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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on June 30, 2019, 04:26:52 PM
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This interview with JFB is 27 minutes long but well worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Alsk1lQ_no
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler
curious, besides the money, the weather and the babes...what up in miami?
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler
curious, besides the money, the weather and the babes...what up in miami?
Lower taxes.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27092928/heat-finalizing-sign-trade-butler
curious, besides the money, the weather and the babes...what up in miami?
What else would one need?
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Dude got married, hey?
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A long history of Marquette stars!
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jimmy has a career in television when his playing days are over. He’s well-spoken, charismatic, and had an easy rapport with the guy who was interviewing him. I know there are some folks here who think we were overrun with JUCO scum during the Buzz era, but some of those guys have turned into fine representatives of the program.
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jimmy has a career in television when his playing days are over. He’s well-spoken, charismatic, and had an easy rapport with the guy who was interviewing him. I know there are some folks here who think we were overrun with JUCO scum during the Buzz era, but some of those guys have turned into fine representatives of the program.
Way to go Idaho
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jimmy has a career in television when his playing days are over. He’s well-spoken, charismatic, and had an easy rapport with the guy who was interviewing him. I know there are some folks here who think we were overrun with JUCO scum during the Buzz era, but some of those guys have turned into fine representatives of the program.
Suggest deleting "well-spoken" from your vocabulary. I'm not saying this about you specifically, but it is a problematic compliment... and it gets used here a lot.
Put it this way. Do our white players get referred to as "well-spoken" or "articulate"?
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Suggest deleting "well-spoken" from your vocabulary. I'm not saying this about you specifically, but it is a problematic compliment... and it gets used here a lot.
Put it this way. Do our white players get referred to as "well-spoken" or "articulate"?
From what I saw of Sam’s interviews, I thought he mostly sounded like a jock. I remember when Brian Wardle filled in on the radio for a game one time and he was absolutely terrible. Travis Diener was also a bad interview when he was here. Wojo’s head would explode if you put him in studio. An example of a white athlete who’s well-spoken? John Smoltz.
Do our white players get referred to as well-spoken? Sure. If I see one who gives a good interview, I’ll give him credit. Matt Heldt seems okay from the clips I’ve seen. Jocks don’t always make for good speakers. The ones who do stand out, regardless of race.
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Suggest deleting "well-spoken" from your vocabulary. I'm not saying this about you specifically, but it is a problematic compliment... and it gets used here a lot.
Put it this way. Do our white players get referred to as "well-spoken" or "articulate"?
Problematic, please explain.
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From what I saw of Sam’s interviews, I thought he mostly sounded like a jock. I remember when Brian Wardle filled in on the radio for a game one time and he was absolutely terrible. Travis Diener was also a bad interview when he was here. Wojo’s head would explode if you put him in studio. An example of a white athlete who’s well-spoken? John Smoltz.
Do our white players get referred to as well-spoken? Sure. If I see one who gives a good interview, I’ll give him credit. Matt Heldt seems okay from the clips I’ve seen. Jocks don’t always make for good speakers. The ones who do stand out, regardless of race.
Okay then, I guess, take it personally.
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Problematic, please explain.
https://www.theroot.com/he-s-so-articulate-what-that-really-means-1790874985
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/weekinreview/04clemetson.html
https://newsone.com/3785854/stereotype-black-people-articulate-obama-cleveland-councilman-kevin-conwell/
http://affinitymagazine.us/2016/12/28/why-black-people-are-tired-of-being-called-articulate/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNbC-MzzLw
If you need further help, I suggest a therapist.
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Suggest deleting "well-spoken" from your vocabulary. I'm not saying this about you specifically, but it is a problematic compliment... and it gets used here a lot.
Put it this way. Do our white players get referred to as "well-spoken" or "articulate"?
Hards - I get what you're saying - as an example, that tape of Joe Biden trying to "compliment" Barak Obama is positively cringe worthy. That said, I didn't get the same vibe reading what Research wrote. Black or white, being "well spoken" or articulate is a major asset for a career in broadcasting (sports or otherwise). When I think articulate, for example, both Jim Nantz and Mike Tirico come to mind. I hope both would take it as a compliment - I know I would if someone said the same of me.
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Problematic, please explain.
Well spoken is a compliment that is usually only given to people of color. You don't hear many people say it about white people. Now before you go "well back in 1998 I said this white person was well spoken" it doesn't matter. It's not about you or any person specifically, it's just something that has happened in our culture.
The reason it is problematic is because if it is a compliment only said about people of color, the implication is that it expected for a white person to be well spoken but it is a pleasant surprise when a person of color is well spoken.
Now you can debate this all you want and that's fine. We are allowed to have our own opinions on the matter. But if your goal is to compliment the person, keep in mind that while you may intend a compliment, your impact may be offensive. A compliment should be about making the other person feel good, not about making yourself feel good. So why use a compliment that you know may end up making the other person feel bad?
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https://www.theroot.com/he-s-so-articulate-what-that-really-means-1790874985
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/04/weekinreview/04clemetson.html
https://newsone.com/3785854/stereotype-black-people-articulate-obama-cleveland-councilman-kevin-conwell/
http://affinitymagazine.us/2016/12/28/why-black-people-are-tired-of-being-called-articulate/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDNbC-MzzLw
If you need further help, I suggest a therapist.
Thanks for clarifying with such a well spoken, properly laid out and clean rebuttal.
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JFB is so freakin' cool.
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Just waiting for someone to do the Chris Rock routine....
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Just waiting for someone to do the Chris Rock routine....
Bingo
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Hards - I get what you're saying - as an example, that tape of Joe Biden trying to "compliment" Barak Obama is positively cringe worthy. That said, I didn't get the same vibe reading what Research wrote. Black or white, being "well spoken" or articulate is a major asset for a career in broadcasting (sports or otherwise). When I think articulate, for example, both Jim Nantz and Mike Tirico come to mind. I hope both would take it as a compliment - I know I would if someone said the same of me.
I agree with you 100% Lenny. I could clearly tell RR's intent was positive. If Hards had come at him and called him a racist or a bad person he would have totally been off base. But fair or not, "well spoken" and "articulate" have become dog whistles in our culture that have problematic implications. I think it is similar to the idea of saying a black athlete is "strong like a gorilla." An athlete's strength is a major asset in his/her career and the phrase is intended to compliment, but in our culture we know that comparing a black person to a monkey in any way is not going to be taken positively. I took Hards post as a "hey, so you know...trying to help" type post, rather than as a condemnation.
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Or calling a white player "deceptively quick."
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I agree with you 100% Lenny. I could clearly tell RR's intent was positive. If Hards had come at him and called him a racist or a bad person he would have totally been off base. But fair or not, "well spoken" and "articulate" have become dog whistles in our culture that have problematic implications. I think it is similar to the idea of saying a black athlete is "strong like a gorilla." An athlete's strength is a major asset in his/her career and the phrase is intended to compliment, but in our culture we know that comparing a black person to a monkey in any way is not going to be taken positively. I took Hards post as a "hey, so you know...trying to help" type post, rather than as a condemnation.
Thank you.
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Or calling a white player "deceptively quick."
Bingo.
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Or calling a white player "deceptively quick."
A real gym rat. Cerebral player.
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I agree with you 100% Lenny. I could clearly tell RR's intent was positive. If Hards had come at him and called him a racist or a bad person he would have totally been off base. But fair or not, "well spoken" and "articulate" have become dog whistles in our culture that have problematic implications. I think it is similar to the idea of saying a black athlete is "strong like a gorilla." An athlete's strength is a major asset in his/her career and the phrase is intended to compliment, but in our culture we know that comparing a black person to a monkey in any way is not going to be taken positively. I took Hards post as a "hey, so you know...trying to help" type post, rather than as a condemnation.
The problem (it seems to me) is that there are tons of ways to compliment an athlete on his strength, for example, without referencing gorillas or monkeys. That such a comparison should be off limits is obvious to me. And certainly when some people use words like well spoken or articulate to describe a black person it is a back handed compliment of surprise that denigrates blacks in general. But should we let a some clumsy or even racist people deny blacks the right to be complimented sincerely as articulate? Is that a positive distinction (being well spoken) that only whites should enjoy? What inoffensive substitute can we use to give people of color their just due? Granted, I'm old, but the black and white people I know consider "articulate" to be a positive and ignore the morons who use it sarcastically.
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The problem (it seems to me) is that there are tons of ways to compliment an athlete on his strength, for example, without referencing gorillas or monkeys. That such a comparison should be off limits is obvious to me. And certainly when some people use words like well spoken or articulate to describe a black person it is a back handed compliment of surprise that denigrates blacks in general. But should we let a some clumsy or even racist people deny blacks the right to be complimented sincerely as articulate? Is that a positive distinction (being well spoken) that only whites should enjoy? What inoffensive substitute can we use to give people of color their just due? Granted, I'm old, but the black and white people I know consider "articulate" to be a positive and ignore the morons who use it sarcastically.
I've learned, in general, that it's not my place to decide for others what does or doesn't hurt their feelings.
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I've learned, in general, that it's not my place to decide for others what does or doesn't hurt their feelings.
Bingo. Or how the same thing that supposedly hurts one’s feeling is given a hand slap and free pass if someone else says it. The hypocrisy is always stunning.
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High basketball IQ
Heady
Traditional
Has some surprising hops
Scrappy
High motor
Gamer
Sneaky athletic
Gritty
Winner
Good fundamentals
Plays the game the right way
Lunch pail guy
cerebral
Intangibles
Gets the most out of his abilities
Has a lot of heart
Someone should create an app so we aren’t upsetting people inadvertently.
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Jimmy made it to the tenth wing.
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Bingo. Or how the same thing that supposedly hurts one’s feeling is given a hand slap and free pass is someone else says it. The hypocrisy is always stunning.
I might be misunderstanding Ska, but I think you are misinterpreting his statement. I think he is saying it is not our place to decide whether or not someone else has the right to be offended by what we say.
Someone should create an app so we aren’t upsetting people inadvertently.
That's not that point. You are going to upset people. That's part of being human. The point is that when someone tells you that you've upset them, don't get defensive and tell them that they are wrong, just say "oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you" and move on. It's really that simple.
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The problem (it seems to me) is that there are tons of ways to compliment an athlete on his strength, for example, without referencing gorillas or monkeys. That such a comparison should be off limits is obvious to me. And certainly when some people use words like well spoken or articulate to describe a black person it is a back handed compliment of surprise that denigrates blacks in general. But should we let a some clumsy or even racist people deny blacks the right to be complimented sincerely as articulate? Is that a positive distinction (being well spoken) that only whites should enjoy? What inoffensive substitute can we use to give people of color their just due? Granted, I'm old, but the black and white people I know consider "articulate" to be a positive and ignore the morons who use it sarcastically.
I like that way that you speak. You are a great storyteller. I enjoy listening to what you have to say. They are an eloquent speaker. They have a way of explaining things so I can understand them...etc.
Or if you know the person and you think they will take it as a compliment, you can say well spoken or articulate. But if they don't take it as a compliment, don't get defensive about it. That's really the key point to this.
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I've learned, in general, that it's not my place to decide for others what does or doesn't hurt their feelings.
Fair enough, a good standard to live by. But OTOH, I know people who routinely take offense on behalf of people who aren't offended in the least.
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I might be misunderstanding Ska, but I think you are misinterpreting his statement. I think he is saying it is not our place to decide whether or not someone else has the right to be offended by what we say.
Yep, you got it. The concept of "taking responsibility for your emotional wake." You can disagree that your intent was to do any harm, but that doesn't change the fact that you were responsible for the harm done. It's a pretty common leadership topic.
Fair enough, a good standard to live by. But OTOH, I know people who routinely take offense on behalf of people who aren't offended in the least.
Agreed.
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I might be misunderstanding Ska, but I think you are misinterpreting his statement. I think he is saying it is not our place to decide whether or not someone else has the right to be offended by what we say.
That's not that point. You are going to upset people. That's part of being human. The point is that when someone tells you that you've upset them, don't get defensive and tell them that they are wrong, just say "oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you" and move on. It's really that simple.
This is falling on deaf ears with him. It violates four main principles of his existence.
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jimmy has a career in television when his playing days are over. He’s well-spoken, charismatic, and had an easy rapport with the guy who was interviewing him. I know there are some folks here who think we were overrun with JUCO scum during the Buzz era, but some of those guys have turned into fine representatives of the program.
Makes you wonder why he has so many challenges with teammates on the various teams he has played on. Another story came out this morning regarding him in Philly.
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I might be misunderstanding Ska, but I think you are misinterpreting his statement. I think he is saying it is not our place to decide whether or not someone else has the right to be offended by what we say.
That's not that point. You are going to upset people. That's part of being human. The point is that when someone tells you that you've upset them, don't get defensive and tell them that they are wrong, just say "oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you" and move on. It's really that simple.
But that works both ways, which is my point and why I pointed out the hypocrisy. Depending who says the what, the “hurt” and outrage that comes from it is either non existent or completely over the top. The main example in this thread is exhibit A.
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But that works both ways, which is my point and why I pointed out the hypocrisy. Depending who says the what, the “hurt” and outrage that comes from it is either non existent or completely over the top. The main example in this thread is exhibit A.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/ca/orange-county
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/ca/orange-county
Cool, my mental health team is on the list. #validation
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But that works both ways, which is my point and why I pointed out the hypocrisy. Depending who says the what, the “hurt” and outrage that comes from it is either non existent or completely over the top. The main example in this thread is exhibit A.
He just gave some advice to the OP. TAMU and others followed up with solid reasoning why society in general is moving away from terms like that.
That’s all. He wasn’t insulting someone or making a larger, societal point. Why is that not acceptable to you?
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Cool, my mental health team is on the list. #validation
He wasn’t suggesting anything about their quality.
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He just gave some advice to the OP. TAMU and others followed up with solid reasoning why society in general is moving away from terms like that.
That’s all. He wasn’t insulting someone or making a larger, societal point. Why is that not acceptable to you?
Hint: Because it is me. And he can't move on.
Up Next: Cheeks doubles down again!
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But that works both ways, which is my point and why I pointed out the hypocrisy. Depending who says the what, the “hurt” and outrage that comes from it is either non existent or completely over the top. The main example in this thread is exhibit A.
What is the main example in this thread? I didn't see any hurt and outrage so I'm not sure what you are talking about.
I'm also not sure what your argument is here. You seem to be saying that that two wrongs make a right.
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Yep, you got it. The concept of "taking responsibility for your emotional wake." You can disagree that your intent was to do any harm, but that doesn't change the fact that you were responsible for the harm done. It's a pretty common leadership topic.
Take responsibility for your emotional wake. I've never heard that phrasing before, but I like it. In my field we always talk about intent vs. impact but I think I like the visual of your wording.
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He just gave some advice to the OP. TAMU and others followed up with solid reasoning why society in general is moving away from terms like that.
That’s all. He wasn’t insulting someone or making a larger, societal point. Why is that not acceptable to you?
It is acceptable to me, but be consistent in the outrage....why isn’t that acceptable to you and others?
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It is acceptable to me, but be consistent in the outrage....why isn’t that acceptable to you and others?
No one person is representative of society at large. JFB...you...me...it doesn’t matter if an individual person is offended. It also doesn’t matter if a majority isn’t offended. It matters what a significant segment of society thinks and finds offensive.
Of course “significant segment” is a relative term. But that’s why there is no hard and fast rule here.
BTW no one here is “outraged.” Don’t create straw men.
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A compliment should be about making the other person feel good, not about making yourself feel good. So why use a compliment that you know may end up making the other person feel bad?
This is the most important part, in my opinion. If you learn that what you are saying and meaning as a compliment is actually offensive, don't complain about why, just accept that this is where the world is now and if you truly give a crap about the person's feelings you claim you want to compliment, adjust your behavior & try to be better.
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This is the most important part, in my opinion. If you learn that what you are saying and meaning as a compliment is actually offensive, don't complain about why, just accept that this is where the world is now and if you truly give a crap about the person's feelings you claim you want to compliment, adjust your behavior & try to be better.
It’s not even that person’s feelings. It’s just other’s feelings in general.
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Jimmy talks good
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Alright, mea culpa. I will never use the term “well-spoken” again, nor will I try to justify its use in my OP.
Jimmy has a ton of charisma and a good sense of humor. He also seems to have an easy way with people when he wants to, even if that’s not who he is behind closed doors. He’ll have a future in television if he wants one, I think.
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Alright, mea culpa. I will never use the term “well-spoken” again, nor will I try to justify its use in my OP.
Jimmy has a ton of charisma and a good sense of humor. He also seems to have an easy way with people when he wants to, even if that’s not who he is behind closed doors. He’ll have a future in television if he wants one, I think.
Agreed!
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What is the main example in this thread? I didn't see any hurt and outrage so I'm not sure what you are talking about.
I'm also not sure what your argument is here. You seem to be saying that that two wrongs make a right.
Exactly the point. If the main example in this thread that was used was someone else, say from a different philosophical bent, would they have been given a free pass like the main example was? Or would it have destroyed the person? Thus...the stunning hypocrisy in the outrage or lack there of. I’m asking for the consistency part on that front.
You can’t decide because A says something it is merely cringeworthy, but if B says the same thing it is the worst thing ever stated. The application of the outrage is comically hypocritical is what I am saying.
It either is or isn’t offensive. It isn’t less so because we like the one guy or he shares our ideology, or more so offensive because we hate the guy, etc. That’s what I am talking about in terms of the main example here.
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High basketball IQ
Heady
Traditional
Has some surprising hops
Scrappy
High motor
Gamer
Sneaky athletic
Gritty
Winner
Good fundamentals
Plays the game the right way
Lunch pail guy
cerebral
Intangibles
Gets the most out of his abilities
Has a lot of heart
Someone should create an app so we aren’t upsetting people inadvertently.
What is Buckyville Bingo?
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JFB was in Brazil partying with Neymar last week......
I wish I had a wife that would allow that.....LOL......
Jimmy is not married......
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What is Buckyville Bingo?
LOL
Coach’s son needs to be added
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Exactly the point. If the main example in this thread that was used was someone else, say from a different philosophical bent, would they have been given a free pass like the main example was? Or would it have destroyed the person? Thus...the stunning hypocrisy in the outrage or lack there of. I’m asking for the consistency part on that front.
You can’t decide because A says something it is merely cringeworthy, but if B says the same thing it is the worst thing ever stated. The application of the outrage is comically hypocritical is what I am saying.
It either is or isn’t offensive. It isn’t less so because we like the one guy or he shares our ideology, or more so offensive because we hate the guy, etc. That’s what I am talking about in terms of the main example here.
While impact matters, most, intent does matter when deciding how to respond. If someone is intentionally saying something to offend, I think that warrants a different response than someone who meant something positive but unintentionally offended someone, no?
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Alright, mea culpa. I will never use the term “well-spoken” again, nor will I try to justify its use in my OP.
Jimmy has a ton of charisma and a good sense of humor. He also seems to have an easy way with people when he wants to, even if that’s not who he is behind closed doors. He’ll have a future in television if he wants one, I think.
Absolutely, I find him to be the most entertaining former Marquette player... by a large margin.
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While impact matters, most, intent does matter when deciding how to respond. If someone is intentionally saying something to offend, I think that warrants a different response than someone who meant something positive but unintentionally offended someone, no?
In this case the impact was zero and the intent was pure and people still took offense.
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In this case the impact was zero and the intent was pure and people still took offense.
Who took offense?
Also, you assume the impact is zero. Maybe it was, but just because it was zero to you doesn't mean it was zero to everyone.
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So how about that JFB guy? He sure is a human being who plays basketball quite well, hey?
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Absolutely, I find him to be the most entertaining former Marquette player... by a large margin.
I think that Wes Matthews and Jimmy Butler would be a good announcing combo. Wes could get through the material with his winning smile, and Jimmy could be the disrupting influence trying to get laughs.
Anyone have a better All-Time Marquette tv talk show combo?
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Looks like chicos haspoisoned this thread with yet another semantical argument. Is there any thread on this board that he hasnt poisoned that i could view, any help appreciated in advance.
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I like that way that you speak. You are a great storyteller. I enjoy listening to what you have to say. They are an eloquent speaker. They have a way of explaining things so I can understand them...etc.
Or if you know the person and you think they will take it as a compliment, you can say well spoken or articulate. But if they don't take it as a compliment, don't get defensive about it. That's really the key point to this.
Just don't say any of those things too much or they will become "code" for a back-handed compliment of persons of color. That is the way language works. Mentally Retarded originally described a low IQ person in some sort of medical term, replacing offensive terms like stupid or moron or simple or whatever. Over time we decided that mentally retarded was insensitive and we switched to mentally challenged. Now we have decided that is offensive and we will move to something else. In a few years whatever we moved to will be deemed insensitive and we will move to something else. Same thing with the N word to Negro to black to African American to person of color, etc.
Everything in our world is moving at accelerated speed now. These cycles of word usage used to be longer. Get used to it. Do your best to not offend, apologize if necessary and move on.
It would also be nice if people tried to interpret the remarks of other in a charitable manner and not assume comments were meant in the worst possible way.
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Just don't say any of those things to much or they will become "code" for a back-handed compliment of persons of color. That is the way language works. Mentally Retarded originally described a low IQ person in some sort of medical term, replacing offensive terms like stupid or moron or simple or whatever. Over time we decided that mentally retarded was insensitive and we switched to mentally challenged. Now we have decided that is offensive and we will move to something else. In a few years whatever we moved to will be deemed insensitive and we will move to something else. Same thing with the N word to Negro to black to African American to person of color, etc.
Everything in our world is moving at accelerated speed now. These cycles of word usage used to be longer. Get used to it. Do your best to not offend, apologize if necessary and move on.
It would also be nice if people tried to interpret the remarks of other in a charitable manner and assume comments were meant in the worst possible way.
This is a home run post.
Also, never underestimate how righteous and empowering it can feel to give someone a stick of gum and show them how to chew it.
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Just don't say any of those things to much or they will become "code" for a back-handed compliment of persons of color. That is the way language works. Mentally Retarded originally described a low IQ person in some sort of medical term, replacing offensive terms like stupid or moron or simple or whatever. Over time we decided that mentally retarded was insensitive and we switched to mentally challenged. Now we have decided that is offensive and we will move to something else. In a few years whatever we moved to will be deemed insensitive and we will move to something else. Same thing with the N word to Negro to black to African American to person of color, etc.
Everything in our world is moving at accelerated speed now. These cycles of word usage used to be longer. Get used to it. Do your best to not offend, apologize if necessary and move on.
It would also be nice if people tried to interpret the remarks of other in a charitable manner and assume comments were meant in the worst possible way.
+1
I just hope I can stay nimble the rest of my career and life and accept and adapt all the way to the end. If I don’t I will be obsolete and frustrated and I don’t want to waste energy ending up there.
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I just hope I can stay nimble the rest of my career and life and accept and adapt all the way to the end. If I don’t I will be obsolete and frustrated and I don’t want to waste energy ending up there.
Could you imagine? Wasting your energy and leisure time arguing on message boards or something inane like that?
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Fair enough, a good standard to live by. But OTOH, I know people who routinely take offense on behalf of people who aren't offended in the least.
Yes. Another way in which Al McGuire was light years ahead of his time and such a treasure to behold. Al had an obscure saying that people need to let a “a world be a world.” He saw the seeds of political correctness gone amok being planted way back in the ‘70s. The ironic thing is that Al’s genius was in being so authentic and genuine that he transcended his own existence. He felt probably more comfortable in the roughest parts of the inner city than in a board meeting at CBS. He had a knack for saying things with so much color and passion without offending anyone in the slightest. The most delicious irony of all is that though he would probably be banned from coaching today due to his authenticity and lack of a “filter”, he stood as a pioneer and leader almost on a par with UTEP coach Don Haskins in breaking down barriers, overcoming overt racism and opening the NCAA game up to African Americans. His epic retort to racist Kentucky coach Rupp...”Coach, with all due respect, unless you plan on putting me in your will, don’t ever refer to me as ‘Son’!”....did more than garner hysterical laughs in the press room. It drew battle lines which helped to usher in a new era of openness.
Sad that the greatest defenders of equality of opportunity, liberty, honor, and doing the right thing would probably be banned from the sport today for their candor and authenticity. Al had another quote that I think captured his essence...”half of life is what people don’t allow themselves to see.” I always saw it as “walk a mile in someone else’s shoes”, but I think Al was lamenting his own life at the top of the college basketball universe and how sometimes with worldly success, it is easy to overlook the struggles of those less fortunate than us. Al always heard that soft inner voice which, amongst his own sometimes brash persona, often called him to make a few “left turns” in life. He always took time to make time for the most vulnerable people he encountered. Imagine that, the least PC guy who ever lived probably had the biggest heart of all.
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I think that Wes Matthews and Jimmy Butler would be a good announcing combo. Wes could get through the material with his winning smile, and Jimmy could be the disrupting influence trying to get laughs.
Anyone have a better All-Time Marquette tv talk show combo?
Something with Lazar would be pretty good.
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Just don't say any of those things to much or they will become "code" for a back-handed compliment of persons of color. That is the way language works. Mentally Retarded originally described a low IQ person in some sort of medical term, replacing offensive terms like stupid or moron or simple or whatever. Over time we decided that mentally retarded was insensitive and we switched to mentally challenged. Now we have decided that is offensive and we will move to something else. In a few years whatever we moved to will be deemed insensitive and we will move to something else. Same thing with the N word to Negro to black to African American to person of color, etc.
Everything in our world is moving at accelerated speed now. These cycles of word usage used to be longer. Get used to it. Do your best to not offend, apologize if necessary and move on.
It would also be nice if people tried to interpret the remarks of other in a charitable manner and assume comments were meant in the worst possible way.
I generally agree with you here. As language evolves, all you can do is try to keep up and do your best to be respectful. When you screw up (I know I have) apologize and try to do better in the future.
Kudos to RR, I think he did that admirably.
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Thanks to CT Warrior, Skatas, TAMU, Hards, Brew, Research, Barro, Fluffy, Frenns and Dancer. Some days I learn things on Scoop and for that I'm grateful.
Going forward, I will be mindful of how quickly language changes. And I'll try to always consider how my words/thoughts are taken, not just how they were intended.
For me, though, I will continue to try to give the benefit of the doubt to people's intent and choose as my friends people who do likewise. I think that's the way for positive, optimistic, and ultimately happy people to approach life. There are so many things that are truly offensive - I don't want to spend a lot of time with people who are looking for excuses to feel that way.
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Thanks to CT Warrior, Skatas, TAMU, Hards, Brew, Research, Barro, Fluffy, Frenns and Dancer. Some days I learn things on Scoop and for that I'm grateful.
Going forward, I will be mindful of how quickly language changes. And I'll try to always consider how my words/thoughts are taken, not just how they were intended.
For me, though, I will continue to try to give the benefit of the doubt to people's intent and choose as my friends people who do likewise. I think that's the way for positive, optimistic, and ultimately happy people to approach life. There are so many things that are truly offensive - I don't want to spend a lot of time with people who are looking for excuses to feel that way.
+1
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While impact matters, most, intent does matter when deciding how to respond. If someone is intentionally saying something to offend, I think that warrants a different response than someone who meant something positive but unintentionally offended someone, no?
Intent should matter 100%. I don’t understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today. Yes, intent matters. My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn’t going to carry much water here....that is fine.
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Intent should matter 100%. I don’t understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today. Yes, intent matters. My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn’t going to carry much water here....that is fine.
I don’t think anyone is calling anyone a bad person over this. Just saying, “hey you might want to use a different phrase next time.”
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I don’t think anyone is calling anyone a bad person over this. Just saying, “hey you might want to use a different phrase next time.”
Plenty of people have called others bad, racist, evil, etc here over the years. This thread not withstanding.
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Plenty of people have called others bad, racist, evil, etc here over the years. This thread not withstanding.
Care for a tissue?
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Intent should matter 100%. I don’t understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today. Yes, intent matters. My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn’t going to carry much water here....that is fine.
Impact has to matter too, because one will never grow if they just think they have perfect motives and are never willing to learn & improve themselves based on the impact they have.
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Intent should matter 100%. I don’t understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today. Yes, intent matters. My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn’t going to carry much water here....that is fine.
Ever heard of manslaughter? Only difference here is, the offender has the opportunity to say they're sorry to the victim and become a better person in the process.
Excusing racism of any sort is disgusting. It should be rooted out in all forms.
Saying "Intent should matter 100%" is like saying, "Sorry, not sorry".
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Intent should matter 100%. I don’t understand how people can judge others hearts without knowing what is in them, but this is the society we live in today. Yes, intent matters. My personal opinion is we are also awfully sensitive in this world, but that opinion isn’t going to carry much water here....that is fine.
A person who inadvertently says something offensive is not a bad person. We all do that.
A person who inadvertently says something offensive and then, rather than learn from it and move on: gets defensive; refuses to even try to understand why it was seen as offensive; plays whataboutism; accuses others of being too sensitive; narcissistically insists his/her intent is what really matters; and then tries to position him/herself as the real victim .... well, that's different.
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Ever heard of manslaughter? Only difference here is, the offender has the opportunity to say they're sorry to the victim and become a better person in the process.
Excusing racism of any sort is disgusting. It should be rooted out in all forms.
Saying "Intent should matter 100%" is like saying, "Sorry, not sorry".
Where did I say punishment should not be warranted...to use your example, manslaughter is still a crime and punishment is given. Intent should still matter 100% of the time, that doesn’t change a thing.
The problem is who gets to decide what is and isn’t? If one person says Fighting Irish is racist, it should then be rooted out in All Forms? Do white Celtics represent all of Boston, how about the white Patriot....you said all forms...so they should be removed, right? If an African American is offended by the Rap lyrics of another African American, should that be rooted out in all forms? Are you deciding? Who is the decider in this?
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A person who inadvertently says something offensive is not a bad person. We all do that.
A person who inadvertently says something offensive and then, rather than learn from it and move on: gets defensive; refuses to even try to understand why it was seen as offensive; plays whataboutism; accuses others of being too sensitive; narcissistically insists his/her intent is what really matters; and then tries to position him/herself as the real victim .... well, that's different.
I’m speaking in general about anyone...intent should matter. But appreciate the feedback C.
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Care for a tissue?
No thanks....it’s all so,e people can do these days when they don’t agree with, level the charges. It has become humorous....loved the part in Deadpool 2 that mocks it so much because of how insane it has gotten....they nailed it.
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Impact has to matter too, because one will never grow if they just think they have perfect motives and are never willing to learn & improve themselves based on the impact they have.
Sure, impact has to matter...who said it doesn’t?
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Plenty of people have called others bad, racist, evil, etc here over the years. This thread not withstanding.
?? Why even bring that up if it’s not happening here? Why globalize it?
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Seriously? ok.