Crowder & Hayward to HOF

[Dr. Blackheart]

The worst part of that year was the overwhelming sense of deja vu in the Washington game. After FSU, NC State, West Virginia, Nova (twice), and DePaul all ended up being games where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, the three OT wins gave the impression that the team finally had the ability to hold together at the end and secure wins. Then we play Washington, build the massive lead that looked certain to propel us to the Sweet 16 (we all knew New Mexico was a paper tiger), and it all unraveled thanks to Pondexter and Thomas.

That NCAA game still haunts me as the whole "season ending with a thud" moment.

"The Endline Game"

[Galway Eagle]

"The Endline Game"

That was 2009 against Missouri. The game Brew is mentioning is when we choked a 16 or more lead in like 5minutes against Washington in 2010

[GoldenWarrior11]

Well to deserved to both.  Congrats Jae and Lazar! 

[tower912]

Some guys complain about anything.   The proper response to this news is...'Awesome.  Congratulations.'

[Marcus92]

The proper response to this news is...'Awesome. Congratulations.'

Hear, hear!

[Dr. Blackheart]

That was 2009 against Missouri. The game Brew is mentioning is when we choked a 16 or more lead in like 5minutes against Washington in 2010

Ah yes.  All the heartbreaks are blending together with age.  At least the Kansas and MSU exits were over quickly.

[Shooter McGavin]

Some guys complain about anything.   The proper response to this news is...'Awesome.  Congratulations.'

Correct.  Congratulations to Jae and Lazar!   

[Newsdreams]

Some guys complain about anything.   The proper response to this news is...'Awesome.  Congratulations.'

Or excellent / outstanding

[GooooMarquette]

Or excellent / outstanding

C'mon, Newsy - gotta include terrific and tremendous....

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Some guys complain about anything.   The proper response to this news is...'Awesome.  Congratulations.'

Yup

[brewcity77]

Some guys complain about anything.   The proper response to this news is...'Awesome.  Congratulations.'

Both were great, but Jae was my favorite Marquette player to watch since Wade. He was a ferocious competitor who treated every possession like his life depended on it. I don't know if anyone in my lifetime has been more deserving of the title Warrior.

[GooooMarquette]

Both were great, but Jae was my favorite Marquette player to watch since Wade. He was a ferocious competitor who treated every possession like his life depended on it. I don't know if anyone in my lifetime has been more deserving of the title Warrior.

Maybe Travis Diener or Chris Otule?

But I agree that Jae was also a Warrior.

[swoopem]

The worst part of that year was the overwhelming sense of deja vu in the Washington game. After FSU, NC State, West Virginia, Nova (twice), and DePaul all ended up being games where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, the three OT wins gave the impression that the team finally had the ability to hold together at the end and secure wins. Then we play Washington, build the massive lead that looked certain to propel us to the Sweet 16 (we all knew New Mexico was a paper tiger), and it all unraveled thanks to Pondexter and Thomas.

That NCAA game still haunts me as the whole "season ending with a thud" moment.

That was my senior year and there were about 60 of us watching it at a bar in Cancun. The highest of highs and the lowest of lows all within an hour

[brewcity77]

Maybe Travis Diener or Chris Otule?

But I agree that Jae was also a Warrior.

I enjoyed both of them. But as far as playing with raw energy and a controlled reckless abandon, Jae takes the cake. Not sure anyone went to the floor or threw more balls off opposing players while going out of bounds than Jae did. There have been a lot of fun players to watch, but for me, he is at the top of that list.

[Cheeks]

100% right, Doc. MU doesn't want his "kind" around here anymore. But if MU can use his fame to help the brand...

Is MU running a huge marketing campaign behind this?  Let's not overvalue the induction into MU's HOF as suddenly going to lure kids to campus.  There is no exploitation going on here at all.  Crowder got a great deal, used that to help get him into the Association.

A former coach of ours now down in Texas couldn't keep his staff and players out of some bad publicity and the university clamped down.  Want to blame someone, blame the CEO of the team then.

As for Jae, congratulations on the induction.

[Cheeks]

Standards change.  Is someone really going to say we haven't accepted students that went on to become dentists (good ones) that wouldn't be accepted today?  Or lawyers at MU.  Or general student body?  Of course the answer is true to all of these cases.

And standards will change again.  Things tend to swing back and forth.

[Cheeks]

The worst part of that year was the overwhelming sense of deja vu in the Washington game. After FSU, NC State, West Virginia, Nova (twice), and DePaul all ended up being games where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, the three OT wins gave the impression that the team finally had the ability to hold together at the end and secure wins. Then we play Washington, build the massive lead that looked certain to propel us to the Sweet 16 (we all knew New Mexico was a paper tiger), and it all unraveled thanks to Pondexter and Thomas.

That NCAA game still haunts me as the whole "season ending with a thud" moment.

I was there, and yes it felt inevitable, but we all hoped it wouldn't be.

[NickelDimer]

Sorry to take this off-topic, but congrats to Jae and Lazar.

Well done. I laughed.

Congrats to Zar and Jae. Two guys who embodied the Warrior brand perfectly

[Newsdreams]

C'mon, Newsy - gotta include terrific and tremendous....

Leaving some for everyone

[Lennys Tap]

Is MU running a huge marketing campaign behind this?  Let's not overvalue the induction into MU's HOF as suddenly going to lure kids to campus.  There is no exploitation going on here at all.  Crowder got a great deal, used that to help get him into the Association.

A former coach of ours now down in Texas couldn't keep his staff and players out of some bad publicity and the university clamped down.  Want to blame someone, blame the CEO of the team then.

Did anybody say "huge marketing campaign"? I didn't think so.

As for the rest, blah, blah, blah...same old same old broken record musings from the lying "more shoes to drop" promiser who never delivered. A normal guy would be ashamed and STFU. A normal guy.

[The Sultan]

Did anybody say "huge marketing campaign"? I didn't think so.

No but the idea that MU is somehow using Jae is wrong-headed and misguided.  Jae is, and always has been, a wonderful representative of the University.  And I'm glad that he feels good about his association with MU.

[Lennys Tap]

No but the idea that MU is somehow using Jae is wrong-headed and misguided.  Jae is, and always has been, a wonderful representative of the University.  And I'm glad that he feels good about his association with MU.

Actually, the idea that Jae used MU and MU used Jae is 100% correct. Nothing wrong with that, should be a win, win. And it was.

Now, though, MU has decided that the Jae Crowder's of the world are no longer welcome. If I were Jae, that would stick in my craw. He's evidently a better man than me, though, and for that I salute him.

[Shooter McGavin]

Actually, the idea that Jae used MU and MU used Jae is 100% correct. Nothing wrong with that, should be a win, win. And it was.

Now, though, MU has decided that the Jae Crowder's of the world are no longer welcome. If I were Jae, that would stick in my craw. He's evidently a better man than me, though, and for that I salute him.

Lenny,

You are great poster with a ton of insight into MU basketball, especially the AL era.  But you and several other 70s poster are extremely negative and have an axe to grind.  There are elements to your posts that are correct (jucos should be allowed at MU) but my God this is a good thing.  There is no negative too it.  You are just being ornery and your 70s bunch is as well. 

[Lennys Tap]

Lenny,

You are great poster with a ton of insight into MU basketball, especially the AL era.  But you and several other 70s poster are extremely negative and have an axe to grind.  There are elements to your posts that are correct (jucos should be allowed at MU) but my God this is a good thing.  There is no negative too it.  You are just being ornery and your 70s bunch is as well.

Thanks for the kind words, Shooter. Don't mean to be ornery, but I think the "Crowder Rule" (which is not a Juco ban) is an insult to Jae and a mistake for the program. Glad Jae doesn't take it personally - maybe he doesn't even know it exists. If he does, as I said, he's a better man than I am.

[Shooter McGavin]

Fair enough.  Love the insight and the history you provide.