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Nukem2

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 01, 2020, 02:20:31 PM
Shooting n playing are night and day
No brace or wrap on the hand.

MUfan12

Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 01, 2020, 02:20:31 PM
Shooting n playing are night and day

Yup.

I had a sprained thumb a couple years ago and I tried playing again after two weeks and couldn't get through two games. I could dribble and shoot fine, but getting hit on it driving to the basket was excruciating.

Granted, I'm an old guy playing pickup a few times a week, but that's a terribly annoying injury. Especially when it's the dominant hand.

cheebs09

Quote from: fjm on January 01, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
From the tweet I think he's in the background shooting with The bigs

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1212454646108827652?s=21

Could be a body double. Wojo is pulling out all the stops for conference play.

willie warrior

Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 01, 2020, 02:58:56 AM
Maybe they will fit him with a club?    Put him in for defense only ;D
Now that is a great idea. That club would be great for blocking shots.
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Loose Cannon

Quote from: fjm on January 01, 2020, 06:45:01 PM
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1212535099536924682?s=21

In uniform and available for tonight.

Really Good News.  I'm always comfortable when he's on the Line  late or early.
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JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Glad he's available. But not going to lie, not sure he'd be in my starting 5 right now.
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tower912

Glad he is back.  Gets the rotations back to normal, takes the pressure off the freshman.   Going to need guards with size tonight.   Defense will be the difference.  Koby plays it.   Symir is improving.
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iammartino

Food for thought

Here's a quick comparison (and I know the limited playing time is a factor but):

Koby has played 317 minutes to Symir's 113 (so almost triple)

Koby has 38 assists, Symir has 22
Koby has turned it over 31 times, Symir 6
That means Koby has a AST/TO Rate of 1.23 and Symir's is 3.67.

Now, Koby has 112 points to Symir's 17, but I go back to I don't think this team is missing a scorer if Bailey, Anim, Cain, and Eliot keep improving. Not to mention if you start getting a combined 12-16 from the 3 big men.

I think ball movement and finding open shooters is more important at this point and helps get those other guys more points.
Also I know there's a lot more to defense, but Symir has 4 steals to Koby's 9 in 1/3 of the time.
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wadesworld

Quote from: iammartino on January 01, 2020, 08:04:41 PM
Food for thought

Here's a quick comparison (and I know the limited playing time is a factor but):

Koby has played 317 minutes to Symir's 113 (so almost triple)

Koby has 38 assists, Symir has 22
Koby has turned it over 31 times, Symir 6
That means Koby has a AST/TO Rate of 1.23 and Symir's is 3.67.

Now, Koby has 112 points to Symir's 17, but I go back to I don't think this team is missing a scorer if Bailey, Anim, Cain, and Eliot keep improving. Not to mention if you start getting a combined 12-16 from the 3 big men.

I think ball movement and finding open shooters is more important at this point and helps get those other guys more points.
Also I know there's a lot more to defense, but Symir has 4 steals to Koby's 9 in 1/3 of the time.

Symir has also played almost all of his minutes, with the KState game as an exception, in garbage time or against lower level competition. I think teams would beg Symir to shoot the ball and it would put pressure on everyone else by closing up space. Teams can't do that with Koby.

wadesworld

Well, here's some Scooper's wishes coming true. We'll see how it goes.

The Sultan

Not well. Symir can't defend. But he sure makes crisp passes around the perimeter!

Put Eliot in and let Markus run the show.
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#UnleashSean

Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 01, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I am amazed that people judge a players performance based off of how well they are shooting and completely ignoring all the other aspects of the game.

Welcome to scoop where they think Howard is the goat.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: iammartino on January 01, 2020, 08:04:41 PM
Food for thought

Here's a quick comparison (and I know the limited playing time is a factor but):

Koby has played 317 minutes to Symir's 113 (so almost triple)

Koby has 38 assists, Symir has 22
Koby has turned it over 31 times, Symir 6
That means Koby has a AST/TO Rate of 1.23 and Symir's is 3.67.

Now, Koby has 112 points to Symir's 17, but I go back to I don't think this team is missing a scorer if Bailey, Anim, Cain, and Eliot keep improving. Not to mention if you start getting a combined 12-16 from the 3 big men.

I think ball movement and finding open shooters is more important at this point and helps get those other guys more points.
Also I know there's a lot more to defense, but Symir has 4 steals to Koby's 9 in 1/3 of the time.

Notice how you didn't put plus/minus, rebounds, or defensive efficiency. Or mentioned that 90% of symirs minutes have been garbage time or teams

wadesworld

Yeah this team is going to desperately need Koby. If we can't even stay in front of Mitch Ballock...yikes.

Jay Bee

Quote from: iammartino on January 01, 2020, 08:04:41 PM

Koby has 38 assists, Symir has 22
Koby has turned it over 31 times, Symir 6
That means Koby has a AST/TO Rate of 1.23 and Symir's is 3.67.

Diff player types. Symir is an incredibly low usage guy; Koby has been medium.. turnover rates: Koby 25.1%, Symir 24.2%. Essentially even.
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Johnny B

Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 01, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
I am amazed that people judge a players performance based off of how well they are shooting and completely ignoring all the other aspects of the game.
Yeah without him tonight we lose by 40. I havent given on Koby yet but my God idk if it's possible to be playing worse.

Warrior of Law

Koby went to Utah State because he was a mid-major player. Now, he's simply an older mid-major player. He is what he is. Having expectations beyond that is unrealistic and unfair to him.
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panda

The strangest part of Mcewen's struggles is shy Greg isn't seeing more minutes. I'd be quite frustrated if I were him. Redshirting when you were healthy most of the year to sit behind a guy playing like Koby...

wadesworld

Koby shot the ball twice.  He's struggling to score.  But he was the absolute only player who showed any ability to prevent penetration tonight.  He's by far our best perimeter defender.

panda

Black hole on offense and terrible attitude.

wadesworld

Quote from: panda on January 01, 2020, 10:15:45 PM
Black hole on offense and terrible attitude.

...the guy shot the ball twice today.  Not sure I'd call that a "black hole."

skianth16

Quote from: panda on January 01, 2020, 10:11:03 PM
The strangest part of Mcewen's struggles is shy Greg isn't seeing more minutes. I'd be quite frustrated if I were him. Redshirting when you were healthy most of the year to sit behind a guy playing like Koby...

I keep expecting to see more Greg, but Symir's the one getting the minutes. And while I don't mind Symir getting some run, I'd prefer more of those minutes to go to Greg. Markus or Sacar can run the offense, just like they did all year last year.

I think Wojo is forcing the true PG minutes too much right now. Put the best 5 guys out there; it can be that simple.

nyg

Koby's stat line for tonight:

0 for 2 field goals. His three point attempt hit the top of the backboard, not an airball. 
4 turnovers
4 fouls.

He has made one outside shot in his last four games, the only one being a three against KSU late in the game.  One shot.

Last nine games:

Field goals: 12 for 59 (20%)
Threes:        5 for 35 (10%)
Turnovers: 27
Fouls:        28

Some have said look beyond his scoring, even at his "swagger".  Right.    Two fouls tonight in 50 seconds, screwed up the lineup rotation, defensive responsibilities went elsewhere and didn't show up again.  Zero points, 4 turnovers and 4 fouls.  With MU getting absolutely nothing from three players playing the five, Koby needs to get it together or this season going to be real long. 

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