Buzz -Is he going to Texas A & M

[Galway Eagle]

Galway

Did you read my whole post? Of course I throw jabs, but try not to cross certain lines. If I crossed the with you, it was unintentional and apologies. Just curious, what do you think is untrue on the post you noted? There is a need for personal attacks on here?

I felt it was hypocritical to say there's no need for personal jabs when you have thrown them yourself, perhaps untrue was the wrong wording as you could be going off a do as I say not as I do. Yes you do insult less often than others. However I felt it warranted being called out that either you don't live up to your feelings about personal jabs, or were portraying yourself above the fray.

[Goose]

Galway

There are degrees of personal jabs and personal attacks, and maybe I should have used the word attack. Towel has attacked Rick Majerus, a very good family friend, and Dick Strong, a very good friend of my sisters, and takes it too far.

Hey, I used the wrong word and that is on me. I jab and will continue to jab. Try not to throw personal attacks towards people I do not know.

[Heisenberg]

Wrong, on all counts.  It was arguably a technical violation, which was the basis of the prosecutorial hook.  I think it was bs, but admit there was a chance of a violation if it reached an envious jury, and a NY judge would likely be less inclined to dismiss against some guy from Wisconsin. Fighting it would probably have destroyed the entire fund and as a result cost far more than 60m, so he salvaged what he could when Spitzer turned a level 1 into a 10.  There are a lot of other factors at play in these prosecutions that you have to consider, but your analysis to this point shows you won't.  Anyway, looks like Buzz is gone from VT.

Is there is no end to the rationalizations of criminal activity for you?

Hint, the funds were destroyed as was his reputation and career (remember that lifetime ban?)

Galway

There are degrees of personal jabs and personal attacks, and maybe I should have used the word attack. Towel has attacked Rick Majerus, a very good family friend, and Dick Strong, a very good friend of my sisters, and takes it too far.

Hey, I used the wrong word and that is on me. I jab and will continue to jab. Try not to throw personal attacks towards people I do not know.

Thank you for admitting that they are friends of yours and your opinion is colored.  Facts are they both did bad things and one is an outright criminal.

I'll keep this in mind when you riff in other threads about cheating coaches.  I guess I'll introduce them to one of your family members and then ... boom ... they become good guys and it's all technical violations and the prosecutor's fault, not that guy any of them broke any rules. 

[MUEng92]

Hey look, the thread that got deleted is slowly reappearing before our very eyes

[Goose]

MUeng

I am done with the thread.

[GOO]

Strong may not have been perfect, but he got taken advantage of a politically motivated attorney general who was basically holding him up for money.  All done through the media from NYC.  Strong, if he wanted to challenge, would have seen Strong Funds in the media for years and the outflows would have killed Strong Funds by the time the case was done through the courts.  He had no choice to but settle it and sell.  At least he came out with 500M or so.  Strong was put in a really bad position by a prosecutor that had motives beyond any criminal type of issues. He was not perfect.

MU needs a guy like Strong, and I'm not sure that we have anyone at his level who has stepped up financially. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've not heard of anyone. If the going rate for Wojo is 3.5 Million a year, we need someone like Strong to keep pace and pay the coach's salary or at least most of it.  Otherwise, MU will continue to lose successful or semi-successful coach's and we will be a stepping stone job (if we are not already; I had hopes that Wojo would be a guy that would stick around).  If Wojo in fact is offered 3.5 a year for 5 years, we better be ready to pay him or the next guy at least that much if not more.

I really have become turned off by college sports and the money. 

[4everwarriors]

Maybee Boone Pickens is lookin' four a program ta fund, hey?

[Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020]

Technical (maybe) violations of very intensive rules that Spitzer read like they had not been interpreted before because he was looking for a scalp. The NYT summary is about a 2nd grade understanding and the story is horribly biased and uninformed.  Beware of self righteous prosecutors selling their souls for higher office while literally buying the bodies of others to get their jollies.

This is correct.  What Strong et al were doing was not illegal, but they did not disclose to stakeholders that they were doing it.   That is how they got dinged.  Other funds doing the same thing (after-hours market-timing arbitrage) that had disclosed their practices were let off the hook becuase they were transparent about what they were doing.  Normally this sort of violation would have resulted in a slap on the wrist for String Funds but opportunistic Spitzer was out for blood. 

[MU82]

How 'bout Buzz going to TAMU, baby?

Nobody coulda seen that coming. Not Rick or Dick or anybody!

[Heisenberg]

Strong may not have been perfect, but he got taken advantage of a politically motivated attorney general who was basically holding him up for money.  All done through the media from NYC.  Strong, if he wanted to challenge, would have seen Strong Funds in the media for years and the outflows would have killed Strong Funds by the time the case was done through the courts.  He had no choice to but settle it and sell.  At least he came out with 500M or so.  Strong was put in a really bad position by a prosecutor that had motives beyond any criminal type of issues. He was not perfect.

MU needs a guy like Strong, and I'm not sure that we have anyone at his level who has stepped up financially. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've not heard of anyone. If the going rate for Wojo is 3.5 Million a year, we need someone like Strong to keep pace and pay the coach's salary or at least most of it. Otherwise, MU will continue to lose successful or semi-successful coach's and we will be a stepping stone job (if we are not already; I had hopes that Wojo would be a guy that would stick around).  If Wojo in fact is offered 3.5 a year for 5 years, we better be ready to pay him or the next guy at least that much if not more.

I really have become turned off by college sports and the money.

Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein

Money is not the problem

[McLintock]

Strong may not have been perfect, but he got taken advantage of a politically motivated attorney general who was basically holding him up for money.  All done through the media from NYC.  Strong, if he wanted to challenge, would have seen Strong Funds in the media for years and the outflows would have killed Strong Funds by the time the case was done through the courts.  He had no choice to but settle it and sell.  At least he came out with 500M or so.  Strong was put in a really bad position by a prosecutor that had motives beyond any criminal type of issues. He was not perfect.

MU needs a guy like Strong, and I'm not sure that we have anyone at his level who has stepped up financially. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I've not heard of anyone. If the going rate for Wojo is 3.5 Million a year, we need someone like Strong to keep pace and pay the coach's salary or at least most of it.  Otherwise, MU will continue to lose successful or semi-successful coach's and we will be a stepping stone job (if we are not already; I had hopes that Wojo would be a guy that would stick around).  If Wojo in fact is offered 3.5 a year for 5 years, we better be ready to pay him or the next guy at least that much if not more.

I really have become turned off by college sports and the money.

It took way too long but we finally have a post that properly captures the gist of the situation.  Strong was basically hit with 12 years in prison for dropping a candy wrapper on the street while jaywalking.  If Strong was a large, well connected, east coast, old money asset manager, it's a non-issue.

[Blackhat]

It was that POS Elliot Spitzer right?   Justice system needs to be tweaked so you can't just bankrupt a guy with an accusation.

[StillAWarrior]

Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein

Money is not the problem

Maybe Rocky and Topper could donate some of their sweet, sweet 'Scoop cash to support the program.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein

Money is not the problem

No Heise mention?

[Goose]

Towel

Pretty funny that you mentioned Charlie Besser.

[4everwarriors]

Still married to Noreen?

[Heisenberg]

No Heise mention?

Maybe I did?

Towel

Pretty funny that you mentioned Charlie Besser.

Why not? Besser has a ton of money.  Not all of it is directed to Duke (his son Brendon was a walk-on for Duke and Allen Grayson interned for inter-media and spent the summer at his house in Chicago.)

Besser has been close to Coach K for many years.  I think Besser was the "man behind the screen" that got Wojo to MU.

Still married to Noreen?

Divorced many many years ago.

[wadesworld]

Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein

Money is not the problem

Jesse D AKA MUpilot.

Heard he's a very charitable entrepreneur living in Fox Point.

[Bad_Reporter]

Jesse D AKA MUpilot.

Heard he's a very charitable entrepreneur living in Fox Point.

Agree, throw my name up there, along with crash.

[wadesworld]

Agree, throw my name up there, along with crash.

Crash hasn't spoken to how charitable he is or if he lives in a wealthy part of Seattle, so I can't speak to that.  But I do know he can lift a lot of weights so that's cool.

[GOO]

Bill Stone
Charles Besser
Marcus Lemonis
John Ferraro
Richard Uihlein

Money is not the problem

Good to hear. I hope they are as open with their check books in support of the program as Strong was... because with the way head coach prices are going, unless we want a bargain coach, the program is going to need some of their cash 

[brewcity77]

For anyone waiting on a more "official" name to confirm Buzz to A&M is happening...

Most people close to Buzz Williams anticipate he will wrap things up with Texas A&M prior to this weekend (Thursday is the day I've been told). But with Buzz, honestly, you never know.

[Goose]

Teams like to announce big name hires during FF weekend. Buzz will get a lot of air time as the new A&M coach this weekend.

[cheebs09]

Teams like to announce big name hires during FF weekend. Buzz will get a lot of air time as the new A&M coach this weekend.

He's making sure he's got his A&M lapel pin for CBS before announcing.

[BrewCity83]

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