What I heard

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Faith that the program was going to have March success under Wojo. Faith that next year wasn't going to be a redux of the final seven games. Faith that next year was going to be more than just the Markus Howard show.

How are you so sure they gave a crap about team accomplishments? Koby and Greg were coming to take some of the ball handling duties off Markus yet they still left. It wasn't about team success, it was about their careers.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Sam was much better than Markus in those games.

Not really
And Joey didnt belong on the court.  Was it Seton Hall where Joey lireally handed them the ball on like 6 Straight plays?

[TallTitan34]

Not really
And Joey didnt belong on the court.  Was it Seton Hall where Joey lireally handed them the ball on like 6 Straight plays?

First four possessions to start the game and wasn't removed. Almost like he too had a long leash. Hmmmm.

[Lennys Tap]

Like when he turned the ball over on the first four possessions of the game to clinch the Big East?

Literally each of the first four possessions.

How can you complain about Markus' long leash when the Hausers also we're given a long leash?

Instead of talking about "long leashes" or a few turnovers look at the facts. Markus's usage was off the charts high in our swoon and his Ortg sucked. Sam was much better overall and light year's better if you throw out Creighton.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Instead of talking about "long leashes" or a few turnovers look at the facts. Markus's usage was off the charts high in our swoon and his Ortg sucked. Sam was much better overall and light year's better if you throw out Creighton.

Umm not really
Markus sucked down the stretch but Sam was right next to him and Joey was an absolute s#it show

[TallTitan34]

Instead of talking about "long leashes" or a few turnovers look at the facts. Markus's usage was off the charts high in our swoon and his Ortg sucked. Sam was much better overall and light year's better if you throw out Creighton.

I must have missed when Sam was carrying us down the stretch? 

[swoopem]

Not really
And Joey didnt belong on the court.  Was it Seton Hall where Joey lireally handed them the ball on like 6 Straight plays?

That was Creighton

[avid1010]

How are you so sure they gave a crap about team accomplishments? Koby and Greg were coming to take some of the ball handling duties off Markus yet they still left. It wasn't about team success, it was about their careers.

Its interesting to me that you seem to want to pin this on Joey and believe the team is happy to see them go. 

[RJax55]

How are you so sure they gave a crap about team accomplishments? Koby and Greg were coming to take some of the ball handling duties off Markus yet they still left. It wasn't about team success, it was about their careers.

Honestly, take a step back. We watched Sam Hauser for three years. In that time, did you ever get the impression that he was anything but a team guy?

Hell, most here during his tenure wished he was more selfish. And, when he was limping around in the NIT games last year, was he doing that for his own benefit?

[avid1010]

I must have missed when Sam was carrying us down the stretch?

I must have missed when he was given the opportunity to do so.

I know we will miss two guys who shot over 40% from 3 and rebounded well for their position. 

[NavinRJohnson]

Honestly, take a step back. We watched Sam Hauser for three years. In that time, did you ever get the impression that he was anything but a team guy?

Hell, most here during his tenure wished he was more selfish. And, when he was limping around in the NIT games last year, was he doing that for his own benefit?

Not sure why everything has to be such an either or. He can be a great guy, team player, unselfish, wants his team to be successful, etc., and still feel his best chance to make the NBA is by going somewhere else.

[RJax55]

Not sure why everything has to be such an either or. He can be a great guy, team player, unselfish, wants his team to be successful, etc., and still feel his best chance to make the NBA is by going somewhere else.

Why are you assuming that the transfer out is about his NBA chances?

[NavinRJohnson]

Why are you assuming that the transfer out is about his NBA chances?

Because I am. I know that sounds dumb, but Quite frankly it's what it should be about IMO. May not get there, but both should at least have the aspirations, and I assume they do.

That said, the way the roster was set up for next year, they're probably doing the right thing. I firmly believe both would've seen reduced minutes and rolls.

There doesn't necessarily need to be a villain(s) in this. Has anyone considered the possibility that Wojo and Hauser family discussed as adults and they made the decision they thought was best?

[Lennys Tap]

I must have missed when Sam was carrying us down the stretch?

Final 7 games ORtg averages:

Sam :    108.3
Markus:   94.6
Joey:       93.0

Not only was Markus awful, he had an unbelievably high usage rate (41%). IOW, the worse he sucked the more he chucked. And the team collapsed.

Sorry if the numbers don't jibe with your (or Sandy's) recollection but there they are.

[muhoops1]

Because I am. I know that sounds dumb, but Quite frankly it's what it should be about IMO. May not get there, but both should at least have the aspirations, and I assume they do.

That said, the way the roster was set up for next year, they're probably doing the right thing. I firmly believe both would've seen reduced minutes and rolls.

There doesn't necessarily need to be a villain(s) in this. Has anyone considered the possibility that Wojo and Hauser family discussed as adults and they made the decision they thought was best?

Who has the hashtag #LeagueMe?  Not Joey or Sam.  Markus does.  Dude he dominated the ball, not what anyone signed up for and Wojo is OK with it.  Look at his offenses over the years; Carlino dominated the ball, Ellenson, Rowsey...that was out of necessity.  This team was balanced.  But Wojo let Markus go for broke and it broke.  Good or bad.

[brewcity77]

let me start with the guys he's not going to guard
1. Ja Morant
2. ...

I can see Joey guarding Ja Morant.

After all, I saw it live & continue to see it on highlight reels every week.

[RJax55]

Because I am. I know that sounds dumb, but Quite frankly it's what it should be about IMO. May not get there, but both should at least have the aspirations, and I assume they do.

That said, the way the roster was set up for next year, they're probably doing the right thing. I firmly believe both would've seen reduced minutes and rolls.

There doesn't necessarily need to be a villain(s) in this. Has anyone considered the possibility that Wojo and Hauser family discussed as adults and they made the decision they thought was best?

There's no way Sam's role was going to be diminished. He had a legit shot at being a first team all Big East pre-season selection. He was going to play 30+ minutes a night.

[Bad_Reporter]

What I heard...

It may not be over yet.  More dominos may fall. 

Take it for what it's worth

-bad reporter

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

There's no way Sam's role was going to be diminished. He had a legit shot at being a first team all Big East pre-season selection. He was going to play 30+ minutes a night.

They were both going to play 30 plus.

[NavinRJohnson]

There's no way Sam's role was going to be diminished. He had a legit shot at being a first team all Big East pre-season selection. He was going to play 30+ minutes a night.

Well, that's what he played this year. You honestly believe with McEwen and Elliott coming in, and the way Bailey played late in the year that his minutes weren't going to decrease? The math just doesn't work. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. I love both of them (remember I'm the one arguing that  they are NBA prospects), but those more athletic guys were going to be on the floor. You can only play 5 guys at a time.

[RJax55]

They were both going to play 30 plus.

I know. But, hey, whatever makes you feel better about the Hausers leaving.

I'm sure Sam was fearful about losing minutes to Bailey. It's silly.

[WarriorDad]

What I heard...

It may not be over yet.  More dominos may fall. 

Take it for what it's worth

-bad reporter

What I heard from my daughter (she is a student) is the student basketball managers have been talking for at least a month that this was possible.  One more could transfer.  Not everyone on the team is upset at what transpired today, despite a general liking of the Hauser brothers.

[tower912]

Well, that's what he played this year. You honestly believe with McEwen and Elliott coming in, and the way Bailey played late in the year that his minutes weren't going to decrease? The math just doesn't work. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. I love both of them (remember I'm the one arguing that  they are NBA prospects), but those more athletic guys were going to be on the floor. You can only play 5 guys at a time.

Yup.   I have a sneaking suspicion that it had become clear that the starting line up next year was going to be Koby, Markus, Sacar, Sam, and Theo.   Bailey got better down the stretch, particularly defensively.   

[RJax55]

Well, that's what he played this year. You honestly believe with McEwen and Elliott coming in, and the way Bailey played late in the year that his minutes weren't going to decrease? The math just doesn't work. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. I love both of them (remember I'm the one arguing that  they are NBA prospects), but those more athletic guys were going to be on the floor. You can only play 5 guys at a time.

On Sam, no chance.

I agree that Joey could have been pushed, but I figured this off-season would have been his chance to add much needed strength.

[jesmu84]

What I heard from my daughter (she is a student) is the student basketball managers have been talking for at least a month that this was possible.  One more could transfer.  Not everyone on the team is upset at what transpired today, despite a general liking of the Hauser brothers.

Any further details you would care to provide?

Especially with regards to who was not upset