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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Fred Garvin on April 15, 2019, 02:42:36 PM
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So without going into a boat load of details,a good friend of mine,who's son is very connected to Wisconsin players,who know Hausers very well said they hate playing with Howard.This is not on Wojo,remember they did not want to play with Herro as well.Wojo might not be great or whatever,but this is not on him.
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It's 100% on Wojo.
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I love Howard.
But listen... Markus announced on April 12th... hauser announce after?
I see it clear as day.
It’s been 3 days. Take the weekend contact schools. See what’s out there.
Announce.
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So without going into a boat load of details,a good friend of mine,who's son is very connected to Wisconsin players,who know Hausers very well said they hate playing with Howard.This is not on Wojo,remember they did not want to play with Herro as well.Wojo might not be great or whatever,but this is not on him.
When one of my eighth graders comes to me and tells me Matty is bothering them, then comes to me again and says Johnnie is bothering them, then comes to me and says Reggie is bothering them, eventually I turn to the kid and ask them what all of those situations have in common.
Maybe Sam and Joey, who have been the "stars" their whole lives, are the divas if they can't deal with being upstaged by Herro or Howard.
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So without going into a boat load of details,a good friend of mine,who's son is very connected to Wisconsin players,who know Hausers very well said they hate playing with Howard.This is not on Wojo,remember they did not want to play with Herro as well.Wojo might not be great or whatever,but this is not on him.
And the person I spoke to said they love Markus, but do not like the pick and roll style of play Wojo coaches. Not enough movement in the offense. They both feel like they can be point forwards and run the offense. On a side note, my opinion, both the Hausers play the same position. It's going to be hard at a high major to see them both starting.
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So without going into a boat load of details,a good friend of mine,who's son is very connected to Wisconsin players,who know Hausers very well said they hate playing with Howard.This is not on Wojo,remember they did not want to play with Herro as well.Wojo might not be great or whatever,but this is not on him.
I believe I understand what you are saying, but to say this is not on Wojo is disingenuous. Wojo or any head coach would share in responsibility for what happened.
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And the person I spoke to said they love Markus, but do not like the pick and roll style of play Wojo coaches. Not enough movement in the offense. They both feel like they can be point forwards and run the offense. On a side note, my opinion, both the Hausers play the same position. It's going to be hard at a high major to see them both starting.
Great, that’s fine but Joey couldn’t dribble without turning the ball over last year.
Me thinks Joey may be slightly overestimating his ability.
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And the person I spoke to said they love Markus, but do not like the pick and roll style of play Wojo coaches. Not enough movement in the offense. They both feel like they can be point forwards and run the offense. On a side note, my opinion, both the Hausers play the same position. It's going to be hard at a high major to see them both starting.
Some high major will take them
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Didn't markus get a tatoo of the hausers? lol they seemed very close off the court. But now sams leaving cuz he cant stand to play with him anymore after 3 years? ok. makes sense...
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And the person I spoke to said they love Markus, but do not like the pick and roll style of play Wojo coaches. Not enough movement in the offense. They both feel like they can be point forwards and run the offense. On a side note, my opinion, both the Hausers play the same position. It's going to be hard at a high major to see them both starting.
I partially believe this. What about their game makes them think they can be point forwards? If that was their goal and Wojo STILL decided to back up Markus at PG with Joseph C, it tells me their PG skills are not very developed. I could maybe see Sam at point in the right system, but no chance Joey gets PG minutes anywhere
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Joey a point forward
Hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I’ve heard it all now.
Heck, while Sam may be capable. We seemed to go to Sacar more for that in desperate times
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They may really get along well as friends,just don't play basketball well together.I do t know,I think if we would have had a true point guard,a lot of problems would have been solved
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Didn't markus get a tatoo of the hausers? lol they seemed very close off the court. But now sams leaving cuz he cant stand to play with him anymore after 3 years? ok. makes sense...
Use your brain man, Sam probably does like Markus OFF the Court! On the court a different story Put yourself in there shoes, or any other of the players shoes....would you honestly want to play with Markus after last season?
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And the person I spoke to said they love Markus, but do not like the pick and roll style of play Wojo coaches. Not enough movement in the offense. They both feel like they can be point forwards and run the offense. On a side note, my opinion, both the Hausers play the same position. It's going to be hard at a high major to see them both starting.
It took Sam three years to figure this out?
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It took Sam three years to figure this out?
Sam is a very good big brother.
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So without going into a boat load of details,a good friend of mine,who's son is very connected to Wisconsin players,who know Hausers very well said they hate playing with Howard.This is not on Wojo,remember they did not want to play with Herro as well.Wojo might not be great or whatever,but this is not on him.
Well then unnatural carnal knowledge the Hausers. A Top 5 team coming back and Joey could have been without him for 2 of those years. Im sorry but when they were with us they were ours but now that they have left and the potential they walked away from? unnatural carnal knowledge the Hausers.
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They may really get along well as friends,just don't play basketball well together.I do t know,I think if we would have had a true point guard,a lot of problems would have been solved
BINGO!!!!
THEY DID NOT HAVE A TRUE PG.
That is what I been saying all along...that would have taken the ball out of Howard's hands and evenly distributed it.
Once other teams found out how to stop him or slow him down, and the injuries and pounding too effect late in the season it was too late to pass to the Hauser's.
I knew if he returned they would look to move on.
But it is still a bad move for the Hauser's to do this because winning is what it is all about. MU is already a high profile school so they would get looks. They should have waited to see what McEwen could do and how he would make them look.
It was a horrible move for them...now they both have to sit out next year. Sam might as well declared for the draft or go to the G-League now rather than transfer to another University. He wasting a year!
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Absolutely
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Whatever reason you want to use......
And the possibilities are probably 5 to 10.....
The underlying issues always have to come back to Wojo.....
What recruit in 2020 will want to come here......
This is a Wojo firing moment.....
You have to protect the program now.....
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I mean based on all the evidence we have its 1 of 2 things.
1) They hate playing with Howard, and Sam is willing to delay making money 12 months and sit out a year in order get away. Joey is willing to potentially burn 33% of his remaining eligibility to do the same.
2) Or they absolutely despise Wojo.
Nothing else makes much sense.
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Use your brain man, Sam probably does like Markus OFF the Court! On the court a different story Put yourself in there shoes, or any other of the players shoes....would you honestly want to play with Markus after last season?
Markus carried the team to some big wins. You know Sam did average 11+ shots a game...his problem was his 3pt% dropped dramatically. His assists went down as well.
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Whatever reason you want to use......
And the possibilities are probably 5 to 10.....
The underlying issues always have to come back to Wojo.....
What recruit in 2020 will want to come here......
This is a Wojo firing moment.....
You have to protect the program now.....
Recruits only care about playing time. They won’t care that a pair of brothers transferred who weren’t the best player on the team.
They’ll see Markus tearing it up and think I can be like that guy. Now if other players on the team transfer, then there are some issues but until then it’s an isolated incident.
You can want to get rid of Wojo for a ton of reasons, but not because of 2020 recruits.
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Sam is a very good big brother.
That is exactly my thought. I wonder if part of this is watching Herro develop into a first round pick while Joey floundered at the end of the year.
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I mean based on all the evidence we have its 1 of 2 things.
1) They hate playing with Howard, and Sam is willing to delay making money 12 months and sit out a year in order get away. Joey is willing to potentially burn 33% of his remaining eligibility to do the same.
2) Or they absolutely despise Wojo.
Nothing else makes much sense.
If it's 1), that's poor teamwork on the Hausers.
If it's 2), why did it take 3 years for Sam to figure out?
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My understanding is that it wasn’t an issue with Markus as more of an issue with Wojo and his handling of Markus. Wojo held him to a lower standard which led to the disconnect. It’s not a just Markus thing as the same thing happened with Roswey as well. Sam and Joey felt this wasn’t going to change hence the transfer. This is indeed a fire wojo moment but that will never happen.
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I believe I understand what you are saying, but to say this is not on Wojo is disingenuous. Wojo or any head coach would share in responsibility for what happened.
Has NOTHING TO DO with Wojo....stop it.
And if it style of play, he would change that with a competent PG. Chartouny was useless and thy really missed not having Greg Elliott and that Koby McEwen kid...time for them to step up now.
I am excited...
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If it's 1), that's poor teamwork on the Hausers.
If it's 2), why did it take 3 years for Sam to figure out?
In regards to #2, thats why I think #1 makes the most sense. As stupid as it may be.
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Has NOTHING TO DO with Wojo....stop it.
And if it style of play, he would change that with a competent PG. Chartouny was useless and thy really missed not having Greg Elliott and that Koby McEwen kid...time for them to step up now.
I am excited...
I mean its definitely partially on Wojo to explain to these kids why transferring isn't the right decision that he would do X, Y and Z to ease their concerns.
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In regards to #2, thats why I think #1 makes the most sense. As stupid as it may be.
Who was here in year 3 that wasn’t here in year one or two?
Think about it. Sam was option 4 or 5 his Freshman year depending on how you look at Katin, was option 3 as a sophomore and option 2 last year.
I can’t ever remember Sam never seeming upset about his role.
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Whatever reason you want to use......
And the possibilities are probably 5 to 10.....
The underlying issues always have to come back to Wojo.....
What recruit in 2020 will want to come here......
This is a Wojo firing moment.....
You have to protect the program now.....
+1 others have said it today, but i would rather be a year early than a year late. Next year's team is a fringe top 25 team. the following year has a ton of holes to fill. Lets pull this band aid off now and start the rebuild...again. >:(
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+1 others have said it today, but i would rather be a year early than a year late. Next year's team is a fringe top 25 team. the following year has a ton of holes to fill. Lets pull this band aid off now and start the rebuild...again. >:(
I disagree. We might as well ride out this year and see if it takes us somewhere. See if it leads to a big 2020 recruiting class. If it doesn't then cut ties at the end of the year and your rebuilding process was only delayed one year. It's not like there are lots of hot candidates to go after right now anyways.
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Who was here in year 3 that wasn’t here in year one or two.
No one I would think would matter to the Hauser's in this decision. Brendan, Koby and Joe C would the only ones. They've never played a game with Koby, Joe C is gone, and can't imagine Brendan would have any bearing on this whatsoever, so not sure where you're going with this one.
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No one I would think would matter to the Hauser's in this decision. Brendan, Koby and Joe C would the only ones. They've never played a game with Koby, Joe C is gone, and can't imagine Brendan would have any bearing on this whatsoever, so not sure where you're going with this one.
I’m talking Joey. Just edited the last post.
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No one I would think would matter to the Hauser's in this decision. Brendan, Koby and Joe C would the only ones. They've never played a game with Koby, Joe C is gone, and can't imagine Brendan would have any bearing on this whatsoever, so not sure where you're going with this one.
That Joey is the primary one who is unhappy because Sam seemed fine in years one and two.
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I believe Bailey will be a better player then Joey,I really believe Joey would lose minutes ri him next year
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I am excited...
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With all sincerity, I admire your optimism. I really hope you're right.
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Has NOTHING TO DO with Wojo....stop it.
And if it style of play, he would change that with a competent PG. Chartouny was useless and thy really missed not having Greg Elliott and that Koby McEwen kid...time for them to step up now.
I am excited...
Agree to disagree. I think Wojo would even accept some responsibility for this situation.
I'm glad your excited....can we finally evaluate Wojo by the quality of the team he puts on the court? At the end of the day, if he can put MU in a S16 with all 1 star recruits, I'll be happy. Just tired of 5 years of excuses.
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Maybe in exit interviews Wojo told Joey he was getting beaten out by Bailey, who’s a far better defensive player?
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I believe Bailey will be a better player then Joey,I really believe Joey would lose minutes ri him next year
What about this season gave you any indication that Brendan will be better than Joey. That's preposterous. Was it Brendan's 25% 3P FG %?
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What about this season gave you any indication that Brendan will be better than Joey. That's preposterous. Was it Brendan's 25% 3P FG %?
Brendan played great defense and took alot of Joey's minutes by doing so.
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I disagree. We might as well ride out this year and see if it takes us somewhere. See if it leads to a big 2020 recruiting class. If it doesn't then cut ties at the end of the year and your rebuilding process was only delayed one year. It's not like there are lots of hot candidates to go after right now anyways.
True, i guess it would also give us some time to start working the back channels on a coaching search.
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+1 others have said it today, but i would rather be a year early than a year late. Next year's team is a fringe top 25 team. the following year has a ton of holes to fill. Lets pull this band aid off now and start the rebuild...again. >:(
Hire WHO. Have you watched what St John's is going through. We had to make a late season hire when Rick M left. No thanks. We ride this out but next year if Wojo doesn't deliver you fire him during the yearly coach derby.
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True, i guess it would also give us some time to start working the back channels on a coaching search.
Agree with this.
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Yes SAM was happy in year one and two. That is why Joey came. Year three was different, Markus was different, if you cannot see that then you are blind.
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Brendan played great defense and took alot of Joey's minutes by doing so.
Great seems like an overstatement. He was a liability for the most part on offense and Joey was a much better rebounder, as well. I understand we're trying to find a silver lining but to project Brendan as a better player is crazy to me.
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If having a true PG would help solve the problem, then the Hausers are leaving as help is coming. With Joe C not living up to potential, and Greg going down to injury, Howard was forced to playing PG. With Koby becoming eligible, Greg healed and (possibly) Torrence coming, their is a higher likelihood for Howard to play off the ball more often.
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What about this season gave you any indication that Brendan will be better than Joey. That's preposterous. Was it Brendan's 25% 3P FG %?
I don't know if Brendan will be better, but it's not preposterous.
He's longer, more athletic, handles the ball better and is a FAR better defender. He missed two years of competitive hoops, so the shooting percentage could be an anomaly.
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Great, that’s fine but Joey couldn’t dribble without turning the ball over last year.
Me thinks Joey may be slightly overestimating his ability.
Joey should become a pretty good college player, but he would have been lucky to get 10+ minutes a game as a freshman had he gone to Michigan State.
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Joey is a pro. Sorry, guys
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If having a true PG would help solve the problem, then the Hausers are leaving as help is coming. With Joe C not living up to potential, and Greg going down to injury, Howard was forced to playing PG. With Koby becoming eligible, Greg healed and (possibly) Torrence coming, their is a higher likelihood for Howard to play off the ball more often.
I think the point is that the Hausers didn't think Wojo would let that happen.
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That is exactly my thought. I wonder if part of this is watching Herro develop into a first round pick while Joey floundered at the end of the year.
Absolutely no comparison between Herro and Joey. Herro is almost surely a 1st round pick and, possibly a late lottery pick. Joey's not.
Herro was way better coming out of HS and is still way better now.
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Joey is a pro. Sorry, guys
Yeah. Think this is all about Joey’s future than anything else. MSU?
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What about this season gave you any indication that Brendan will be better than Joey. That's preposterous. Was it Brendan's 25% 3P FG %?
Umm....there is the other half of the court.
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I believe Bailey will be a better player then Joey,I really believe Joey would lose minutes ri him next year
I've started thinking this more and more as the year wore on
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Joey is a pro. Sorry, guys
One of the first questions scouts ask is "What position can he defend?" Right now the answer is zilch.
He has outstanding basketball skills, but is very slow of foot and nowhere near as tough (mentally) as Sam.
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I do not think the program will miss Joey Hauser one iota. Easily replaceable n extremely over rated. Freshman improve no doubt but his issues are not easily fixed. His defense n lack of athleticim were really bad, i think he missed the one dunk he attempted?
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Has NOTHING TO DO with Wojo....stop it.
And if it style of play, he would change that with a competent PG. Chartouny was useless and thy really missed not having Greg Elliott and that Koby McEwen kid...time for them to step up now.
I am excited...
You also said Cain deserved a bunch more minutes soooo, yeah. Credibility isn’t on your side
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Joey is a pro. Sorry, guys
Depends on your definition of pro
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Joey is a pro. Sorry, guys
he will be. Not in the NBA though. Right now, He's a poor mans Henry Ellenson who cannot create his own shot
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Joey is a pro. Sorry, guys
I agree - something happened late in the year (fatigue, usage, other) that made the end of season frustrating, but he seems to have the skills to get there.
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he will be. Not in the NBA though. Right now, He's a poor mans Henry Ellenson who cannot create his own shot
Better outside shooter than Henry by a mile.
He'll be a pro.
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I agree - something happened late in the year (fatigue, usage, other) that made the end of season frustrating, but he seems to have the skills to get there.
He was slow all year. I think he will be slow all next year, and the year after. lots of iq, and probably a great college player, but he'd have to up his 3 point percentage to near 40 (guessing) to cover his deficiencies.
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Better outside shooter than Henry by a mile.
He'll be a pro.
Way worse athlete. Who is Joey going to guard in the pros?
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Way worse athlete. Who is Joey going to guard in the pros?
let me start with the guys he's not going to guard
1. Ja Morant
2. ...
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let me start with the guys he's not going to guard
1. Ja Morant
2. ...
nice
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Has NOTHING TO DO with Wojo....stop it.
As a guy who has been called a Wojo "apologist" on this board, I have to disagree with you.
The head coach is the CEO of the "corporation." When there is failure in the corporate structure, it is always at least partly on the CEO, and often more than just partly.
For it to come to our second and third best players being so upset with the situation that they felt their only recourse was to leave, that of course has something to do with the coach.
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I posted this in another thread about the development of Xavier Tillman.....
Do you think he would be what he is after 2 years if he came to Marquette.....
That and the Herro analysis.....
I would not want to be in Wojo's shoes today.....
A heck of a lot of questions.....
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Yes SAM was happy in year one and two. That is why Joey came. Year three was different, Markus was different, if you cannot see that then you are blind.
Yep.
In Year 1, Sam and Markus were both young "rotation" players for a very balanced team that included two senior perimeter players (JJJ, Reinhardt), a 4th-year junior perimeter player (Rowsey) and a senior post (Luke). Others had the ball more, took more shots, were counted on to come through in pressure situations, etc. They benefited from the attention paid to others. Markus benefited to the tune of 55% 3-point shooting, Sam 45%, as they were often left wide open by defenses.
In Year 2, Rowsey became the ball-dominant PG. Sam was especially the beneficiary, as Rowsey and Markus had to be accounted for by the defense every possession. I'm guessing Sam LOVED being part of that troika.
In Year 3, Markus had the ball all day, all night, all the time. I'm a big Markus fan, and I don't put any of this on him because he is who he is. But who he isn't is a PG who sees the court well, creates opportunities for others and distributes the ball. I find it totally plausible that Sam and Joey (and maybe especially Mommy and Daddy H?) were frustrated by that.
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I've heard a lot and without going into too much: The timing between Markus coming back and this situation is not a coincidence. Wojo could have handled it better, going back to last season and some of the things he said to the team as a whole about Markus versus the other players. Feelings are that Markus gets preferential treatment. Hausers could have handled it better, got offended and wanted a bigger role. So they........quit and are leaving Marquette.
Everyone is a little bit to blame in this. Wojo is the coach and leader of the team so buck stops with him. But Markus and Sam are the leaders on the floor. They all should've worked this out. Had a legit shot of Final 4. Worst thing Markus did was shoot too much.......
Reminder to everyone to not make emotionally based decisions about your career.
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I've heard a lot and without going into too much: The timing between Markus coming back and this situation is not a coincidence. Wojo could have handled it better, going back to last season and some of the things he said to the team as a whole about Markus versus the other players. Feelings are that Markus gets preferential treatment. Hausers could have handled it better, got offended and wanted a bigger role. So they........quit and are leaving Marquette.
Everyone is a little bit to blame in this. Wojo is the coach and leader of the team so buck stops with him. But Markus and Sam are the leaders on the floor. They all should've worked this out. Had a legit shot of Final 4. Worst thing Markus did was shoot too much.......
Reminder to everyone to not make emotionally based decisions about your career.
The idea that our end of the year sheet show was cased by the Hauser's quitting is damning to the Hausers, if true. I don't care how pissed you are at a teammate or coach. Play out the season and transfer, fine. Tank when your team is in the top ten? I can't swallow that logic.
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I don't think there's any truth to a statement like "the Hausers tanked the end of the season." I think things that people are fine with when the team is winning can quickly become frustrating when the team is losing.
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I don't think there's any truth to a statement like "the Hausers tanked the end of the season." I think things that people are fine with when the team is winning can quickly become frustrating when the team is losing.
I agree with you...but then I remember the 6 turnover 1st half Sam had @ Seton Hall.
Doubt it was intentional, but boy was that a horrid performance mostly ignored because he calmed down and hit some shots.
Markus gets the blame during the swoon but I think everybody is forgetting some really poor Hauser performances too.
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The idea that our end of the year sheet show was cased by the Hauser's quitting is damning to the Hausers, if true. I don't care how pissed you are at a teammate or coach. Play out the season and transfer, fine. Tank when your team is in the top ten? I can't swallow that logic.
Just clarifying---I was responding to an earlier post. I am not saying they tanked. Only saying that IF they did, as I thought the earlier post suggested, that would reveal some serious character issues. I still have no real explanation for that epic collapse.
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I agree with you...but then I remember the 6 turnover 1st half Sam had @ Seton Hall.
Doubt it was intentional, but boy was that a horrid performance mostly ignored because he calmed down and hit some shots.
Markus gets the blame during the swoon but I think everybody is forgetting some really poor Hauser performances too.
Sam Hauser shot 38% in March. Took 76 shots in those six games which is nearly 13 attempts a game.
When our best player was playing injured and not as effective as he was for 3/4 of the year our second best player was putting in a very poor performance during the most important stretch of the season.
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As a guy who has been called a Wojo "apologist" on this board, I have to disagree with you.
The head coach is the CEO of the "corporation." When there is failure in the corporate structure, it is always at least partly on the CEO, and often more than just partly.
For it to come to our second and third best players being so upset with the situation that they felt their only recourse was to leave, that of course has something to do with the coach.
Amazing...how some people come around to the "other" side so quickly. The things I have heard today are just verifying what i had sensed towards the end of the year this year...I said it was deeper than Markus's injury(it was) like so many tried to blame..I even speculated if there were some internal problems and wondered if everyone was getting along(they weren't). I also said the fact Wojo didn't fix the problems that caused the slide were a HUGE problem(turns out they were). There was a reason I was calling so loud for his firing...no, I didn't see this coming, but I had sensed there were issues beyond on the court results(or lack there of). I also said "Better a year too soon, then a year too late".
Maybe some of you now realize firing Wojo would have been a good option. I'll tell ya what, had that happened, the Hausers very well may still be here. I'm not crowing about this at all...I'm as pissed off as I have ever been with the state of the program right now. I'm pissed off because it likely all could have been prevented. And Bill Scholl will be getting an email from me, for whatever that's worth.
How ironic, that today of all days, I receive season ticket info for next year in the mail. Terrible timing on MU's part.
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I know theres another thread,but I just got word it will be Wisconsin,Virginia ,or West Virginia for their transfer
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I've been misinformed on that someone was playing with me but I will find out
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As a guy who has been called a Wojo "apologist" on this board, I have to disagree with you.
The head coach is the CEO of the "corporation." When there is failure in the corporate structure, it is always at least partly on the CEO, and often more than just partly.
For it to come to our second and third best players being so upset with the situation that they felt their only recourse was to leave, that of course has something to do with the coach.
Absolutely agree "The Buck Stops Here" except when the NCAA is involved.
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Amazing...how some people come around to the "other" side so quickly.
Maybe some of you now realize firing Wojo would have been a good option. I'll tell ya what, had that happened, the Hausers very well may still be here. I'm not crowing about this at all.And Bill Scholl will be getting an email from me, for whatever that's worth.
I didn't "come around" to any side at all. My feelings on the situation were dictated by the facts. You might like to embrace facts every once in awhile.
I don't realize firing Wojo would have been a good option. There isn't a program in America that would have fired its coach after this season. And you have absolutely no proof that would have solved any of this. None.
You are crowing about it, and you have been all day. Just because you say you're pissed doesn't mean you aren't crowing. You're always pissed. Except when we were winning 20 out of 22 games during the heart of the season; then you were silent.
I'm sure Scholl is quaking in his boots at the prospect of your email. Make sure to issue some ultimatums in it. That'll really get him. Tell him how competitive you are, too. He needs to know that you are the best Marquette fan in the world.
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I didn't "come around" to any side at all. My feelings on the situation were dictated by the facts. You might like to embrace facts every once in awhile.
I don't realize firing Wojo would have been a good option. There isn't a program in America that would have fired its coach after this season. And you have absolutely no proof that would have solved any of this. None.
You are crowing about it, and you have been all day. Just because you say you're pissed doesn't mean you aren't crowing. You're always pissed. Except when we were winning 20 out of 22 games during the heart of the season; then you were silent.
I'm sure Scholl is quaking in his boots at the prospect of your email. Make sure to issue some ultimatums in it. That'll really get him. Tell him how competitive you are, too. He needs to know that you are the best Marquette fan in the world.
How's your boy Wojo's trajectory looking now??
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This is a huge gamble for the Hauser boys. I really hope they've got a firm plan and they've been given good advice. The grass isn't always greener on the other campus. In fact, I think it's more likely they fade into obscurity than become all-Americans & draft picks. Of course, if life is that awful at MU, it doesn't matter.
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I don't think its a gamble on their part at all. Pretty sure they know exactly where they're headed and have done their due diligence. They seem to be "team" players. No better landing spot for that than UVA. Connections exist between the Bennetts and SPASH.
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Amazing...how some people come around to the "other" side so quickly. The things I have heard today are just verifying what i had sensed towards the end of the year this year...I said it was deeper than Markus's injury(it was) like so many tried to blame..I even speculated if there were some internal problems and wondered if everyone was getting along(they weren't). I also said the fact Wojo didn't fix the problems that caused the slide were a HUGE problem(turns out they were). There was a reason I was calling so loud for his firing...no, I didn't see this coming, but I had sensed there were issues beyond on the court results(or lack there of). I also said "Better a year too soon, then a year too late".
Maybe some of you now realize firing Wojo would have been a good option. I'll tell ya what, had that happened, the Hausers very well may still be here. I'm not crowing about this at all...I'm as pissed off as I have ever been with the state of the program right now. I'm pissed off because it likely all could have been prevented. And Bill Scholl will be getting an email from me, for whatever that's worth.
How ironic, that today of all days, I receive season ticket info for next year in the mail. Terrible timing on MU's part.
Like chico’s told me after we lost to Murray State. “Let MU know right now how upset you are and don’t renew your season tickets.”
Done. Will not renew until Wojo is gone. Money talks, and bullsh*t walks.
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Joey a point forward
Hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I’ve heard it all now.
Heck, while Sam may be capable. We seemed to go to Sacar more for that in desperate times
and he sure as hell couldn't play underneath with the big dogs. when dg can out jump ya, ya have more than white man's disease. he got a long long leash from wojo so this wouldn't happen. while jamaal couldn't make a bad pass in warm-ups for fear of losing pt. surprised no one has mentioned their close knit family unit yet. wonder what daddy thinks of this ::)
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I don't think its a gamble on their part at all. Pretty sure they know exactly where they're headed and have done their due diligence. They seem to be "team" players. No better landing spot for that than UVA. Connections exist between the Bennetts and SPASH.
Too many here simply don't want to make the connection that the Hausers are walking because they no longer have faith in Wojo.
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Too many here simply don't want to make the connection that the Hausers are walking because they no longer have faith in Wojo.
Or vice versa. The Hausers are complimentary players - very good ones, but still complementary players. Unless you are Larry Bird-like, you still need athleticism to be a star.
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How many games did Joey have sit early because of foul trouble?
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Too many here simply don't want to make the connection that the Hausers are walking because they no longer have faith in Wojo.
That sounds great, but what exactly does that mean? No longer have faith in Wojo for what? What were the anticipated consequences they would have suffered had they stayed?
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Too many here simply don't want to make the connection that the Hausers are walking because they no longer have faith in Wojo.
I personally prefer the players don’t make the team decesions. The coach does.
Did I miss when the Hausers took over games and carried us at the end of the year? If I remember correctly they turned the ball over and missed shots just like Markus.
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I personally prefer the players don’t make the team decesions. The coach does.
Did I miss when the Hauser’s took over games and carried us at the end of the year? If I remember correctly they turned the ball over and missed shots just like Markus.
Yah, both had a lot of opportunities in those 6 games to post up. But, TOs and missed shots. Guess they forgot about those.
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That sounds great, but what exactly does that mean? No longer have faith in Wojo for what? What were the anticipated consequences they would have suffered had they stayed?
That they didn't think Wojo was a good enough Coach to lead them to where the preseason expectations said they should go. And that the 1-6 slide had everything to do with Wojo knowing what the problem was and not fixing it like he said he would.
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What is everybody's opinion on how good Koby is going to be,reports from practice? I remember hearing Bill Raftery saying more then once,how good he believes Bailey is going to be
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End of day.......Program will move on, we will still be pretty good, what were they thinking, big mistake and they will regret it, it’s going to be a long offseason. Ok ok ok. All these things are true. But something else is true. No matter how you twist it this is an awful look for Wojo and MU basketball. IMO this can not be disputed.
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I personally prefer the players don’t make the team decesions. The coach does.
Did I miss when the Hausers took over games and carried us at the end of the year? If I remember correctly they turned the ball over and missed shots just like Markus.
Sam was much better than Markus in those games.
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That sounds great, but what exactly does that mean? No longer have faith in Wojo for what? What were the anticipated consequences they would have suffered had they stayed?
Faith that the program was going to have March success under Wojo. Faith that next year wasn't going to be a redux of the final seven games. Faith that next year was going to be more than just the Markus Howard show.
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What i heard is that the hausers transferred. We move on, get better, and move past it.
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Sam was much better than Markus in those games.
Like when he turned the ball over on the first four possessions of the game to clinch the Big East?
Literally each of the first four possessions.
How can you complain about Markus’ long leash when the Hausers also we’re given a long leash?
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People can blame Markus n Wojo all they want and im not gonna sit here n say they are not without fault. However, Sam and Joey were the poster boys of most of the complaints of our team this year, slow unathletic, couldnt guard, turnovers etc. the reason we lose to st johns etc is much about the Hauser boys. Very unathletic for the BE. I think we will miss Sam for his senior year but we were arguably better without Joey last year and a top 100 athletic forward from now anf Joey is long forgotten even a decent grad transfer PF
We lost a very good player for 1 year in my book, thats about it
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What i heard is that the hausers transferred. We move on, get better, and move past it.
How many years without a tourney win before Wojo has to go?
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End of day.......Program will move on, we will still be pretty good, what were they thinking, big mistake and they will regret it, it’s going to be a long offseason. Ok ok ok. All these things are true. But something else is true. No matter how you twist it this is an awful look for Wojo and MU basketball. IMO this can not be disputed.
+1 their talent will be replaced hopefully as soon as next year with the development of players on the current roster and/or adding additional players...but today was an embarrassing day for MUBB and Wojo. It really shows he doesn’t have much control in these situations.
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Faith that the program was going to have March success under Wojo. Faith that next year wasn't going to be a redux of the final seven games. Faith that next year was going to be more than just the Markus Howard show.
How are you so sure they gave a crap about team accomplishments? Koby and Greg were coming to take some of the ball handling duties off Markus yet they still left. It wasn’t about team success, it was about their careers.
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Sam was much better than Markus in those games.
Not really
And Joey didnt belong on the court. Was it Seton Hall where Joey lireally handed them the ball on like 6 Straight plays?
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Not really
And Joey didnt belong on the court. Was it Seton Hall where Joey lireally handed them the ball on like 6 Straight plays?
First four possessions to start the game and wasn’t removed. Almost like he too had a long leash. Hmmmm.
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Like when he turned the ball over on the first four possessions of the game to clinch the Big East?
Literally each of the first four possessions.
How can you complain about Markus’ long leash when the Hausers also we’re given a long leash?
Instead of talking about "long leashes" or a few turnovers look at the facts. Markus's usage was off the charts high in our swoon and his Ortg sucked. Sam was much better overall and light year's better if you throw out Creighton.
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Instead of talking about "long leashes" or a few turnovers look at the facts. Markus's usage was off the charts high in our swoon and his Ortg sucked. Sam was much better overall and light year's better if you throw out Creighton.
Umm not really
Markus sucked down the stretch but Sam was right next to him and Joey was an absolute s#it show
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Instead of talking about "long leashes" or a few turnovers look at the facts. Markus's usage was off the charts high in our swoon and his Ortg sucked. Sam was much better overall and light year's better if you throw out Creighton.
I must have missed when Sam was carrying us down the stretch?
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Not really
And Joey didnt belong on the court. Was it Seton Hall where Joey lireally handed them the ball on like 6 Straight plays?
That was Creighton
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How are you so sure they gave a crap about team accomplishments? Koby and Greg were coming to take some of the ball handling duties off Markus yet they still left. It wasn’t about team success, it was about their careers.
Its interesting to me that you seem to want to pin this on Joey and believe the team is happy to see them go.
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How are you so sure they gave a crap about team accomplishments? Koby and Greg were coming to take some of the ball handling duties off Markus yet they still left. It wasn’t about team success, it was about their careers.
Honestly, take a step back. We watched Sam Hauser for three years. In that time, did you ever get the impression that he was anything but a team guy?
Hell, most here during his tenure wished he was more selfish. And, when he was limping around in the NIT games last year, was he doing that for his own benefit?
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I must have missed when Sam was carrying us down the stretch?
I must have missed when he was given the opportunity to do so.
I know we will miss two guys who shot over 40% from 3 and rebounded well for their position.
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Honestly, take a step back. We watched Sam Hauser for three years. In that time, did you ever get the impression that he was anything but a team guy?
Hell, most here during his tenure wished he was more selfish. And, when he was limping around in the NIT games last year, was he doing that for his own benefit?
Not sure why everything has to be such an either or. He can be a great guy, team player, unselfish, wants his team to be successful, etc., and still feel his best chance to make the NBA is by going somewhere else.
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Not sure why everything has to be such an either or. He can be a great guy, team player, unselfish, wants his team to be successful, etc., and still feel his best chance to make the NBA is by going somewhere else.
Why are you assuming that the transfer out is about his NBA chances?
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Why are you assuming that the transfer out is about his NBA chances?
Because I am. I know that sounds dumb, but Quite frankly it’s what it should be about IMO. May not get there, but both should at least have the aspirations, and I assume they do.
That said, the way the roster was set up for next year, they’re probably doing the right thing. I firmly believe both would’ve seen reduced minutes and rolls.
There doesn’t necessarily need to be a villain(s) in this. Has anyone considered the possibility that Wojo and Hauser family discussed as adults and they made the decision they thought was best?
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I must have missed when Sam was carrying us down the stretch?
Final 7 games ORtg averages:
Sam : 108.3
Markus: 94.6
Joey: 93.0
Not only was Markus awful, he had an unbelievably high usage rate (41%). IOW, the worse he sucked the more he chucked. And the team collapsed.
Sorry if the numbers don't jibe with your (or Sandy's) recollection but there they are.
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Because I am. I know that sounds dumb, but Quite frankly it’s what it should be about IMO. May not get there, but both should at least have the aspirations, and I assume they do.
That said, the way the roster was set up for next year, they’re probably doing the right thing. I firmly believe both would’ve seen reduced minutes and rolls.
There doesn’t necessarily need to be a villain(s) in this. Has anyone considered the possibility that Wojo and Hauser family discussed as adults and they made the decision they thought was best?
Who has the hashtag #LeagueMe? Not Joey or Sam. Markus does. Dude he dominated the ball, not what anyone signed up for and Wojo is OK with it. Look at his offenses over the years; Carlino dominated the ball, Ellenson, Rowsey...that was out of necessity. This team was balanced. But Wojo let Markus go for broke and it broke. Good or bad.
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let me start with the guys he's not going to guard
1. Ja Morant
2. ...
I can see Joey guarding Ja Morant.
After all, I saw it live & continue to see it on highlight reels every week.
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Because I am. I know that sounds dumb, but Quite frankly it’s what it should be about IMO. May not get there, but both should at least have the aspirations, and I assume they do.
That said, the way the roster was set up for next year, they’re probably doing the right thing. I firmly believe both would’ve seen reduced minutes and rolls.
There doesn’t necessarily need to be a villain(s) in this. Has anyone considered the possibility that Wojo and Hauser family discussed as adults and they made the decision they thought was best?
There's no way Sam's role was going to be diminished. He had a legit shot at being a first team all Big East pre-season selection. He was going to play 30+ minutes a night.
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What I heard...
It may not be over yet. More dominos may fall.
Take it for what it’s worth
-bad reporter
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There's no way Sam's role was going to be diminished. He had a legit shot at being a first team all Big East pre-season selection. He was going to play 30+ minutes a night.
They were both going to play 30 plus.
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There's no way Sam's role was going to be diminished. He had a legit shot at being a first team all Big East pre-season selection. He was going to play 30+ minutes a night.
Well, that’s what he played this year. You honestly believe with McEwen and Elliott coming in, and the way Bailey played late in the year that his minutes weren’t going to decrease? The math just doesn’t work. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. I love both of them (remember I’m the one arguing that they are NBA prospects), but those more athletic guys were going to be on the floor. You can only play 5 guys at a time.
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They were both going to play 30 plus.
I know. But, hey, whatever makes you feel better about the Hausers leaving.
I'm sure Sam was fearful about losing minutes to Bailey. It's silly.
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What I heard...
It may not be over yet. More dominos may fall.
Take it for what it’s worth
-bad reporter
What I heard from my daughter (she is a student) is the student basketball managers have been talking for at least a month that this was possible. One more could transfer. Not everyone on the team is upset at what transpired today, despite a general liking of the Hauser brothers.
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Well, that’s what he played this year. You honestly believe with McEwen and Elliott coming in, and the way Bailey played late in the year that his minutes weren’t going to decrease? The math just doesn’t work. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. I love both of them (remember I’m the one arguing that they are NBA prospects), but those more athletic guys were going to be on the floor. You can only play 5 guys at a time.
Yup. I have a sneaking suspicion that it had become clear that the starting line up next year was going to be Koby, Markus, Sacar, Sam, and Theo. Bailey got better down the stretch, particularly defensively.
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Well, that’s what he played this year. You honestly believe with McEwen and Elliott coming in, and the way Bailey played late in the year that his minutes weren’t going to decrease? The math just doesn’t work. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. I love both of them (remember I’m the one arguing that they are NBA prospects), but those more athletic guys were going to be on the floor. You can only play 5 guys at a time.
On Sam, no chance.
I agree that Joey could have been pushed, but I figured this off-season would have been his chance to add much needed strength.
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What I heard from my daughter (she is a student) is the student basketball managers have been talking for at least a month that this was possible. One more could transfer. Not everyone on the team is upset at what transpired today, despite a general liking of the Hauser brothers.
Any further details you would care to provide?
Especially with regards to who was not upset
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On Sam, no chance.
I agree that Joey could have been pushed, but I figured this off-season would have been his chance to add much needed strength.
Still only 200 available minutes. Where were McEwen and Elliott’s minutes gonna come from? Both will play a lot. How were they going to impact the offense? How about on defense? They were looking at a much deeper rotation next year. Would’ve looked to play a little different and those minutes have to come from somewhere.
For that reason, i was surprised nobody like Cain, Bailey etc. had decided to transfer. No I guess we know why.
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It’s not about minutes. It’s about role.
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Any further details you would care to provide?
Especially with regards to who was not upset
Markus?
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On Sam, no chance.
I agree that Joey could have been pushed, but I figured this off-season would have been his chance to add much needed strength.
And was he going to add quickness like Henry Ellenson?
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Still only 200 available minutes. Where were McEwen and Elliott’s minutes gonna come from? Both will play a lot. How were they going to impact the offense? How about on defense? They were looking at a much deeper rotation next year. Would’ve looked to play a little different and those minutes have to come from somewhere.
For that reason, i was surprised nobody like Cain, Bailey etc. had decided to transfer. No I guess we know why.
I'm not convinced that both McEwen and Elliott were going to play big minutes prior to the Hausers leaving.
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I’ll say I heard it maybe a guy who is supposed to be taking Joeys minutes this year. You can figure it out from there
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I’ll say I heard it maybe a guy who is supposed to be taking Joeys minutes this year. You can figure it out from there
Anim (who has always been a prime candidate for a grad transfer)
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I'm not convinced that both McEwen and Elliott were going to play big minutes prior to the Hausers leaving.
That would probably explain why we see this differently. I’m pretty certain one of the Hausers was gonna lose their spot in the starting lineup to Mcewen. Both those guys give them the ability to play faster and attack the basket more. Neither of which terribly conducive to the Hausers.
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I’ll say I heard it maybe a guy who is supposed to be taking Joeys minutes this year. You can figure it out from there
I believe Bailey has been mentioned in another thread.
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Anim (who has always been a prime candidate for a grad transfer)
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I can see Joey guarding Ja Morant.
After all, I saw it live & continue to see it on highlight reels every week.
Joey will be seeing it in his sleep for years
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Joey will be seeing it in his sleep for years
Yeah it was pretty bad. Ja really served him up a nut salad.
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I believe Bailey has been mentioned in another thread.
He will be 40 when it's all said and done.
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What I heard...
It may not be over yet. More dominos may fall.
Take it for what it’s worth
-bad reporter
Given that I saw almost this exact same thing in a different thread hours and hours ago, you really are a bad reporter.
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Given that I saw almost this exact same thing in a different thread hours and hours ago, you really are a bad reporter.
To be clear, I did mention this about Bailey mid day yesterday. The source was posted on a Marquette student Instagram page who stated he had “heard they are not the only ones”
When asked to clarify, his comment was something to the extent of “I heard Bailey also”.
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To be clear, I did mention this about Bailey mid day yesterday. The source was posted on a Marquette student Instagram page who stated he had “heard they are not the only ones”
When asked to clarify, his comment was something to the extent of “I heard Bailey also”.
So if BB transfers and sits out another year, he'll be what, 34 by his senior year? Given the run he got as a young, first year, freshman rookie, I see BB staying around.
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To be clear, I did mention this about Bailey mid day yesterday. The source was posted on a Marquette student Instagram page who stated he had “heard they are not the only ones”
When asked to clarify, his comment was something to the extent of “I heard Bailey also”.
We'll call you "good reporter" then!
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And the person I spoke to said they love Markus, but do not like the pick and roll style of play Wojo coaches. Not enough movement in the offense. They both feel like they can be point forwards and run the offense. On a side note, my opinion, both the Hausers play the same position. It's going to be hard at a high major to see them both starting.
I agree 100% with the bolded part.
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Any further details you would care to provide?
Especially with regards to who was not upset
Teams have cliques, Marquette is no different.