2019 Coaching Carousel

[The Sultan]

Belein's accomplishments as a coach are better than 99% of the coaches out there.

[shoothoops]

I think Beilein was a very good college coach.    I think he had a couple of great runs that he should be proud of and that I am jealous of.   But it cannot be argued that Michigan is a blue blood in basketball or that Beilein had an overall record that was truly awesome.   

In his final 7 seasons at Michigan, Beilein won 18 NCAA games, matched by only a handful of coaches in the game, (K, Cal, Roy) In those 7 seasons, Michigan had two Championship game appearances, an elite 8, two Sweet 16's. He won the league twice, but not in those 7 seasons. People are seeing and remembering 3 very deep NCAA runs, as well as the 2nd weekend a few other times, all within the last 7 seasons. Izzo had 15 NCAA wins in the same stretch. Winning in the NCAA tourney is often based on matchups, skill, health, luck, playing well at the time, all kinds of things, but ...winning in the NCAA's
matters.

People see a coach that came in and won at a high level where it hadn't been done at a place for a long time. He also played an attractive style of ball to many. And he was well liked by his peers, media, fans, etc...

[Herman Cain]

In his final 7 seasons at Michigan, Beilein won 18 NCAA games, matched by only a handful of coaches in the game, (K, Cal, Roy) In those 7 seasons, Michigan had two Championship game appearances, an elite 8, two Sweet 16's. He won the league twice, but not in those 7 seasons. People are seeing and remembering 3 very deep NCAA runs, as well as the 2nd weekend a few other times, all within the last 7 seasons. Izzo had 15 NCAA wins in the same stretch. Winning in the NCAA tourney is often based on matchups, skill, health, luck, playing well at the time, all kinds of things, but ...winning in the NCAA's
matters.

People see a coach that came in and won at a high level where it hadn't been done at a place for a long time. He also played an attractive style of ball to many. And he was well liked by his peers, media, fans, etc...

In addition he won at every single level he coached at . 754 career wins.

[The Sultan]

Also, in one of those championship game appearances, the opponent had to vacate the championship.

[Billy Hoyle]

In addition he won at every single level he coached at . 754 career wins.

almost certainly the only coach to coach in HS, JUCO, D3, D2, D1 and now the NBA. A true testament to his abilities.

[Billy Hoyle]

In his final 7 seasons at Michigan, Beilein won 18 NCAA games, matched by only a handful of coaches in the game, (K, Cal, Roy) In those 7 seasons, Michigan had two Championship game appearances, an elite 8, two Sweet 16's. He won the league twice, but not in those 7 seasons. People are seeing and remembering 3 very deep NCAA runs, as well as the 2nd weekend a few other times, all within the last 7 seasons. Izzo had 15 NCAA wins in the same stretch. Winning in the NCAA tourney is often based on matchups, skill, health, luck, playing well at the time, all kinds of things, but ...winning in the NCAA's
matters.

People see a coach that came in and won at a high level where it hadn't been done at a place for a long time. He also played an attractive style of ball to many. And he was well liked by his peers, media, fans, etc...

I have no idea whar you are trying to say here. Michigan won the regular season crown in 2014 and tourney in 2017 and 2018, the final seven seasons of his tenure in Ann Arbor (the 2012 title was the year before the seven season timeframe you established started).

[WhiteTrash]

People often lump Syracuse and Arizona in with the Blue bloods, Michigan has more final fours and runner ups than either of them. Not saying that they're a blue blood but just that I think if one was going to include AZ and SU they'd have to include UM.

Syracuse and Michigan both have 6 Final Fours. I don't think of either as Blue Bloods. Both very good programs.

[rocket surgeon]

Yea, but I did go to Harvard. So what's your point?

Is matriculating from Harvard the moral equivalent of working for, say, Columbia?

jonny pees MU blue n gold-note he went to havod AFTER he went to MU though eyn'a.  MU prep'd him well. if ya really get to know the man, these are the guys MU needs wearing our stuff out there

[Galway Eagle]

Syracuse and Michigan both have 6 Final Fours. I don't think of either as Blue Bloods. Both very good programs.

I was including the fab five ones.

[Dr. Blackheart]

jonny pees MU blue n gold-note he went to havod AFTER he went to MU though eyn'a.  MU prep'd him well. if ya really get to know the man, these are the guys MU needs wearing our stuff out there

I received my doctorate in Behavioral Philosophy, Fine Arts, and Economics where I learned negotiations with a baseball bat, how to stretch your budget half way through a semester by selling back your parent bought books for student cash, and where I learned to master the art of glass shard mosaics. It is said you can take the boy out of the Lanche, but you cannot take the Lanche out of the boy. Sadly, some forget this lesson.

[shoothoops]

I have no idea whar you are trying to say here. Michigan won the regular season crown in 2014 and tourney in 2017 and 2018, the final seven seasons of his tenure in Ann Arbor (the 2012 title was the year before the seven season timeframe you established started).

I didn't mention the conference tourney results one way or another. He did win the league one of his two times within the 7 years. Winning the conference tournament has value as well. My mistake, which only improves the point thanks.

[Herman Cain]

Interesting research report on Jim Boeheim and his view to the coaching carousel. He mentions Wojo and Buzz.

Boeheims first season, 1976-77, was Al's last. That  really is quite a linkage .

https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2019/04/syracuse-coach-jim-boeheim-has-no-plans-to-retire-no-end-game-strategy.html

[MU82]

Wouldn't it be fun if at the next big national coaches conference they set up a carousel and the coaches got on it and rode around on all the ponies?

[Hards Alumni]

Wouldn't it be fun if at the next big national coaches conference they set up a carousel and the coaches got on it and rode around on all the ponies?

POTY

[Dr. Blackheart]

Wouldn't it be fun if at the next big national coaches conference they set up a carousel and the coaches got on it and rode around on all the ponies?

I prefer a Cake Walk.

[Herman Cain]

So will Mrs. Shaka approve of Ann Arbor?
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2019/5/16/18628116/shaka-smart-michigan-wolverines-coaching-search-texas-longhorns

[The Sultan]

So will Mrs. Shaka approve of Ann Arbor?
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2019/5/16/18628116/shaka-smart-michigan-wolverines-coaching-search-texas-longhorns

Dude keeps falling up for some reason.

[MU82]

Dude keeps falling up for some reason.

Yep. One more underwhelming season and he'll replace Stevens with the Celtics.

[avid1010]

Dude keeps falling up for some reason.

When was the last time he fell up?

[The Sultan]

When was the last time he fell up?

When he went to Texas.  Sorry I'm just not impressed by the guy.  He's lived off the final four run and his style of play that is supposed to be "exciting," but he really didn't perform up to his reputation toward the end of his VCU tenure, and certainly not at Texas.

[Galway Eagle]

When he went to Texas.  Sorry I'm just not impressed by the guy.  He's lived off the final four run and his style of play that is supposed to be "exciting," but he really didn't perform up to his reputation toward the end of his VCU tenure, and certainly not at Texas.

Didn't some rule changes after 2011 or 2012 make his defense a lot less effective? I thought I read that awhile back

[brewcity77]

When he went to Texas.  Sorry I'm just not impressed by the guy.  He's lived off the final four run and his style of play that is supposed to be "exciting," but he really didn't perform up to his reputation toward the end of his VCU tenure, and certainly not at Texas.

When we looked at Shaka, he was coming off two 5-seeds & had won NCAA games in 3 of the previous 4 seasons, including a Final Four. He certainly had earned a bigger opportunity, so I think that move up was one he deserved. But getting another comparable or bigger job now when he's probably on the hot seat next year? That would be falling up. His tenure at Texas hasn't been very inspired. Slower pace than he ever played at VCU, and while the defense has been good, the results have been mediocre at best.

[avid1010]

When we looked at Shaka, he was coming off two 5-seeds & had won NCAA games in 3 of the previous 4 seasons, including a Final Four. He certainly had earned a bigger opportunity, so I think that move up was one he deserved. But getting another comparable or bigger job now when he's probably on the hot seat next year? That would be falling up. His tenure at Texas hasn't been very inspired. Slower pace than he ever played at VCU, and while the defense has been good, the results have been mediocre at best.

Agreed...on his work at Texas...though I wouldn't write him off.

Also agree that his work at VCU was enough to get him the MU or Texas job...MU nation was thrilled when we thought we had landed him. 

[muguru]

When we looked at Shaka, he was coming off two 5-seeds & had won NCAA games in 3 of the previous 4 seasons, including a Final Four. He certainly had earned a bigger opportunity, so I think that move up was one he deserved. But getting another comparable or bigger job now when he's probably on the hot seat next year? That would be falling up. His tenure at Texas hasn't been very inspired. Slower pace than he ever played at VCU, and while the defense has been good, the results have been mediocre at best.

Uh oh...there's that word.

[brewcity77]

Agreed...on his work at Texas...though I wouldn't write him off.

Also agree that his work at VCU was enough to get him the MU or Texas job...MU nation was thrilled when we thought we had landed him.

I certainly was. I still think he may have done better here than at Texas. But what felt like a big miss at the time doesn't feel that way anymore after seeing his Texas tenure.