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Dr. Blackheart

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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #400 on: September 18, 2019, 07:40:17 PM »
I'm curious how he cashed out?  He was paid what was due to him legally, but didn't receive any damages by way of the lawsuit.  How did he cash out....maybe I'm missing some details which is entirely possible.

Well it said in the article he "has been paid compensation and wages he was due."  I thought when he was fired it was for cause, and he would be getting nothing.  This settled from "fired" to "resigned". So, he settled, got paid and UL saved face.

I agree the details are scant and likely will remain that way.
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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #401 on: September 18, 2019, 08:06:32 PM »
I'm curious how he cashed out?  He was paid what was due to him legally, but didn't receive any damages by way of the lawsuit.  How did he cash out....maybe I'm missing some details which is entirely possible.

Really depends how you feel about his firing.  If you think he was justifiably fired for cause, then it's hard to argue he didn't cash out. Not only did he get paid for not working, he got paid money the university was legally entitled to withhold.
On the other hand, if you don't think multiple cheating scandals is not just cause for firing, then Rick indeed got what he was legally owed.
I lean toward the former, but understand why Louisville settled.  Leaked discovery in that case wasn't likely to paint the school in a favorable light.

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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #402 on: September 18, 2019, 08:12:40 PM »
Yeah, it's called redistribution.  Take from someone else to prop up someone else.  Sounds nice, makes a great bumper sticker...until you run out of crates to take.


It is terrible when one group of people work hard to accomplish success in a lucrative field, only to see the wealth they generate redistributed for the benefit of those engaged in less profitable behaviors.
Also .... NCAA.

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« Reply #403 on: September 18, 2019, 08:36:17 PM »
It is terrible when one group of people work hard to accomplish success in a lucrative field, only to see the wealth they generate redistributed for the benefit of those engaged in less profitable behaviors.
Also .... NCAA.

Yep, capitalism for me, don't touch my stuff. Your stuff? Don't be so greedy, the volleyball team needs your money!

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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #404 on: September 18, 2019, 09:39:14 PM »
It is terrible when one group of people work hard to accomplish success in a lucrative field, only to see the wealth they generate redistributed for the benefit of those engaged in less profitable behaviors.
Also .... NCAA.

Yup....and vice versa.  As I have said for years here, I am for the socialist model in sports.  Without it, the Packers wouldn’t exist.  Nor would the Sacramento Kings, many college teams, and absolutely many college sports.  Our Olympic endeavors would be practically non existent.  Never denied it, won’t now.  It works for some things, fails miserably in other things.  I’m glad you think only helping the 1% in college sports is the right thing to do.....I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face and will harm way more kids then it will help.
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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #405 on: September 18, 2019, 09:43:14 PM »
Really depends how you feel about his firing.  If you think he was justifiably fired for cause, then it's hard to argue he didn't cash out. Not only did he get paid for not working, he got paid money the university was legally entitled to withhold.
On the other hand, if you don't think multiple cheating scandals is not just cause for firing, then Rick indeed got what he was legally owed.
I lean toward the former, but understand why Louisville settled.  Leaked discovery in that case wasn't likely to paint the school in a favorable light.

Settlements are done for all kinds of reasons....to my knowledge from a legal perspective it would have been very difficult to prove Pitino did any cheating.  The evidence wasn’t there, and as such the “cause” action not a guaranteed winner.  Knowing that, it sure seems like he got paid what was due to him, 5e university and him avoid some embarrassing stuff, and Pitino doesn’t get to cash out.
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« Reply #406 on: September 18, 2019, 10:14:42 PM »
Yup....and vice versa.  As I have said for years here, I am for the socialist model in sports.  Without it, the Packers wouldn’t exist.  Nor would the Sacramento Kings, many college teams, and absolutely many college sports.  Our Olympic endeavors would be practically non existent.  Never denied it, won’t now.  It works for some things, fails miserably in other things.  I’m glad you think only helping the 1% in college sports is the right thing to do.....I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face and will harm way more kids then it will help.

The Lakers, Knicks, etc., decided they needed/wanted the Kings, Thunder, Grizzlies, etc., etc., etc. Why? Because they loved their fans? Because they wanted to "spread the wealth" to other owners/cities?. Nope. The NBA (and the NFL, NHL and MLB) expanded  so the existing teams could make even more money - and that's OK.

What that has to do with Markus Howard having his image stolen and used to support sports teams at MU that can't support themselves is beyond me. Want volleyball? Sell tickets, have a bake sale or let the university use the general fund. It's not Markus's responsibility.

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« Reply #407 on: September 18, 2019, 10:22:06 PM »
Yup....and vice versa.  As I have said for years here, I am for the socialist model in sports.  Without it, the Packers wouldn’t exist.  Nor would the Sacramento Kings, many college teams, and absolutely many college sports.  Our Olympic endeavors would be practically non existent.

Got it.
Programs that redistribute wealth to protect the financial success and security of super-important billion dollar sports entities = good and necessary.
Programs that redistribute wealth to provide trivial things like health care, food, shelter and education = very bad.
Interesting priorities, but I see where you're coming from.

Thougn I do wonder how can we ever expect a professional football franchise from a small Midwesterm town to survive on its own if we're always propping it up with other people's money?

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  I’m glad you think only helping the 1% in college sports is the right thing to do.....I call it cutting off your nose to spite your face and will harm way more kids then it will help.

It isn't "helping" anyone. It's simply not acting as an impediment to them reaping the rewards of their hard work and success. What a bizarre way for you to frame this.

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« Reply #408 on: September 18, 2019, 10:25:01 PM »
Settlements are done for all kinds of reasons....to my knowledge from a legal perspective it would have been very difficult to prove Pitino did any cheating.  The evidence wasn’t there, and as such the “cause” action not a guaranteed winner..

So you're now Team Rick?
Unless Rick's contract indemnifies him from the actions of his assistants, it would be quite easy to prove he cheated. And even if it does indemnify him, unless Andre McGee and others in the program are willing to risk a [perjury rap for Rick's sake, it still wouldn't be that hard.

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« Reply #409 on: September 18, 2019, 10:31:04 PM »
The Lakers, Knicks, etc., decided they needed/wanted the Kings, Thunder, Grizzlies, etc., etc., etc. Why? Because they loved their fans? Because they wanted to "spread the wealth" to other owners/cities?. Nope. The NBA (and the NFL, NHL and MLB) expanded  so the existing teams could make even more money - and that's OK.

What that has to do with Markus Howard having his image stolen and used to support sports teams at MU that can't support themselves is beyond me. Want volleyball? Sell tickets, have a bake sale or let the university use the general fund. It's not Markus's responsibility.

The NFL knew if they continued down the path of only certain teams winning it would ultimately fail the league, and yes revenues / growth.  Parity of salary cap also forced the best teams to be smartest with their money and not simply buy or attempt to buy championships.  The NBA has also tried, but went about it differently (same for MLB) and the mechanism they used doesn’t accomplish what it should.

The NCAA mandates 14 D1 sports for which scholarships are provided to field those teams.  How are those going to be funded?  How about people’s pensions....when you retire it is up to the next group to help keep it going.  Social Security.  Etc.  Yup, socialism isn’t always bad in moderation and when everyone is on the same page on who and how it benefits.

Not Markus’s responsibility....is it the university’s responsibility to put games at FF to help Markus and the team?  Why not have them at the old gym...still a 94 foot court with 10 foot high rims like you find back at Hickory.  Not MU’s problem to give Markus a platform, but they do and for doing that they get almost zero credit from the anti NCAA crowd here.  All the benefits they provide, no acknowledgment.  You may think it isn’t MH’s responsibility....should we pay the guys that graduated decades earlier that paved the way for MH?  Should we ask MH and the other revenue sports and put them in a room with the non revenue athletes and explain to them that all those opportunities are at risk...because it isn’t MH’s responsibility?  That’s quite a society.  Look, I don’t like paying for ridiculous, hair-brained progressive ideas that benefit some people who don’t bother to lift a finger...I’m Fine paying for those in actual need....but either way I have to pay.  Part of society.
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« Reply #410 on: September 18, 2019, 10:36:11 PM »
Got it.
Programs that redistribute wealth to protect the financial success and security of super-important billion dollar sports entities = good and necessary.
Programs that redistribute wealth to provide trivial things like health care, food, shelter and education = very bad.
Interesting priorities, but I see where you're coming from.

Thougn I do wonder how can we ever expect a professional football franchise from a small Midwesterm town to survive on its own if we're always propping it up with other people's money?

It isn't "helping" anyone. It's simply not acting as an impediment to them reaping the rewards of their hard work and success. What a bizarre way for you to frame this.

Show me one athletic dept that is a billion dollar operation.  I can show you at least 100 that are less than $10 million and fielding teams in at least 14 sports, providing educational opportunities for 1000’s of young men and women as a result.

On your “trivial” matter....I am fine paying for those that need it, but what I want is strict enforcement for the a-holes that do not....you know, the guys MU82 says we shouldn’t bother going after because they aren’t big fish enough.  There are noble things in society we should all pitch in to pay for, but not when it rewards laziness, bad behavior, fraud, etc.  You do understand the difference....yes?  By making sure it goes to those that truly need it, there are more resources for those people.  Every source of fraud is a deprivation of assistance to those that need the help.   That’s the difference.
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« Reply #411 on: September 18, 2019, 10:38:26 PM »
So you're now Team Rick?
Unless Rick's contract indemnifies him from the actions of his assistants, it would be quite easy to prove he cheated. And even if it does indemnify him, unless Andre McGee and others in the program are willing to risk a [perjury rap for Rick's sake, it still wouldn't be that hard.

How am I team Rick?  I think he is sleazy beyond belief.  It is what is provable and what isn’t.  If his assistants say he knew nothing, he says he knew nothing, how are you going to prove it?  Counselor?  Incidentally, his contract is available online for review.
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« Reply #412 on: September 18, 2019, 10:40:06 PM »
Not Markus’s responsibility....is it the university’s responsibility to put games at FF to help Markus and the team?  Why not have them at the old gym...still a 94 foot court with 10 foot high rims like you find back at Hickory.

That time when Cheeks suggested Marquette plays its games at the Fiserv Forum instead of the Old Gym to help Markus Howard.
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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #413 on: September 18, 2019, 10:41:11 PM »
Yeah, it's called redistribution.  Take from someone else to prop up someone else.  Sounds nice, makes a great bumper sticker...until you run out of crates to take.

EQUALITY VS EQUITY



1. Scarcity is a myth
2. In most cases, equity doesn't require taking something from anyone
3. You're the only person I know who has used that image and argued that the kid shouldn't get to watch the baseball game
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« Reply #414 on: September 18, 2019, 10:53:01 PM »
That time when Cheeks suggested Marquette plays its games at the Fiserv Forum instead of the Old Gum to help Markus Howard.

Did I suggest it?  I asked if it was MU’s responsibility.  What would Walmart say? 
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« Reply #415 on: September 18, 2019, 10:57:49 PM »
1. Scarcity is a myth
2. In most cases, equity doesn't require taking something from anyone
3. You're the only person I know who has used that image and argued that the kid shouldn't get to watch the baseball game

We don’t always get what we want....we aren’t entitled to everything.  Not everyone gets a car, or to watch the baseball game.

Scarcity is a myth.  Hmm, that’s a good one.  Since we have only 11.67 years left of scarce precious time, I might believe you. That said, most economists are not going to.  Scarcity of all kinds of resources exist.  I realize in this video game world where we run the money printing press 24/7 it feels like it, but we can mention all the societies through history where that went horribly wrong in the end.  Scarcity is not a myth.

How is it that in MOST cases it doesn’t require taking from someone else?  Either directly it does, or indirectly by cutting them off it does....allocation of resources.
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« Reply #416 on: September 19, 2019, 12:15:37 AM »
We don’t always get what we want....we aren’t entitled to everything.  Not everyone gets a car, or to watch the baseball game.

Scarcity is a myth.  Hmm, that’s a good one.  Since we have only 11.67 years left of scarce precious time, I might believe you. That said, most economists are not going to.  Scarcity of all kinds of resources exist.  I realize in this video game world where we run the money printing press 24/7 it feels like it, but we can mention all the societies through history where that went horribly wrong in the end.  Scarcity is not a myth.

How is it that in MOST cases it doesn’t require taking from someone else?  Either directly it does, or indirectly by cutting them off it does....allocation of resources.

Just trying to live by what those darn Jesuits taught me.
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The courage to change the things I can,
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« Reply #417 on: September 19, 2019, 11:00:27 AM »
3. You're the only person I know who has used that image and argued that the kid shouldn't get to watch the baseball game



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Re: Well that was a waste
« Reply #420 on: September 20, 2019, 03:51:35 PM »
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« Reply #421 on: September 20, 2019, 04:38:34 PM »
This is all completely and totally meaningless if the "penalties" are just them taking down their Final Four banner, or a show cause for Self, which is what I think will happen. Anything less than a post season ban(or multiple), is 100% meaningless. No one cares about anything else.
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« Reply #422 on: September 20, 2019, 04:44:32 PM »
This is all completely and totally meaningless if the "penalties" are just them taking down their Final Four banner, or a show cause for Self, which is what I think will happen. Anything less than a post season ban(or multiple), is 100% meaningless. No one cares about anything else.

The post-season ban Louisville self-imposed upon itself a few years back crippled the program. 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-11-02-sp-749-story.html

Kansas was in the Final Four two years later
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« Reply #423 on: September 20, 2019, 04:44:58 PM »
This is all completely and totally meaningless if the "penalties" are just them taking down their Final Four banner, or a show cause for Self, which is what I think will happen. Anything less than a post season ban(or multiple), is 100% meaningless. No one cares about anything else.

A show cause for one of the best coaches in the game seems significant.

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« Reply #424 on: September 20, 2019, 04:51:52 PM »
A show cause for one of the best coaches in the game seems significant.

Is it?  Self has been linked to the NBA for years or he could just get a job in TV.  The media will rehab him regardless.

Kelvin Sampson received one in 2008 and is now “well-respected” at Houston after turning that program around.  Sampson got his show cause while at Indiana and still found a college job.  Self may wander a bit but if he wanted, he’d back in the college game at some point and I bet some people would take him here.
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