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[hairy worthen]

 

Year one rebuild  13-19.  9th in Big East
Year two 20-13.  Improvement.  7th in Big East
Year three NCAA.   3rd in Big East.  Lost to Final Four participant South Carolina
Year four NIT with two wins, lost to NIT champ. 
Year five NCAA and finished second in Big East. 

I'd say that is progression under almost any definition out there.

Year 6...in progress.  Landed best recruiting class in years

I said for my liking but whatever. Up and down mediocre results at best. The end of last year is a down for me

[Cheeks]

:-[I said for my liking but whatever. Up and down mediocre results at best. The end of last year is a down for me

You don't understand the definition of mediocre then...in my opinion.  Mediocre is not even making the NIt, like we did Buzz's last year.  That's mediocre.

As for my expectation, I have big expectations....higher than most here....because I want to win and graduate players and do it with high ethics.  Some just want to win, ethics be damned.


You asked what it would take for me to not be on board, I think I showed the progress made and that's what I am talking about.  We start going the other way for a period of time, then that's a different story.

[panda]

Year one rebuild  13-19.  9th in Big East
Year two 20-13.  Improvement.  7th in Big East
Year three NCAA.   3rd in Big East.  Lost to Final Four participant South Carolina
Year four NIT with two wins, lost to NIT champ. 
Year five NCAA and finished second in Big East. 

I'd say that is progression under almost any definition out there.

Year 6...in progress.  Landed best recruiting class in years

Wojo's banners...

[Silent Verbal]

You don't understand the definition of mediocre then...in my opinion.  Mediocre is not even making the NIt, like we did Buzz's last year.  That's mediocre.

Depends on the program.  For a school like Marquette, being relegated to the NIT is a failure.  With our budget and resources, it's tournament or bust every single year.  Mid and low major schools who play in one bid leagues can satisfy themselves with NIT appearances.  MU doesn't charter flights to games and play in an NBA arena and pay its coach $2 million per year in the hopes of making the NIT.

If the current admin believes the NIT is adequate, they should hire Brian Wardle, build a 10,000 seat arena on campus, and get rid of that private jet.  Until they do, the NCAAT is and always will be the standard.

[NickelDimer]

You don't understand the definition of mediocre then...in my opinion.  Mediocre is not even making the NIt, like we did Buzz's last year.  That's mediocre.

As for my expectation, I have big expectations....higher than most here....because I want to win and graduate players and do it with high ethics.  Some just want to win, ethics be damned.


You asked what it would take for me to not be on board, I think I showed the progress made and that's what I am talking about.  We start going the other way for a period of time, then that's a different story.

Trying to defend Wojo by referencing ANYTHING Buzz did is really stupid. Just some friendly advice.

[Cheeks]

Trying to defend Wojo by referencing ANYTHING Buzz did is really stupid. Just some friendly advice.

Why....he coached in this same Big East version that Wojo has....how did he do?   

[#UnleashSean]

As for my expectation, I have big expectations....higher than most here....because I want to win and graduate players and do it with high ethics.  Some just want to win, ethics be damned.

There's something very trumpy about this

[#UnleashSean]

Why....he coached in this same Big East version that Wojo has....how did he do?

This is dumb. 5/6 buzz years he out performed all of Wojo's 5 years. He had one bad year (made nit, declined BTW) and all you can do is talk about year 6.

[Cheeks]

Depends on the program.  For a school like Marquette, being relegated to the NIT is a failure.  With our budget and resources, it's tournament or bust every single year.  Mid and low major schools who play in one bid leagues can satisfy themselves with NIT appearances.  MU doesn't charter flights to games and play in an NBA arena and pay its coach $2 million per year in the hopes of making the NIT.

If the current admin believes the NIT is adequate, they should hire Brian Wardle, build a 10,000 seat arena on campus, and get rid of that private jet.  Until they do, the NCAAT is and always will be the standard.

Find a new team to cheer for.  I showed all of you the other day how few teams have made the tournament every year just for 10 years...what was it...7 teams.  And NONE of them are in MU's sphere.  So if that is the expectation, you guys will be perpetually miserable.

I don't think anyone is advocating for the NIT...that's Mike Deaneesque.  That said, we won't make the NCAAs every year nor is that realistic by any stretch of the imagination.  An NIT once every 4 or 5 years is going to be the likely norm. 

But here's the thing....it doesn't matter with some of the people here.  We make a NCAA and lose...."it's how we lost or how much we lost by"....which is a load of crap.  If we lost by 7, they would still bitch.  Same fans when we steamroll #1 Kentucky to go to the Final Four still bitching about the fact we got blown out in the Final Four.  Just how some people are.

[Lennys Tap]

As for my expectation, I have big expectations....higher than most here....because I want to win and graduate players and do it with high ethics.  Some just want to win, ethics be damned

We are not worthy. LOL.

[NickelDimer]

Why....he coached in this same Big East version that Wojo has....how did he do?

There's really no comparison. Buzz is a far, far superior coach and had far, far superior results to back it up. But I know that you know that. Take or leave my advice. It was given genuinely though.

[#UnleashSean]

Find a new team to cheer for.  I showed all of you the other day how few teams have made the tournament every year just for 10 years...what was it...7 teams.  And NONE of them are in MU's sphere.  So if that is the expectation, you guys will be perpetually miserable.

I don't think anyone is advocating for the NIT...that's Mike Deaneesque.  That said, we won't make the NCAAs every year nor is that realistic by any stretch of the imagination.  An NIT once every 4 or 5 years is going to be the likely norm. 

But here's the thing....it doesn't matter with some of the people here.  We make a NCAA and lose...."it's how we lost or how much we lost by"....which is a load of crap.  If we lost by 7, they would still bitch.  Same fans when we steamroll #1 Kentucky to go to the Final Four still bitching about the fact we got blown out in the Final Four.  Just how some people are.

Another argument you get stuck on. No one is saying they have to make it year after year for 20 straight years. They are saying the expectation is to make it every year and compete. Ie make it year 1 2 and 3. Bad year 4 oh well. Crap happens. But if you miss it 1,2,3,5,7. We have issues.

[Cheeks]

This is dumb. 5/6 buzz years he out performed all of Wojo's 5 years. He had one bad year (made nit, declined BTW) and all you can do is talk about year 6.

He did not decline it...stop lying about that.  We never got a bid.

I'm comparing apples to apples.  Look, Buzz is a very good coach, he also got us some great press we never wanted, his last year was a mess and he left that team to a rookie coach.

Those are all facts.  What is also a fact is the one year Buzz coached in THIS Big East he did not do well, especially picked to win the Big East. 

Now, we have a different coach, has made progress over the five years, this year a long way to go and best recruits in a long time coming in....but some of you love to be miserable and think a unicorn is arriving.  Ahh, the unicorn.

[#UnleashSean]

He did not decline it...stop lying about that.  We never got a bid.

I'm comparing apples to apples.  Look, Buzz is a very good coach, he also got us some great press we never wanted, his last year was a mess and he left that team to a rookie coach.

Those are all facts.  What is also a fact is the one year Buzz coached in THIS Big East he did not do well, especially picked to win the Big East. 

Now, we have a different coach, has made progress over the five years, this year a long way to go and best recruits in a long time coming in....but some of you love to be miserable and think a unicorn is arriving.  Ahh, the unicorn.

OK guy.

[panda]

He did not decline it...stop lying about that.  We never got a bid.

I'm comparing apples to apples.  Look, Buzz is a very good coach, he also got us some great press we never wanted, his last year was a mess and he left that team to a rookie coach.

Those are all facts.  What is also a fact is the one year Buzz coached in THIS Big East he did not do well, especially picked to win the Big East. 

Now, we have a different coach, has made progress over the five years, this year a long way to go and best recruits in a long time coming in....but some of you love to be miserable and think a unicorn is arriving.  Ahh, the unicorn.

The problem is the metrics you are using to compare the two coaches aren't actually relevant to true success.

So of course you're right. According to you and your own definition of positive growth.

[lawdog77]

They did?  LOL.  Not surprising.  Occupying the space between the ears of a lot of peeps here.

Don't flatter yourself. You are a laughingstock.

[Cheeks]

Don't flatter yourself. You are a laughingstock.

No doubt by some, but not with others.  Fine by me.  Your nonsense about the Zeller situation was funny...surprisingly brought up by a former poster that had law in his name who hasn't posted in a long time.....hmm.

[Cheeks]

Another argument you get stuck on. No one is saying they have to make it year after year for 20 straight years. They are saying the expectation is to make it every year and compete. Ie make it year 1 2 and 3. Bad year 4 oh well. Crap happens. But if you miss it 1,2,3,5,7. We have issues.

No one....in just the last 15 minutes someone said NCAA OR BUST.  So yes, in fact "no one" is false.

[Cheeks]

The problem is the metrics you are using to compare the two coaches aren't actually relevant to true success.

So of course you're right. According to you and your own definition of positive growth.

I'm happy to simply compare Wojo only...he has made progress in various ways each year...as already shown.

[panda]

I'm happy to simply compare Wojo only...he has made progress in various ways each year...as already shown.

Except for winning at the end of the season....

He's been mediocre. One bad season his first year and a solid season last year, albeit absolutely choking away a BE regular season title and watching his team crumble down the stretch.

Other than that, 8-10, 10-8 and 9-9. Zero NCAA tournament wins. In what world is that progress?

[Cheeks]

Except for winning at the end of the season....

He's been mediocre. One bad season his first year and a solid season last year, albeit absolutely choking away a BE regular season title and watching his team crumble down the stretch.

Other than that, 8-10, 10-8 and 9-9. Zero NCAA tournament wins. In what world is that progress?

In what world are you ignoring what he started with and got better every single year sans one?  More wins, higher ratings, better conference finishes, better recruiting classes, etc, etc....how is that not progressing? 

[Silent Verbal]

No one....in just the last 15 minutes someone said NCAA OR BUST.  So yes, in fact "no one" is false.

You're being purposely obtuse.  I'm talking about where the program was under Crean and Buzz.  8 straight NCAATs, FF in 2003, 3 straight Sweet 16s from 2011-13, consistently ranked in the top 25.  They proved that type of standard was achievable at Marquette.

[panda]

In what world are you ignoring what he started with and got better every single year sans one?  More wins, higher ratings, better conference finishes, better recruiting classes, etc, etc....how is that not progressing? 

He went from 8-10 to 10-8 to 9-9 to 12-6. This seems consistently average to me. Improvement from 9-9 to 12-6 but you cannot ignore how his team finished this season, followed by two key players transferring out of the program. Raging success.

As someone who is familiar with celebrating mediocrity, this is totally on brand for you.

[79Warrior]

In what world are you ignoring what he started with and got better every single year sans one?  More wins, higher ratings, better conference finishes, better recruiting classes, etc, etc....how is that not progressing? 

Dude, you destroy virtually every thread. Go spend time with your family.

[Cheeks]

You're being purposely obtuse.  I'm talking about where the program was under Crean and Buzz.  8 straight NCAATs, FF in 2003, 3 straight Sweet 16s from 2011-13, consistently ranked in the top 25.  They proved that type of standard was achievable at Marquette.

Yup, 8 straight NCAAs....8 out of 10....or the same as 4 out of 5 which I have ALSO said is doable and achievable.

We are currently 2 out of 3.  If we make it this year, that would mean 3 out of 4.   Hmmm. 

Yes, 3 straight Sweet @6's including a miracle gift (glad we were gifted it)...but that's part of the crapshoot that is the NCAAs.   Anything can happen...we had situations where we advanced, situations where we gagged against Washington after a huge lead, situations where we over performed and some we underperformed. 

I'm going to keep cheering for this team in the hope we get another shot at it.  Others, well they hope we lose so they can chase a unicorn.  Have at it.