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Author Topic: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players  (Read 15979 times)

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2019, 09:25:11 PM »
When I was in school, I could work. I could earn money off my likeness. You are clueless. Nothing about this goes against the mission or ethics of Marquette.
I would guess you made nothing off your likeness.  Working hard has nothing to do with your likeness.  Keep working on that likeness.  w ;)

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2019, 09:29:47 PM »
I would guess you made nothing off your likeness.  Working hard has nothing to do with your likeness.  Keep working on that likeness.  w ;)

I was generous and let people take my picture for free. But I did work and make money while in college and no one revoked any of my scholarship or grant money because of it.

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2019, 09:30:13 PM »
Maybe it's just me, but I see a crap ton of irony in someone who attended said school, is seemingly a proud alum and supports the mission, & ethics of his alma mater and education he received, be 100% supportive of something that goes completely against the mission and ethics of his alma mater. Now THAT'S irony.

His alma mater profits off players' likenesses.

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2019, 09:43:14 PM »
His alma mater profits off players' likenesses.
His alma mater gives full ride scholarships and other benefits to students because they can play basketball really well.

Face it, at its most basic level, this is a wierd system. Maybe because of that, it can not survive. I don't see how it can.

 

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2019, 10:27:48 PM »

The first is a Constitutional issue. 

The second is an international treaty of which the US agrees to abide by

The third is an employment contract.

Of course none of these are similar to what we are talking about.  But hey, it's fall!  So it's strawman season!!

You are missing the point....there are guidelines, rules, laws, customs, etc, that dictate all kinds of things that are different.  Michael Jordan could take 4 steps and not travel, Tom Glavine could throw a pitch 4 inches off home plate and get a strike, a 15 year old cannot drive alone,  A woman can go into a guy’s locker room to cover sports, a guy cannot go into a woman’s locker room....but we’re all equal....the laws and rules are all equal....keep repeating that. 
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2019, 10:30:05 PM »
No they shouldn't.

Some big time booster could guarantee a recruit a cushy, high paying "internship" in the off season.

No jobs for athletes should be allowed. Can't guarantee there won't be shady things going on.

No they can’t.  It has to be proven to be market rate driven to avoid that.  In the old days schools would pay some athlete $25 an hour to water a garden...the NCAA passed legislation to try and stop that.  Sure, some abuses could happen, but much harder now with those types of attempts.
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2019, 10:32:03 PM »
If the NCAA's job is to keep the playing field level, it is doing an awful job at it.

They actually do a much better job then people are giving credit for.  Most student athletes are in compliance, but when they miss...that makes headlines.  100’s  of thousands of student athletes without incident....no one says good job NCAA.
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"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2019, 10:35:58 PM »
All entities vastly superior at doing things than the NCAA

All entities with many more resources, but the point was made.  You don’t throw the towel in because some get away with cheating.  The same reason the doctor doesn’t, the police, etc.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2019, 10:37:12 PM »

I mean, isn't that an admirable goal?

Isn’t it an admirable goal to follow the ncaa rules?
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2019, 10:40:42 PM »
When I was in school, I could work. I could earn money off my likeness. You are clueless. Nothing about this goes against the mission or ethics of Marquette.

Student athletes can work, stop saying they cannot.  Lots of things student athletes got to do that you didn’t....was that fair to the others?  Was that ethical?
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2019, 10:43:21 PM »
They actually do a much better job then people are giving credit for.  Most student athletes are in compliance, but when they miss...that makes headlines.  100’s  of all thousands of student athletes without incident....no one says good job NCAA.

Great point. Most fans and the media believe the NCAA only governs D1 football and basketball. Those two sports are a small percentage of the what they oversee.

The next time someone criticizes the NCAA for Zion not making money they should make 100 comments on D2 swimming, D3 golf, etc. to give proper balance for the NCAAs responsibilities.   

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« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2019, 10:46:29 PM »
In only 4 pages (so far), this thread must be approaching the Scoop record for strawman arguments, hair-on-fire college-sports-will-be-doomed predictions, and ridiculous slippery-slope analogies.

As a bonus, we have ultra-capitalists, who love ripping on all things they deem "socialist," decrying any attempt to let hard-working Americans profit from their own likenesses.

Fun stuff!
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2019, 10:46:51 PM »
I just poked into the thread to see the mess from the exploding heads.
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The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2019, 12:01:29 AM »
His alma mater profits off players' likenesses.

Most alma maters do not profit off it
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2019, 12:17:19 AM »
I was generous and let people take my picture for free. But I did work and make money while in college and no one revoked any of my scholarship or grant money because of it.
I worked throughout college and I did have my picture taken in a work group once but did not get paid for it.  Little did I know, though I guess it was not my likeness they were after. :)

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« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2019, 12:23:25 AM »
I just poked into the thread to see the mess from the exploding heads.

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« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2019, 12:32:09 AM »
Why not use the word image rather than the clumsy likeness.......  :o

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« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2019, 07:03:20 AM »
Why not use the word image rather than the clumsy likeness.......  :o

Sorry ... we're all still debating "privilege." No time to consider other word usage options.
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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2019, 07:18:45 AM »
Why not use the word image rather than the clumsy likeness.......  :o
Mentioned on another site, but because this started over likenesses in a video game. Image is a limited term that doesn't capture what the debate is about. And I'm not sure how "likeness" is clumsy.

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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2019, 07:27:22 AM »
Maybe it's just me, but I see a crap ton of irony in someone who attended said school, is seemingly a proud alum and supports the mission, & ethics of his alma mater and education he received, be 100% supportive of something that goes completely against the mission and ethics of his alma mater. Now THAT'S irony.

This may top your argument about women. That's saying something about how wrong you are here.

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« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2019, 07:31:04 AM »

As a bonus, we have ultra-capitalists, who love ripping on all things they deem "socialist," decrying any attempt to let hard-working Americans profit from their own likenesses.

Fun stuff!

When we talked about this last year I made this point. It's fun to see that conservatives and socialists are actually reversed in their arguments when it comes to college athletes.

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« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2019, 07:43:03 AM »
When we talked about this last year I made this point. It's fun to see that conservatives and socialists are actually reversed in their arguments when it comes to college athletes.

Within the political spectrum that matters, state legislators, it has been quite bipartisan.  Siding with an inept organization like the NCAA doesn’t win a lot of votes.  I will be curious to see how this evolves as more states propose this.  The NCAA will certainly step up lobbying efforts and lean on member schools to fight any legislation resembling the California bill but I’ll be surprised if there is a lot of political will to stand with universities and the NCAA on this matter.  We can look at Wisconsin who has seen funding fights in the last decade.  Wisconsin is flush with TV cash from the Big Ten.  Good luck garnering sympathy from our current state legislators
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Re: California to pass bill called "fair pay to play act"...to compensate players
« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2019, 08:08:38 AM »
Maybe if you want to be paid in fairness like Sagan, they should get a degree and go into coaching.....become a non-student....graduate.
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« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2019, 09:52:11 AM »
What a can of worms opened up.
Sounds like college sports are transitioning to minor league pro teams.

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« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2019, 10:14:49 AM »
I just poked into the thread to see the mess from the exploding heads.

I made the same mistake.