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Author Topic: Wojo...what the hell  (Read 9877 times)

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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2020, 11:09:01 PM »
Well, at least he owned it.

Well, they can stop with the Valvano comparisons now.  Mistake by the staff, a big mistake and he took the blame. 

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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2020, 11:09:18 PM »
Lol. Ok. Whatever. 🙄🙄🙄
So you think that we would've stopped them?  I sure don't.  They scored on just about every possession in OT too.
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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2020, 11:09:36 PM »
Seriously stop trying to rationalize an absolutely stupid tactical decision that even the coach realized he unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.

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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2020, 11:11:03 PM »
So you think that we would've stopped them?  I sure don't.  They scored on just about every possession in OT too.


Yes. I will always bet on my team doing what they need to do versus giving points to the opponent.

Yours is a defeatist mindset.
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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2020, 11:11:14 PM »
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Wojo: I let the team down.  I made a mistake. Confusion on bench. I apologized to team. #mubb.

I’m at least happy he owned up to it as that was the ONLY defense he had.

Markus was a chucker tonight, haven’t seen that much this year.  Shame...a game we should have won.
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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2020, 11:11:20 PM »
He messed up.   He owned it.      But I almost wish he had done it on purpose.    Like letting a football team have a touchdown in the last minute in order to get the ball back for your quarterback.     That would have been a helluva debate.

That doesn't happen in tied football games, though. That only happens when a team is already winning and the opponent is close to the endzone.

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« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2020, 11:13:15 PM »
Well, at least he owned it.
Congrats Tower, I know that hurt a little bit.

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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2020, 11:13:20 PM »
I'm not making excuses.  Even if he did do it by mistake, I still didn't hate it.  The way we were playing defense, I am confident we lose that game in regulation if he doesn't do it.  And it did not end up hurting.
Umm, Ok. You don't hate the $2.1MM per year coach making a mistake of what the score of the game was?

You and I (and most MU fans) have different expectations of the head coach. If he can keep score, that would help.
 

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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2020, 11:13:53 PM »
A good follow up would have been “what was the confusion on the bench?”

Pretty bad time to have a collective brain fart.

Edit: Tweets say he didn’t know the score. Thought they were down two.

Ouch.
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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2020, 11:15:07 PM »
Seriously stop trying to rationalize an absolutely stupid tactical decision that even the coach realized he unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.
I didn't think Wojo called for it when it happened.  I thought Bailey didn't know the score and did it on his own.  I am just saying I still didn't hate it, because I am very confident they score with little time on the clock and we lose if we don't foul.  At least this way we had a chance to win.  I get it, you all don't agree.  The real indictment of Wojo in my stance is that he could not formulate a defense to stop Baldwin in the closing minutes other than hoping he'd miss, so we were going to lose if we didn't foul.
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« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2020, 11:16:04 PM »
I’m at least happy he owned up to it as that was the ONLY defense he had.

Markus was a chucker tonight, haven’t seen that much this year.  Shame...a game we should have won.

Lavin and crew were talking about this in the postgame. Saying that there were noticeable situations where Markus was taking bad shots with teammates wide open and calling for the ball.

It's easier to call out after a loss, of course, but those kinds of plays could be the difference between a win and a loss in a few more games this year. If he can get out of the tunnel vision just a little bit more, it will gives us some more opportunities. He's having a helluva year, but this one little improvement could be big for the team.

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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2020, 11:16:20 PM »
I still can’t believe MU didn’t go 2 for 1 with 40 plus seconds left and the ball.

That end of game strategy was so bad. I say this in the NFL threads all the time...you have a collective staff earning millions of dollars. Basic game strategy should not be a constant challenge. Game Score. Time Left. Situation.

So dumb.
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« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2020, 11:16:48 PM »
He messed up.   He owned it.      But I almost wish he had done it on purpose.    Like letting a football team have a touchdown in the last minute in order to get the ball back for your quarterback.     That would have been a helluva debate.


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« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2020, 11:18:46 PM »
Congrats Tower, I know that hurt a little bit.

Not at all.   I was flummoxed at the time, included it in my postgame, engaged in some out-there speculation, and ultimately had my question answered.     No pain. 
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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2020, 11:20:33 PM »
He messed up.   He owned it.      But I almost wish he had done it on purpose.    Like letting a football team have a touchdown in the last minute in order to get the ball back for your quarterback.     That would have been a helluva debate.

Yep, seeing that now.  Just a lousy job down the stretch all around.

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« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2020, 11:21:19 PM »
I don’t know a single coach/team/program that uses the 2 for 1 in college basketball. The clock doesn’t stop after a made basket in college basketball like it does in the NBA in the last minute (or 2 minutes?). Makes it almost impossible to go 2 for 1, especially with 41 seconds left. So you’re just going to rush a shot just to not get the ball back anyways. 41 seconds left, you hoist it at the earliest with 39 seconds left. You probably miss a bad look if you’re going that fast, so they get the rebound with 37 seconds left. They run the clock down and shoot it with 10 seconds left. If they don’t score you need to rebound and get it down court for a shot very quick. If they score you’re using a TO to stop the clock. They then set their D and you need a bucket going the full court.
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Re: Wojo...what the hell
« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2020, 11:21:25 PM »
It's not that uncommon in European pro leagues....

Jesus. If this is true no wonder we keep having to bail them out.
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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2020, 11:23:36 PM »
The clock doesn’t stop after a made basket in college basketball like it does in the NBA in the last minute (or 2 minutes?). Makes it almost impossible to go 2 for 1, especially with 41 seconds left.

It absolutely does in the last minute of regulation.

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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2020, 11:26:19 PM »
I don’t know a single coach/team/program that uses the 2 for 1 in college basketball. The clock doesn’t stop after a made basket in college basketball like it does in the NBA in the last minute (or 2 minutes?). Makes it almost impossible to go 2 for 1, especially with 41 seconds left. So you’re just going to rush a shot just to not get the ball back anyways. 41 seconds left, you hoist it at the earliest with 39 seconds left. You probably miss a bad look if you’re going that fast, so they get the rebound with 37 seconds left. They run the clock down and shoot it with 10 seconds left. If they don’t score you need to rebound and get it down court for a shot very quick. If they score you’re using a TO to stop the clock. They then set their D and you need a bucket going the full court.

The clock stops in the last minute on a make.
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« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2020, 11:27:26 PM »
Yep. The rationalizing here on this is nuts. I do give Wojo credit for owning it. Could have made some lame excuse.

Agree. Yet a pretty critical situation and game to have a brain fart.
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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2020, 11:28:52 PM »
The clock stops in the last minute on a make.

Then Butler had some home cooking on the clock tonight. Koby let the ball roll up the court inside a minute tonight but the clock was running anyway.
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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2020, 11:29:50 PM »
I don’t know a single coach/team/program that uses the 2 for 1 in college basketball. The clock doesn’t stop after a made basket in college basketball like it does in the NBA in the last minute (or 2 minutes?). Makes it almost impossible to go 2 for 1, especially with 41 seconds left. So you’re just going to rush a shot just to not get the ball back anyways. 41 seconds left, you hoist it at the earliest with 39 seconds left. You probably miss a bad look if you’re going that fast, so they get the rebound with 37 seconds left. They run the clock down and shoot it with 10 seconds left. If they don’t score you need to rebound and get it down court for a shot very quick. If they score you’re using a TO to stop the clock. They then set their D and you need a bucket going the full court.

The clock stops in the last minute of the second half after a made basket...not sure what you are talking about that it keeps running...that only happens in the first half.

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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2020, 11:30:44 PM »
The clock stops in the last minute of the second half after a made basket...not sure what you are talking about that it keeps running...that only happens in the first half.

Certainly happened in OT tonight when Koby let the ball roll up the court but the clock continued to run.
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« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2020, 11:31:28 PM »
Umm, Ok. You don't hate the $2.1MM per year coach making a mistake of what the score of the game was?

You and I (and most MU fans) have different expectations of the head coach. If he can keep score, that would help.

But hey..... Wojo looks great at a banquet and has a soothing voice.  He's got half the people here enchanted....

I want my coach to the know the score rather than tell me how good his recruiting class is next year.

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« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2020, 11:32:10 PM »
Lavin and crew were talking about this in the postgame. Saying that there were noticeable situations where Markus was taking bad shots with teammates wide open and calling for the ball.

It's easier to call out after a loss, of course, but those kinds of plays could be the difference between a win and a loss in a few more games this year. If he can get out of the tunnel vision just a little bit more, it will gives us some more opportunities. He's having a helluva year, but this one little improvement could be big for the team.
I agree.  I said in another thread, we saw 3 games and 37 minutes of beautiful team ball, where Markus was still Stud of the Game but everyone was getting involved and contributing.  That went out the window in the last three minutes of this one with disastrous results.

We give Markus his proper accolades when he plays well, it is fair to point out when he costs us the game as well.
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