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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2020, 11:49:40 PM »
Buzz’s teams looked fresh and ready in the NCAA tournament.

Wojo’s teams have looked tired and unprepared.

Except when they collapsed a 15 point lead in the second half to Washington.  Etc....  memories are so fragile with age.

I guess being up at half against South Carolina and very much in the game until the final seven minutes means we weren’t prepared...LOL.
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2020, 11:51:28 PM »
Okay--helping you wonks. 

Wonks!?  And you attached phone pics?  Screenshot attached.  And see your PMs.

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2020, 11:53:05 PM »
Okay--helping you wonks.  Inserting polynomial trends (most appropriate, order adjusted based on turning points).  Using KPom ranks back to 1997 at season end. Season to date in 2020.

  • Versus BE entry:  Average/flat momentum.  Holding our own
  • Over time: Holding our own but slightly soft on momentum with those great NCAA years.


In other words, Wojo holding serve but he promised us the Golden Ticket.  Some are patient.  Some are impatient.  Wojo has MU right in-between.


He promised us the Golden Ticket....source please.

Hell, MU didn’t promise it either.
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2020, 08:22:50 AM »
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2020, 08:38:58 AM »
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Don't you need an 'banner asterisk' with the footnote "Except 2018, which was totally expected so stop pointing it out"

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2020, 08:50:36 AM »
Don't you need an 'banner asterisk' with the footnote "Except 2018, which was totally expected so stop pointing it out"

Agreed.

And I probably should have matched the font to this one that is hung in MU's banner rack, sponsored by Arby's:


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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2020, 09:08:39 AM »
Topper, did you really stop buying tickets?
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2020, 09:25:44 AM »
Topper, did you really stop buying tickets?

Yes with an asterisk.   After 19 years of season tickets, we dropped to a mini-plan this year, knowingly blowing most of our blue/gold points.   Probably should have gone to single game tickets, but Mrs. Hilltopper couldn't quit cold turkey, so here we are.

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2020, 09:40:43 AM »
Yes with an asterisk.   After 19 years of season tickets, we dropped to a mini-plan this year, knowingly blowing most of our blue/gold points.   Probably should have gone to single game tickets, but Mrs. Hilltopper couldn't quit cold turkey, so here we are.

Good for Mrs. Hilltopper!
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2020, 09:44:19 AM »
Good for Mrs. Hilltopper!

I was ready to drop a few seasons ago.  You know what broke her spirit?  Hausershima.  (And being married to me, tid-dit-boom.)

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2020, 09:48:30 AM »

He promised us the Golden Ticket....source please.

Hell, MU didn’t promise it either.

You are right. We were promised 9-9 and 5th place in the BE.

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2020, 10:06:52 AM »
I see that everyone has thoroughly enjoyed the 2 for 5 menu at Arby's. Dauster is right...we truly are a miserable fanbase. But you love what you love.
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2020, 10:12:41 AM »

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2020, 10:11:35 PM »
Yes with an asterisk.   After 19 years of season tickets, we dropped to a mini-plan this year, knowingly blowing most of our blue/gold points.   Probably should have gone to single game tickets, but Mrs. Hilltopper couldn't quit cold turkey, so here we are.

Thank goodness for Mrs Topper
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2020, 10:12:59 PM »
You are right. We were promised 9-9 and 5th place in the BE.

#wineveryday

I think he promised a competitive program and playing within the rules, representing the university well, graduating players, competing for conference titles, etc. 
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2020, 10:29:28 PM »
Except when they collapsed a 15 point lead in the second half to Washington.  Etc....  memories are so fragile with age.

I guess being up at half against South Carolina and very much in the game until the final seven minutes means we weren’t prepared...LOL.

Or when they lost 5 out of the last 7 (4 out of the last 4).

Two of those were losses to the “we should never lose to” Providence and St John’s teams. And the two wins were against 3-15 DePaul in overtime and a mediocre Georgetown team.


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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2020, 06:51:27 AM »
Yes with an asterisk.   After 19 years of season tickets, we dropped to a mini-plan this year, knowingly blowing most of our blue/gold points.   Probably should have gone to single game tickets, but Mrs. Hilltopper couldn't quit cold turkey, so here we are.

Couldn’t you have bought a single $125 seat to keep those points alive incase you want to purchase in the future?
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2020, 07:54:24 AM »
Or when they lost 5 out of the last 7 (4 out of the last 4).

Two of those were losses to the “we should never lose to” Providence and St John’s teams. And the two wins were against 3-15 DePaul in overtime and a mediocre Georgetown team.

Or stepping on the line against Mizzou.
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2020, 08:15:26 AM »
Except when they collapsed a 15 point lead in the second half to Washington.  Etc....  memories are so fragile with age.

I guess being up at half against South Carolina and very much in the game until the final seven minutes means we weren’t prepared...LOL.

13 NCAA tournament games in 6 years, 8 of them wins. One large lead blown (it’s called an outlier) in a 2 point loss in a game that we were a 1 point favorite in.

Versus

2 NCAA tournament games in 5 years, 0 of them wins. A 20 point loss in a pick ‘em game (one in which you admitted we ran out of gas) and a 19 point loss as a 4.5 point favorite.

Whose memory is “fragile with age”? You have your biases, I have the facts. Rinse, wash, repeat.

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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2020, 08:27:15 AM »
13 NCAA tournament games in 6 years, 8 of them wins. One large lead blown (it’s called an outlier) in a 2 point loss in a game that we were a 1 point favorite in.

Versus

2 NCAA tournament games in 5 years, 0 of them wins. A 20 point loss in a pick ‘em game (one in which you admitted we ran out of gas) and a 19 point loss as a 4.5 point favorite.

Whose memory is “fragile with age”? You have your biases, I have the facts. Rinse, wash, repeat.

You can't say every game they looked fresh in the wins though. They certainly didn't against Utah St, Murray St or Davidson. Add those to Washington, Mizzou, UNC, Syracuse (2013) and Florida as tired and unprepared.

They looked fresh and ready against Miami, Xavier, BYU, and Syracuse (2011)

Don't remember the Butler game very well as I was hammered so no opinion. And I know you'll respond with location of Murray St or Dom coming back from injury. But then why disqualify location of South Carolina game and Lazar stepping on the line is a mental error that had nothing to do with "the return"
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2020, 08:30:46 AM »
I find it interesting that the numbers currently show us doing better this year than last, yet some think that Powell might beat Markus for BE POY because we aren't doing well enough for Markus to win.

If Markus won last season with those team numbers, he can certainly win it this year with better overall team numbers, and absolutely devastating personal stats.

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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2020, 08:32:46 AM »
Or when they lost 5 out of the last 7 (4 out of the last 4).

Two of those were losses to the “we should never lose to” Providence and St John’s teams. And the two wins were against 3-15 DePaul in overtime and a mediocre Georgetown team.

Memories are a one way street around here....remember that  8-)
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2020, 08:34:24 AM »
You can't say every game they looked fresh in the wins though. They certainly didn't against Utah St, Murray St or Davidson. Add those to Washington, Mizzou, UNC, Syracuse (2013) and Florida as tired and unprepared.

They looked fresh and ready against Miami, Xavier, BYU, and Syracuse (2011)

Yup, but that would be counter to the agenda point he is failing to make that Buzz’steams wer always fresh and prepared at the end and Wojo’s weren’t....facts be damned.
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Re: Updated trajectory ratings since MU joined new Big East
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2020, 08:58:53 AM »
13 NCAA tournament games in 6 years, 8 of them wins. One large lead blown (it’s called an outlier) in a 2 point loss in a game that we were a 1 point favorite in.

Versus

2 NCAA tournament games in 5 years, 0 of them wins. A 20 point loss in a pick ‘em game (one in which you admitted we ran out of gas) and a 19 point loss as a 4.5 point favorite.

Whose memory is “fragile with age”? You have your biases, I have the facts. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Two completely different situations. Buzz was a very good coach placed in a great situation. He walked into a team with 3 Sr leaders. One an NBA Allstar. One MUs all time leading scorer before Markus and one the best PG we have had for awhile. The fourth starter was also an NBA player. Coming off the bench was a future NBA all star.

His second year he had Lazar, Butler and DJO. Though he had no center they played well enough to get to the NCAA tournament. Great job.

Following year he had Butler, Crowder, DJO, Blue. Give Buzz credit for recruiting a great.

Buzz’s first two years were impacted by Crean. Wojo’s first two were impacted by Buzz. Key question. Knowing what Buzz did with a better team the year before if MU hired Buzz Williams into the same situation as Wojo would he have been as good as he was when MU actually hired him?

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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2020, 09:34:42 AM »
Two completely different situations. Buzz was a very good coach placed in a great situation. He walked into a team with 3 Sr leaders. One an NBA Allstar. One MUs all time leading scorer before Markus and one the best PG we have had for awhile. The fourth starter was also an NBA player. Coming off the bench was a future NBA all star.

His second year he had Lazar, Butler and DJO. Though he had no center they played well enough to get to the NCAA tournament. Great job.

Following year he had Butler, Crowder, DJO, Blue. Give Buzz credit for recruiting a great.

Buzz’s first two years were impacted by Crean. Wojo’s first two were impacted by Buzz. Key question. Knowing what Buzz did with a better team the year before if MU hired Buzz Williams into the same situation as Wojo would he have been as good as he was when MU actually hired him?

Buzz inherited a 2-16 VaTech program ranked 166th in the country and 2 years later had it ranked higher than Wojo had MU.  Meanwhile Wojo took over a program that made the NCAA 8 of the last 9 seasons, and had 5 underclassmen, Top 100 players on the roster he inherited.  Not the players fault Wojo was a rookie coach, totally in over his head.

As for MU - Buzz inherited 1-year of great talent.  Year 2?  He found a way to make the tournament with a 7 man roster, which included  two guys under 5'9" - Mo and Cubillian. 

So, to answer your question, yes, I think Buzz Williams would have done just fine if he walked into the situation Wojo inherited.  Why are we even having this conversation?  It's no contest.

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