Barttovik Preseason 2019-20

[Dr. Blackheart]

MU checks in at #30 and fourth in the Big East. 17th best offense and 60th rated defense. 18-10 record.
Personally, I would be disappointed in that record, but not surprised he is predicting that. I think MU’s defense will be much, much better than that and the offense slightly less efficient.

Bucky at 26 and ND at 22?

KPom not out yet.

http://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

[brewcity77]

He's been tweaking those for awhile. The one that surprises me is Purdue, who checks in at #7. I don't think they're close to that. After losing the vast majority of their offense (Edwards, Cline, and Eifert) I don't see any way they have a top-5 offense.

I think Torvik's rankings are relying too much on past performance and not taking enough into account for departures. Whether it's not accounting for Marquette losing the Hausers, Purdue losing everyone who can score, or whatever, that part of his metric needs to be tweaked.

[Dr. Blackheart]

He's been tweaking those for awhile. The one that surprises me is Purdue, who checks in at #7. I don't think they're close to that. After losing the vast majority of their offense (Edwards, Cline, and Eifert) I don't see any way they have a top-5 offense.

I think Torvik's rankings are relying too much on past performance and not taking enough into account for departures. Whether it's not accounting for Marquette losing the Hausers, Purdue losing everyone who can score, or whatever, that part of his metric needs to be tweaked.

So where do you peg us Brew? 

[brewcity77]

So where do you peg us Brew?

I think about what you're saying. I think the offense isn't quite that good, probably overrated due to the Hausers, but I think the defense is significantly better. I'm sure some would call me crazy, but I think this is a top 10-15 range defense. When John goes out, we still have rim protection, we have quicker defenders on the perimeter, we have more ability to generate turnovers, and we don't have Joey. Looking at his current rankings, the two teams that I think (strictly rankings wise) mimic what I expect of us are #9 VCU and #20 Penn State. Somewhere in the middle of that.

Though if McEwen and the rest of the developing players can mostly offset the loss of the Hausers on offense, I think we're probably closer to where we thought we were for that magical weekend between Howard's return and the Hausers' transfer.

[genious expert]

MU checks in at #30 and fourth in the Big East. 17th best offense and 60th rated defense. 18-10 record.
Personally, I would be disappointed in that record, but not surprised he is predicting that. I think MU’s defense will be much, much better than that and the offense slightly less efficient.

Bucky at 26 and ND at 22?

KPom not out yet.

http://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

His Badger projections are always laughable. I mean he is a Badger fan though so I get it. I’d be the same way with MU if it was my site. If you click the teams you can see the breakdown by player to see how he got to these rankings.

[Shooter McGavin]

ND that high?  Where the f do they get this stuff from?  Brey is good but Phleuger (sp?) isn’t that valuable.   I would take MU over ND in a heart beat this year and I’m not that high on MU.

[Uncle Rico]

His system is pretty good.  It’s projective based on returning data.  A team like Wisconsin is a year older in a lot of places and so is Marquette, even with the losses.  There is an expectation of improvement on players, especially ones becoming upperclassmen. 

Glancing quickly at Purdue, Haarms and Eastern will be a potent 1-2, I don’t dismiss them but his projections are expecting a lot from some guys moving from low majors to Big Ten play.

His rankings really like Florida.  Florida was a top ten team in his rankings well into the new year this past season even as the wins and losses didn’t match the profile.

Quick note on Wisconsin and the analytics world, they’ll always be in the top tier because of low possessions and the proclivity to blow out cupcakes

[MuMark]

His Badger projections are always laughable. I mean he is a Badger fan though so I get it. I’d be the same way with MU if it was my site. If you click the teams you can see the breakdown by player to see how he got to these rankings.

His Badger fandom has nothing to do with his projection.......it's a computer program.

Pomeroy usually has the Badgers projected high as well........sometimes they end up there......sometimes they don't.

[WhiteTrash]

How far down a Google search hole do you have to go to find barttovik? Not trying to be a smart ass, is this a real thing or a 'kid living in mom & dad's basement'?

[MuMark]

How far down a Google search hole do you have to go to find barttovik? Not trying to be a smart ass, is this a real thing or a 'kid living in mom & dad's basement'?

It's a real thing.... .one of the best sites there is

http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php

[brewcity77]

How far down a Google search hole do you have to go to find barttovik? Not trying to be a smart ass, is this a real thing or a 'kid living in mom & dad's basement'?

If you follow college basketball...not really far at all. It's a really solid site that has some nice features other pay sites (like Pomeroy) are lacking.

[WhiteTrash]

If you follow college basketball...not really far at all. It's a really solid site that has some nice features other pay sites (like Pomeroy) are lacking.

Fair enough. Have heard of Pomeroy never Barttovik. I consider myself a big CBB fan and have many friends who follow the sport closely, but this is new to me.

Just to see how how unplugged I am, I did a Google search on college basketball rankings, Barttovik did not appear in the first 10 pages so I stopped. I feel a little better.

I don't want to imply Google status confers legitimacy, so I believe you guys this is a good site. (just a bit off the radar?)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Barttovik is one of the best sites out there. You can check their preseason rankings from past years and you will find that they are among the most accurate out there if not the most accurate.  I will say though, they always throw out a couple of off the wall predictions every year. Sometimes they are wrong....but there have been many times when they've been right. Last year, I thought Louisville would be lucky to make the NIT. Bartovik said they were top 20. Louisville ended up being top 25 in KenPom and was in and out of the top 25 all year.

This year, I see few off the wall predictions. Purdue at 7, Mizzou at 12, Illinois at 15, Harvard at 18 (they're one of the top 2 low majors but that's crazy high), Notre Dame at 22 (honestly the wildest of all IMHO), Providence at at 23. The thing is though, I bet they end being more accurate on most of these than I am.

[MarquetteDano]

Seven BE in Top 50. Going to be a lot tougher conf slate this season.

[dgies9156]

MU checks in at #30 and fourth in the Big East. 17th best offense and 60th rated defense. 18-10 record.

What a downer.

If this bears out, we have a problem in our program. A senior led team, lots of experience and 18-10.

Likely would be another trip to the Not Invited Tournament.

[Boston Warrior]

If you go into their similar resume or similar profile, they project Marquette to be a 6 seed and most or all  the comparisons made the tournament so it’s not all doom and gloom.

[Milkshakes]

I am no expert. However #25-30, 4th in the BE and 18-10 give or take a game. Sounds just about right to me. The BE is better this year and we are right about the same (hopefully).  I am still not convinced we have made up for the loss of Sam.

[Nukem2]

I am no expert. However #25-30, 4th in the BE and 18-10 give or take a game. Sounds just about right to me. The BE is better this year and we are right about the same (hopefully).  I am still not convinced we have made up for the loss of Sam.

We won’t replace Sam by any stretch of the imagination.  We’ll simply be different, fbow. 

[IrwinFletcher]

Read somewhere that last year, Purdue made 311 3-pointers.  Returning players made 7 (ish) of those 311.  Crazy number as they lost a ton from last season.

[MU82]

How has his system predicted results in past seasons?

If they've done so with some degree of accuracy, maybe (but unlikely), I'll give this a shred of credence.

If not ... Eat my shorts, Barttovik Simpsontovik.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Historically, seems somewhat consistent with KPom MU.

19 - 37 v 33 (B v K)
18 - 42 v 53
17 - 30 v 32
16 - 73 v 97
15 - 83 v 93
14 - 62 v 68

[Cheeks]

Fair enough. Have heard of Pomeroy never Barttovik. I consider myself a big CBB fan and have many friends who follow the sport closely, but this is new to me.

Just to see how how unplugged I am, I did a Google search on college basketball rankings, Barttovik did not appear in the first 10 pages so I stopped. I feel a little better.

I don't want to imply Google status confers legitimacy, so I believe you guys this is a good site. (just a bit off the radar?)

There are about 20 or so of these ratings.  I used to aggregate them all years ago here.

Many of them are here...top of the page


https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

[Cheeks]

What a downer.

If this bears out, we have a problem in our program. A senior led team, lots of experience and 18-10.

Likely would be another trip to the Not Invited Tournament.

If it is right, we go to NCAA again.  11-7 in conf, that is punching a ticket

[willie warrior]

What a downer.

If this bears out, we have a problem in our program. A senior led team, lots of experience and 18-10.

Likely would be another trip to the Not Invited Tournament.

And another rash of "Wojo has the team on an upward trajectory" defense statements.

[Scoop Snoop]

What a downer.

If this bears out, we have a problem in our program. A senior led team, lots of experience and 18-10.

Likely would be another trip to the Not Invited Tournament.

I think that Marquette is being downgraded too much by a lot of people due to the Hauser departures and we will be better than projected. With that said, the large number of "ifs" that have appeared in Scoopers' comments about this season keep me from being really optimistic. With a much stronger BE, a 4th place finish projection is fair but a 3rd place finish is doable. I think we will have at least 20 wins and be in the Big Dance. If the ifs mostly come true Marquette will surprise a lot of people, including me.