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Big East is a great conference
« on: January 19, 2020, 06:52:16 AM »
I kind of questioned the quality level when the former Big East football schools left.  We know Brent did and he bailed.
But now, looking at the full stadiums with energetic fans for all the schools and seeing high level basketball being played.
This is exciting stuff.  New rivalries are being formed.  The Big East conference is quite resilient and its rebirth has been a great thing.

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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 07:32:15 AM »
Absolutely.  This is a great conference and only getting better adding UCONN next year.  Recruiting has been very solid.  Need a little more success in the NCAA tournament by more than one team (Villanova) and you couldn’t ask for more.  We are in a unique position as a basketball only Power Conference.   It’s gaining traction by the year.  Hope the next TV contract reflects that and we’ll be in a great position for the next 10-15 years.

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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2020, 02:47:15 PM »
I love this conference.  Buzz can suck it.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 02:56:46 PM »
Yes. Was pretty much a no-brainer to put this league together seeing what was happening with consolidation of football schools through conference expansion.

The fact we play all teams twice is an awesome feature of NBE. Anyone know if that will continue once UCONN added?


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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2020, 03:01:45 PM »
Yes. Was pretty much a no-brainer to put this league together seeing what was happening with consolidation of football schools through conference expansion.

The fact we play all teams twice is an awesome feature of NBE. Anyone know if that will continue once UCONN added?



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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2020, 03:10:38 PM »
What's become of the Big East really ended up as the best case scenario for Marquette and the rest of the Catholic 7.
People like to bash Larry Williams - often with good reason - but he was among the driving forces behind the C7 sticking together and forming the new Big East.

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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2020, 03:21:51 PM »
What's become of the Big East really ended up as the best case scenario for Marquette and the rest of the Catholic 7.
People like to bash Larry Williams - often with good reason - but he was among the driving forces behind the C7 sticking together and forming the new Big East.

The plan was well in place, led by Broeker and Nova AD when the Sheriff arrived on the scene. Where Lars gets credit is on the TV deal. Where Pilarz gets credit is corralling Georgetown and maneuvering Creighton (conference expansion more into the West) into the deal. Lars also did a great job on the exit negotiations.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2020, 03:35:47 PM »
Yes

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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2020, 03:40:37 PM »
Larry Williams is a confirmed clown and we’re better off with him gone. Having said that, Curb premieres tonight (!), his legacy will forever be remembered and appreciated for helping MU and the BE get off the ground and help turn it into what it is today.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2020, 03:46:58 PM »
The plan was well in place, led by Broeker and Nova AD when the Sheriff arrived on the scene. Where Lars gets credit is on the TV deal. Where Pilarz gets credit is corralling Georgetown and maneuvering Creighton (conference expansion more into the West) into the deal. Lars also did a great job on the exit negotiations.

Not as I remember it.
As I recall, Big East leadership wanted to keep football, inviting the likes of Tulane, East Carolina and San Diego State, among others. That was in November 2012, about a year after Williams was hired by Marquette ... which was right about the time of the Big East implosion. Williams was among the loudest C7 voices opposed to those football invites, which were the catalyst for the C7 schools leaving and forming their own conference.
For your timeline to work, Broeker and Nova's AD were working to form the new Big East before the implosion ... which is possible, but I think your you're not giving Larry his due.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2020, 03:56:17 PM »
Yes. Was pretty much a no-brainer to put this league together seeing what was happening with consolidation of football schools through conference expansion.

The fact we play all teams twice is an awesome feature of NBE. Anyone know if that will continue once UCONN added?
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2020, 04:16:20 PM »
Not as I remember it.
As I recall, Big East leadership wanted to keep football, inviting the likes of Tulane, East Carolina and San Diego State, among others. That was in November 2012, about a year after Williams was hired by Marquette ... which was right about the time of the Big East implosion. Williams was among the loudest C7 voices opposed to those football invites, which were the catalyst for the C7 schools leaving and forming their own conference.
For your timeline to work, Broeker and Nova's AD were working to form the new Big East before the implosion ... which is possible, but I think your you're not giving Larry his due.

That is correct, and having known Mike Aresco (Commissioner of the AAC) for more than 15 years, he can confirm it.  Williams was critical for the new Big East in a number of ways.  I think Dr is trying to give him some due here, but so many of one group cannot stand that he messed with someone’s happiness that it pains people to give him his proper accolades.  Dr. went farther than most and I give him credit for that.

 
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2020, 04:24:14 PM »
That is correct, and having known Mike Aresco (Commissioner of the AAC) for more than 15 years, he can confirm it.  Williams was critical for the new Big East in a number of ways.  I think Dr is trying to give him some due here, but so many of one group cannot stand that he messed with someone’s happiness that it pains people to give him his proper accolades.  Dr. went farther than most and I give him credit for that.

 

LW deserves a lot of credit for the NBE. But he was a terrible AD.
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Re: Big East is a great conference
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2020, 04:27:54 PM »
LW deserves a lot of credit for the NBE. But he was a terrible AD.

He’s been an AD at three stops now, with plenty of accomplishments at all of them.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2020, 04:32:08 PM »
He’s been an AD at three stops now, with plenty of accomplishments at all of them.

Good for Larry. He was terrible at Marquette. Which is why he was fired.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2020, 04:42:27 PM »
Good for Larry. He was terrible at Marquette. Which is why he was fired.

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2020, 04:47:50 PM »
Good for Larry. He was terrible at Marquette. Which is why he was fired.

Terrible seems a bit harsh.
The success of the NBE has a greater long-term impact on Marquette hoops than his mismanaging of Buzz. The launch of the lacrosse program was a big success.
Williams also made some blunders, and I didn't mourn his departure, but it wasn't all bad and some things were very good.

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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2020, 05:06:50 PM »
Not as I remember it.
As I recall, Big East leadership wanted to keep football, inviting the likes of Tulane, East Carolina and San Diego State, among others. That was in November 2012, about a year after Williams was hired by Marquette ... which was right about the time of the Big East implosion. Williams was among the loudest C7 voices opposed to those football invites, which were the catalyst for the C7 schools leaving and forming their own conference.
For your timeline to work, Broeker and Nova's AD were working to form the new Big East before the implosion ... which is possible, but I think your you're not giving Larry his due.

The Big East imploded in September of 2011. Larry Williams started at Marquette on January 2, 2012. Marquette announced the start of their lacrosse programs in 2010. Nova announced they would upgrade their football program in April 2011. West Virginia announced they were leaving in October 2011. In December 2011, Boise St., San Diego State we’re joining BE football, while UCF, Houston and SMU were added.

Then Larry showed up and just had a magical plan for the new Big East migration? First, he had to publicly question why MU added LAX, though. It was well clear to the Catholic 8 that football was going to rule the conference and diminish the basketball value and they needed to control their destiny so a plan was hatched.

As I said, Larry did a great job on media and the exit...but MU and Nova already were well along on their migration plan for the current set-up. It took a year though for longtime partners ND and Louisville to chart their exits (and UCONN who failed). You can believe it or not, but to think MU didn’t have plans in place is not giving credit to Broeker or Nova to get the Catholic 8 on board. The first thing Pilarz did when he took over was to put Broeker on point. Why?  He had a plan.

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2020, 05:18:25 PM »
Good for Larry. He was terrible at Marquette. Which is why he was fired.

He wasn’t terrible, he had the audacity of making some people adhere to rules.  You and others have a myopic view and not big picture, much of which we are enjoying huge benefits of right now.
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2020, 05:27:36 PM »
The Big East imploded in September of 2011. Larry Williams started at Marquette on January 2, 2012. Marquette announced the start of their lacrosse programs in 2010. Nova announced they would upgrade their football program in April 2011. West Virginia announced they were leaving in October 2011. In December 2011, Boise St., San Diego State we’re joining BE football, while UCF, Houston and SMU were added.

Then Larry showed up and just had a magical plan for the new Big East migration? First, he had to publicly question why MU added LAX, though. It was well clear to the Catholic 8 that football was going to rule the conference and diminish the basketball value and they needed to control their destiny so a plan was hatched.

As I said, Larry did a great job on media and the exit...but MU and Nova already were well along on their migration plan for the current set-up. It took a year though for longtime partners ND and Louisville to chart their exits (and UCONN who failed). You can believe it or not, but to think MU didn’t have plans in place is not giving credit to Broeker or Nova to get the Catholic 8 on board. The first thing Pilarz did when he took over was to put Broeker on point. Why?  He had a plan.

Much of what you have here is true, but let’s get a little crisper on the Williams dates.

Williams started January 2012, he was named AD in early December....his interview process and what he showed d he to his legal background and “plan” started a few months before that.  He was chosen for a reason. 

We all get it, he messed with precious’ happiness. 
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2020, 05:31:51 PM »
He wasn’t terrible, he had the audacity of making some people adhere to rules.  You and others have a myopic view and not big picture, much of which we are enjoying huge benefits of right now.

He was terrible because he mismanaged the basketball program. He tried to kill a mosquito with a shotgun.  He could have managed that situation much better.

And that’s not myopic. That’s reality  What’s myopic is you claiming some other shoe would drop. Only to have nothing to happen. Because nothing was there to begin with and/or you’re a liar.
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2020, 05:33:01 PM »
Much of what you have here is true, but let’s get a little crisper on the Williams dates.

Williams started January 2012, he was named AD in early December....his interview process and what he showed d he to his legal background and “plan” started a few months before that.  He was chosen for a reason. 

We all get it, he messed with precious’ happiness. 

Waiting for the other shoe to drop still. You’re just a dishonest, lying troll who no one with a brain should pay attention to.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2020, 05:37:39 PM »
Waiting for the other shoe to drop still. You’re just a dishonest, lying troll who no one with a brain should pay attention to.

C'mon now. Be better than that.

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C'mon now. Be better than that.

Better than telling the truth?
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