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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2020, 05:40:08 PM »
lying troll who no one with a brain should pay attention to.

Does anyone actually pay attention?

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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2020, 05:46:13 PM »
Better than telling the truth?

Better than calling names.

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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2020, 05:48:29 PM »
Yes. Was pretty much a no-brainer to put this league together seeing what was happening with consolidation of football schools through conference expansion.

The fact we play all teams twice is an awesome feature of NBE. Anyone know if that will continue once UCONN added?
It was answer as a, yes. Also, it kills two non conference games which is more than fine with me. Gives FOX Sports better games.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2020, 05:50:23 PM »
Better than calling names.

🙄🙄🙄🙄

I guess I should be happy that you finally decided to moderate this place. Too bad you’re not addressing the real problem though.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2020, 05:57:01 PM »
Much of what you have here is true, but let’s get a little crisper on the Williams dates.

Williams started January 2012, he was named AD in early December....his interview process and what he showed d he to his legal background and “plan” started a few months before that.  He was chosen for a reason. 

We all get it, he messed with precious’ happiness.

So Larry Williams authored the plan for the NBE while he was being paid by another university? And he did it in a few weeks or did he author that plan before he was even interviewing for the job? Seriously, do you ever read what you write? You obviously don’t like Broeker.

Btw, since you asked Larry, was hired as he was Mary DiStanislao’s buddy from ND to be the new sherif in town.  She also happened to be Pilarz’s childhood friend. Funny how that works. All three collected severance packages from Marquette.

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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2020, 05:57:10 PM »
🙄🙄🙄🙄

I guess I should be happy that you finally decided to moderate this place. Too bad you’re not addressing the real problem though.

WOW ! ! !   I guess he told u !!!  8-)

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2020, 06:02:16 PM »
🙄🙄🙄🙄

I guess I should be happy that you finally decided to moderate this place. Too bad you’re not addressing the real problem though.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2020, 06:06:34 PM »
Rocky.....you gonna take this?

Mods take a lot of lumps. We're tougher, and less volatile, than the average  fluffy blue monster.

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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2020, 06:08:20 PM »
Mods take a lot of lumps. We're tougher, and less volatile, than the average  fluffy blue monster.

Turning the TV to scoop. Much better then the packers

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2020, 06:08:45 PM »
Mods take a lot of lumps. We're tougher, and less volatile, than the average  fluffy blue monster.

Tougher=sleepy. Got it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2020, 06:12:23 PM »
So Larry Williams authored the plan for the NBE while he was being paid by another university? And he did it in a few weeks or did he author that plan before he was even interviewing for the job? Seriously, do you ever read what you write? You obviously don’t like Broeker.

Btw, since you asked Larry, was hired as he was Mary DiStanislao’s buddy from ND to be the new sherif in town.  She also happened to be Pilarz’s childhood friend. Funny how that works. All three collected severance packages from Marquette.

That’s not what I said and nor was the Big East plan completely authored in the timeline you had.  Williams did some good work, he did not do it all...many people involved including those you mentioned and those from outside MU.  You make it sound like the entire Big East plan was done by the time LW got there...that is inaccurate.

I have no problems with Broeker at all. 

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2020, 06:15:46 PM »
Waiting for the other shoe to drop still. You’re just a dishonest, lying troll who no one with a brain should pay attention to.

Nope.  Try to be honest, sometimes I a wrong.  There are folks here that know what I refer to that actually are in the business of sports, worked at MU, etc.  This isn’t NAIA / Div 3 nonsense in Indiana / Wisconsin and I’ll leave it at that.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2020, 06:16:09 PM »
It’s a real accomplishment to be asked to leave as an AD after a year and a half of duty. His bad far outshines his good.

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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2020, 06:18:11 PM »
He was terrible because he mismanaged the basketball program. He tried to kill a mosquito with a shotgun.  He could have managed that situation much better.

And that’s not myopic. That’s reality  What’s myopic is you claiming some other shoe would drop. Only to have nothing to happen. Because nothing was there to begin with and/or you’re a liar.

Incorrect.  As you know, or should know, not all things become public....how long has the sign stealing situation been going on but only recently came to light?  How many things NEVER come to light...you are better than this and smarter than this.  Not lying, you just don’t like it.
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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2020, 06:19:46 PM »
It’s a real accomplishment to be asked to leave as an AD after a year and a half of duty. His bad far outshines his good.

He was a black hole of AD’s, AINAh?
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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2020, 06:26:41 PM »
He was a black hole of AD’s, AINAh?

You’re the Larry Willians of this board. Not a compliment, AINAh.

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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2020, 06:37:51 PM »
You’re the Larry Willians of this board. Not a compliment, AINAh.

I have my supporters and detractors...I am fine with that.
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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2020, 07:15:21 PM »
Regardless of who ultimately gets majority credit for where the chips fell in 2012, Marquette and the C7 hit a GRAND SLAM in realignment.

2011 was a very scary time, affiliation-wise.  Syracuse, Pittsburgh and West Virginia had all left.  Football aside (while acknowledging football drove the realignment bus), BE basketball was gutted.  Louisville, UConn and Notre Dame were all looking to get out.  What was the league's future looking like? Hello Boise State and San Diego State as football only members.  Welcome Houston, SMU, Memphis, Temple and UCF for all sports (including basketball).  The day it was announced Tulane and ECU were being added, I believed we were being relegated to mid-major status.

All of the investments Marquette made (especially post Final Four 2003) would have been flushed down the drain.  The consistent 10k+ crowds the BE had regularly been getting would have been erased.  The NE based home to the league would have been taken away (nothing says NYC like all of the Southern, non-basketball programs added).

The fact that the C7 managed to band together, find a partner in Fox, retain MSG as a tournament site AND keep the Big East brand and basketball history is nothing short of miraculous.  I see what has occurred to UConn being "stuck behind" as a geographic outlier and mismatch in the American, and I shutter to wonder what might have happened if the C7 remained with football schools.  We'd likely be looking at Dallas as our tournament site this year, along with numerous schools that just don't prioritize basketball with empty arenas and continuous unfulfilled potential.

I'm overjoyed UConn is returning.  I'm grateful our schools stuck together in tumultuous and uncertain times.  I'm thrilled we added three schools with similar fan bases that are as passionate about men's basketball.

It takes a village to make something of this magnitude to succeed. Larry, Pilarz, Broeker, et al each played significant and historical roles bringing this together. We should all be thankful that MU remains in a power basketball conference, with resources and associations that allow us to compete at a national level annually.

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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2020, 07:18:41 PM »
Regardless of who ultimately gets majority credit for where the chips fell in 2012, Marquette and the C7 hit a GRAND SLAM in realignment.

2011 was a very scary time, affiliation-wise.  Syracuse, Pittsburgh and West Virginia had all left.  Football aside (while acknowledging football drove the realignment bus), BE basketball was gutted.  Louisville, UConn and Notre Dame were all looking to get out.  What was the league's future looking like? Hello Boise State and San Diego State as football only members.  Welcome Houston, SMU, Memphis, Temple and UCF for all sports (including basketball).  The day it was announced Tulane and ECU were being added, I believed we were being relegated to mid-major status.

All of the investments Marquette made (especially post Final Four 2003) would have been flushed down the drain.  The consistent 10k+ crowds the BE had regularly been getting would have been erased.  The NE based home to the league would have been taken away (nothing says NYC like all of the Southern, non-basketball programs added).

The fact that the C7 managed to band together, find a partner in Fox, retain MSG as a tournament site AND keep the Big East brand and basketball history is nothing short of miraculous.  I see what has occurred to UConn being "stuck behind" as a geographic outlier and mismatch in the American, and I shutter to wonder what might have happened if the C7 remained with football schools.  We'd likely be looking at Dallas as our tournament site this year, along with numerous schools that just don't prioritize basketball with empty arenas and continuous unfulfilled potential.

I'm overjoyed UConn is returning.  I'm grateful our schools stuck together in tumultuous and uncertain times.  I'm thrilled we added three schools with similar fan bases that are as passionate about men's basketball.

It takes a village to make something of this magnitude to succeed. Larry, Pilarz, Broeker, et al each played significant and historical roles bringing this together. We should all be thankful that MU remains in a power basketball conference, with resources and associations that allow us to compete at a national level annually.

I just wish the contract for tv was up next year, the ecosystem is such a mess right now there is a lot of uncertainty.  I’d like to see the conference lock in the revenue now while it is somewhat in tact.
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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2020, 07:34:54 PM »
Regardless of who ultimately gets majority credit for where the chips fell in 2012, Marquette and the C7 hit a GRAND SLAM in realignment.

2011 was a very scary time, affiliation-wise.  Syracuse, Pittsburgh and West Virginia had all left.  Football aside (while acknowledging football drove the realignment bus), BE basketball was gutted.  Louisville, UConn and Notre Dame were all looking to get out.  What was the league's future looking like? Hello Boise State and San Diego State as football only members.  Welcome Houston, SMU, Memphis, Temple and UCF for all sports (including basketball).  The day it was announced Tulane and ECU were being added, I believed we were being relegated to mid-major status.

All of the investments Marquette made (especially post Final Four 2003) would have been flushed down the drain.  The consistent 10k+ crowds the BE had regularly been getting would have been erased.  The NE based home to the league would have been taken away (nothing says NYC like all of the Southern, non-basketball programs added).

The fact that the C7 managed to band together, find a partner in Fox, retain MSG as a tournament site AND keep the Big East brand and basketball history is nothing short of miraculous.  I see what has occurred to UConn being "stuck behind" as a geographic outlier and mismatch in the American, and I shutter to wonder what might have happened if the C7 remained with football schools.  We'd likely be looking at Dallas as our tournament site this year, along with numerous schools that just don't prioritize basketball with empty arenas and continuous unfulfilled potential.

I'm overjoyed UConn is returning.  I'm grateful our schools stuck together in tumultuous and uncertain times.  I'm thrilled we added three schools with similar fan bases that are as passionate about men's basketball.

It takes a village to make something of this magnitude to succeed. Larry, Pilarz, Broeker, et al each played significant and historical roles bringing this together. We should all be thankful that MU remains in a power basketball conference, with resources and associations that allow us to compete at a national level annually.
Thank you for this. Great explanation.

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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2020, 07:45:16 PM »
Let’s hope UCONN doesn’t revert to their ethically challenged ways, because that will make it difficult to compete with them.
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« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2020, 07:52:48 PM »
I just wish the contract for tv was up next year, the ecosystem is such a mess right now there is a lot of uncertainty.  I’d like to see the conference lock in the revenue now while it is somewhat in tact.

Expect a bump in TV pay when UConn officially joins this summer.  We now have more content ti offer Fox, and more games/sessions to offer for the BET.  We also, by default, get an increased payout of we expanded to 11 or 12 members.

If the current landscape has shown anything, it's that leagues should not lock themselves in long term with a network. The B1G is choosing for shorter term deals to continually have periods of open negotiation.  The SEC will also be doing the same. 

The Big East entered into a 12 year deal with Fox to ensure stability and be financially secure moving forward.  With UConn, the league will likely have its longest period of sustained and continued membership in its history.  We have stability, security, visibility and the success.  We are in much better position today that in 2012.

Conversely, the American entered into a deal last year with ESPN for 12 years.  By the end of that deal, the B1G/SEC will be making $70 million annually and have had, likely two new contracts they have signed with networks.  At the end of the deal, the AAC will be making $8 million.

The P5/G5 split already happened, unofficially, in 2013.  It's why UConn is relinquishing its P5 dream and rejoining the Big East.  The massive G5 athletic budgets that are significantly subsidized will be interesting to watch in the coming years.  The revenues and payouts are just not the same, yet many are spending at similar levels.

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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2020, 08:20:27 PM »
The Big East imploded in September of 2011. Larry Williams started at Marquette on January 2, 2012. Marquette announced the start of their lacrosse programs in 2010. Nova announced they would upgrade their football program in April 2011. West Virginia announced they were leaving in October 2011. In December 2011, Boise St., San Diego State we’re joining BE football, while UCF, Houston and SMU were added.

Then Larry showed up and just had a magical plan for the new Big East migration? First, he had to publicly question why MU added LAX, though. It was well clear to the Catholic 8 that football was going to rule the conference and diminish the basketball value and they needed to control their destiny so a plan was hatched.

As I said, Larry did a great job on media and the exit...but MU and Nova already were well along on their migration plan for the current set-up. It took a year though for longtime partners ND and Louisville to chart their exits (and UCONN who failed). You can believe it or not, but to think MU didn’t have plans in place is not giving credit to Broeker or Nova to get the Catholic 8 on board. The first thing Pilarz did when he took over was to put Broeker on point. Why?  He had a plan.




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« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2020, 08:23:22 PM »
Expect a bump in TV pay when UConn
If the current landscape has shown anything, it's that leagues should not lock themselves in long term with a network. The B1G is choosing for shorter term deals to continually have periods of open negotiation.  The SEC will also be doing the same. 

I don't mean to sound rude... Every 2 years is not always greater than the previous two years.  I get that it's been great for a long time now, but if you get a very fair long term deal, you take it.

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« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2020, 08:36:33 PM »
I don't mean to sound rude... Every 2 years is not always greater than the previous two years.  I get that it's been great for a long time now, but if you get a very fair long term deal, you take it.

I agree.  I should have emphasized that the demand in viewership between content of the B1G/SEC is substantially different than that of the Big East.  They can afford to take deals that are shorter in length due to the incredibly strong audience numbers they pull.

While we will still get a bump from UConn, it would be nice to be entering the market again in the near term in order to maximize payouts.