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Bad_Reporter

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 03, 2019, 07:30:01 PM
Well, you can't blame him that the coach who recruited him and said he was with the three amigos to the end bailed on him...and DJ had to hear about it on ESPN from his coach's brother-in-law.  I am sure that sent DJ into a tailspin, especially after said coach talked him out of going pro after that great freshman season.

That douche made millions while DJ was left with latex balloons to sell.  Luckily, the coach who replaced him taught DJ his faith and the ability to forgive the crimson turncoat.

Best post of the year imo.   

DJ will always be a top 3 warrior to me.

Cheeks

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 03, 2019, 07:30:01 PM
Well, you can't blame him that the coach who recruited him and said he was with the three amigos to the end bailed on him...and DJ had to hear about it on ESPN from his coach's brother-in-law.  I am sure that sent DJ into a tailspin, especially after said coach talked him out of going pro after that great freshman season.

That douche made millions while DJ was left with latex balloons to sell.  Luckily, the coach who replaced him taught DJ his faith and the ability to forgive the crimson turncoat.

Because he wasn't going to be drafted after his freshman year, one of the other all time great myths here.  We had this conversation with Keefe (RIP) a few months back with plenty of links and attributes by draft experts that had him no way going...but I like Bigfoot and Lochness Monster, too.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Nukem2 on December 03, 2019, 07:21:55 PM
His frosh season was special.  But so was his senior season in a far different way.  Screw the stats.  Had he not fractured his foot vs. UConn, MU was a Final 4 team.  Again, stats don't tell the whole story.

MU definitely had a shot for a nice run that last year.  Tyshawn Taylor as a backup would have been great, but he wanted no part of Buzz.

I agree that DJ had a nice senior season in many categories, but a rather odd drop off in some others.  Who messed with his shooting stroke.  I've never seen a guy for three years hit at 65% basically each year and drop to the mid 40's his last year.  Very odd.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

79Warrior

Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:31:37 PM
Because he wasn't going to be drafted after his freshman year, one of the other all time great myths here.  We had this conversation with Keefe (RIP) a few months back with plenty of links and attributes by draft experts that had him no way going...but I like Bigfoot and Lochness Monster, too.

The myth around here is mostly of your making.

WarriorFan

Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:31:37 PM
Because he wasn't going to be drafted after his freshman year, one of the other all time great myths here.  We had this conversation with Keefe (RIP) a few months back with plenty of links and attributes by draft experts that had him no way going...but I like Bigfoot and Lochness Monster, too.
Yep, let's be real.  DJ was a fun player to watch and he could jump out of the gym, but 5'11" guys who can't shoot don't get drafted.  We might even learn soon what happens to 5'11" guys who CAN shoot.
"The meaning of life isn't gnashing our bicuspids over what comes after death but tasting the tiny moments that come before it."

The Sultan

Quote from: 79Warrior on December 04, 2019, 12:15:40 AM
The myth around here is mostly of your making.

No he's right. No way DJ was getting drafted in the first round after his freshman year.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

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Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:33:47 PM
MU definitely had a shot for a nice run that last year.  Tyshawn Taylor as a backup would have been great, but he wanted no part of Buzz.

I agree that DJ had a nice senior season in many categories, but a rather odd drop off in some others.  Who messed with his shooting stroke.  I've never seen a guy for three years hit at 65% basically each year and drop to the mid 40's his last year.  Very odd.

His EFG tied his freshman year high. Improved from sophomore and junior years.

Oh I noticed you meants FT%.  I mean...who cares?  It's not that important of a stat.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:31:37 PM
Because he wasn't going to be drafted after his freshman year, one of the other all time great myths here.  We had this conversation with Keefe (RIP) a few months back with plenty of links and attributes by draft experts that had him no way going...but I like Bigfoot and Lochness Monster, too.

Sarcasm is lost on you...

Silent Verbal

Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:33:47 PM
MU definitely had a shot for a nice run that last year.  Tyshawn Taylor as a backup would have been great, but he wanted no part of Buzz.

I agree that DJ had a nice senior season in many categories, but a rather odd drop off in some others.  Who messed with his shooting stroke.  I've never seen a guy for three years hit at 65% basically each year and drop to the mid 40's his last year.  Very odd.

I feel like the whole "Tyshawn Taylor wanted no part of Buzz" thing is also false.  This is all so long ago, but I seem to recall Taylor using Crean's departure as an excuse to bolt for Kansas, which was his dream school.  As soon as Crean left, we had no chance of keeping Taylor, regardless of who our next coach was.

The Sultan

Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 04, 2019, 08:25:22 AM
I feel like the whole "Tyshawn Taylor wanted no part of Buzz" thing is also false.  This is all so long ago, but I seem to recall Taylor using Crean's departure as an excuse to bolt for Kansas, which was his dream school.  As soon as Crean left, we had no chance of keeping Taylor, regardless of who our next coach was.


Furthermore, my recollection is that they had a nice interaction at whatever Thanksgiving tournament MU and KU played in that next year.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

IrwinFletcher

If I recall, Tyshawn's Mom and Buzz had developed a very tight bond during the recruiting process.  I think that had something to do with the reunion at that Thanksgiving tourney.

MU82

Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:33:47 PM
MU definitely had a shot for a nice run that last year.  Tyshawn Taylor as a backup would have been great, but he wanted no part of Buzz.

Odartey Blankson "wanted no part of" Crean.

Ipso fatso, Crean cost us at least two certain national titles.

And think about all the players who "wanted no part of" Wojo, costing us goodness knows how many Sweet 16s or better.

This is fun. Anybody can play this game of throwing out crapola just to try to incite others.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

cheebs09

Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 04, 2019, 08:25:22 AM
I feel like the whole "Tyshawn Taylor wanted no part of Buzz" thing is also false.  This is all so long ago, but I seem to recall Taylor using Crean's departure as an excuse to bolt for Kansas, which was his dream school.  As soon as Crean left, we had no chance of keeping Taylor, regardless of who our next coach was.

Yup. To add on to other comments below this, I believe Buzz was the main recruiter for Taylor as well.

Kansas had an opening and I believe was Taylor's dream school. Hurley used the opening of Crean leaving to get Taylor out of the LOI.

Spotcheck Billy

Quote from: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 10:31:37 PM
Because he wasn't going to be drafted after his freshman year, one of the other all time great myths here.  We had this conversation with Keefe (RIP) a few months back with plenty of links and attributes by draft experts that had him no way going...but I like Bigfoot and Lochness Monster, too.

Sory to hear of his passing  :(

Cheeks

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 04, 2019, 08:07:57 AM
Sarcasm is lost on you...

Oh I recognized it, thought it was pretty good, and gave some sarcasm back.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on December 04, 2019, 10:49:43 AM
Sory to hear of his passing  :(

Not really dead, apparently Scoop dead.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Cheeks

Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 04, 2019, 08:25:22 AM
I feel like the whole "Tyshawn Taylor wanted no part of Buzz" thing is also false.  This is all so long ago, but I seem to recall Taylor using Crean's departure as an excuse to bolt for Kansas, which was his dream school.  As soon as Crean left, we had no chance of keeping Taylor, regardless of who our next coach was.

I suggest you read what his coach said before and after the meeting with Buzz. 

I agree we had no chance with Buzz keeping him, someone else would have depended who that someone else is.

Which of course is why the anti-Wojo folks never seem to get it.  They think Wooden is walking into the door, and he isn't.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

lawdog77

Quote from: Cheeks on December 04, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
Not really dead, apparently Scoop dead.
that's not cool, bro

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