Charting This Year Versus Last Year

[Heisenberg]

If you have not noticed, I scrapped a bunch of data and I have been making charts.

This is from Kenpom data.  He runs a daily rating for all teams.  The chart below is the game-by-game rating for MU last year (blue) and this year (orange).  Today (St. Johns) is game 19.

Last year's team was popular with the media, as the polls had it as high as #10.

But, if you believe Kenpom is an objective standard, there is very little difference in the ratings between last year's team and this year's team.

So, where would the orange line be if the Hauser's had stayed?  Would it be much lower (like 10 or below)?  Or, would it be essentially where it is now, which is the same place as last year?  Would it be worse?

[wadesworld]

Who?

[WhiteTrash]

Do I think MU would be better with the Hausers? Absolutely.

I base my opinion on Wojo, Izzo and Bennett's ability to evaluate talent. I think they are really good.

[warriorjoe]

Sam and Joey have a lot of time to think about their decision while sitting on the bench this season.

Go Warriors!

[GooooMarquette]

Who?

KenPom. He says we're as good this year as we were last year, before some dudes transferred.

[79Warrior]

Do I think MU would be better with the Hausers? Absolutely.

I base my opinion on Wojo, Izzo and Bennett's ability to evaluate talent. I think they are really good.

Yep. To think otherwise is silly.

[tower912]

If the Hausers had stayed, it is likely the rest of the roster would be different.   So it is difficult to project how good MU would be with them.

[GooooMarquette]

If the Hausers had stayed, it is likely the rest of the roster would be different.   So it is difficult to project how good MU would be with them.

Yeah...like the Hausers staying appeared to be contingent on Markus leaving, so we'd be missing a pretty important scorer.

[Ardmore Mug]

Yeah...like the Hausers staying appeared to be contingent on Markus leaving, so we'd be missing a pretty important scorer, and a couple of other players.....

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FIFY

[Elonsmusk]

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FIFY

Who were the players that were going to leave if the Hauser's stayed? 

[BM1090]

Who were the players that were going to leave if the Hauser's stayed?

Not verified but rumor was a Sacar grad transfer and possibly Brendan in addition to Markus.

[willie warrior]

Not verified but rumor was a Sacar grad transfer and possibly Brendan in addition to Markus.

This all BS speculation. No one knows.

[MU1980]

This all BS speculation. No one knows.

You are correct that no one knows, but if you think everyone else was going to stay had the Hausers not left, I am not sure what to tell you.  Would you want to be teammates with Joey Hauser? His attitude would have most likely been even worse as a sophomore. The team would have had a much different look than this years team had they stayed and others left and most likely been much less athletic and worse defensively.  So when people say that we would have been better this year if the Hausers had stayed, that is just a guess, since like you said, no one know what would have happened with other players. 

[tower912]

This all BS speculation. No one knows.

It's bs speculation to say there would have been no roster shake up if they had stayed.

[BM1090]

This all BS speculation. No one knows.

I did say "rumor"

[Elonsmusk]

It's bs speculation to say there would have been no roster shake up if they had stayed.

True. Likely a function of players not thinking they could beat out Sam and Joey for starting spots/max minutes.

Think the whole Joey had a bad attitude was way overblown. Don't recall reading much of that during the season - but only after transfer announced. Truthfully, if I were a skilled offensive player, I'd find it frustrating to play with Markus. Not meant to slam Markus, btw.

All this aside seems to have worked out best for everyone involved and the team has done great without them.

[lawdog77]

True. Likely a function of players not thinking they could beat out Sam and Joey for starting spots/max minutes.

Think the whole Joey had a bad attitude was way overblown. Don't recall reading much of that during the season - but only after transfer announced. Truthfully, if I were a skilled offensive player, I'd find it frustrating to play with Markus. Not meant to slam Markus, btw.

All this aside seems to have worked out best for everyone involved and the team has done great without them.

if I were a skilled offensive player, I would love to play with Markus. His man cannot play help defense. Plenty of opportunities.

[The Sultan]

True. Likely a function of players not thinking they could beat out Sam and Joey for starting spots/max minutes.

Think the whole Joey had a bad attitude was way overblown. Don't recall reading much of that during the season - but only after transfer announced. Truthfully, if I were a skilled offensive player, I'd find it frustrating to play with Markus. Not meant to slam Markus, btw.

All this aside seems to have worked out best for everyone involved and the team has done great without them.

There was plenty of bad Joey body language toward the end of last season.

[MU1980]

True. Likely a function of players not thinking they could beat out Sam and Joey for starting spots/max minutes.

Think the whole Joey had a bad attitude was way overblown. Don't recall reading much of that during the season - but only after transfer announced. Truthfully, if I were a skilled offensive player, I'd find it frustrating to play with Markus. Not meant to slam Markus, btw.

All this aside seems to have worked out best for everyone involved and the team has done great without them.

Did you not watch the games last year, especially starting halfway through the season?  It was obvious even from a casual fan that he did not have a great attitude.  The interesting thing to me is that Sam was always one of my favorite players and Joey quickly turned into one of my least favorite players.  I think Sam has a brighter future ahead of him than Joey does just because of their different personalities and attitudes.  It will be very interesting to me to see how they both do next year, but I would expect Sam to have more success. 

[bilsu]

I keep reflecting back to what I thought when the team got in a fight with Seton Hall in the Big East tournament. The Hausers just stood by as the rest of the team got involved in the melee. At that time I thought they were smart and showed more discipline than our other players. Now I believe they just did not care to defend their teammates.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

There was plenty of bad Joey body language toward the end of last season.

Yes but how did he do with his slaps of five?

[Silkk the Shaka]

I keep reflecting back to what I thought when the team got in a fight with Seton Hall in the Big East tournament. The Hausers just stood by as the rest of the team got involved in the melee. At that time I thought they were smart and showed more discipline than our other players. Now I believe they just did not care to defend their teammates.

Soft serve vanilla

[The Sultan]

To be fair, I interpreted his bad body language at the time as more frustration at himself.  But in retrospect, it was obvious that he wasn't happy at MU. 

[zcg2013]

To be fair, I interpreted his bad body language at the time as more frustration at himself.  But in retrospect, it was obvious that he wasn't happy at MU.

I thought it was about his play but I remember one game (I believe vs. DePaul) Joey had a turnover right before the break and Markus got in his face just a bit. Joey's reaction was just horrible. When you got one of the leaders on your team talking to you about a mistake, you can't have that attitude. I am fairly certain this was mentioned in other threads but if Joey has that attitude, imagine how he reacts if Izzo gets in his grill like he did Aaron Henry last year.

[lawdog77]

I keep reflecting back to what I thought when the team got in a fight with Seton Hall in the Big East tournament. The Hausers just stood by as the rest of the team got involved in the melee. At that time I thought they were smart and showed more discipline than our other players. Now I believe they just did not care to defend their teammates.

Is there a video of this? The only one I can find when Theo was ejected, as well as Anim, is that Joey was on the bench and Sam was in the fray holding people back.