USC receives level 1 notice of allegations from NCAA for basketball

[Pakuni]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2016/09/22/pete-carroll-not-bill-belichick-should-be-considered-the-nfls-foremost-cheater/#18523de1579f

I wouldn't call that cheating, unless you think helmet-less players banging heads in a June OTA gave his team a competitive advantage that season.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I wouldn't call that cheating, unless you think helmet-less players banging heads in a June OTA gave his team a competitive advantage that season.

Or, deserving of the Forbes "2016 Worst NFL Cheater" award for that, hey?

[Charlotte Warrior]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2016/09/22/pete-carroll-not-bill-belichick-should-be-considered-the-nfls-foremost-cheater/#18523de1579f

I'm sure someone in New England had something to do with that article

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I'm sure someone in New England had something to do with that article

You are correct!  About the author:

Alex Reimer is back for his second stint with SportsMoney. Previously, Reimer was a host and columnist for WEEI in Boston, and has written for several publications, including Boston Magazine and SB Nation.

[Uncle Rico]

As of mid-morning early signing period, USC has the 85th rated recruiting class.  Coaches matta

[79Warrior]

As of mid-morning early signing period, USC has the 85th rated recruiting class.  Coaches matta

Yep. Pretty obvious to just about everybody.

[Uncle Rico]

Yep. Pretty obvious to just about everybody.

Of the top 25 ranked California recruits, 20 are committed elsewhere than USC or UCLA.  The other 5 are trending elsewhere as well.  Coaches matta

[Cheeks]

I wouldn't call that cheating, unless you think helmet-less players banging heads in a June OTA gave his team a competitive advantage that season.

He's been caught at least five times violating nfl rules...he cannot change his spots.  Seahawks fined.

[Cheeks]

As of mid-morning early signing period, USC has the 85th rated recruiting class.  Coaches matta

Yeah, especially when hanging over his head was his firing that the media said did happen until it didn't. He has been dead man walking all year, that impacts recruiting the same reason ncaa penalties and other things do.  That same coach had the 20th class last year.  Prior to that, the 4th ranked class and prior to that the 4th ranked class again....same coach....hmm

Weird.  Obvious to everyone....LOL. 

[Cheeks]

Uh...no.  Please pay attention to the topic.

The point is that the NCAA violations had no impact on Carroll's success or his reputation outside of USC.

And there you go again with an absolute and false statement.  No impact...false.


Michael Hurley wrote a good article on his cheating ways at USC that continue at Seattle....but he is a nice, likable guy. 

[Cheeks]

The moral of the story, Boo-Boo, is that Yogi didn't know what he was talking about.

Despite your buddy's claim, cheating did not hurt Carroll, and, as others have pointed out, USC has performed much better post-Carroll cheating than it did pre-Carroll cheating.

This is not a thumbs-up for cheating. I wish nobody did it. It simply is your buddy making stuff up in his desperate attempt to prove points that aren't there. As usual.

Lol.  Where was I wrong?  USC has also performed much better pre Carroll depending on when you go back to, so that is a false statement by you.  I didn't make anything up, his reputation took a hit, especially out here, he went to the pros....Jimmy Johnson cheated his ass off in college and went to the pros for a successful run, too.  They are not mutually exclusive.  So, as usual, you are incorrect.

[Cheeks]

I noticed you ran away from that thread after my "investigation" (aka reading the article you linked in a post). I was simply giving you the opportunity to live up to your promise:

You are always talking about how you wish people would admit when they make a mistake or are wrong. You still have the chance to walk the walk.

I responded

[brewcity77]

I responded

By still refusing to walk that walk. Shocking. 

[Cheeks]

This is my favorite...Rick Singer...yeah, that Rick Singer...partnering with Win Forever...Pete Carroll's Win Forever.  Poor Pete just cannot escape getting his teat caught in the ringer time and time again.  The bad luck nice guy Pete has, it truly is incredible.

[Small Orange Soda]

I responded

Dude, c'mon: You can multi-quote in one post.

[Cheeks]

By still refusing to walk that walk. Shocking. 

I said I was wrong....what grain of sand is rubbing you wrong this time?

[Cheeks]

Of the top 25 ranked California recruits, 20 are committed elsewhere than USC or UCLA.  The other 5 are trending elsewhere as well.  Coaches matta

Top recruits fleeing California like so many citizens here are....smart kids.

[Uncle Rico]

Top recruits fleeing California like so many citizens here are....smart kids.

Yes, it's the bad coaches.  Some are fleeing to Ohio State who never recovered from their 2012 sanctions

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah, especially when hanging over his head was his firing that the media said did happen until it didn't. He has been dead man walking all year, that impacts recruiting the same reason ncaa penalties and other things do.  That same coach had the 20th class last year.  Prior to that, the 4th ranked class and prior to that the 4th ranked class again....same coach....hmm

Weird.  Obvious to everyone....LOL.

He had back-to-back top 5 classes despite NCAA sanctions?  And USC had top 20 classes all decade until 2019 despite sanctions?  Wild

[Cheeks]

Yes, it's the bad coaches.  Some are fleeing to Ohio State who never recovered from their 2012 sanctions

You still haven't explained how he had two top five classes and a top 20 the three previous years.


Meanwhile, anyone with an ounce of recruiting background knows why this happened.

https://247sports.com/Article/USC-football-Clay-Helton-2020-recruiting-class--139836839/

[Galway Eagle]

Top recruits fleeing California like so many citizens here are....smart kids.

This seems like it has political overtones.

Also cali's population is growing still. Slowing down but still growing.

[The Sultan]

This seems like it has political overtones.

Also cali's population is growing still. Slowing down but still growing.

Cheeks gets his butt handed to him so he goes political.  As old as time...

[Cheeks]

He had back-to-back top 5 classes despite NCAA sanctions?  And USC had top 20 classes all decade until 2019 despite sanctions?  Wild

The ncaa sanctions ended long before

[Cheeks]

This seems like it has political overtones.

Also cali's population is growing still. Slowing down but still growing.

People fleeing the state for all kinds of reasons.  More people leaving than coming in....many years now.  Yes, growing for other reasons like babies being born...

[Uncle Rico]

You still haven't explained how he had two top five classes and a top 20 the three previous years.


Meanwhile, anyone with an ounce of recruiting background knows why this happened.

https://247sports.com/Article/USC-football-Clay-Helton-2020-recruiting-class--139836839/

Bad coaches have good recruiting classes.  Brady Hoke had plenty.  That's not hard to comprehend.

The USC recruiting classes from 2010-13, when crippled by sanctions, were 3, 8, 8 and 13.

So, what you're telling me is, sanctions didn't cripple USC football, the media did.  That's a different topic.