Crowder & Hayward to HOF

[Galway Eagle]

I think we can just ask Wally. He was cut but was allowed to graduate.

Not by the track team. He was welcome to stay on for a team he actually deserved to play on.

[Cheeks]

I think we can just ask Wally. He was cut but was allowed to graduate.

He was allowed to be on the track team, too.

[Cheeks]

First, you didn't go to MU in the 70s.

Second, I was there from 1966-70. Only anecdotal, (as is your daughter's experience) but on my wing of my dorm (40 guys) we had folks from New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Oklahoma, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio in addition to the kids from Illinois and Wisconsin.

Don't forget to call him Billy while you are at it.  Amazing, simply amazing.

[Cheeks]

Did you have these same discussions under Crean? Maybe it should be called the Wade Rule?  The Lazar Rule?  Or the Trend Rule? I seem to remember MUAD being taken out of the SA acceptance decision process somewhere under the Crean Era. Crean created a lot of animosity by going around academics to Wild on Wade.

Stop glossing it over as a Buzz issue.  It is inherent in the history of MUBB started by Al. Pat Smith, Bob Lackey, Walton, Whitehead, Johnson, Worthen, Green, etc.  We'll see how these new absolute elite rules play out.

As I have said numerous times, I don't agree with it and I strongly believe it goes against the historical mission of the university. When you are dealing with first generation college kids, there are always cracks that need judgment. It's called the Cracked Sidewalks Rule.

Wade has enough credits tracking to graduate in the time period allotted if he would have kept going.  Jae did not and mathematically could not.  I cannot answer for Lazar as I don't know his situation.

Yes, we are all aware of the Dwyane getting in and what a great man he turned out to be....good for Crean in going to bat for him.  Remember, he had good enough grades, he did not have the test scores....the irony is that starting next year he could apply to MU and not even submit those test scores.  Same is true at other schools that no longer require standardized tests.

I'm for opportunities, but let's at least tie them into what is potentially possible....earning a degree is at least statistically POSSIBLE.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Not by the track team. He was welcome to stay on for a team he actually deserved to play on.

So Wally finished on a track scholarship? I thought he was allowed to finish on a academic scholarship. Who knew?

In any regard, his lifetime scholarship was honored.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Wade has enough credits tracking to graduate in the time period allotted if he would have kept going.  Jae did not and mathematically could not.  I cannot answer for Lazar as I don't know his situation.

Yes, we are all aware of the Dwyane getting in and what a great man he turned out to be....good for Crean in going to bat for him.  Remember, he had good enough grades, he did not have the test scores....the irony is that starting next year he could apply to MU and not even submit those test scores.  Same is true at other schools that no longer require standardized tests.

I'm for opportunities, but let's at least tie them into what is potentially possible....earning a degree is at least statistically POSSIBLE.

Goal post shift alert.  The thread is on admittance not progression. Good try.

[Lennys Tap]

Applying a linear rules based system to address an organization problem only makes sense to bureaucrats and the passive aggressive. 

What a perfect summation, right down to the passive aggressive ex MU minor bureaucrat. Kudos, Frenn!

[Dr. Blackheart]

Quick question to those in the know that stuck out in this thread...does MU really administratively (or even in the hallways) refer to this as the "Crowder Rule"?

I am really hoping that is just a Scoop meme. 

Good back and forth on both sides in this discussion (mostly). I am a bit surprised about how the sides are aligning, I must say.

[Newsdreams]

Well, Jae was admitted and eligible to play.  I assumed there was something of merit on his academic transcript.

High school

[Galway Eagle]

So Wally finished on a track scholarship? I thought he was allowed to finish on a academic scholarship. Who knew?

In any regard, his lifetime scholarship was honored.

I didn't think he finished? That's news to me

[Shooter McGavin]

So it was or it wasn't a commuter school in the 70s? 

[Newsdreams]

Quick question to those in the know that stuck out in this thread...does MU really administratively (or even in the hallways) refer to this as the "Crowder Rule"?

I am really hoping that is just a Scoop meme. 

Good back and forth on both sides in this discussion (mostly). I am a bit surprised about how the sides are aligning, I must say.

I understand has nothing to do with Juco's and everything to be able to have a chance graduate.
That's it and stop it, get off my effing lawn. My thread
Just feel happy for these guys. So many vile people on Scoop as the Hon Kong thread showed....

[real chili 83]

Am I in Hong Kong?

[Lennys Tap]

Not by the track team. He was welcome to stay on for a team he actually deserved to play on.

Yeah, once his brother skedaddled he didn't deserve that scholly anymore.

And we're worried about giving a great kid (and player) who is totally NCAA eligible a scholarship - lifetime or otherwise? Really?

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah, once his brother skedaddled he didn't deserve that scholly anymore.

And we're worried about giving a great kid (and player) who is totally NCAA eligible a scholarship - lifetime or otherwise? Really?

If Jae has not made the NBA then MU literally just used a kid for his basketball talents without any chance of reciprocating the transaction. I don't feel strongly either way but if MU's belief is that they should only give scholarships to people who can realistically graduate so they feel less like they're using a player then I get it.

[Newsdreams]

Am I in Hong Kong?

You know fake news Jon posted about the Libyan raid and he had a lot of it wrong per his normal bragging BS. Appreciate his service, but love my 81 year old father's service that he has never bragged about. First only one body was recovered  and it was misidentified as Capt. Paul F Laurence, but instead that body was of the pilot Fernando Rivas-Dominicci. How do I know this? He is from here and his family is basically the equivalent of the Rockefellers. Point is he did not need to be a pilot but it was his dream to be a combat pilot. 2nd BS on the story it was not the French's fault, because at the time Gorbachev was President of Russia and the US trusted them a 30 minute warning was given to a Russian navy battle group stationed off Libya, unfortunately a rogue official of one of the ships tipped off the Libyans, by the time Riva's plane did his bombing run they were the target.

[Newsdreams]

Some how double posted previous attachment couldn't edit

[Lennys Tap]

If Jae has not made the NBA then MU literally just used a kid for his basketball talents without any chance of reciprocating the transaction. I don't feel strongly either way but if MU's belief is that they should only give scholarships to people who can realistically graduate so they feel less like they're using a player then I get it.

Galway,

Marquette has a long and storied history of giving scholarships to basketball players who had little to no chance of graduating during their eligibility. If the player was interested, he stayed on scholarship until he did. I guess these are now called "lifetime scholarships". So rejecting a Jae Crowder because he has 2 years of eligibility and needs 3 years to get a degree (again, if he even wants one), goes against what has always been MU's mission.
Giving an altruistic motive (we don't want to "use" a fully NCAA qualified athlete) seems  reeks of elitist hypocrisy.

[GooooMarquette]

Sorry to take this off-topic again...but Congratulations to Jae and Lazar!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Galway,

Marquette has a long and storied history of giving scholarships to basketball players who had little to no chance of graduating during their eligibility. If the player was interested, he stayed on scholarship until he did. I guess these are now called "lifetime scholarships". So rejecting a Jae Crowder because he has 2 years of eligibility and needs 3 years to get a degree (again, if he even wants one), goes against what has always been MU's mission.
Giving an altruistic motive (we don't want to "use" a fully NCAA qualified athlete) seems  reeks of elitist hypocrisy.

Why is it "elitist hypocrisy" for a school to consider a recruit's academics when deciding who to offer a scholarship to?

[Newsdreams]

Why is it "elitist hypocrisy" for a school to consider a recruit's academics when deciding who to offer a scholarship to?

Because it fits a narrative tgat is not true.

[Cheeks]

Galway,

Marquette has a long and storied history of giving scholarships to basketball players who had little to no chance of graduating during their eligibility. If the player was interested, he stayed on scholarship until he did. I guess these are now called "lifetime scholarships". So rejecting a Jae Crowder because he has 2 years of eligibility and needs 3 years to get a degree (again, if he even wants one), goes against what has always been MU's mission.
Giving an altruistic motive (we don't want to "use" a fully NCAA qualified athlete) seems  reeks of elitist hypocrisy.

Big difference between didn't because they chose to leave and couldn't because it was mathematically impossible.  And as usual, your numbers are wrong.  It wasn't three....try again.

[Cheeks]

Goal post shift alert.  The thread is on admittance not progression. Good try.

No, actually the thread is on both...can one be admitted and have the possibility of graduation within the limits of counting set by the NCAA.  No goalpost shifting at all....it is both and how can you claim otherwise?

[Lennys Tap]

Big difference between didn't because they chose to leave and couldn't because it was mathematically impossible.  And as usual, your numbers are wrong.  It wasn't three....try again.

Wasn't three? With summer school, can't anyone graduate graduate in 3 years? Even if they enter with zero credits? Did Jae start out with minus 20?

[The Sultan]

Marquette has a long and storied history of giving scholarships to basketball players who had little to no chance of graduating during their eligibility.

It does???