, the resources are out of this world and they want to be really good. The facilities are getting even better and the brand new arena helps too. If you have even close to being good the support shows up too."
"Loyal, passionate fan base. Great tradition. No football. Pro city and they invest big time in hoops."
"Huge budget, passionate fans, NBA facility, history of pros, recruiting base but can recruit nationally."
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Woj is too far into this job and is too highly paid to make elementary school coaching errors like this, hey?
That's an insult to elementary school coaches.
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And then what? We’d be irrelevant like now?
We’re irrelevant now? Weird that every game is on national television and 17000 people come to our games for being “irrelevant”. Who knew. Or being ahead of Michigan, Virginia, Auburn, Florida, Syracuse, Memphis, Oklahoma, etc etc etc...are they all irrelevant? LOL
But hey, I hope we can get Mick Cronin to save the day....did Sultan fall and have an accident to his brain?
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We’re irrelevant now? Weird that every game is on national television and 17000 people come to our games for being “irrelevant”. Who knew. Or being ahead of Michigan, Virginia, Auburn, Florida, Syracuse, Memphis, Oklahoma, etc etc etc...are they all irrelevant? LOL
But hey, I hope we can get Mick Cronin to save the day....did Sultan fall and have an accident to his brain?
You clearly haven’t been to many games if you think 17,000 are showing up regularly. I think student/young alumni engagement is going to be a real issue for mubb in the coming years if things don’t turn around.
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Wojo can make this type of stuff stop happening by winning something of consequence on a big stage. He has ample opportunity ahead of him this season with a senior All-American and guys 2-8/9/10 that are beginning to gel. He's a big boy, making $2mil to produce. Win a conference title, make a deep run in the BET, or win a NCAA tourney game and land Mane and this will be a fart in the wind.
Bingo! This is 100% perfectly stated. Want everyone to stop complaining?? Win games of consequence...the very exact things up top that you list, would shut all of us up. It's really that simple. I would love nothing more then to have to shut up about it, believe me.
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Bingo! This is 100% perfectly stated. Want everyone to stop complaining?? Win games of consequence...the very exact things up top that you list, would shut all of us up. It's really that simple. I would love nothing more then to have to shut up about it, believe me.
There's nothing in the coaching profile to indicate this would happen. Best chance is an outlier, statistically.
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Woj is too far into this job and is too highly paid to make elementary school coaching errors like this, hey?
I see dentists, doctors, lawyers, sports marketers, etc, etc make “elementary” mistakes 20 years into their careers as a one off because they are human. It was a giant screw up. It wasn’t why we lost. In fact we made it to OT tied, which is where we were when the foul happened. He owned it.
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I see dentists, doctors, lawyers, sports marketers, etc, etc make “elementary” mistakes 20 years into their careers as a one off because they are human. It was a giant screw up. It wasn’t why we lost. In fact we made it to OT tied, which is where we were when the foul happened. He owned it.
Okay, well then he owes the fans and players one then. What I mean is, now they have to go out and win one because of a GREAT Coaching adjustment he makes in game(for longer than one possession). Wouldn't that be something??
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I'm sorry...and I don't mean this specifically at you, because I see this refrain CONSTANTLY from people here and it royally PISSES me off. They CAN do better. First of all I'm not saying they WOULD(that's a mistake not doing it IMO), but if MU really WANTED to...for the right Coach, they could find the right amount of $$ to throw at almost anyone..Secondly, I think this is the right time to repost this link....
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-which-school-is-the-most-underrated-job-in-college-basketball/
On Marquette
"The Marquette job, the resources are out of this world and they want to be really good. The facilities are getting even better and the brand new arena helps too. If you have even close to being good the support shows up too."
"Loyal, passionate fan base. Great tradition. No football. Pro city and they invest big time in hoops."
"Huge budget, passionate fans, NBA facility, history of pros, recruiting base but can recruit nationally."
Please give me the list of coaches who you feel would be a dramatic upgrade and would accept the job.
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Bingo! This is 100% perfectly stated. Want everyone to stop complaining?? Win games of consequence...the very exact things up top that you list, would shut all of us up. It's really that simple. I would love nothing more then to have to shut up about it, believe me.
B U L L S H I T
Just as Al McGuire said, the expectations just get stupider. Crean went to a Final Four, did that stop any of you from giving a pass when we went to the NIT the next two years? Absolutely not....it turned up the juice. You guys are ridiculous with your memories and I am concerned for your health based on the lack of memories you have.
"I hate everything about this job except the games," McGuire says. "Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me. I don't know why exactly. Maybe it's the fear, the fear of then having to repeat. You win once, then they expect you to win again.
"Wait'll you see what happens to Bobby Knight now that he's won. On the other hand, I found out when I got those two technicals in the NCAA finals that people sympathized with me for making an ass out of myself. I get 35 million people looking at me, I can't help it, I immediately become an ass. People relate to that”
Al McGuire 1976
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Wojo can make this type of stuff stop happening by winning something of consequence on a big stage. He has ample opportunity ahead of him this season with a senior All-American and guys 2-8/9/10 that are beginning to gel. He's a big boy, making $2mil to produce. Win a conference title, make a deep run in the BET, or win a NCAA tourney game and land Mane and this will be a fart in the wind.
Well since he cannot do that until March why don’t you wait until the opportunity presents itself again then?
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B U L L S H I T
Just as Al McGuire said, the expectations just get stupider. Crean went to a Final Four, did that stop any of you from giving a pass when we went to the NIT the next two years? Absolutely not....it turned up the juice. You guys are ridiculous with your memories and I am concerned for your health based on the lack of memories you have.
"I hate everything about this job except the games," McGuire says. "Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me. I don't know why exactly. Maybe it's the fear, the fear of then having to repeat. You win once, then they expect you to win again.
"Wait'll you see what happens to Bobby Knight now that he's won. On the other hand, I found out when I got those two technicals in the NCAA finals that people sympathized with me for making an ass out of myself. I get 35 million people looking at me, I can't help it, I immediately become an ass. People relate to that”
Lots of selective memory from this fan base. I was a freshman Buzz’s first year so I don’t have the history many of you have with the program. But it’s not like the previous 20 years outside of the final 4 season Marquette was this national power.
I want Marquette to win. I want them to be a perennial top 10 team. We all want the same thing. I just don’t think the grass is always greener. Could MU fire Wojo and hire a coach that had a better 6 year run than he did? Sure. It could also be a disaster. But Wojo is building something. The program the last 4 seasons including this has been strong. The ncaa results haven’t been there, but I’m not losing my crap over 2 games, even if they’ve been very forgettable performances.
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I see dentists, doctors, lawyers, sports marketers, etc, etc make “elementary” mistakes 20 years into their careers as a one off because they are human. It was a giant screw up. It wasn’t why we lost. In fact we made it to OT tied, which is where we were when the foul happened. He owned it.
Maybe we should him for malpractice then, hey?
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B U L L S H I T
Just as Al McGuire said, the expectations just get stupider. Crean went to a Final Four, did that stop any of you from giving a pass when we went to the NIT the next two years? Absolutely not....it turned up the juice. You guys are ridiculous with your memories and I am concerned for your health based on the lack of memories you have.
"I hate everything about this job except the games," McGuire says. "Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me. I don't know why exactly. Maybe it's the fear, the fear of then having to repeat. You win once, then they expect you to win again.
"Wait'll you see what happens to Bobby Knight now that he's won. On the other hand, I found out when I got those two technicals in the NCAA finals that people sympathized with me for making an ass out of myself. I get 35 million people looking at me, I can't help it, I immediately become an ass. People relate to that”
“BULLSHAT. BULLSHAT. BULLSHAT.”
First, that McGuire quote is like the Roy Williams one from a couple weeks ago where he said he thought he should be fired. Only the winningest coaches can say stuff like “winning isn’t all that important to me” and get away with it. If Wojo said that after the Butler game, he’d have more than just the students calling him a cuck.
Second, I think guru’s post was a salient one. Wojo needs to win something of consequence. Are you saying he doesn’t need to, or that it doesn’t matter to you? Sure, there are some radicals who’ll criticize him no matter what. But the vast majority of his critics will at least be quieted for a while if he wins something tangible.
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Bingo! This is 100% perfectly stated. Want everyone to stop complaining?? Win games of consequence...the very exact things up top that you list, would shut all of us up. It's really that simple. I would love nothing more then to have to shut up about it, believe me.
Winning games of consequence (more than 1 a year), making a deep run in BET, and/or winning regular season conference crown, getting into the dance consistently and winning some games, 22-24 wins per year are all areas that Wojo has not done consistently, but would shut most people up. He has all the tools/resources to do these things....except ability to get it done. Five plus years of practice at it, it must start now. Losing key players, bench coaching blunders/adjustments and general mediocrity are not getting the right results.
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I see dentists, doctors, lawyers, sports marketers, etc, etc make “elementary” mistakes 20 years into their careers as a one off because they are human. It was a giant screw up. It wasn’t why we lost. In fact we made it to OT tied, which is where we were when the foul happened. He owned it.
Love the "one off" spin. C'mon Cheeky, you have to make better excuses than that.
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Winning games of consequence (more than 1 a year), making a deep run in BET, and/or winning regular season conference crown, getting into the dance consistently and winning some games, 22-24 wins per year are all areas that Wojo has not done consistently, but would shut most people up. He has all the tools/resources to do these things....except ability to get it done. Five plus years of practice at it, it must start now. Losing key players, bench coaching blunders/adjustments and general mediocrity are not getting the right results.
After the bid that will almost certainly come this year, Wojo for the most part has done all of that outside of NCAA wins. Obviously that’s the most important part, but how about we see how this tournament goes before we declare 0-2 means he’s unable to win games in March as a head coach.
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After the bid that will almost certainly come this year, Wojo for the most part has done all of that outside of NCAA wins. Obviously that’s the most important part, but how about we see how this tournament goes before we declare 0-2 means he’s unable to win games in March as a head coach.
Winning a game vs. one of the worst fields in NCAA history is going to give Wojo his free pass?
Again....more low expectations.
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This is flat out embarrassing for our fans and program. What good does it do to boo Wojo or put up “Fire Wojo” signs on campus? The Administration doesn’t care about your opinion. If anything, this will make our program look bad to everyone, including future recruits. Just plain stupidity.
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This student sign and any booing at games is disheartening. I'm not getting into the eternal back and forth but I think Wojo is the best coach out there for our program. The best. I'm satisfied with the results and trajectory of the program as well as the image. He is the most likely to build the program and stay long term. Stupid stunts like this make me shake my head.
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25th.
25th out of 347.
After losing two solid contributors last year. After all the Scoopers saying “season is over!” “Hausers are gone! We are gonna suck!” “This coach sucks”.
We are 25th. Out of 347.
Y’all can keep whining. And keep posting in your negative threads. But I’m proud of the guys giving their all. 25th. Out of 347. And well in the NCAA tourney if season ended today.
Half of you In this thread only post when we lose.
And almost all the students and a lot of scoopers think we suck unless we are on ESPN with a number by our name.
The butler loss stings. But we were expected to lose it. SHOULD HAVE WON but we didn’t. i hate it too. But firing the coach who is actually doing pretty well. Not a smart idea.
Also. Who would you want to get? Half the people here wanted Cuonzo, Howland, or Shaka. How’s that working out for them so far?
25th today. Out of 347. After a lot of people said the season was over cause we lost the hausers. Wusses.
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Winning a game vs. one of the worst fields in NCAA history is going to give Wojo his free pass?
Again....more low expectations.
Nothing he does will change your mind. Your opinion is completely irrelevant to me. In fact, have no idea why I haven’t blocked you yet.
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Okay, well then he owes the fans and players one then. What I mean is, now they have to go out and win one because of a GREAT Coaching adjustment he makes in game(for longer than one possession). Wouldn't that be something??
This is the very definition of entitled. And it’s utter nonsense.
Get it through your head that he doesn’t owe you, or any other fan, anything.
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25th.
25th out of 347.
After losing two solid contributors last year. After all the Scoopers saying “season is over!” “Hausers are gone! We are gonna suck!” “This coach sucks”.
We are 25th. Out of 347.
Y’all can keep whining. And keep posting in your negative threads. But I’m proud of the guys giving their all. 25th. Out of 347. And well in the NCAA tourney if season ended today.
Half of you In this thread only post when we lose.
And almost all the students and a lot of scoopers think we suck unless we are on ESPN with a number by our name.
The butler loss stings. But we were expected to lose it. SHOULD HAVE WON but we didn’t. i hate it too. But firing the coach who is actually doing pretty well. Not a smart idea.
Also. Who would you want to get? Half the people here wanted Cuonzo, Howland, or Shaka. How’s that working out for them so far?
25th today. Out of 347. After a lot of people said the season was over cause we lost the hausers. Wusses.
Exactly. People are acting like we are sub-100. People are asking if it’s too much to ask to be competitive in the BE. How is “competing in the BE” being defined? We finished in 2nd, 1 game behind first last year. I’d consider that competing, but apparently some don’t.
If you want/expect a second weekend NCAA team every year, you’re not going to get that. We’ve been to the second weekend 5 times in the last 41 seasons. That’s 1 every 8 years. You should’ve jumped off a long time ago if you expect that to be a normal occurrence.
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Winning a game vs. one of the worst fields in NCAA history is going to give Wojo his free pass?
Again....more low expectations.
Be honest, what school do you really cheer for? What Uw extension did you attend?
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Winning a game vs. one of the worst fields in NCAA history is going to give Wojo his free pass?
Again....more low expectations.
So first it's he hasn't won in March then it'd be Wojo only wins the easy March games? Honestly just admit you won't be happy till Wojo is out.
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25th.
25th out of 347.
After losing two solid contributors last year. After all the Scoopers saying “season is over!” “Hausers are gone! We are gonna suck!” “This coach sucks”.
We are 25th. Out of 347.
Y’all can keep whining. And keep posting in your negative threads. But I’m proud of the guys giving their all. 25th. Out of 347. And well in the NCAA tourney if season ended today.
Half of you In this thread only post when we lose.
And almost all the students and a lot of scoopers think we suck unless we are on ESPN with a number by our name.
The butler loss stings. But we were expected to lose it. SHOULD HAVE WON but we didn’t. i hate it too. But firing the coach who is actually doing pretty well. Not a smart idea.
Also. Who would you want to get? Half the people here wanted Cuonzo, Howland, or Shaka. How’s that working out for them so far?
25th today. Out of 347. After a lot of people said the season was over cause we lost the hausers. Wusses.
Not to nitpick, but 353 schools.....25th out of 353.
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This is the very definition of entitled. And it’s utter nonsense.
Get it through your head that he doesn’t owe you, or any other fan, anything.
BINGO
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fjm
Do you think we are the 25th best team in the country? I understand this a whacky college ball season, but there are a lot more than 24 teams that we would have a “loss penciled in” and touting a close loss.
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I love having the IGNORE feature ! ! ! It really makes short/quick reading on these threads ! ! ! Don't have to read all the total BS... I know some of you do the Quote/Copy paste, but I can still IGNORE them ! ! ! 8-)
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I love having the IGNORE feature ! ! ! It really makes short/quick reading on these threads ! ! ! Don't have to read all the total BS... I know some of you do the Quote/Copy paste, but I can still IGNORE them ! ! ! 8-)
Cancel Culture At Its Finest
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https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/1221280886018248704?s=20
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fjm
Do you think we are the 25th best team in the country? I understand this a whacky college ball season, but there are a lot more than 24 teams that we would have a “loss penciled in” and touting a close loss.
Yes, I do. Name 24 better in this season. There is a reason why so many ratings programs put us where they do, because they aren’t clouded with expectations, bias or on,y focus on the last 24 hours. They view it in totality.
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Cheeks
You are the best!!
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I love having the IGNORE feature ! ! ! It really makes short/quick reading on these threads ! ! ! Don't have to read all the total BS... I know some of you do the Quote/Copy paste, but I can still IGNORE them ! ! ! 8-)
Only problem with totally ignoring is that the nonsense goes totally unchallenged when a lot of it needs challenging.
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Nah, they aren't worth it ! ! ! The ones I have on IGNORE are the idiots who only come around after losses and have the answer for EVERYTHING. I can discuss and view the more rational discussions and comments as I wish ! ! ! 8-)
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Cheeks
You are the best!!
Thanks....can you name 24 better?
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Exactly. People are acting like we are sub-100. People are asking if it’s too much to ask to be competitive in the BE. How is “competing in the BE” being defined? We finished in 2nd, 1 game behind first last year. I’d consider that competing, but apparently some don’t.
If you want/expect a second weekend NCAA team every year, you’re not going to get that. We’ve been to the second weekend 5 times in the last 41 seasons. That’s 1 every 8 years. You should’ve jumped off a long time ago if you expect that to be a normal occurrence.
Wades - I agree that some of the angst is overblown right now. We are doing pretty well considering the loss of the Hausers. The team is fun to watch. They play hard. But, the bolded is a stretch. I could just as easily pose the question: How many of those 2nd weekend appearances happened in the 5 years prior to Wojo taking over the "empty cupboard" program?
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https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/1221280886018248704?s=20
Stan’s tweets are nothing but a bunch of “inspirational” gobbledygook. I’ll try my hand at writing one now:
“Improvement doesn’t come from the outside. Look yourself in the mirror, work hard every day, and don’t let others tell you what you can’t do. When you want it bad enough, anything is possible.”
It’s easy to sound deep when you’re not saying anything specific. Which, come to think of it, *also* sounds like a Stan tweet!
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Cheeks
At the moment, five alone in our conference, based off your thinking. Does that number go higher over the next seven days?
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Stan’s tweets are nothing but a bunch of “inspirational” gobbledygook. I’ll try my hand at writing one now:
“Improvement doesn’t come from the outside. Look yourself in the mirror, work hard every day, and don’t let others tell you what you can’t do. When you want it bad enough, anything is possible.”
It’s easy to sound deep when you’re not saying anything specific. Which, come to think of it, *also* sounds like a Stan tweet!
To each their own, I like that he is calling out people which he clearly is.
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Cheeks
At the moment, five alone in our conference, based off your thinking. Does that number go higher over the next seven days?
In our own conference we haven’t played everyone, let alone home and away. Incomplete schedule. We lost to Creighton....I’ll bet you we beat them at home...same for Butler. Just two examples.
It will ultimately matter at the end of the year when the balanced schedule is completed....right?
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Stan’s tweets are nothing but a bunch of “inspirational” gobbledygook. I’ll try my hand at writing one now:
“Improvement doesn’t come from the outside. Look yourself in the mirror, work hard every day, and don’t let others tell you what you can’t do. When you want it bad enough, anything is possible.”
It’s easy to sound deep when you’re not saying anything specific. Which, come to think of it, *also* sounds like a Stan tweet!
Anyone else catch Stan’s look of total bewilderment after Bailey fouled? It was a priceless expression and said it all.
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Not to nitpick, but 353 schools.....25th out of 353.
Around 300 of them we should be better than even in our worst years. Sorry that I don’t compare us to a SWAC or A-Sun program.
We’ve been embarrassed by two second level Big Ten teams. Our best non con win was against an ok USC team, ranked 51 in KenPom.
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Around 300 of them we should be better than even in our worst years. Sorry that I don’t compare us to a SWAC or A-Sun program.
We’ve been embarrassed by two second level Big Ten teams. Our best non con win was against an ok USC team, ranked 51 in KenPom.
I don’t disagree, but the 347 number was inaccurate.
Why are you mentioning the USC win at 51 when we also beat Purdue who is ranked 20th?
Maryland is currently ranked 9th and 4th place in the Big Ten, I didn’t realize that made them second level team.
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End of the day, right now we are 30 in the country. I tend to feel 30ish will be the ceiling for Wojo as a coach, but if he can keep it there, get us to an occasional Sweet 16, thats good enough for me.
Sad.
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Sad.
1970’s....it was good to be alive.
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I don’t disagree, but the 347 number was inaccurate.
Why are you mentioning the USC win at 51 when we also beat Purdue who is ranked 20th?
Maryland is currently ranked 9th and 4th place in the Big Ten, I didn’t realize that made them second level team.
I think he was talking about the Badgers.
Purdue is 20th in Kenpom, but do you honestly think they’re the 20th best team in the country? I’ve watched them several times this year and think they’re mediocre. They don’t have any standout players and their half court offense vs Marquette was abysmal. I think they’ll struggle to make the tournament.
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GROSS. Happy with 6-8 seeds and an occasional S16 when we have the facilities, budget, history, and conference we do? When our previous coach made 3 consecutive S16s. That sort of complacency kills programs. Year 6 of maddening inconsistency and no tournament wins, what’s occasional S16 then? Once a decade?
And Wojo has shown himself to be a good recruiter. But you need to string together multiple Top 10 classes to dream of tournament success with a “roll the ball out” coach.
I’m not suggesting Wojo he fired immediately, but justifying performances like last night away with that kind of perspective is cringey
Wags
As you well know, Wojo is paid millions of dollars to do what he does. I think it's very fair to ask are we getting the ROI we expect for that investment.
Someone suggested the student signs would "hurt" Wojo's feelings. What that poster needs to know is that Wojo couldn't give a damn about the feelings of any student. And no student should give a damn about the feelings of a guy getting paid millions to manage teenaged boys running around in underwear.
I am with you - Wojo is paid millions and been given a platform which from a resources and heritage stand point should be a springboard for sustained success. To date there has been no success. The shareholders deserve better.
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I don’t disagree, but the 347 number was inaccurate.
Why are you mentioning the USC win at 51 when we also beat Purdue who is ranked 20th?
Maryland is currently ranked 9th and 4th place in the Big Ten, I didn’t realize that made them second level team.
Purdue isn’t that good and won’t make the dance. Under .500 in conference. Numbers don't reflect their mediocrity. Outside of the MSU game, their best wins are against teams now firmly on the Bible.
Maryland is second level in the Big Ten. Watching them against Indiana right now. They aren’t going to win the conference. That’s second level to me.
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fjm
Do you think we are the 25th best team in the country? I understand this a whacky college ball season, but there are a lot more than 24 teams that we would have a “loss penciled in” and touting a close loss.
I think we are probably 30th to be completely honest. So I get what you are saying.
Here is my question. What rating should we be using?
Some here would have said later year we weren’t as good as our AP poll rating at times. Some would say our NET rating or our KenPom ratings aren’t right. So what rating system should we be using?
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Purdue isn’t that good and won’t make the dance. Under .500 in conference. Numbers don't reflect their mediocrity. Outside of the MSU game, their best wins are against teams now firmly on the Bible.
Maryland is second level in the Big Ten. Watching them against Indiana right now. They aren’t going to win the conference. That’s second level to me.
Purdue may not make it, but if you are going to cherry pick and say USC is our best win with 51st ranking, you don’t get to ignore the 20 by Purdue.
So is the Big Ten the winner of the conference 1st level, everyone else is second level? I’m not sure that is what you are saying, so can you clarify?
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So first it's he hasn't won in March then it'd be Wojo only wins the easy March games? Honestly just admit you won't be happy till Wojo is out.
He/she isn't the only one.
I'm guessing a few are trolls, a couple are Buzzites, and several are Hauser loyalists. They expose themselves after every loss. Their hatred and biases toward Wojo are obvious to a rational mind.
They're all going to have to suck eggs because Wojo isn't going anywhere.
You don't get to be defensive player of the year by giving up.
Everything has been leading to this year and the next. The Hausers leaving threw a wrench into this year and Marquette is still competing. Next year, IF Mane decides to commit, things could get very interesting.
Do some idyits think Wojo is going to get fired or leave when Marquette is still contending this year and will field another strong team next year???
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Wags
As you well know, Wojo is paid millions of dollars to do what he does. I think it's very fair to ask are we getting the ROI we expect for that investment.
Someone suggested the student signs would "hurt" Wojo's feelings. What that poster needs to know is that Wojo couldn't give a damn about the feelings of any student. And no student should give a damn about the feelings of a guy getting paid millions to manage teenaged boys running around in underwear.
I am with you - Wojo is paid millions and been given a platform which from a resources and heritage stand point should be a springboard for sustained success. To date there has been no success. The shareholders deserve better.
Where have u been. I thought u were dead
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I love the NoJos. “You can’t count Purdue because they are overrated. You can’t count USC because they stink. So when you take away the Nova (I assume that was what was meant, not “MSU”), MU hasn’t beat anyone!”
Yeah. No sheot. If you write off every good win a team has, they haven’t won anything. What a revelation!
Try to write them off all you want. MU is 3-5 in Q1 games and 5-0 in Q2 games. If it helps you feel better to dismiss the quality wins the team you claim to be a fan of has, so be it.
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He/she isn't the only one.
I'm guessing a few are trolls, a couple are Buzzites, and several are Hauser loyalists. They expose themselves after every loss. Their hatred and biases toward Wojo are obvious to a rational mind.
They're all going to have to suck eggs because Wojo isn't going anywhere.
You don't get to be defensive player of the year by giving up.
Everything has been leading to this year and the next. The Hausers leaving threw a wrench into this year and Marquette is still competing. Next year, IF Mane decides to commit, things could get very interesting.
Do some idyits think Wojo is going to get fired or leave when Marquette is still contending this year and will field another strong team next year???
A few are Badger fans...that stuff isn’t tolerated at al on Badger boards...they weed that out quickly. Yes, I have no doubt some are Hauserites, some hate Duke and Wojo from years gone past, some are stuck in a different century, and some still think it’s going to be an easy change and just hire someone else. God Bless them all.
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Where have u been. I thought u were dead
I had heard the mods killed him....welcome back Keefe.
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This is why I never buy the "I'm not upset we lost, I'm upset we got blown out" argument after games like Maryland and Creighton. It doesn't matter if we get blown out, or lose in OT on the road to one of the top teams in conference. Honestly, I think those close losses often feel worse.
You can come out of a loss encouraged, and you can come out of a win with concerns. It's an important skill to be able to look at more than the final score when evaluating a team's performance. We had a colossally bad 2.5 minutes to end that game. The fact that we could have that bad of a 2.5 minutes and lose in OT means that the rest of the game was played very well. Keep the good, learn from the bad. I'm still feeling 6-4 or 7-3 to finish the season with a 5-7 seed at the end.
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TAMU
Up with the new baby?
Yep. Like her dad she is a night owl. Practically sleeps from 6am-12am straight and then is wide awake from 12:01-6am
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He/she isn't the only one.
I'm guessing a few are trolls, a couple are Buzzites, and several are Hauser loyalists. They expose themselves after every loss. Their hatred and biases toward Wojo are obvious to a rational mind.
They're all going to have to suck eggs because Wojo isn't going anywhere.
You don't get to be defensive player of the year by giving up.
Everything has been leading to this year and the next. The Hausers leaving threw a wrench into this year and Marquette is still competing. Next year, IF Mane decides to commit, things could get very interesting.
Do some idyits think Wojo is going to get fired or leave when Marquette is still contending this year and will field another strong team next year???
Preach. However, you failed to add: or being unwilling to slap the floor.
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Purdue may not make it, but if you are going to cherry pick and say USC is our best win with 51st ranking, you don’t get to ignore the 20 by Purdue.
So is the Big Ten the winner of the conference 1st level, everyone else is second level? I’m not sure that is what you are saying, so can you clarify?
Do you think Purdue is actually #20? I’d wager USC over Purdue if they met. Purdue is being inflated by wins against two teams who are not as good was thought. Plus, SC was a neutral site win.
Remember, Maryland lost to Powell-less Seton Hall. That makes them second level BT (after MSU) in my opinion.
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Preach. However, you failed to add: or being unwilling to slap the floor.
Look, there's one now.
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Do you think Purdue is actually #20? I’d wager USC over Purdue if they met. Purdue is being inflated by wins against two teams who are not as good was thought. Plus, SC was a neutral site win.
Remember, Maryland lost to Powell-less Seton Hall. That makes them second level BT (after MSU) in my opinion.
If you evaluate a team based on one performance, you're going to make a lot of bad predictions.
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I do not see Wojo being fired this season unless there is a total collapse. The incoming class is his ace up his sleeve. With that said, I suspect that both Wojo and the administration are putting out feelers behind the scenes for the possibility of his leaving (on his own) if not at the end of this season, then perhaps the next either by his being fired or finding a new position. I think there are almost certainly some contingency plans on both sides and they may already be quietly in the works.
To me,the ideal resolution (but very unlikely, I openly admit) would be a very late Wojo departure (ala Thad Matta at Ohio State) so that the recruiting class does not scatter and Stan,who they all know and very likely trust, is given time to prove himself before possibly being named permanent HC. If Stan does not quickly prove himself as interim coach, Marquette could continue to search for a new coach.
One more note- I am not saying Stan is the "final answer". Just that giving him a chance might be the best way out of what I see as an inevitable and potentially messy divorce that I think is on the horizon.
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Reminds me of something McGuire said on multiple occasions. Coaches have good days and bad days. One of his quotes after the 1974 title loss.
"I have to complain about the officiating. Officials never, never cost you a game. But I was right on the situations I was arguing about. I'd rather not discuss it. I would say the technicals cost us the game. Coaches have good days and bad days. I had a bad day. I would say that I lost the game there. I would say that I gave them two five-point plays and that was it. I had a bad day."
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Totally fair. I definitely would like to see us do better as the previous two coaches showed us what is possible. Guess I've finally just made peace with the fact that Wojo is a mediocre bench coach at best, and have dialed down expectations.
Now if we implode again this season, get blown out in Round 1 of NCAA...I very likely will revert to total NoJo status.
To me what is most infuriating is that Wojo refuses to bring in an experienced bench coach who is skilled at in game adjustments.
At this point, it is just stubborn pride that is preventing what should be a plainly obvious solution to a recurring set of problems.
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To me what is most infuriating is that Wojo refuses to bring in an experienced bench coach who is skilled at in game adjustments.
At this point, it is just stubborn pride that is preventing what should be a plainly obvious solution to a recurring set of problems.
Meet Rob Judson
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-judson/442
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To me what is most infuriating is that Wojo refuses to bring in an experienced bench coach who is skilled at in game adjustments.
At this point, it is just stubborn pride that is preventing what should be a plainly obvious solution to a recurring set of problems.
Where do we get this idea that there’s this stable of experienced, successful coaches just itching to become a Marquette assistant?
Sure there are a couple of examples out there, but most are the Judson types. Unsuccessful ex-head coaches looking for jobs.
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This "soft" MU team that "doesn't play hard" leads the Big East in rebounds per game, is 3rd in free throw attempts per game (0.2 attempts per game behind 2nd), 3rd in blocks per game, and tied for 3rd in defensive field goal percentage.
The only thing soft about Marquette is their fanbase.
Is the team perfect? No. Is the coach perfect? No. Yet they're 26 in KenPom and 25 in the NET rankings. Some people here act like this team is 1-7 in conference play and like the Big East is a mid major.
I am asking this in all seriousness, what do do these metrics look like excluding the non -conference schedule? Ex the cupcakes do we look even close to this good?
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This is why I never buy the "I'm not upset we lost, I'm upset we got blown out" argument after games like Maryland and Creighton. It doesn't matter if we get blown out, or lose in OT on the road to one of the top teams in conference. Honestly, I think those close losses often feel worse.
You can come out of a loss encouraged, and you can come out of a win with concerns. It's an important skill to be able to look at more than the final score when evaluating a team's performance. We had a colossally bad 2.5 minutes to end that game. The fact that we could have that bad of a 2.5 minutes and lose in OT means that the rest of the game was played very well. Keep the good, learn from the bad. I'm still feeling 6-4 or 7-3 to finish the season with a 5-7 seed at the end.
This is where I stand right now. Just watched the game for the first time. I was encouraged by how they played, obviously with the exception of the last 2:00 minutes of regulation. Let’s let this season play out. At the beginning of the season many people said it was going to be a roller coaster ride and it is. I think we have some very high highs ahead of us with a couple more lows. Ultimately though they’ll make the tournament and hopefully they’ll do something with that opportunity. Don’t give up on this team yet. They may surprise you in the end.
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With all this talk about rankings you'd think we should hang a banner.
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With all this talk about rankings you'd think we should hang a banner.
Or you’d think fans would be somewhere in the stratosphere of level headed about losing an OT game to a very good Butler game on the road.
But nah. We Are Marquette.
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With all this talk about rankings you'd think we should hang a banner.
When will the Fiserv hoist the "Top 25 Kenpom Finish" Banner?
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When will the Fiserv hoist the "Top 25 Kenpom Finish" Banner?
The stupidity with some of you is grand.
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With all this talk about rankings you'd think we should hang a banner.
Yeah, I would rather we were ranked around 80th, won the conference tournament and somehow won a tournament game since that’s all that matters.
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Or you’d think fans would be somewhere in the stratosphere of level headed about losing an OT game to a very good Butler game on the road.
But nah. We Are Marquette.
Just keep in mind, this was a Butler team playing without the best defender in the Big East and also their 2nd best defender. And MU lost the game...
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Yeah, I would rather we were ranked around 80th, won the conference tournament and somehow won a tournament game since that’s all that matters.
I'd rather they would not have lost a game at home to an incredibly mediocre Providence team, and not blown a game with 2:30 minutes to go to a team that had lost 3 in a row and were playing without the BE's best defender. That's what I would rather...and then I would really like to see where the pomeroy was then.
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Just keep in mind, this was a Butler team playing without the best defender in the Big East and also their 2nd best defender. And MU lost the game...
It was their once chance to defeat a "ranked" team on the road but coach blew it - not once, but several times.
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When will the Fiserv hoist the "Top 25 Kenpom Finish" Banner?
This just demonstrates what a fraud you are.
Marquettes best chance of hanging another banner in the near future is Wojo and this incoming class of recruits. Including Mane.
You don't really give a shat about Marquette.
All you care about is your agenda.
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Nice job tonight Mick Cronin :o
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It was their once chance to defeat a "ranked" team on the road but coach blew it - not once, but several times.
Really? We have no chance to beat Villanova on the road? Hmm.
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This just demonstrates what a fraud you are.
Marquettes best chance of hanging another banner in the near future is Wojo and this incoming class of recruits. Including Mane.
You don't really give a shat about Marquette.
All you care about is your agenda.
By all means, give credence to a statistical format that increases your ranking after a loss when the team you lose to is missing both of its starting guards and the backup scorches you.
Then again, you're of the mindset where if MU beat UNC at the Fiserv, you'd rush the court this year.
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This is the very definition of entitled. And it’s utter nonsense.
Get it through your head that he doesn’t owe you, or any other fan, anything.
This obviously went way over your head....there was a specific reason I posted this, and it's not for the reasons you think...it was trying to highlight something else.
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Just keep in mind, this was a Butler team playing without the best defender in the Big East and also their 2nd best defender. And MU lost the game...
Just keep in mind Marquette was on the road playing with a depleted roster due to transfers, injury, and a mid season departure.
There's also the inconsequential matter of Markus taking a shot to the head and disappearing the last 15 minutes of the game.
Of course Baldwin shouldn't have been a factor. He's an average player and didn't make any difficult shots in the game.
So yeah, Marquette definitely should have won.
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Only problem with totally ignoring is that the nonsense goes totally unchallenged when a lot of it needs challenging.
YOU say/think it's NONsense. Who/what makes you the authority on what is or isn't nonsense?? You don't decide what is or isn't nonsense?? If you were/are, then 99.8% of the stuff you post wouldn't be posted. It is the EXACT definition of nonsense.
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Just keep in mind Marquette was on the road playing with a depleted roster due to transfers, injury, and a mid season departure.
There's also the inconsequential matter of Markus taking a shot to the head and disappearing the last 15 minutes of the game.
Of course Baldwin shouldn't have been a factor. He's an average player and didn't make any difficult shots in the game.
So yeah, Marquette definitely should have won.
Marquette had an 87% chance of winning with two minutes to go. Our coach forgot the score.
We should have won.
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B U L L S H I T
Just as Al McGuire said, the expectations just get stupider. Crean went to a Final Four, did that stop any of you from giving a pass when we went to the NIT the next two years? Absolutely not....it turned up the juice. You guys are ridiculous with your memories and I am concerned for your health based on the lack of memories you have.
"I hate everything about this job except the games," McGuire says. "Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me. I don't know why exactly. Maybe it's the fear, the fear of then having to repeat. You win once, then they expect you to win again.
"Wait'll you see what happens to Bobby Knight now that he's won. On the other hand, I found out when I got those two technicals in the NCAA finals that people sympathized with me for making an ass out of myself. I get 35 million people looking at me, I can't help it, I immediately become an ass. People relate to that”
Al McGuire 1976
Incredibly fragile
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By all means, give credence to a statistical format that increases your ranking after a loss when the team you lose to is missing both of its starting guards and the backup scorches you.
Then again, you're of the mindset where if MU beat UNC at the Fiserv, you'd rush the court this year.
Nice try at avoiding the point.
If you really didn't care about rankings and all you cared about was ultimate success, you wouldn't be constantly pushing for Wojo to be replaced.
A blind man could see the potential this team has.
Wojo has the team competing this year despite some major adversity, and has assembled a potential top ten recruiting class for next year. Of course he gets no credit for that from people like you.
Like I said. You are a fraud.
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After the bid that will almost certainly come this year, Wojo for the most part has done all of that outside of NCAA wins. Obviously that’s the most important part, but how about we see how this tournament goes before we declare 0-2 means he’s unable to win games in March as a head coach.
Agreed. He has the opportunity to erase that narrative this year. Let's see it happen! I think he can, and I hope he does. But until it happens the narrative is justified.
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Marquette had an 87% chance of winning with two minutes to go. Our coach forgot the score.
We should have won.
You actually believe that was the key moment in the game???
ROTFLMFAO
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You actually believe that was the key moment in the game???
No. Didn't say that. His inability to make defensive adjustments was the main reason.
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No. Didn't say that. His inability to make defensive adjustments was the main reason.
Baldwin made numerous tough shots. It happens.
I seem to recall Wade in the NBA finals against the Spurs going on an even more amazing run. I guess Popovich is the same quality of coach as Wojo.
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Baldwin made numerous tough shots. It happens.
I seem to recall Wade in the NBA finals against the Spurs going on an even more amazing run. I guess Popovich is the same quality of coach as Wojo.
You are too much. Chico's on steroids.
Forgetting the score was a huge factor. They were one defensive stop from stealing a huge win.
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Baldwin made numerous tough shots. It happens.
I seem to recall Wade in the NBA finals against the Spurs going on an even more amazing run. I guess Popovich is the same quality of coach as Wojo.
You talk about people having agendas, but no one’s agenda is more obvious than your own. You find zero fault in anything Wojo does and will defend him no matter what. You have this dumb notion that you need to white knight for Wojo, because if you don’t Mane will decide to go elsewhere. It doesn’t matter, Joe. Mane and other recruits don’t care about Scoop. You aren’t making a difference.
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Nice try at avoiding the point.
If you really didn't care about rankings and all you cared about was ultimate success, you wouldn't be constantly pushing for Wojo to be replaced.
A blind man could see the potential this team has.
Wojo has the team competing this year despite some major adversity, and has assembled a potential top ten recruiting class for next year. Of course he gets no credit for that from people like you.
Like I said. You are a fraud.
Wojo has lost 2 games this year alone, to his poor coaching skills (and others in years past). After 21 years of Division I experience, 15 of those with the greatest college basketball coach of all time, you should know basic defensive strategy - ie double teaming the 1 guy on the court who's lighting you up. That's basic high school coaching strategy there. The game shouldn't have even come down to that embarrassing moment where Wojo lost track of the score. *Insert Curb Your Enthusiasm Theme Music Here*
You want a Kenpom rating
I want W's
#WhoaJoeDoesntKnowBasketball
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You are too much. Chico's on steroids.
Forgetting the score was a huge factor. They were one defensive stop from stealing a huge win.
What? Butler had the ball with the shot clock off and a tie game. They were one defensive stop from getting the game to overtime. The best case scenario for Marquette at that point was to get to overtime. Marquette got to overtime.
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You talk about people having agendas, but no one’s agenda is more obvious than your own. You find zero fault in anything Wojo does and will defend him no matter what. You have this dumb notion that you need to white knight for Wojo, because if you don’t Mane will decide to go elsewhere. It doesn’t matter, Joe. Mane and other recruits don’t care about Scoop. You aren’t making a difference.
Really? WhoaJoe’s White knight act could make all the difference in the world.
In fact, if Karim Mane does sign with MU, it is likely on commit day Karim will reference WhoaJoe, as having played a big part in his decision. We are fortunate to have WhoaJoe in our fanbase and on Scoop.
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What? Butler had the ball with the shot clock off and a tie game. They were one defensive stop from getting the game to overtime. The best case scenario for Marquette at that point was to get to overtime. Marquette got to overtime.
Correct my bad. Could have lost them the game, didn t directly
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Wojo's mistake would have been an afterthought if MU ended up winning in OT.
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You talk about people having agendas, but no one’s agenda is more obvious than your own. You find zero fault in anything Wojo does and will defend him no matter what. You have this dumb notion that you need to white knight for Wojo, because if you don’t Mane will decide to go elsewhere. It doesn’t matter, Joe. Mane and other recruits don’t care about Scoop. You aren’t making a difference.
You obviously don't read closely. I just ripped Wojo in another post for not getting a T when Markus got put to the floor. A coach not aggressively standing up for his players is a far bigger flaw than not being aware of the score in one instance that ultimately did not affect the outcome of the game.
I've also criticized him for how he handles Markus. I think he's using him as a recruiting tool. I understand things from his point of view and from Markus' point of view. The chances of Markus being the catalyst for a win or a loss is a 50-50 proposition, so why not ride him and let him showcase his skills for the NBA scouts. The fact that by giving Markus the ultimate green light Wojo is possibly attracting top recruits, makes it even more reasonable. That doesn't mean it makes what he's doing right.
Unfortunately, graduating players into the NBA is an important factor in recruiting, and the only way Markus is making it in the league is by showcasing his offensive ability. It sucks, but it's reality.
Markus' high usage has worn him down in the past, and I see the writing on the wall this season as well. If Greg wasn't hurt, and Symir wasn't a defensive liability Wojo may have reduced Markus' load this year. I guess we'll never know.
It doesn't change the fact that Markus has been doing too much for too long. Wojos whiff on Chartouny last year was another mistake I criticized him for. That mistake led directly to Markus having to carry an undue burden, and his late season fade.
In short, Wojo does things that irritate me, but they aren't game breakers, and they certainly aren't as trivial as a fairly meaningless in game decision.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B7wtLOyHY16/
If I were Coach Wojo and staff, knock on this person’s dorm room. Say hello, bring a pizza and maybe a few players to have a dialogue. Thank them for being passionate for the team. Do it in good taste. Invite them to a practice or behind the scenes opportunity to see what goes into coaching. Maybe both sides can learn something.
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Really? WhoaJoe’s White knight act could make all the difference in the world.
In fact, if Karim Mane does sign with MU, it is likely on commit day Karim will reference WhoaJoe, as having played a big part in his decision. We are fortunate to have WhoaJoe in our fanbase and on Scoop.
How ironically clueless can you be.
Karin Manes decision is far more likely to be influenced by children scribbling nasty things on message board walls, and putting up signs in dorm windows.
I'm basically here to suggest that during an important season and recruiting period those children should refrain from acting on their childish impulses. At least until Mane is signed and Marquettes tournament fate has been decided.
I'm no white knight but you and some others are definitely black knights.
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Good lord...to even remotely equivocate Dukiet to Wojo for someone of your “caliber” is pathetic. But maybe as the ultra alum big booster you are...you can make a difference.
Correct. Dukiet, despite being a horrible coach, was far more interesting.
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Correct. Dukiet, despite being a horrible coach, was far more interesting.
True. To date Wojo has demonstrated no ability to play the piano let alone the more difficult skill of carrying a tune.
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Wojo has lost 2 games this year alone, to his poor coaching skills (and others in years past). After 21 years of Division I experience, 15 of those with the greatest college basketball coach of all time, you should know basic defensive strategy - ie double teaming the 1 guy on the court who's lighting you up. That's basic high school coaching strategy there. The game shouldn't have even come down to that embarrassing moment where Wojo lost track of the score. *Insert Curb Your Enthusiasm Theme Music Here*
You want a Kenpom rating
I want W's
#WhoaJoeDoesntKnowBasketball
Thanks, Deaner. Now I have the "Curb" theme song in my head.
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You obviously don't read closely. I just ripped Wojo in another post for not getting a T when Markus got put to the floor. A coach not aggressively standing up for his players is a far bigger flaw than not being aware of the score in one instance that ultimately did not affect the outcome of the game.
I've also criticized him for how he handles Markus. I think he's using him as a recruiting tool. I understand things from his point of view and from Markus' point of view. The chances of Markus being the catalyst for a win or a loss is a 50-50 proposition, so why not ride him and let him showcase his skills for the NBA scouts. The fact that by giving Markus the ultimate green light Wojo is possibly attracting top recruits, makes it even more reasonable. That doesn't mean it makes what he's doing right.
Unfortunately, graduating players into the NBA is an important factor in recruiting, and the only way Markus is making it in the league is by showcasing his offensive ability. It sucks, but it's reality.
Markus' high usage has worn him down in the past, and I see the writing on the wall this season as well. If Greg wasn't hurt, and Symir wasn't a defensive liability Wojo may have reduced Markus' load this year. I guess we'll never know.
It doesn't change the fact that Markus has been doing too much for too long. Wojos whiff on Chartouny last year was another mistake I criticized him for. That mistake led directly to Markus having to carry an undue burden, and his late season fade.
In short, Wojo does things that irritate me, but they aren't game breakers, and they certainly aren't as trivial as a fairly meaningless in game decision.
So 2 things. It's pretty clear Howard didn't get smacked in the head by an elbow.
Getting a T would have severly hurt Marquettes chances.
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With all this talk about rankings you'd think we should hang a banner.
With all this negative talk after a loss. You’d think we should just cancel the season.
#terribletake
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So 2 things. It's pretty clear Howard didn't get smacked in the head by an elbow.
Getting a T would have severly hurt Marquettes chances.
Talk to tower and others who have it on dvr. Baddleys right elbow caught Markus on the right side of the head. Not only did he hit him, I personally believe it was intentional and it should have been reviewed as a flagrant foul.
The foul happened with over 15 minutes left in the game and Marquette had a decent lead.
Did you even watch the game??
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You are too much. Chico's on steroids.
Forgetting the score was a huge factor. They were one defensive stop from stealing a huge win.
Not sure I understand. Forgetting the score was a huge boner, but if we do stop them we are still going to OT most likely. Depending on when they took the shot, if they missed we go to OT 68-68....what am I missing?
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Correct. Dukiet, despite being a horrible coach, was far more interesting.
Some of you have lost your minds, but your comments don't surprise me. I remember some of our fans admitting Crean had done some things no one not named McGuire had done at MU, but they would rather have Deane because he drank with them after the games at Turners. Truly amazing stuff.
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By all means, give credence to a statistical format that increases your ranking after a loss when the team you lose to is missing both of its starting guards and the backup scorches you.
Are you referring to the Butler game here? Cause they were only missing one starter. They were also missing a backup but he has never started a game and is 7th on the team in minutes played.
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So 2 things. It's pretty clear Howard didn't get smacked in the head by an elbow.
Getting a T would have severly hurt Marquettes chances.
He did get elbowed by Baddley. That is a fact. The emphasis Whoa Joe is putting on it? That is a lot less than a fact.
I agree with you on the T. I've never been a ref but I feel like a coach going off on them doesn't have any meaningful impact on how the game is called. Maybe I'm wrong, I know a lot of people think its an important strategy. I could maybe see the value in a home game just to get the crowd riled up but have hard time that it is worth more than 2 likely points and an extra possession for the opponent.
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Not sure I understand. Forgetting the score was a huge boner, but if we do stop them we are still going to OT most likely. Depending on when they took the shot, if they missed we go to OT 68-68....what am I missing?
You are missing about 12 posts up.
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Talk to tower and others who have it on dvr. Baddleys right elbow caught Markus on the right side of the head. Not only did he hit him, I personally believe it was intentional and it should have been reviewed as a flagrant foul.
The foul happened with over 15 minutes left in the game and Marquette had a decent lead.
Did you even watch the game??
Well, its 2020. So I absolutely don't need to talk to anyone with a DVR. I can just see it myself at anytime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BOvh9yaDE0 (4:32)
Slow it down to .25 to see very clearly that...
1. It wasnt intentional at all, your dumb.
2. You can clearly see Baddley's right elbow the entire time he is in the air.
3. The elbow never goes off screen, meaning it never made contact with Markus.
4. Markus' head is clearly past Baddley's right side, for contact with a right elbow baddley had to have swung it inwards, he didn't.
5. Markus' never recoils from a blow to the face one would do if an elbow hit him at full speed.
6. In fact he doesn't show any sign of being hit until he makes contact with the chair. Where he recoils instantly.
7. At most he may have got him with groin or knee that sent him flying
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He shouldn't be fired.
But we've also been in the Top 25 for a total of three months out of 5+ years and that's not okay either. Neither is zero tourney wins in that period.
Some people are going to need to accept that the above is going to cause unrest within the fanbase. And it's on Wojo to fix it. Now.
This! +100,000
Like it or not success is measured in rankings, conference titles (regular season &. Tournament) and NCAA wins
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This! +100,000
Like it or not success is measured in rankings, conference titles (regular season &. Tournament) and NCAA wins
That's a bit misleading. You can't do a month to year comparison when there's no ranking 7/8 months of the year.
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Well, its 2020. So I absolutely don't need to talk to anyone with a DVR. I can just see it myself at anytime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BOvh9yaDE0 (4:32)
Slow it down to .25 to see very clearly that...
1. It wasnt intentional at all, your dumb.
2. You can clearly see Baddley's right elbow the entire time he is in the air.
3. The elbow never goes off screen, meaning it never made contact with Markus.
4. Markus' head is clearly past Baddley's right side, for contact with a right elbow baddley had to have swung it inwards, he didn't.
5. Markus' never recoils from a blow to the face one would do if an elbow hit him at full speed.
6. In fact he doesn't show any sign of being hit until he makes contact with the chair. Where he recoils instantly.
7. At most he may have got him with groin or knee that sent him flying
I know what I saw and others have reviewed it on dvr and observed the same thing.
Do you think I would listen to somebody who thinks that a coach drawing a technical with over 15 minutes left in the game and a decent lead would have severely hurt Marquettes chances of winning???
You lost all credibility right there.
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Well, its 2020. So I absolutely don't need to talk to anyone with a DVR. I can just see it myself at anytime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BOvh9yaDE0 (4:32)
Slow it down to .25 to see very clearly that...
1. It wasnt intentional at all, your dumb.
2. You can clearly see Baddley's right elbow the entire time he is in the air.
3. The elbow never goes off screen, meaning it never made contact with Markus.
4. Markus' head is clearly past Baddley's right side, for contact with a right elbow baddley had to have swung it inwards, he didn't.
5. Markus' never recoils from a blow to the face one would do if an elbow hit him at full speed.
6. In fact he doesn't show any sign of being hit until he makes contact with the chair. Where he recoils instantly.
7. At most he may have got him with groin or knee that sent him flying
I honestly didn't know you could slow down youtube videos like that, thanks for that. Watching it in slow motion, I agree you are correct. There was no elbow, I was wrong.
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I know what I saw and others have also.
Do you think I would listen to somebody who thinks that a coach drawing a technical with over 15 minutes left in the game and a decent lead would have severely hurt Marquettes chances of winning???
You lost all credibility right there.
Honestly, who is paying you to spin all day every day? Or do you sincerely think you'll get a nice pat on the head for your job posting in the trenches?
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I remember when students held up something similar during the Dukiet years. They were right.
Good for the students not settling for mediocrity. Alums could learn something from them.
The Dukiet years were a trainwreck; players showing up for practice and being locked out of the gym because no coaches showed, old uniforms so bad and worn that we had to wear our away jerseys for a home game (yes, that happened. Dukiet failed to order new uniforms for the start of the season).
Comparing Dukiet and Wojo isn't fair, Dukiet was on another level of incompetence.
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The Dukiet years were a trainwreck; players showing up for practice and being locked out of the gym because no coaches showed, old uniforms so bad and worn that we had to wear our away jerseys for a home game (yes, that happened. Dukiet failed to order new uniforms for the start of the season).
Comparing Dukiet and Wojo isn't fair, Dukiet was on another level of incompetence.
And he's better overall than Deane too, despite the tournament wins.
It's fair to say he hasn't been as good as KO, Buzz and TC.
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I honestly didn't know you could slow down youtube videos like that, thanks for that. Watching it in slow motion, I agree you are correct. There was no elbow, I was wrong.
honestly its the first time I've ever used the feature. I know a few guys here use the 1.5x speed for some videos.
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I know what I saw and others have reviewed it on dvr and observed the same thing.
Do you think I would listen to somebody who thinks that a coach drawing a technical with over 15 minutes left in the game and a decent lead would have severely hurt Marquettes chances of winning???
You lost all credibility right there.
Okay, you are hopeless. LOL
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Honestly, who is paying you to spin all day every day? Or do you sincerely think you'll get a nice pat on the head for your job posting in the trenches?
I'm not spinning anything.
I'm trying to provide a counterpoint to the endless number of fatalistic posters.
You know, the ones who focus more on one fairly meaningless play than on Markus getting hurt.
Why are you posting??
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I'm not spinning anything.
I'm trying to provide a counterpoint to the endless number of fatalistic posters.
You know, the ones who focus more on one fairly meaningless play than on Markus getting hurt.
Why are you posting??
You have 600 posts in under a month. Either this is Chico's most unhinged split personality or benny B's best troll yet.
Either way you've offically been put on ignore.
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I'm not spinning anything.
I'm trying to provide a counterpoint to the endless number of fatalistic posters.
You know, the ones who focus more on one fairly meaningless play than on Markus getting hurt.
Why are you posting??
You're focused on straw manning one play (which Wojo admitted he effed up) and ignoring the fact that we got beat like a rented mule on the exact same P&R play with zero defensive adjustment while trying to blame it all on a Markus injury conspiracy.
Now That's What I Call Spin
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I honestly didn't know you could slow down youtube videos like that, thanks for that. Watching it in slow motion, I agree you are correct. There was no elbow, I was wrong.
Talk about confirmation bias.
You changed your mind based on a YouTube video when others have reviewed it on DVR??
Okaaaay
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The booing and the signs are probably the results of immature kids who are overreacting to one thing or another. But it does show that some of the most important fans to the future of MU basketball are unhappy. They're probably not worth listening to right now, but as the old saying goes, where there's smoke, there's fire.
MU basketball got back on the map in a big way with Wade, and then the program continued to be prominent in the national college basketball scene. We moved into the best conference ever assembled, competed well in that conference, put guys into the NBA regularly, won some big games in March, and were ranked more often than not for several years.
The step back to rebuild the program has required patience. For some, this was frustrating from Day 1. For others, the patience is now running out. Individual mistakes/losses are not the culprit for this waning patience. It's the cumulative plateau, the feeling that this is the best we'll get. Until that perception can be changed, I would expect the grumblings to continue, regardless of how entitled that may feel to some.
So at face value, the signs in the dorms don't mean much. But they do probably represent a growing trend.
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Talk about confirmation bias.
You changed your mind based on a YouTube video when others have reviewed it on DVR??
Okaaaay
LOL now you're debating the merits of youtube vs. DVR? this has to be a joke/troll account
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LOL now you're debating the merits of youtube vs. DVR? this has to be a joke/troll account
You do know that DVRs have zoom functions and the resolution is far better than a YouTube video right??
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You do know that DVRs have zoom functions and the resolution is far better than a YouTube video right??
LOL!
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Talk about confirmation bias.
You changed your mind based on a YouTube video when others have reviewed it on DVR??
Okaaaay
I have it on DVR. The video on youtube is the same as the one I have on DVR. I can't play my DVR in slow motion, I can play the youtube video in slow motion. After seeing it in slow motion, I realized I was wrong. Given that I had been saying that Markus was elbowed for two days straight, confirmation bias would look like me digging in and insisting that there was an elbow when there wasn't.
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I didn't see any dirty play on Butler's end. But I saw a play and injury that probably affected Markus' ability to perform well enough to help MU when it counted most.
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You're focused on straw manning one play (which Wojo admitted he effed up) and ignoring the fact that we got beat like a rented mule on the exact same P&R play with zero defensive adjustment while trying to blame it all on a Markus injury conspiracy.
Now That's What I Call Spin
Kanar made a bunch of tough shots.
If he shoots a normal percentage we're not even having this conversation.
Markus has done the same thing to other teams and I'm sure some genius fan had all the answers on how the other teams coach should have stopped him.
I'm also not straw manning one play. I've tried to offer several reasons why Wojos foul call and the defense on Kamar were not the major causes for the loss.
Others have casually dismissed Markus being hurt as a major reason Marquette lost. Then they complain that I'm placing too much emphasis on it. All the while I've been readimg endless comments about Wojos foul call. Give me a break!!
I guess it's hard to see anything but your point of view from the inside of your pot.
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Kanar made a bunch of tough shots.
If he shoots a normal percentage we're not even having this conversation.
Markus has done the same thing to other teams and I'm sure some genius fan had all the answers on how the other teams coach should have stopped him.
I'm also not straw manning one play. I've tried to offer several reasons why Wojos foul call and the defense on Kamar were not the major causes for the loss.
Others have casually dismissed Markus being hurt as a major reason Marquette lost. Then they complain that I'm placing too much emphasis on it. All the while I've been readimg endless comments about Wojos foul call. Give me a break!!
I guess it's hard to see anything but your point of view from the inside of your pot.
Kamar made unguarded 12-15 foot pullup jumpers over and over again because we were sending Theo straight to the rim on P&R defense. Once he does it for the third consecutive time, call T.O. and switch up the D to make sure he can't get that shot again. Didn't happen and we let a guy in the zone get to his spot over & over again. That was far more egregious than not knowing the score coming out of a time out (which, to be clear, was egregious).
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Not sure why we did not defend the pick and roll like Butler did. Hopefully, it was a teaching moment for the coaching staff.
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I have it on DVR. The video on youtube is the same as the one I have on DVR. I can't play my DVR in slow motion, I can play the youtube video in slow motion. After seeing it in slow motion, I realized I was wrong. Given that I had been saying that Markus was elbowed for two days straight, confirmation bias would look like me digging in and insisting that there was an elbow when there wasn't.
Either you have a really crappy DVR or you don't know how to use it, which makes me question your take even more.
You have been on the fence about the play but thought he got hit. A new piece of sketchy evidence shows up and suddenly you're sure he didn't get hit.
Another reason I question your take.
Learn how to use your DVRs slow motion function and zoom if it has it.
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Was it the main reason we lost? No.
Was it concerning that our coach didn’t know the score in a tie game with 20 seconds left one possession after a timeout? Heck yes.
Would this be as big of a deal if in the Wojo tenure we’ve had some NCAAT success and/or in the mix for a conference championship more than 1 time in 6 years? I don’t think so.
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Either you have a really crappy DVR or you don't know how to use it, which makes me question your take even more.
You have been on the fence about the play but thought he got hit. A new piece of sketchy evidence shows up and suddenly you're sure he didn't get hit.
Another reason I question your take.
Learn how to use your DVRs slow motion function and zoom if it has it.
I gotta admit, we have had a lot of the same people make the same arguments about the same topics repeatedly, but this guy is breaking some new ground here.
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I gotta admit, we have had a lot of the same people make the same arguments about the same topics repeatedly, but this guy is breaking some new ground here.
This screams Cheeks
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Either you have a really crappy DVR or you don't know how to use it, which makes me question your take even more.
You have been on the fence about the play but thought he got hit. A new piece of sketchy evidence shows up and suddenly you're sure he didn't get hit.
Another reason I question your take.
Learn how to use your DVRs slow motion function and zoom if it has it.
I have youtube TV, it's a pretty low level DVR. I wasn't on the fence, I was certain he got hit. From earlier this thread:
He did get elbowed by Baddley. That is a fact.
I watched it a few times in real time and that's what I saw. I got the opportunity to see it in slow motion and realized I made a mistake.
And I never said he didn't get hit. I said he didn't get elbowed in the head.
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And he's better overall than Deane too, despite the tournament wins.
It's fair to say he hasn't been as good as KO, Buzz and TC.
for recruiting, yes. For coaching, is he?
While Deane did inherit players from KO (and a team that graduated three major contributors) he still coached them to four straight post-season appearances and one conference tourney title.
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Kamar made unguarded 12-15 foot pullup jumpers over and over again because we were sending Theo straight to the rim on P&R defense. Once he does it for the third consecutive time, call T.O. and switch up the D to make sure he can't get that shot again. Didn't happen and we let a guy in the zone get to his spot over & over again. That was far more egregious than not knowing the score coming out of a time out (which, to be clear, was egregious).
Conveniently you forgot to mention Markus getting hurt
Kamar didn't shoot 12-15 footers exclusively. He made some hard drives and made a few tough shots off the glass. Wojo trusted his players to defend within the scheme and Kamar was simply better. Kamar was settling for two point shots and some coaches are willing to live with that. No one knows what would have happened if Wojo had made some unspecified adjustment.
The real point is.....some people are focusing exclusively on the foul call and the defense on Baldwin and ignoring the fact that Markus was banged up.
Carry on though.
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for recruiting, yes. For coaching, is he?
While Deane did inherit players from KO (and a team that graduated three major contributors) he still coached them to four straight post-season appearances and one conference tourney title.
As a whole, yes. After 6 years we're improving under Wojo. Deane drove the program lower over time.
Strictly X's and O's? Deane was better. But Wojo is better for Marquette than Deane was.
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LOL now you're debating the merits of youtube vs. DVR? this has to be a joke/troll account
My guesses:
a. WhoaJoe= Cheeks
b. WhoaJoe= A bored Tower
c. WhoaJoe= Keefe playing another brilliant prank
d. WhoaJoe= Benny B see above
e. WhoaJoe= just another obsessed scooper (wouldn't be a big surprise)
My best guess right now would be Keefe just because of how ridiculous over the top the posts are. Very entertaining like watching sharknado just to make fun of it.
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I think it's (c).
keefe appeared in regular keefe form recently, so I don't think it's a coincidence.
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I have youtube TV, it's a pretty low level DVR. I wasn't on the fence, I was certain he got hit. From earlier this thread:
I watched it a few times in real time and that's what I saw. I got the opportunity to see it in slow motion and realized I made a mistake.
And I never said he didn't get hit. I said he didn't get elbowed in the head.
So now he did get hit in the head??
Getting clipped by an elbow is a very quick event. It needed to be reviewed during the game. For some reason the refs chose not to do so.
Eff the refs and Baddley.
My main point is that Markus got hurt and nobody seems to think that was a major factor in the outcome of the game. A fairly meaningless foul, and armchair coaching about how Wojo should have defended Kamar, is all some people want to focus on.
It stinks of bias and an agenda.
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My guesses:
a. WhoaJoe= Cheeks
b. WhoaJoe= A bored Tower
c. WhoaJoe= Keefe playing another brilliant prank
d. WhoaJoe= Benny B see above
e. WhoaJoe= just another obsessed scooper (wouldn't be a big surprise)
My best guess right now would be Keefe just because of how ridiculous over the top the posts are. Very entertaining like watching sharknado just to make fun of it.
Pots and kettles make great echo chambers.
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Talk about confirmation bias.
You changed your mind based on a YouTube video when others have reviewed it on DVR??
Okaaaay
This is a bit, right? It has to be. Please tell me this is a put-on.
Let’s review how we got here:
You’re using your time beyond whatever slapdick nonsense we all engage in here on scoop to sit down and slow-mo zoom DVR footage to win an internet argument.
Then because that investment of time didn’t work to your satisfaction, you’re starting another internet argument about the merits of one video replay service against another.
If this isn’t a bit, you really need a hobby.
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This is a bit, right? It has to be. Please tell me this is a put-on.
Let’s review how we got here:
You’re using your time beyond whatever slapdick nonsense we all engage in here on scoop to sit down and slow-mo zoom DVR footage to win an internet argument.
Then because that investment of time didn’t work to your satisfaction, you’re starting another internet argument about the merits of one video replay service against another.
If this isn’t a bit, you really need a hobby.
It's all part of the same argument.....
You get that, right???
If you've read enough of my posts you would know that my "bit" is to be a constant counter to the other posters who have their own routine(agenda).
My bit, however, doesn't involve trashing the coach or players in the middle of a very competitive season, and an important recruiting battle.
I guess everyone has their own sense of humor.
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It's all part of the same argument.....
You get that, right???
If you've read enough of my posts you would know that my "bit" is to be a constant counter to the other posters who have their own routine(agenda).
My bit, however, doesn't involve trashing the coach or players in the middle of a very competitive season, and an important recruiting battle.
I guess everyone has their own sense of humor.
Thank you for your service.
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I think it's (c).
keefe appeared in regular keefe form recently, so I don't think it's a coincidence.
C was also my guess as well.
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Thank you for your service.
It's not a "service" it's a "bit".
Don't you think it's funny??
I think the other posters routine(agenda) is hilarious.
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It's not a "service" it's a "bit".
Don't you think it's funny??
I think the other posters routine(agenda) is hilarious.
Explaining your stance based on actual events and/or stats isn't an agenda. And that goes both ways on the Wojo debate.
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Kamar made unguarded 12-15 foot pullup jumpers over and over again because we were sending Theo straight to the rim on P&R defense. Once he does it for the third consecutive time, call T.O. and switch up the D to make sure he can't get that shot again. Didn't happen and we let a guy in the zone get to his spot over & over again. That was far more egregious than not knowing the score coming out of a time out (which, to be clear, was egregious).
I get your point about letting him get to his spot over and over again and for that MU failed defensively. But only 2 shots could be categorized as “unguarded”. Many were well guarded and he just made great shots. Now, could we have switched to zone or double teamed him? Sure. Could and probably should have done something different.
It was a great game. A well played game where our super star wasn't at his best and we still should/could have won. There will be more to come and the team will come out on the right side of many of them. We do not have to draw lines in the sand now. The end of the season is coming rapidly. Much better to judge the entire body of work. A couple tournament wins along with 3 tourney appearances in the last six years and a great recruiting class puts a different light on the season and Wojo.
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Explaining your stance based on actual events and/or stats isn't an agenda. And that goes both ways on the Wojo debate.
Wow, I totally agree.
Maybe explain that to those who only point out Wojos perceived mistakes as the reasons for a loss and ignore all other factors.
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My guesses:
a. WhoaJoe= Cheeks
b. WhoaJoe= A bored Tower
c. WhoaJoe= Keefe playing another brilliant prank
d. WhoaJoe= Benny B see above
e. WhoaJoe= just another obsessed scooper (wouldn't be a big surprise)
My best guess right now would be Keefe just because of how ridiculous over the top the posts are. Very entertaining like watching sharknado just to make fun of it.
f. Total loser regardless of whether he’s a. through e.
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C was also my guess as well.
It ain't Keefe, Keefe knows who I am and WhoaJoe does not
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I get your point about letting him get to his spot over and over again and for that MU failed defensively. But only 2 shots could be categorized as “unguarded”. Many were well guarded and he just made great shots. Now, could we have switched to zone or double teamed him? Sure. Could and probably should have done something different.
It was a great game. A well played game where our super star wasn't at his best and we still should/could have won. There will be more to come and the team will come out on the right side of many of them. We do not have to draw lines in the sand now. The end of the season is coming rapidly. Much better to judge the entire body of work. A couple tournament wins along with 3 tourney appearances in the last six years and a great recruiting class puts a different light on the season and Wojo.
I'm not trying to "draw a line in the sand"! I'm trying not to bury my head in the sand. There were several glaring coaching blunders down the stretch of what should have been a huge win. I certainly hope the staff is hyper analyzing what went wrong so it never happens again rather than excuse it all away. Experience is a great teacher and this is one of those moments that has to be seared in his brain.
Zapruder film DVR vs. youtube analysis trying to pin it all on a mysterious injury is definitely burying one's head in the sand.
I don't want Wojo fired! I want this to eat him alive, drive him to an unprecedented level of focus and motivation, and have him prep our guys for an amazing finish down the stretch. Hopefully he sees those signs in the dorm windows and heeds them as a call to be better. If he truly wants to be here for the long haul, and he's as competitive as I've heard, he will no doubt respond in kind. His table is set. Time to eat.
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I want this to eat him alive, drive him to an unprecedented level of focus and motivation, and have him prep our guys for an amazing finish down the stretch. Hopefully he sees those signs in the dorm windows and heeds them as a call to be better. If he truly wants to be here for the long haul, and he's as competitive as I've heard, he will no doubt respond in kind. His table is set. Time to eat.
Hopefully this is true of the entire team. If you think a loss like this hurts as a fan, it hits players even harder. They've spent their entire lives to get to this level. They're the ones who devote 40-45 hours a week to practices, weight training, scrimmages, travel and games -- on top of their class workload. For Markus, Sacar and Jayce, the next two months represent their last chance to establish their college legacy. Let's see how they rise to the challenge.
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It ain't Keefe, Keefe knows who I am and WhoaJoe does not
I don't know why people just can't accept that I am exactly who and what I say I am.
I don't suffer fools or liars.
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I think it's (c).
keefe appeared in regular keefe form recently, so I don't think it's a coincidence.
Not Keefe or Chicos.
Look at the date that he joined. Can you think of anyone really special who was on campus that day?
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I don't know why people just can't accept that I am exactly who and what I say I am.
You could you state - as clearly as possible - who and what that is again? Pronouns or GTFO
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Not Keefe or Chicos.
Look at the date that he joined. Can you think of anyone really special who was on campus that day?
Marquette v Nova.
Mane? Or a Mane family member?
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It sounds like the pitchforks might be out at UW now. Looks like Kobe King is transferring.
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Just keep in mind, this was a Butler team playing without the best defender in the Big East and also their 2nd best defender. And MU lost the game...
Hmm, and here I thought we were playing on the road without Greg Elliott and Ed Morrow...2 guys we had on the team playing only a few weeks ago.
Oh, that’s right...missing players only count when one team not named MU are impacted...my bad.
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I think it's (c).
keefe appeared in regular keefe form recently, so I don't think it's a coincidence.
Nope
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You could you state - as clearly as possible - who and what that is again? Pronouns or GTFO
I'm a lifelong Marquette fan and have followed the team for about 45 years.
I have never had another account here under any name.
I AM trying to make a point by posting so much.
If people would actually read my posts they would see that I don't fully endorse Wojo. Next years recruiting class sold me on at least one more year.
I really want Marquette to land Mane.
I really want Marquette to win at least one game in the tournament this year but I don't support canning Wojo if they don't. The risk to next years recruiting class is too great IMHO.
I really hate when people trash the coach and the players in the middle of a tough season, and a tough recruiting battle.
I really, really hate when people single out one or two decisions by Wojo that are either subjective or fairly inconsequential(late game defense on Kamar, the call to foul Kamar) and assign all the blame to Wojo for the loss, while ignoring the fact that Markus was injured in the game, Greg was unavailable, and Symir isn't quite ready for prime time. Some of these same people cited Butlers missing players as a reason the loss was so bad.
I really, really, really hate people who show up after losses and trash Wojo
and the players but become crickets after wins.
Hope that clears things up for anyone still wondering who and what I am.
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I'm a lifelong Marquette fan and have followed the team for about 45 years.
I have never had another account here under any name.
I AM trying to make a point by posting so much.
If people would actually read my posts they would see that I don't fully endorse Wojo. Next years recruiting class sold me on at least one more year.
I really want Marquette to land Mane.
I really want Marquette to win at least one game in the tournament this year but I don't support canning Wojo if they don't. The risk to next years recruiting class is too great IMHO.
I really hate when people trash the coach and the players in the middle of a tough season, and a tough recruiting battle.
I really, really hate when people single out one or two decisions by Wojo that are either subjective or fairly inconsequential(late game defense on Kamar, the call to foul Kamar) and assign all the blame to Wojo for the loss, while ignoring the fact that Markus was injured in the game, Greg was unavailable, and Symir isn't quite ready for prime time. Some of these same people cited Butlers missing players as a reason the loss was so bad.
I really, really, really hate people who show up after losses and trash Wojo
and the players but become crickets after wins.
Hope that clears things up for anyone still wondering who and what I am.
Oooo k. So you're cheeks.
Wait, Marcus was injured?
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It sounds like the pitchforks might be out at UW now. Looks like Kobe King is transferring.
Missing tonight for “personal reasons”. Sounds familiar...
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Oooo k. So you're cheeks.
Wait, Marcus was injured?
Exactly my point.
Thanks for proving it.
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I really, really, really hate people who show up after losses and trash Wojo
and the players but become crickets after wins.
Have to say I am with you on this one.
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There was a poster who had to leave after the Nova game.
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Have to say I am with you on this one.
Trashing our team bugs me as well. I missed one game total in 4 yrs, and never left early. Just love having a team to be behind, even in a "down year."
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Oooo k. So you're cheeks.
Wait, Marcus was injured?
Nope. 100% incorrect. I suggest the following, everyone chip in $100 and he and I will prove it and make a tidy little profit off of it in the process. I've been in meetings pretty much non-stop all day after leaving home today, some even related to Kobe situation. I took a short break at lunch to log in and respond for about 5 minutes...that is it.
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I'm a lifelong Marquette fan and have followed the team for about 45 years.
I have never had another account here under any name.
I AM trying to make a point by posting so much.
If people would actually read my posts they would see that I don't fully endorse Wojo. Next years recruiting class sold me on at least one more year.
I really want Marquette to land Mane.
I really want Marquette to win at least one game in the tournament this year but I don't support canning Wojo if they don't. The risk to next years recruiting class is too great IMHO.
I really hate when people trash the coach and the players in the middle of a tough season, and a tough recruiting battle.
I really, really hate when people single out one or two decisions by Wojo that are either subjective or fairly inconsequential(late game defense on Kamar, the call to foul Kamar) and assign all the blame to Wojo for the loss, while ignoring the fact that Markus was injured in the game, Greg was unavailable, and Symir isn't quite ready for prime time. Some of these same people cited Butlers missing players as a reason the loss was so bad.
I really, really, really hate people who show up after losses and trash Wojo
and the players but become crickets after wins.
Hope that clears things up for anyone still wondering who and what I am.
Pretty sure yur Fr. Dilulio, aina?
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Nope. 100% incorrect. I suggest the following, everyone chip in $100 and he and I will prove it and make a tidy little profit off of it in the process. I've been in meetings pretty much non-stop all day after leaving home today, some even related to Kobe situation. I took a short break at lunch to log in and respond for about 5 minutes...that is it.
I'm just poking the bear, and he keeps reacting, just my sick form of entertainment.
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hairy
I finding your poking amusing. He loves the attention!!
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Nope. 100% incorrect. I suggest the following, everyone chip in $100 and he and I will prove it and make a tidy little profit off of it in the process. I've been in meetings pretty much non-stop all day after leaving home today, some even related to Kobe situation. I took a short break at lunch to log in and respond for about 5 minutes...that is it.
LOL absolutely positively one of your most pathetic name drops of all time. Bravo!
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Cheeks, and only some Kobe related? You are slipping. I thought you be knee deep in Kobe stuff today.
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Anyone else think that cheeks and whoajoe must have a furiously pedantic argument over something borderline irrelevant to prove their independent existence?
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Cheeks, and not some Kobe related? You are slipping. I thought you be knee deep in Kobe stuff today.
What a clown. Who would brag about being in a “Kobe situation.” Congrats ?
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You could you state - as clearly as possible - who and what that is again? Pronouns or GTFO
So the Cheeks copycat is a Chica...
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Nope. 100% incorrect. I suggest the following, everyone chip in $100 and he and I will prove it and make a tidy little profit off of it in the process. I've been in meetings pretty much non-stop all day after leaving home today, some even related to Kobe situation. I took a short break at lunch to log in and respond for about 5 minutes...that is it.
They know we're not the same person. They're just so blinded by bias that they can't believe more than one person thinks Wojo has done enough to warrant an extended tenure.
What the team accomplished last year, and what the team is accomplishing this year, despite some formidable challenges, should be enough to convince people that Wojo isn't incompetent. Next years recruiting class should be enough to convince people that he deserves more time.
They claim that they just want high level tournament success, and I want Wojo to be the one to deliver it for so many reasons. Some of the reasons are petty, some are selfish, but the one reason I really want Wojo to deliver a successful NCAA tournament, is so maybe the NoJos will have at least one happy moment in their obviously miserable lives.
Something tells me they really need a win.
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There was a poster who had to leave after the Nova game.
Still here Wades, just lurking since I can’t post. Miss you
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So the Cheeks copycat is a Chica...
First off, Cheeks couldn't hold a candle to the level of passive aggressive snark I'm capable of delivering.
Second, 100% Hetero male here. I didn't quite get what Rocky meant by his pronoun comment. It made no sense to me. What does using pronouns prove?? If a person was trying to hide who they really are they could say whatever they want. I'm not trying to hide who I am at all beyond not giving some idiot my personal information.
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Please...
(http://i.qkme.me/3qbcnp.jpg)
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related to Kobe situation
Man, you'd think the sumbitch was Mother Teresa II.
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Man, you'd think the sumbitch was Mother Teresa II.
Again, the irony is so rich.
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Again, the irony is so rich.
If you like that, go read the posts about Harbaugh in the "expectations" superbar thread
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Man, you'd think the sumbitch was Mother Teresa II.
Operational in nature only. At the time we weren’t sure if NBA was post poning game tonight, had to have systems prepared in event they did.
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Since there has been a discussion about coaches making obvious and bad mistakes. At the end of the 1st half of the Iowa Madison game, Iowa had fouls to give and were intentionally fouling to force Madison into working with a shorter clock. Except they fouled one too many times and gave Trice a 1-and-1, where he hit both. Whether it was Fran or the player that didn't know the situation, it's an equally unforgiving mistake, and yet since Iowa won, its largely forgotten about. Mistakes similar to this happen frequently and you really only remember the ones that come back to bite you in some heartbreaking way (Dom fouling at the end of regulation against Gtown, etc.).
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Since there has been a discussion about coaches making obvious and bad mistakes. At the end of the 1st half of the Iowa Madison game, Iowa had fouls to give and were intentionally fouling to force Madison into working with a shorter clock. Except they fouled one too many times and gave Trice a 1-and-1, where he hit both. Whether it was Fran or the player that didn't know the situation, it's an equally unforgiving mistake, and yet since Iowa won, its largely forgotten about. Mistakes similar to this happen frequently and you really only remember the ones that come back to bite you in some heartbreaking way (Dom fouling at the end of regulation against Gtown, etc.).
No that makes him a completely incompetent coach based on this one instance. For real though...because they won it wasn't much of a talking point. MU wins and Wojo's lapse is an afterthought. And the funniest part is the mistake did not cost them the game. There are more concerning issues than that to gripe about.
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No that makes him a completely incompetent coach based on this one instance. For real though...because they won it wasn't much of a talking point. MU wins and Wojo's lapse is an afterthought. And the funniest part is the mistake did not cost them the game. There are more concerning issues than that to gripe about.
Well if you want to play the what if game …
What if McKwen doesn't make the incredible 3 at the end of regulation? Then you could argue that Wojo's lapse did cost them the game.
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Either you have a really crappy DVR or you don't know how to use it, which makes me question your take even more.
You have been on the fence about the play but thought he got hit. A new piece of sketchy evidence shows up and suddenly you're sure he didn't get hit.
Another reason I question your take.
Learn how to use your DVRs slow motion function and zoom if it has it.
Can we call in someone who works at Best Buy for confirmation?
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Well if you want to play the what if game …
What if McKwen doesn't make the incredible 3 at the end of regulation? Then you could argue that Wojo's lapse did cost them the game.
You could...you could also say our 68.8% FT shooting which is below our season average, several missed layups, and on and on.
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You could...you could also say our 68.8% FT shooting which is below our season average, several missed layups, and on and on.
Right, so dont play the what if game, that's my point, as Rome would say, scoreboard.
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You could...you could also say our 68.8% FT shooting which is below our season average, several missed layups, and on and on.
Come on, admit it........
That call was the most significant event in all of recorded history. Quit minimizing.
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Since there has been a discussion about coaches making obvious and bad mistakes. At the end of the 1st half of the Iowa Madison game, Iowa had fouls to give and were intentionally fouling to force Madison into working with a shorter clock. Except they fouled one too many times and gave Trice a 1-and-1, where he hit both. Whether it was Fran or the player that didn't know the situation, it's an equally unforgiving mistake, and yet since Iowa won, its largely forgotten about. Mistakes similar to this happen frequently and you really only remember the ones that come back to bite you in some heartbreaking way (Dom fouling at the end of regulation against Gtown, etc.).
Lavall Jordan got T'd up going into halftime of the game....if Markus hits both of the FTs to start the 2nd half, MU wins the game.
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Lavall Jordan got T'd up going into halftime of the game....if Markus hits both of the FTs to start the 2nd half, MU wins the game.
That's hilarious.
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Well if you want to play the what if game …
What if McKwen doesn't make the incredible 3 at the end of regulation? Then you could argue that Wojo's lapse did cost them the game.
First of all, it's McEwen (K and E aren't even close to each other on the keyboard). Second of all, the Koby 3 was MU's second crack at taking the lead. After Baldwin missed the second of his free throws due to the intentional foul MU had the ball down one with 16 seconds on the clock.....if Markus doesn't go all Leeroy Jenkins on that play maybe MU gets the lead and wins the game.
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First of all, it's McEwen (K and E aren't even close to each other on the keyboard). Second of all, the Koby 3 was MU's second crack at taking the lead. After Baldwin missed the second of his free throws due to the intentional foul MU had the ball down one with 16 seconds on the clock.....if Markus doesn't go all Leeroy Jenkins on that play maybe MU gets the lead and wins the game.
I actually thought that decision by Markus was the worst one of the game by any player or coach.
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First of all, it's McEwen (K and E aren't even close to each other on the keyboard). Second of all, the Koby 3 was MU's second crack at taking the lead. After Baldwin missed the second of his free throws due to the intentional foul MU had the ball down one with 16 seconds on the clock.....if Markus doesn't go all Leeroy Jenkins on that play maybe MU gets the lead and wins the game.
So sorry mu30egn, must be my dyslexia flaring up.
You are missing the point. I'm not blaming the wojo screw up for anything. It's a fools game to play what if. it didnt happen so why use it as an arguement.
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So sorry mu30egn, must be my dyslexia flaring up.
You are missing the point. I'm not blaming the wojo screw up for anything. It's a fools game to play what if. it didnt happen so why use it as an arguement.
Yep, just like its a fools game to go on and on about one dumb call that ultimately had little to no effect on the outcome.
Of course no one has done that so.......
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Yep, just like its a fools game to go on and on about one dumb call that ultimately had little to no effect on the outcome.
Of course no one has done that so.......
Have I? Nope. Mentioned it as a stupid mistake which it was. Hardly went on and on about it, keep your posters straight.
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...if Markus doesn't go all Leeroy Jenkins on that play...
Well played.
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Have I? Nope. Mentioned it as a stupid mistake which it was. Hardly went on and on about it, keep your posters straight.
I wasn't referring to you in particular. I was referring to the wave of posts from various scoopers. It was a big picture comment.
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Well if you want to play the what if game …
What if McKwen doesn't make the incredible 3 at the end of regulation? Then you could argue that Wojo's lapse did cost them the game.
Players make costly mistakes all the time. That was a great instance where a player made up for a coaching mistake. None of them are perfect. This instance has been discussed ad nauseam when there are plenty of parallels in regards to making a mistake in a basketball game.
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Right, so dont play the what if game, that's my point, as Rome would say, scoreboard.
That includes coaching. Coaching didn’t prevent FT makes...if we had shot our average, we win the game. But people want to distill done 40 minutes to one play.
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By Renee Row....those students sure are smart
(https://i.imgur.com/JDCIqiv.jpg)
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By Renee Row....those students sure are smart
(https://i.imgur.com/JDCIqiv.jpg)
I lived in that apartment JR and SR year!
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I was pretty optimistic about Gen Z, but perhaps I need to temper my enthusiasm.
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I was pretty optimistic about Gen Z, but perhaps I need to temper my enthusiasm.
+1
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By Renee Row....those students sure are smart
Is it supposed to be Markus shooting or something? If you’re going to criticize Wojo there are probably funnier things you could think of. Maybe it’s not even a dis of Wojo. I don’t get it.
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I was pretty optimistic about Gen Z, but perhaps I need to temper my enthusiasm.
Why?
(To the first part, not the second)
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Why?
(To the first part, not the second)
Hah. Well, I've heard some good things - but probably also more hopeful because they're largely my generation's kids - not those damn Boomer's kids!
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I am not sure why it was necessary to give some assclown student with a can of spray paint 1000x the exposure he would have otherwise had.
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I am not sure why it was necessary to give some assclown student with a can of spray paint 1000x the exposure he would have otherwise had.
Fair point, but perhaps it is a teachable moment for them if it gets back to them how silly they are being.
I mean literally that thing was up last night as MU is ready to play Nova with both teams nationally ranked....if they are going to be so brazen in their approach, magnify it so others can give them the feedback they should garner.
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I am not sure why it was necessary to give some assclown student with a can of spray paint 1000x the exposure he would have otherwise had.
I took this as more of a joke than a critique of Wojo. What makes you think this is a jab at Wojo?
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I took this as more of a joke than a critique of Wojo. What makes you think this is a jab at Wojo?
Oh, I think it was a jab, playing into the criticism that he has no game plans other than to shoot the ball into the basket.
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Some sweatervests on an online forum sure are getting their underpants in a bunch over a couple college students having some drunk fun.
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Some sweatervests on an online forum sure are getting their underpants in a bunch over a couple college students having some drunk fun.
Gee, Unleash, I thought we were friends. :'(
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It would’ve actually been a pretty good joke if the stick figure was wearing a “0” jersey. Regardless, that’s what I took the sign as: A joke. Some folks need to lighten up and not get so offended when their unicorn is poked fun at.
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I was pretty optimistic about Gen Z, but perhaps I need to temper my enthusiasm.
Dont generalize us thanks pal
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Lavall Jordan got T'd up going into halftime of the game....if Markus hits both of the FTs to start the 2nd half, MU wins the game.
There was still an entire half of basketball left. If he hits them perhaps MU plays differently or Butler plays differently. Two first half free throws didn't materially change the outcome of the game with 20 more minutes left.
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I took this as more of a joke than a critique of Wojo. What makes you think this is a jab at Wojo?
It was definitely a jab.
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Some sweatervests on an online forum sure are getting their underpants in a bunch over a couple college students having some drunk fun.
Nojos see no problem in it, of course.
I would have preferred if they just had a Verdict Is In banner.
Own zero sweatervests
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Maybe they should call the players “choking dogs.” Cheeks is ok with that
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Pretty cool if you ask me. Wojo's first banner!
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Nojos see no problem in it, of course.
I would have preferred if they just had a Verdict Is In banner.
Own zero sweatervests
Not owning a sweater vest doesn’t mean you aren’t one.
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Was really hoping that someone on here also lived in Renee 221 so we could talk about how they don't deserve to live at that place...
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Not owning a sweater vest doesn’t mean you aren’t one.
True....the verdict is in
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Not owning a sweater vest doesn’t mean you aren’t one.
Zubaz matta.
https://zubaz.com/estore/ncaa/team/marquette-golden-eagles/marquette-golden-eagles-navy-blue-gold-zebra-pant
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Zubaz matta.
https://zubaz.com/estore/ncaa/team/marquette-golden-eagles/marquette-golden-eagles-navy-blue-gold-zebra-pant
I wish Zubaz didn't fade so easily.
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I think Chick characterized most of our frustrations well, but Gen Z is getting replaced by "iGen?" I am currently working on a deal with a local University and the Bursar told me their Provost has the staff reading a book about the iGen. According to him, Rocky's Gen Z kids look like the Greatest Generation in comparison. Pampered, poor communicators (unless it's social media), etc. I've got to get a copy of the book to read it.
My kids are split. One Millennial and one Z Gen (I think). Both act more like Baby Boomers, but I like them anyway.
If MU hit a third of their open shots in the beginning of the Nova game, it would have been a significantly different game. I think Nova is the 4th-5th team in the league. The Hall is very strong, and Creighton can be scary good at times. I look forward to seeing MU go up against either Butler or Nova in the BEast Tournament.
PS: If the kid that put up that poor excuse of a sheet is iGen, he's already sent a text to Mommy saying he needs new sheets because the dry cleaners ruined this one after the housecleaners sent it in.
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Gen Z is the same as iGen.
And any resource that starts out by calling them pampered and poor communicators probably needs to be discounted.
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Gen Z is the same as iGen.
And any resource that starts out by calling them pampered and poor communicators probably needs to be discounted.
I have an iGen in the house....the list of characteristics is pretty spot on in general terms.
Dr. Twenge lists several characteristics of iGen’ers that differentiate them (iGen) from their parents and older siblings. A partial list that follows shows that iGen’ers typically are:
- much more tolerant of others, different races and cultures, sexual orientations;
- more cautious and averse to taking risks;
- growing up more slowly, not wanting to stay home alone, manage their own money, etc.;
- aware and concerned about an economy shaped by income inequality;
- less likely to drink alcohol or take drugs in high school;
- less likely to attend church;
- more likely to think for themselves and not believe authority figures in church or government;
- delaying having serious romantic relationships;
- experiencing fewer teen pregnancies;
- spending less time in shopping malls;
- less likely to go see a movie;
- not inclined as much to run away
- not all that interested in getting a driver’s license right away (one of four iGen’ers do not have a license by the time they graduate from high school);
- less interested in face-to-face contact with others, preferring instead to connect via smartphones;
- less interested in reading books, magazines or newspapers;
- spending more time playing computer games
- less experienced in having an after-school or summer job and earning money while in high school;
- feeling more depressed than those in prior generations;
- feeling lonely and not needed;
- susceptible to higher suicide rates;
- more supervised and protected while growing up;
- spending enormous amounts of time using social media and smart phones; sometimes well into the early hours of the morning; and,
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I have an iGen in the house....the list of characteristics is pretty spot on in general terms.
Dr. Twenge lists several characteristics of iGen’ers that differentiate them (iGen) from their parents and older siblings. A partial list that follows shows that iGen’ers typically are:
- much more tolerant of others, different races and cultures, sexual orientations;
- more cautious and averse to taking risks;
- growing up more slowly, not wanting to stay home alone, manage their own money, etc.;
- aware and concerned about an economy shaped by income inequality;
- less likely to drink alcohol or take drugs in high school;
- less likely to attend church;
- more likely to think for themselves and not believe authority figures in church or government;
- delaying having serious romantic relationships;
- experiencing fewer teen pregnancies;
- spending less time in shopping malls;
- less likely to go see a movie;
- not inclined as much to run away
- not all that interested in getting a driver’s license right away (one of four iGen’ers do not have a license by the time they graduate from high school);
- less interested in face-to-face contact with others, preferring instead to connect via smartphones;
- less interested in reading books, magazines or newspapers;
- spending more time playing computer games
- less experienced in having an after-school or summer job and earning money while in high school;
- feeling more depressed than those in prior generations;
- feeling lonely and not needed;
- susceptible to higher suicide rates;
- more supervised and protected while growing up;
- spending enormous amounts of time using social media and smart phones; sometimes well into the early hours of the morning; and,
- more conservative politically and less interested in identifying with a political party. (18- to 29-year-old voters are now a larger percentage of all voters than those over 65.)
Reported for politics
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Reported for politics
???? It is a cut and paste from here. https://armyandnavyacademy.org/blog/just-who-is-the-igen-generation-and-how-are-they-different/
EDIT: Ahh...I see the part that triggered you. I will delete that line.
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???? It is a cut and paste from here. https://armyandnavyacademy.org/blog/just-who-is-the-igen-generation-and-how-are-they-different/
EDIT: Ahh...I see the part that triggered you. I will delete that line.
Sadly with you I assume you include those lines to push buttons and push the envelope on here.
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Sadly with you I assume you include those lines to push buttons and push the envelope on here.
I provided the article and the traits from the good doctor...it was a straight copy and paste, nothing more.
"At the end of her iGEN book, Dr. Twenge writes that iGen’ers “are scared, maybe even terrified. Growing up slowly, raised to value safety and frightened by the implications of income inequality, they have come to adolescence in a time when their primary social activity is staring at a small rectangular screen that can like them or reject them. The devices they hold in their hands have both extended their childhoods and isolated them from true human interaction. As a result, they are both the physically safest generation and most mentally fragile…If they can shake themselves free of the constant clutch of their phones and shrug off the heavy cloak of their fear, they can still fly. And the rest of us will be there, cheering them on.”
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- More likely to put up signs in their dorm room demanding the school fire the coach of their 2nd place team.
- More likely to spray paint bed sheets and hang them outside their independent living apartments which publicly belittles their coach in bullet point 1.
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Gee, Unleash, I thought we were friends. :'(
Oh you are still my best friend :-*
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I provided the article and the traits from the good doctor...it was a straight copy and paste, nothing more.
"At the end of her iGEN book, Dr. Twenge writes that iGen’ers “are scared, maybe even terrified. Growing up slowly, raised to value safety and frightened by the implications of income inequality, they have come to adolescence in a time when their primary social activity is staring at a small rectangular screen that can like them or reject them. The devices they hold in their hands have both extended their childhoods and isolated them from true human interaction. As a result, they are both the physically safest generation and most mentally fragile…If they can shake themselves free of the constant clutch of their phones and shrug off the heavy cloak of their fear, they can still fly. And the rest of us will be there, cheering them on.”
Yes. Snowflakes
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Yes. Snowflakes
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