NFL Thread 2019-2020

[Pakuni]

The fall guys have been identified.

Adam Jahns @adamjahns
The #Bears are firing offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich and offensive line coach Harry Hiestand.

[Dish]

The Bears firing assistants two hours after their year end press conference is soooooooo Bears.

[The Sultan]

Packers should draft a QB fairly high this year too. 

[The Sultan]

John Dorsey could be out at Cleveland.  Man that Kitchens hire was a disaster.  Front office was filled with former Packer guys too.

[cheebs09]

Dorsey and the Browns possibly parting ways. Crazy 12 months for the Browns.

[Cheeks]

I'll stick with my prediction....Tom Brady to the Chargers for 2020 season

[jesmu84]

Bears clean house on the offensive side.

https://twitter.com/ZimmermanSXM/status/1212049662951272449?s=19

[Jockey]

As a Packer fan, I loved the Bears press conference today.

I always say that if you make a mistake, just ignore that fact and double down. Nagy knows that Mitch sucks, but Pace is still convinced he was a great pick.

Hard to know what leadership is worse - Bears or Bulls.

[Uncle Rico]

John Dorsey could be out at Cleveland.  Man that Kitchens hire was a disaster.  Front office was filled with former Packer guys too.

Browns fans deserve better than Jimmy Haslam and family.  What a disaster

[Dr. Blackheart]

Bears clean house on the offensive side.

https://twitter.com/ZimmermanSXM/status/1212049662951272449?s=19

But keep their play caller.  smh

[StillAWarrior]

Browns fans deserve better than Jimmy Haslam and family.  What a disaster

You know, as a Browns fan, I agree with you. But, Kitchens was a mistake. As much as it sucks that they're starting over again, I'm glad they just acknowledged that it was a bad hire and moved on. Losing Dorsey sucks.

[Uncle Rico]

You know, as a Browns fan, I agree with you. But, Kitchens was a mistake. As much as it sucks that they're starting over again, I'm glad they just acknowledged that it was a bad hire and moved on. Losing Dorsey sucks.

I'm a Browns fan as well.  Kitchens was an unmitigated disaster but dumping Dorsey will mean an exodus out from what it sounds like and those are good football people.  The best thing that can happen is the Haslam's selling. 

[rocket surgeon]

I'll stick with my prediction....Tom Brady to the Chargers for 2020 season

Now that's a professional prognostication right there. Are you sure gisele won't veto that one? 

[The Sultan]

As a Packer fan, I loved the Bears press conference today.

I always say that if you make a mistake, just ignore that fact and double down. Nagy knows that Mitch sucks, but Pace is still convinced he was a great pick.

Hard to know what leadership is worse - Bears or Bulls.

Don't pay attention to what Pace says about Mitch. If they can somehow get a better QB, they will.

[JWags85]

I'm a Browns fan as well.  Kitchens was an unmitigated disaster but dumping Dorsey will mean an exodus out from what it sounds like and those are good football people.  The best thing that can happen is the Haslam's selling.

From what one of my closest friends, a Browns fan, is telling me, Haslam is keen on giving the keys to DePodesta.  They are claiming coaches they are interviewing didn't want to work under Dorsey, but I think that's all just a smokescreen for the DePodesta Moneyball angle

[hairy worthen]

From what one of my closest friends, a Browns fan, is telling me, Haslam is keen on giving the keys to DePodesta.  They are claiming coaches they are interviewing didn't want to work under Dorsey, but I think that's all just a smokescreen for the DePodesta Moneyball angle

The DePodesta rumors have been going around for a while. The rumor is he currently meddles in the GM's decisions and that's what ultimately caused Dorsey to leave. If that's true not many good GM's would work under that set up. They will likely make Depodesta GM and get yes men to work under him IMO. That may work for them but keeping Depodesta in his current role and then hiring a different GM would probably fail. Doubtful ownership will make the correct decision. Sad for Browns fans who deserve better. Happy new year.

[The Sultan]

Yeah it makes perfect sense to keep a lifelong baseball guy, who has been with the organization through the 3-36 Hue Jackson era and the 2016 draft debacle, instead of the guy with a proven personnel history in successful organizations.

I mean, I know Dorsey f*cked up with the hiring of Kitchens, but cmon...

[hairy worthen]

Yeah it makes perfect sense to keep a lifelong baseball guy, who has been with the organization through the 3-36 Hue Jackson era and the 2016 draft debacle, instead of the guy with a proven personnel history in successful organizations.

I mean, I know Dorsey f*cked up with the hiring of Kitchens, but cmon...

It's the Browns way. It probably came down to a pissing match between Dorsey  and DePodesta and Dorsey lost. Now Highsmith is gone. Wolf may get the job and be willing to work under that arrangement because he wants the opportunity to be GM. If that's the case then Mc Carthy to Browns.

[The Sultan]

If Wolf would even get the opportunity to hire the coach. 

That being said, I think McCarthy would be a nice fit for the Browns or the Giants.

[Pakuni]

I mean, I know Dorsey f*cked up with the hiring of Kitchens, but cmon...

Too early to say for sure, but Dorsey may also have whiffed on a #1 overall pick and the OBJ trade. Denzel Ward has been just OK and Austin Corbett was a big miss. The trade of Zeitler for Vernon was a loss, especially considering how bad the Browns o-line was this year.

None of this is a defense of DePodesta, but Dorsey's tenure hasn't exactly lived up to the hype.

[The Sultan]

Giving an NFL GM only two years is insane.  Draft picks can take awhile to pan out.

[PGsHeroes32]

The fall guys have been identified.

Adam Jahns @adamjahns
The #Bears are firing offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich and offensive line coach Harry Hiestand.

That really pokes a hole in the theories that Mariota goes to Chicago because of the past connection.

[GB Warrior]

Giving an NFL GM only two years is insane.  Draft picks can take awhile to pan out.

Where I can squint really hard and see Haslam's perspective is that Dorsey had a shot at his coach... and bombed the selection horrifically. And there were chemistry issues up and down the roster.

Some of this is patched up with winning and a better coach, but if you don't have faith in the GM to identify that guy, I guess I don't know why you would keep your GM.

[JWags85]

Giving an NFL GM only two years is insane.  Draft picks can take awhile to pan out.

Yep. Again, Baker was awful this year, but he went from a established and successful QB coach in a decent scheme to a 30 year old QB coach who had been coaching RBs last year and some of the most baffling and inconsistent play calling you will find. We've seen how much that can affect a young QB, and it's not like he's looked entirely hopeless.

As for OBJ, same thing, it's hard to excel when you don't even draw up plays looking for your top 3 WR. It was incredible how many times you'd watch a game and he'd be schemed as a decoy compared to how the Texans use Hopkins or the Steelers used to use AB

[The Sultan]

Where I can squint really hard and see Haslam's perspective is that Dorsey had a shot at his coach... and bombed the selection horrifically. And there were chemistry issues up and down the roster.

Some of this is patched up with winning and a better coach, but if you don't have faith in the GM to identify that guy, I guess I don't know why you would keep your GM.

The problem I have is that Haslam has done this since he has owned the team.  He constantly hits the reset button and never sticks with a plan.  When you hire Dorsey, you are bringing in a Wolf protege.  A guy who is going to build primarily thorugh the draft and build a solid foundation.  Yeah he fucked up the coaching search last year no doubt.  But sticking with the plan and giving him a second chance is better than going with a baseball guy and doing the "give the coach the power" thing which worked wonders with Hue Jackson.

Unless they manage to hire a real good coach, who will trust the personnel guys, I doubt its going to work.  The dynamic with DePodesta is strange and makes little sense.  And I think a lot of good coaches are going to not be very interested.

If you are McCarthy for instance, do you want that?  Or do you want the Giants, with a history of hands off ownership and clear lines of responsibility?