Buzz Era Trouble

[jesmu84]

Lots of talk about problems during the Buzz era. 

So who/what were the problems?

This is what I remember ...

* Vander getting into a fight at Quiznos at 2AM
* Half the team busted for going into a bar when they were under 21
* Todd Mayo and the many members of the suspended for a half a West Virginia. Had to play 20 minutes with only five players. (forgot why)

And the biggie ...

* Haloween party in Humphreys circa 2011 when a girl (name never disclosed) saying she was sexually assaulted by a player(s).  Don't remember the details but I remember it being detailed here many years ago.

Please correct and add above.

Question, if above is correct, was it Vander and Mayo (aka "toddler") that were the problems?  Or were their others? If so, remember the fear was the Jucos were going to be problems.  Vander and Mayo were not Jucos.  I don't remember problems with the Jucos (DJO, Dwight B, Butler, Crowder, Fulce, etc.)

Oh how I wish Ners were here to refute this again.

[real chili 83]

How bout we start a thread about ND football and the Fighting Rapists.

[Galway Eagle]

Oh how I wish Ners were here to refute this again.

was he banned again?

[mileskishnish72]

JFC

I always thought his middle initial was H.

[muguru]

Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).

[4everwarriors]

Wuz anywon called a beast, doe, hey?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).

I always really really liked Buzz, will always remember him fondly and was heartbroken when he left.  I think he was great for the program and a great fit.  Felt the same way about Kevin Oneill.
Hated that cöcksucker Crean.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[real chili 83]

ND sucks

[source?]

Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).

Cool. So it doesn't matter if the school is associated with sexual assault, battery, and generally poor behavior just so long as they pile up the wins. Good look for a faith based institution. Ignore list it is.

As for jucos, if memory serves me I think the problem was recruiting kids who weren't on track to graduate.

[DoctorV]

Cool. So it doesn't matter if the school is associated with sexual assault, battery, and generally poor behavior just so long as they pile up the wins. Good look for a faith based institution. Ignore list it is.

As for jucos, if memory serves me I think the problem was recruiting kids who weren't on track to graduate.

I've never understood the concept of ignoring everyone you disagree with.

What the hell type of a life is that??

Also the stuff about buzzes poop habits is pretty funny. What's the deal w the parking of the suv?

[source?]

I've never understood the concept of ignoring everyone you disagree with.

What the hell type of a life is that??

Also the stuff about buzzes poop habits is pretty funny. What's the deal w the parking of the suv?

Life's too short to waste time reading gurus garbage takes. Same reason I banned myself from Ners. That's the extent of my ignore list, and there are plenty of other posters I disagree with.

As to the SUV thing, supposedly old Buzz would pull up in front of the Al and make a manager park his car in the structure.

[TheTulsaWarrior]

I think the test of a coach's tenure is how he exits the program when he leaves.  McGuire, Raymonds, O'Neill and Crean left with tournament level talent for the next coach.  No probation, no legacy of front page negative publicity and no snarky comments.

[Bad_Reporter]

What comments did buzz make when he left?  Just curious

[Galway Eagle]

Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).

Difference between being a fan of a college program and being an alum. We all care about the whole concept of Marquette not just the basketball program.

You would be one of the people saying about Michigan state, penn state or Syracuse's cover ups "doesn't matter they won and that's what counts" but it does to those people who are represented by that program. Certainly does to the people who were harmed during it.

[Galway Eagle]

From senior in HS to my senior year I turned a blind eye and only focused on the on court results, sure we were on the front page of multiple media outlets constantly and dragged through the mud but on court is what mattered. Hindsight is 20/20 and it was easy to see he was not an individual I wanted running the program that is essentially the face of the university.

Essentially, Thankful for the on court success made my main four years at MU and senior year of HS a blast going to games. Hate him for dragging my alma mater through the mud.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I think the test of a coach's tenure is how he exits the program when he leaves.  McGuire, Raymonds, O'Neill and Crean left with tournament level talent for the next coach.  No probation, no legacy of front page negative publicity and no snarky comments.

I'm sorry but this is silly.  I am pretty sure no coach at MU has left the next guy with probation.   Also the program was in fine shape.  Every coach has to rebuild with their own players. Our coach took a strategy of the long rebuild, which is working now.  Other coaches do it differently.

If you didn't like the actions or tribune article, fine.  But don't make stuff up.

[Johnny B]

Medicare for all eh

[SERocks]

At the risk of taking this off topic, has Buzz had any of the same issues at VT?

[The Sultan]

Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).

That's not accurate.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/marquette-assistant-fired-buzz-williams-suspended-for-first-big-east-game/

And I'm sorry, but the off the court stuff matters just as much as the on court stuff.

[Bocephys]

And I'm sorry, but the off the court stuff matters just as much as the on court stuff.

Agreed, and it absolutely should.  I can't believe no one has posted the giant Chicago Tribune article yet.

[mu_hilltopper]

This is why we need a wiki page on this.

[Bocephys]

This is why we need a wiki page on this.

We should call it the squirmy page

[TheGym]

And I'm sorry, but the off the court stuff matters just as much as the on court stuff.

Absolutely, especially when the coach runs around preaching "Character Revealed".  Indeed, his character was revealed.

[The Sultan]

This is why we need a wiki page on this.

I'll build it out more later, but I added a section to the Buzz Williams page, including his departure to Virginia Tech.  The entire page is quite out of date and I don't have the time to deal with it now.

https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/buzz_williams