Hijacked Butler Thread

[Hards Alumni]

Intent should matter 100%.  I don't understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today.  Yes, intent matters.  My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn't going to carry much water here....that is fine.

Ever heard of manslaughter?  Only difference here is, the offender has the opportunity to say they're sorry to the victim and become a better person in the process.

Excusing racism of any sort is disgusting.  It should be rooted out in all forms.

Saying "Intent should matter 100%" is like saying, "Sorry, not sorry".

[Pakuni]

Intent should matter 100%.  I don't understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today.  Yes, intent matters.  My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn't going to carry much water here....that is fine.

A person who inadvertently says something offensive is not a bad person. We all do that.
A person who inadvertently says something offensive and then, rather than learn from it and move on: gets defensive; refuses to even try to understand why it was seen as offensive; plays whataboutism; accuses others of being too sensitive; narcissistically insists his/her intent is what really matters; and then tries to position him/herself as the real victim .... well, that's different.

[Cheeks]

Ever heard of manslaughter?  Only difference here is, the offender has the opportunity to say they're sorry to the victim and become a better person in the process.

Excusing racism of any sort is disgusting.  It should be rooted out in all forms.

Saying "Intent should matter 100%" is like saying, "Sorry, not sorry".

Where did I say punishment should not be warranted...to use your example, manslaughter is still a crime and punishment is given.  Intent should still matter 100% of the time, that doesn't change a thing.

The problem is who gets to decide what is and isn't?  If one person says Fighting Irish is racist, it should then be rooted out in All Forms?  Do white Celtics represent all of Boston, how about the white Patriot....you said all forms...so they should be removed, right?  If an African American is offended by the Rap lyrics of another African American, should that be rooted out in all forms?  Are you deciding?  Who is the decider in this?

[Cheeks]

A person who inadvertently says something offensive is not a bad person. We all do that.
A person who inadvertently says something offensive and then, rather than learn from it and move on: gets defensive; refuses to even try to understand why it was seen as offensive; plays whataboutism; accuses others of being too sensitive; narcissistically insists his/her intent is what really matters; and then tries to position him/herself as the real victim .... well, that's different.

I'm speaking in general about anyone...intent should matter.  But appreciate the feedback C.

[Cheeks]

Care for a tissue?

No thanks....it's all so,e people can do these days when they don't agree with, level the charges.  It has become humorous....loved the part in Deadpool 2 that mocks it so much because of how insane it has gotten....they nailed it.

[Cheeks]

Impact has to matter too, because one will never grow if they just think they have perfect motives and are never willing to learn & improve themselves based on the impact they have.

Sure, impact has to matter...who said it doesn't?

[The Sultan]

Plenty of people have called others bad, racist, evil, etc here over the years.  This thread not withstanding. 

??  Why even bring that up if it's not happening here? Why globalize it?

[rocky_warrior]

Seriously?   ok.