Buzz Era Trouble

[The Lens]

I'll build it out more later, but I added a section to the Buzz Williams page, including his departure to Virginia Tech.  The entire page is quite out of date and I don't have the time to deal with it now.

https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/buzz_williams

Departure for Virginia Tech

In March 2015, Buzz Williams decided to run away from his poorly constructed team and the legal and NCAA issues above, and took the head coaching job at Virginia Tech; a school with no basketball tradition whatsoever. Buzz never acknowledged that he was showing a lack of the kind of toughness that he preached during his coaching tenure at Marquette, leading many to believe that he was simply a fraud and an opportunist.

LOL

[mu-rara]

Ok, I get this is too soon ....

Can we discuss Oliver Lee's bad checks?  Tom Copa's driving skills?  Sam Worthen's "shopping" techniques?  Or are these too soon too?

Tony Davis, the elevator operator?
O. Lee and BT doing lot of weed?
Artie Green, Tosa Gas?

[4everwarriors]

LOL

"Fraud and opportunist" sounds a lot like a Crean description, aina?

[The Lens]

"Fraud and opportunist" sounds a lot like a Crean description, aina?

All the convictions, the NCAA penalties, the banners taken down, the wins vacated, the APR caused scholarship limits.  What a mess.  How did we ever survive?

[Dr. Blackheart]

During his tenure at Marquette, there were a number of issues that made some members of the Marquette community uncomfortable. Those included a one game violation and the dismissing of Scott Monarch due to Monarch lying to investigators about giving a prospect impermissible benefits.

As the story goes....A soon to be MU Chicago freshman (a few weeks) was up for a weekend to scrimmage with the team via the Amtrak and missed the train.  So, the coach drove him safely back to the Southside of Chicago. The coach allowed the soon to be enrolled SA to use/grab the practice gear already allocated to him. The ride and the gear were impermissible, a couple of weeks early.

Larry thought it best to hire outside council to investigate and study security films to go after Buzz as Pilarz wanted an out contractually on Buzz (in defense, Larry was doing his job but it was the overkill that was out of kilter to some).  Why Monarch lawyered up and denied what went down was plain stupid but that was the environment. Thus, Buzz got the suspension as he was the supervisor.

Professionally, it went downhill from there even faster from that point (and it was bad before that).  MU was lucky to be done with the lot of them. A bunch of so-called leaders behaving badly. 

[NickelDimer]

As the story goes....A soon to be MU Chicago freshman (a few weeks) was up for a weekend to scrimmage with the team via the Amtrak and missed the train.  So, the coach drove him safely back to the Southside of Chicago. The coach allowed the soon to be enrolled SA to use/grab the practice gear already allocated to him. The ride and the gear were impermissible, a couple of weeks early.

Larry thought it best to hire outside council to investigate and study security films to go after Buzz as Pilarz wanted an out contractually on Buzz (in defense, Larry was doing his job but it was the overkill that was out of kilter to some).  Why Monarch lawyered up and denied what went down was plain stupid but that was the environment. Thus, Buzz got the suspension as he was the supervisor.

Professionally, it went downhill from there even faster from that point (and it was bad before that).  MU was lucky to be done with the lot of them. A bunch of so-called leaders behaving badly.

Go ahead and update the wiki fluffy

[Lennys Tap]

As the story goes....A soon to be MU Chicago freshman (a few weeks) was up for a weekend to scrimmage with the team via the Amtrak and missed the train.  So, the coach drove him safely back to the Southside of Chicago. The coach allowed the soon to be enrolled SA to use/grab the practice gear already allocated to him. The ride and the gear were impermissible, a couple of weeks early.

Larry thought it best to hire outside council to investigate and study security films to go after Buzz as Pilarz wanted an out contractually on Buzz (in defense, Larry was doing his job but it was the overkill that was out of kilter to some).  Why Monarch lawyered up and denied what went down was plain stupid but that was the environment. Thus, Buzz got the suspension as he was the supervisor.

Professionally, it went downhill from there even faster from that point (and it was bad before that).  MU was lucky to be done with the lot of them. A bunch of so-called leaders behaving badly.

So the "character revealed" was that of Scott Pilarz and Larry Williams. Thank God they were fired but the well was poisoned. Who could blame a guy working under those conditions for wanting out?

[Dr. Blackheart]

So the "character revealed" was that of Scott Pilarz and Larry Williams. Thank God they were fired but the well was poisoned. Who could blame a guy working under those conditions for wanting out?

Well, while I too loved Buzz as a coach--and he does have a lot of good personal characteristics--he is also very flawed and wasn't without a lot of guilt.

[The Sultan]

So the "character revealed" was that of Scott Pilarz and Larry Williams. Thank God they were fired but the well was poisoned. Who could blame a guy working under those conditions for wanting out?

So the President and AD he doesn't like both are run out of town, to be replaced by a President he used to work for and a widely respected former AD, and he bolts.  I don't care if he "wanted out" or not, don't give me the BS that the "well was poisoned."  He did plenty of that himself.

[swoopem]

So the President and AD he doesn't like both are run out of town, to be replaced by a President he used to work for and a widely respected former AD, and he bolts.  I don't care if he "wanted out" or not, don't give me the BS that the "well was poisoned."  He did plenty of that himself.

Lenny defends Buzz to the same degree that Chico's defends Crean

[Cheeks]

Lenny defends Buzz to the same degree that Chico's defends Crean

The difference is that I have called Crean a jerk, an ahole, difficult guy to work for, poor against the zone, imbalanced recruiting classes, etc, etc.  I try to put some balance in there.  My "defense" has often been against ridiculous attacks.  At the end of the day, he brought us Wade, performed very well in Big East, delivered a Final Four, etc.  The Buzz lovers....yeah, he walks on water and there is no stopping them.

I find that to be a rather huge difference.  Notice I have stayed out of this thread except for this one post....plenty could be said, but I honestly don't get why this one was brought up.

Buzz is in a perfect situation, at a football school in the middle of basically nowhere, low expectations and not a lot of people overseeing every move.  At MU, basketball was the deal, and with it the scrutiny.  Buzz is a very good coach, which I have also said many times.

Crean, also in a perfect situation.  A rebuild, football school, in a hotbed of recruiting, he will do well first few years and then we'll see if he is able to figure it out.

[Jon]

I've never understood the concept of ignoring everyone you disagree with.


Also the stuff about buzzes poop habits is pretty funny. What's the deal w the parking of the suv?

There is a large segment of the population who lectures not listens. It's a
terrible, terrible burden to be so agonizingly precise, correct, and accurate.

As for Buzzard's issues with sh1t: those insights are gold nuggets into a deeply flawed man's soul.

But beyond Bert, examinations of excrement, dung dramas, fables of feculence, number two narratives, descriptions of defecation, manure myths, comedies of crap, BM bromides, corn-choked cliffhangars, epics of excretion, stool sagas, wistful tales of well-marbled waste, poop potboilers, details of discharge, fecal folktales, spiels of sh1t, diarrhea disclosures, parables of purging, colon confessions, facts of the floater, intestinal intentions, conversations of the constitutional, sphincter shenanigans, the deuce dialogues, clearing the corona, and anal absolutions have all earned their rightful place in the Story of Man - whether for humor or for horror there is no other human activity that has at once both repulsed and fascinated the mind of Man.

As for parking, Buzz had an aversion to having to actually park his own f@cking vehicle, especially when it was cold.

[mu_hilltopper]

[bilsu]

Here's the ONLY thing that mattered to me from the Buzz era...he won games, and lots of them. Had the program on the cusp of elite. Then Larry Williams happened, and Father Pilarsz happened, and that was the end of Buzz. It has always amazed me that so many hold grudges against Coaches for leaving, and after they are gone, seemingly the only thing that matters is how "slimy" the Coach may or may not have been. he NEVER EVER EVER cheated, and he won. Yet, this is a demonstration of what society has become. No one looks back and cares about what they should..how many games were won(and done within NCAA rules), they only care about the off the court stuff. Winning is what should and will always matter(as long as it's done within the rules of the NCAA).

I pretty much agree with this. I do not follow Virginia Tech that closely, but I have not heard anything bad about Virginia Tech, since Buzz has been there.
One of the problems with the so called rape was that MU was keeping it in house instead of reporting it. MU looked really bad when they were accused of sweeping it under the rug. Was that Buzz's fault? I am not sure. I do believe Buzz left, because he was pushed out.

[mu03eng]

During the Buzz era I was thrilled with the on court results but didn't feel great about the off court stuff.....now that I know more, I regret enjoy the on the court so much cause Bert probably should have been let go (and Pilarz/Larry were schmucks so I'm not on their side)

[Jon]

Pilarz

There are LOTS of whispers about Pilarz the Poet within the Georgetown Prep community.

He was sent back to Scranton because the prey was mostly at least 18...

[Dr. Blackheart]

The difference is that I have called Crean a jerk, an ahole, difficult guy to work for, poor against the zone, imbalanced recruiting classes, etc, etc.  I try to put some balance in there.  My "defense" has often been against ridiculous attacks.  At the end of the day, he brought us Wade, performed very well in Big East, delivered a Final Four, etc.  The Buzz lovers....yeah, he walks on water and there is no stopping them.

I find that to be a rather huge difference.  Notice I have stayed out of this thread except for this one post....plenty could be said, but I honestly don't get why this one was brought up.

Buzz is in a perfect situation, at a football school in the middle of basically nowhere, low expectations and not a lot of people overseeing every move.  At MU, basketball was the deal, and with it the scrutiny.  Buzz is a very good coach, which I have also said many times.

Crean, also in a perfect situation.  A rebuild, football school, in a hotbed of recruiting, he will do well first few years and then we'll see if he is able to figure it out.

P
+1. Also built up all sports, added the BC, Valley Fields, and The Al. Made the Blue & Gold Fund a viable fundraising vehicle, advanced Title IX.  Hired Wojo, Kieger  and Theis as a lame duck.

[Jon]

Crean's most selfless act, however, was also his most magnanimous: the massive donation he made to give the Marquette soccer program a home.

Crean is up there with the likes of Gates, Buffett, Tony Soprano, and Sammy Davis, Jr as a Man of Charity.

Though some may call him the Arrogant A$$hole of Athens others know him as "The Indigenous Benefactor " 

[The Lens]

When does the probation that we're on for all of Buzz's infractions end?

(I'm gonna party in the USA that day)

[Silkk the Shaka]

Crean's most selfless act, however, was also his most magnanimous: the massive donation he made to give the Marquette soccer program a home.

Crean is up there with the likes of Gates, Buffett, Tony Soprano, and Sammy Davis, Jr as a Man of Charity.

Though some may call him the Arrogant A$$hole of Athens others know him as "The Indigenous Benefactor "

Did he ever actually cut the check or are we still waiting on that?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

He cut the big fake golf tournamnt style check at the press conference.  As far as actually donating a dollar? Not one.

[GoldenWarrior11]

It will be very interesting to me to see if Buzz makes a move in a few weeks.  Texas A&M will undoubtedly open up, and it is not inconceivable to see if Texas opens up again.  VT, like MU, has provided all of the resources and support a head coach could ask for, but if you read between the lines, we have already read this book before. 

Buzz lost two assistants before the season began (Jeff Reynolds - A&M; Roccaforte - ECU).
He will be losing four of his starters: SR PG (J. Robinson), GS SR Wing (A. Hill) and SR F (C. Clark) to graduation, and SO (N. Walker-Alexander) to the NBA Draft (projected lottery pick). 
He has a large recruiting class coming in, with next year's team composed of mostly underclassmen. 

[The Scat]

It will be very interesting to me to see if Buzz makes a move in a few weeks.  Texas A&M will undoubtedly open up, and it is not inconceivable to see if Texas opens up again.  VT, like MU, has provided all of the resources and support a head coach could ask for, but if you read between the lines, we have already read this book before. 

Buzz lost two assistants before the season began (Jeff Reynolds - A&M; Roccaforte - ECU).
He will be losing four of his starters: SR PG (J. Robinson), GS SR Wing (A. Hill) and SR F (C. Clark) to graduation, and SO (N. Walker-Alexander) to the NBA Draft (projected lottery pick). 
He has a large recruiting class coming in, with next year's team composed of mostly underclassmen.

Nah, I think Buzz is going to go to UNO to make things right after abandoning the program in a time of need.

[The Scat]

Your name stinks you piece of sh1t!

Properly educated individuals can learn much by studying clues left by scat.

[jesmu84]

The difference is that I have called Crean a jerk, an ahole, difficult guy to work for, poor against the zone, imbalanced recruiting classes, etc, etc.  I try to put some balance in there.  My "defense" has often been against ridiculous attacks.  At the end of the day, he brought us Wade, performed very well in Big East, delivered a Final Four, etc.  The Buzz lovers....yeah, he walks on water and there is no stopping them.

I find that to be a rather huge difference.  Notice I have stayed out of this thread except for this one post....plenty could be said, but I honestly don't get why this one was brought up.

Buzz is in a perfect situation, at a football school in the middle of basically nowhere, low expectations and not a lot of people overseeing every move.  At MU, basketball was the deal, and with it the scrutiny.  Buzz is a very good coach, which I have also said many times.

Crean, also in a perfect situation.  A rebuild, football school, in a hotbed of recruiting, he will do well first few years and then we'll see if he is able to figure it out.

Any chance on you divulging the "other shoe" now?