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[Goose]

Cheeks

All good, just nice another poster with similar thoughts and time on his hands. I got your PM and believe you.

[Cheeks]

I guess the doubters are coming from Wojo's seven games under .500 lifetime Big East record, with just two seasons over (one barely). And, the one great season saw two of its three best players leave.

Wojo had an early start to this season to mold this team into something that was greater than the sum of its parts. He is a systems coach, and really doesn't deviate from that to change things up within a season. The problem is: He has been scouted. So, we are left with, can he coach up the players within his system for the rest of this season?

Most of us are hopeful, but many are also doubtful at this point. We see a stubborn coach who won't change his system to fit his talent. We see overuse of his star affecting cohesion.  And then n the BE, other than the first half versus Nova, we don't see talent stepping up into open voids the Hausers left.

These next three games are all winnable.  Let's see if he can earn his raise. I don't like golf.

The 7 games under .500 is bullshat.  The first year is what that entire record is about in a rebuild.  Those are just games played by people with an agenda...the first year with mostly another coaches's pieces.

I'm really stunned people are bitching about us losing at Seton Hall...I mean, really?  They were picked to win the conference for a reason,..they are good.  It was on the road.  I don't care if the Hausers were here or not, that is a game we are likely going to lose.  It's a game most teams in this league are going to lose in that building. 


Heading to the airport so my son can return to frigid Milwaukee.   On to the next game...Xavier is a huge game....no doubt.  Lose that one, and I get nervous.

[The Sultan]

Cheeks, if you think the issue is simply that they lost to Seton Hall, you really don't know what you are talking about.

[hairy worthen]

Lol.  Goose, I love you man but you are full of shat here. I think you don't know what mediocrity is and a lot of you would have fired some of the best coaches in history because your patience is so lacking.

And as I told you, on my father's grave, my daughter's health, etc...I'm not this new WhoaJoe character...and the mods can prove it.  All a ruse, sorry you and others buy into it.

It would be easier to believe you if you hadn't pulled the same thing before.

I'm just curious. At what point do you give up on the wojo era, what would it take? For me I see a guy who is in over his head. Maybe he turns it around, I would love to be wrong.  Middle of the big east and missing ncaa or losing first round are not good enough for me.

[skianth16]

The 7 games under .500 is bullshat.  The first year is what that entire record is about in a rebuild.  Those are just games played by people with an agenda...the first year with mostly another coaches's pieces.

I'm really stunned people are bitching about us losing at Seton Hall...I mean, really?  They were picked to win the conference for a reason,..they are good.  It was on the road.  I don't care if the Hausers were here or not, that is a game we are likely going to lose.  It's a game most teams in this league are going to lose in that building. 


Heading to the airport so my son can return to frigid Milwaukee.   On to the next game...Xavier is a huge game....no doubt.  Lose that one, and I get nervous.

Pot, meet kettle.

It's been mentioned, but the frustration isn't as much with the loss as it is with the way we lost. Scoring 18 points in the second half, shooting 33% from the field, 7 points from the bench, 21 points from starters not named Markus. These are all things worth being frustrated over.

[The Sultan]

Pot, meet kettle.

It's been mentioned, but the frustration isn't as much with the loss as it is with the way we lost. Scoring 18 points in the second half, shooting 33% from the field, 7 points from the bench, 21 points from starters not named Markus. These are all things worth being frustrated over.

Turnovers.  Blown away at the beginning of the second half.  Etc. Etc. Etc.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The 7 games under .500 is bullshat.  The first year is what that entire record is about in a rebuild.  Those are just games played by people with an agenda...the first year with mostly another coaches's pieces.

I'm really stunned people are bitching about us losing at Seton Hall...I mean, really?  They were picked to win the conference for a reason,..they are good.  It was on the road.  I don't care if the Hausers were here or not, that is a game we are likely going to lose.  It's a game most teams in this league are going to lose in that building. 


Heading to the airport so my son can return to frigid Milwaukee.   On to the next game...Xavier is a huge game....no doubt.  Lose that one, and I get nervous.

I am not going to rehash again my thoughts about the delay on the rebuild, other to say that it should have started from Day 1 with a Polewhacking of the roster and recruits who inevitably left anyway so he could get his talent in here sooner.

As for the Seton Hall game, if it wasn't the worst offensively efficient game since that first season on top of a very bad BE season start, then yeah, it's easy to dismiss. It's time to quit talking though, and start showing. Xavier is a huge game.

[jonny09]

I am not going to rehash again my thoughts about the delay on the rebuild, other to say that it should have started from Day 1 with a Polewhacking of the roster and recruits who inevitably left anyway so he could get his talent in here sooner.

As for the Seton Hall game, if it wasn't the worst offensively efficient game since that first season on top of a very bad BE season start, then yeah, it's easy to dismiss. It's time to quit talking though, and start showing. Xavier is a huge game.

Cheeks knows his stuff.  He's been in the sports industry for a long time.  He likes JJ. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

I am not going to rehash again my thoughts about the delay on the rebuild, other to say that it should have started from Day 1 with a Polewhacking of the roster and recruits who inevitably left anyway so he could get his talent in here sooner.

As for the Seton Hall game, if it wasn't the worst offensively efficient game since that first season on top of a very bad BE season start, then yeah, it's easy to dismiss. It's time to quit talking though, and start showing. Xavier is a huge game.

Feels like we need to go 3-0 over this upcoming stretch or tourney prospects become grim. I'd like to see some focused dominance in the 2 home games (comfortable 6-8 point Ws at minimum) and I don't care how we win in D.C.

Anything less and I don't see a realistic path to the NCAAs, as sad as that sounds. Would have been too many blown opportunities already.

Big turning point upcoming for the regime. I hope the team is prepared and plays as such. When backs are against the wall, character becomes revealed.

[jonny09]

I am not going to rehash again my thoughts about the delay on the rebuild, other to say that it should have started from Day 1 with a Polewhacking of the roster and recruits who inevitably left anyway so he could get his talent in here sooner.

As for the Seton Hall game, if it wasn't the worst offensively efficient game since that first season on top of a very bad BE season start, then yeah, it's easy to dismiss. It's time to quit talking though, and start showing. Xavier is a huge game.

I wonder if cheeks son thinks it's creepy that his old ass dad posts so much on an MU board.  Arguing with kids his sons age.  Dude needs another hobby.  Definition of creepy dad.

[Cheeks]

It would be easier to believe you if you hadn't pulled the same thing before.

I'm just curious. At what point do you give up on the wojo era, what would it take? For me I see a guy who is in over his head. Maybe he turns it around, I would love to be wrong.  Middle of the big east and missing ncaa or losing first round are not good enough for me.

I don't really give a damn....you guys said I was Billy, you were wrong. You said I was Warrior dad, you were wrong.  You say I am WhaoJoe, you are wrong.  You said same thing about probably 10 other people.  It mostly makes me laugh, but when the smart ones fall for it I just feel sad and trying to warn you the trap you are falling into....but whatever.

I'll give up on the Wojo era when I don't see progress and instead see REGRESSION and REGRESSION for a period of time.  I don't know why this is hard. I really don't. 

We have improved nearly every year he has been here...wins, recruiting, conference finish, etc.  This year is far far far from over.  Great class coming in next year.   I find it mindboggling that people actually thought we were going to win yesterday's game nor will most teams at Seton Hall.  They are a top 15 team for a reason and it was at their place....YET...we have some people who were cool last weekend and suddenly walking over a cliff this weekend.

Take the emotion out of it....take the 1970's out of it. 

Secondly, this absolute bullshat from some people here keep pining how we are this great program, fully committed and a great coach is just waiting to come in.  BULLSHAT.  BULLSHAT. BULLSHAT.  It hasn't happened in decades here an isn't starting when Wojo leaves.  WHICH MEANS...it's another assistant, another roll of the dice, another "let's hope it works".  That's why.  Until I see regression (meaning that recruiting is hurt, our ratings plummet which is tied to wins and losses) then I'm all in....because the dreamy alternative unicorn that people pretend exists waiting in the wings...doesn't....at least not one they can slam dunk says will be better....which means 5 more years....and guess what, if that guy does well....he leaves.  We aren't that kind of program to draw that unicorn and haven't been in half a century.  THAT'S WHY!

Some of you want to rinse, repeat the same thing over and over again.   Ironic as hell...Kevin Willard....read the comments on this board about Kevin Willard by the geniuses here at Scoop from a couple of years ago.  Guess what, Seton Hall stuck with him. 

[Babybluejeans]

This is not a complicated analysis. MU has simply not played to its talent in conference play. There's a lot of b-ball to play and I hope that changes. But anyone who purports that it will change is relying on hope, not on results.

[panda]

I don't really give a damn....you guys said I was Billy, you were wrong. You said I was Warrior dad, you were wrong.  You say I am WhaoJoe, you are wrong.  You said same thing about probably 10 other people.  It mostly makes me laugh, but when the smart ones fall for it I just feel sad and trying to warn you the trap you are falling into....but whatever.

This reminds me of one of the better, more underrated internet videos of all time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yurU4YieBq4

Can you do a video to prove the haters wrong Chicos?

[hairy worthen]

I don't really give a damn....you guys said I was Billy, you were wrong. You said I was Warrior dad, you were wrong.  You say I am WhaoJoe, you are wrong.  You said same thing about probably 10 other people.  It mostly makes me laugh, but when the smart ones fall for it I just feel sad and trying to warn you the trap you are falling into....but whatever.

I'll give up on the Wojo era when I don't see progress and instead see REGRESSION and REGRESSION for a period of time.  I don't know why this is hard. I really don't. 

We have improved nearly every year he has been here...wins, recruiting, conference finish, etc.  This year is far far far from over.  Great class coming in next year.   I find it mindboggling that people actually thought we were going to win yesterday's game nor will most teams at Seton Hall.  They are a top 15 team for a reason and it was at their place....YET...we have some people who were cool last weekend and suddenly walking over a cliff this weekend.

Take the emotion out of it....take the 1970's out of it.  Secondly, this absolute bullshat from some people here how we are this great program, fully committed and a great coach is just waiting to come in.  BULLSHAT.  BULLSHAT. BULLSHAT.  It hasn't happened in decades here an isn't starting when Wojo leaves.  WHICH MEANS...it's another assistant, another roll of the dice, another let's hope it works.  That's why.  Until I see regression (meaning that recruiting is hurt, our ratings plummet which is tie to wins and losses) then I'm all in....because the dreamy alternative unicorn that people pretend exists...doesn't....at least not one they can slam dunk says will be better.  We aren't that kind of program to draw that unicorn.

Fair enough. I disagree with you on the type of program MU is and should be. You are  settling and selling it short. I saw regression at the end of last year and this year including the Hauser fiasco. Like it or not that's on wojo. I have not seen much progression for my liking after 5 years.

[Cheeks]

This is not a complicated analysis. MU has simply not played to its talent in conference play. There's a lot of b-ball to play and I hope that changes. But anyone who purports that it will change is relying on hope, not on results.

But but but but some posters here say we have no talent and have only 1 high major player.  So which is it?  Whom to believe....you say we have higher talent level.  Other posters say we have low talent level.  So confusing.

[Elonsmusk]

This reminds me of one of the better, more underrated internet videos of all time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yurU4YieBq4

Can you do a video to prove the haters wrong Chicos?

Thank you for this.  Never have seen this. Epic.  Chicos...please do one of these!

[MUfan12]

The 7 games under .500 is bullshat.  The first year is what that entire record is about in a rebuild. 

Ok, so being 3 over .500 after starting 4-14 is good enough?

[dinger]

I don't really give a damn....you guys said I was Billy, you were wrong. You said I was Warrior dad, you were wrong.  You say I am WhaoJoe, you are wrong.  You said same thing about probably 10 other people.  It mostly makes me laugh, but when the smart ones fall for it I just feel sad and trying to warn you the trap you are falling into....but whatever.

You gotta admit you bring a lot of this on yourself too. Between the hoopaloop thing and multiple account names people will wonder. I figured those other guys were their own selves but who knows if they are iterations of other banned posters too. Besides, you spend perhaps a slightly unhealthy amount of time arguing on a MUBB message board, seemingly far more time than one can spend actually watching MUBB.

I'll give up on the Wojo era when I don't see progress and instead see REGRESSION and REGRESSION for a period of time.  I don't know why this is hard. I really don't.

Your take on this is as subjective as everyone else's. You could look at bartorvik team history and say we peaked in 2017, you could say we regressed this year to last, you could say we regressed the last 10 conference games. I dont care what your criteria are, just saying it is subjective for you too.

I find it mindboggling that people actually thought we were going to win yesterday's game nor will most teams at Seton Hall.

This is one of those short term expectations and long term expectations things. I definitely didnt expect a win yesterday. But 4 years ago had you asked if in year 6 we should win a tough road game to keep ourselves in the conference title hunt I would say absolutely.

Take the emotion out of it....take the 1970's out of it.  Secondly, this absolute bullshat from some people here how we are this great program, fully committed and a great coach is just waiting to come in

This is where you lose not only the extreme fans but the average fans. I wasn't alive in the 70s, but at almost every point in my life we have been better than where we are today. No it's not the 70s, but 2003, 2008, 2013 all seem so far away.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I wonder if cheeks son thinks it's creepy that his old ass dad posts so much on an MU board.  Arguing with kids his sons age.  Dude needs another hobby.  Definition of creepy dad.

I thought it was kind of creepy that someone would go into yesterday's Chat as faux Cheeks.

[skianth16]

I definitely wouldn't put H2 vs Nova in the bad category.  Our offense was very quiet for much of that half, but I think the defense was really impressive.  If you go 10 minutes scoring less than 10 points, you're likely to blow a big lead.  We didnt, because the defense was excellent too.

To a lesser degree the same could be said of H2 vs Seton Hall.  Ok defense, bad offense.  The wheels just came off after the Koby missed dunk and missed FTs.

When have we been "bad"?  The whole Creighton game and the last 10 minutes of Seton Hall.

What was the scoring drought in the second half against Nova? Didn't we only score 5 points in the first 12 minutes? And I think a 7-8 minute stretch with no points score? That's bad basketball to me. Plus, while I do think our defense was pretty good, I also think we got a little lucky and Nova missed some shots they would normally make. I want to say they shot 10% or something like that from 3 in the second half. Some of that is defense, but some of that has to just be luck on our part.

[BM1090]

What was the scoring drought in the second half against Nova? Didn't we only score 5 points in the first 12 minutes? And I think a 7-8 minute stretch with no points score? That's bad basketball to me. Plus, while I do think our defense was pretty good, I also think we got a little lucky and Nova missed some shots they would normally make. I want to say they shot 10% or something like that from 3 in the second half. Some of that is defense, but some of that has to just be luck on our part.

We missed a lot of shots we normally make in that half. And in the 2nd half yesterday. Were we just unlucky?

[skianth16]

We missed a lot of shots we normally make in that half. And in the 2nd half yesterday. Were we just unlucky?

A little bit. But we still finished both of those games a couple made shots off of our season averages for shooting. We weren't as far off our averages as Nova was.

[NickelDimer]

I don't really give a damn....you guys said I was Billy, you were wrong. You said I was Warrior dad, you were wrong.  You say I am WhaoJoe, you are wrong.  You said same thing about probably 10 other people.  It mostly makes me laugh, but when the smart ones fall for it I just feel sad and trying to warn you the trap you are falling into....but whatever.

I'll give up on the Wojo era when I don't see progress and instead see REGRESSION and REGRESSION for a period of time.  I don't know why this is hard. I really don't. 

We have improved nearly every year he has been here...wins, recruiting, conference finish, etc.  This year is far far far from over.  Great class coming in next year.   I find it mindboggling that people actually thought we were going to win yesterday's game nor will most teams at Seton Hall.  They are a top 15 team for a reason and it was at their place....YET...we have some people who were cool last weekend and suddenly walking over a cliff this weekend.

Take the emotion out of it....take the 1970's out of it. 

Secondly, this absolute bullshat from some people here keep pining how we are this great program, fully committed and a great coach is just waiting to come in.  BULLSHAT.  BULLSHAT. BULLSHAT.  It hasn't happened in decades here an isn't starting when Wojo leaves.  WHICH MEANS...it's another assistant, another roll of the dice, another "let's hope it works".  That's why.  Until I see regression (meaning that recruiting is hurt, our ratings plummet which is tied to wins and losses) then I'm all in....because the dreamy alternative unicorn that people pretend exists waiting in the wings...doesn't....at least not one they can slam dunk says will be better....which means 5 more years....and guess what, if that guy does well....he leaves.  We aren't that kind of program to draw that unicorn and haven't been in half a century.  THAT'S WHY!

Some of you want to rinse, repeat the same thing over and over again.   Ironic as hell...Kevin Willard....read the comments on this board about Kevin Willard by the geniuses here at Scoop from a couple of years ago.  Guess what, Seton Hall stuck with him.

[Cheeks]

Fair enough. I disagree with you on the type of program MU is and should be. You are  settling and selling it short. I saw regression at the end of last year and this year including the Hauser fiasco. Like it or not that's on wojo. I have not seen much progression for my liking after 5 years.

Year one rebuild  13-19.  9th in Big East
Year two 20-13.  Improvement.  7th in Big East
Year three NCAA.   3rd in Big East.  Lost to Final Four participant South Carolina
Year four NIT with two wins, lost to NIT champ. 
Year five NCAA and finished second in Big East. 

I'd say that is progression under almost any definition out there.

Year 6...in progress.  Landed best recruiting class in years

[Cheeks]

I thought it was kind of creepy that someone would go into yesterday's Chat as faux Cheeks.

They did?  LOL.  Not surprising.  Occupying the space between the ears of a lot of peeps here.