TV Question?

[Benny B]

As long as Nova, GTown and MU stick together, everything will be all right. 

[Cheeks]

As long as Nova, GTown and MU stick together, everything will be all right.

More importantly, we need Jay Wright to still be the Nova coach.  Georgetown has been irrelevant in hoops for some time, they need to get it going.  We need the programs to be coming off highs going into that negotiating year.

[WarriorFan]

Lots of concern about the BEAST due to a down year, kinda like when MU loses a game it's supposed to win.  Long term, I'm confident in the BEAST.  In fact, with the increasing costs of football, I'd look for programs to be trying to get into the BEAST after turfing inconsequential football programs. 

Similarly, BEAST needs to be looking for one or two more high profile teams that fit the conference overall mould and objectives that will also improve competition and increase TV revenue.

There's one in South Bend that I'd still like to see in the Big East, and others that could work.

[The Lens]

Yeah idk about that one. They may have top academics but what's that matter. Their basketball program is a shell of itself and the attendance at games is pathetic. Nova is ahead of them in national recognition for sure

You have a lot more TV being watched by 55 years olds than 25 year olds.  It's why UCLA still rates well.

[dgies9156]

There are three prestige teams in the Big East -- us, Villanova and Georgetown. There's a couple more, St. John's and DePaul that could be based on their history and location. Both have been so bad for so long that they don't show up yet on the national radar.

Creighton, Xavier, Providence, Butler and Seton Hall are all good programs with some degree of success. However, I'm not convinced any of these has risen to the level of prestige yet. Creighton has drawn extremely well in Omaha and at times they have been good. But.....

That said, the TV deal in part depends on our conference staying relevant. DePaul, St. John's and maybe Providence becoming very relevant with national rankings certainly would help. But it's paramount that Villanova and Georgetown stay visible and very relevant. Another poster mentioned Jay Wright staying and I agree. Patrick Ewing at Georgetown certainly helped and it would be important if Wojo keeps us in the Top 25 and sticks around for another two or three decades.

Just help me out here, gang. When I'm in Florida, I want to see our beloved Warriors as if I was in Chicago -- or Milwaukee!

[CTWarrior]

Lots of concern about the BEAST due to a down year, kinda like when MU loses a game it's supposed to win.  Long term, I'm confident in the BEAST.  In fact, with the increasing costs of football, I'd look for programs to be trying to get into the BEAST after turfing inconsequential football programs. 

Similarly, BEAST needs to be looking for one or two more high profile teams that fit the conference overall mould and objectives that will also improve competition and increase TV revenue.

There's one in South Bend that I'd still like to see in the Big East, and others that could work.

The defections of our top coaches to football schools concerns me the most.  Particularly Xavier to Louisville and Butler to Ohio State.  What made the Big East in the first place was having Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino, and soon Calhoun and Carlesimo.  None of those guys thought there were better college jobs than where they were.  Long term quality coaches result in a stable, quality leagues, IMO.  Especially when you're not big state schools that have a large built-in fan base outside of just alumni.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Yes really, the national appeal of 3 of 4 of those teams is a fraction of the appeal from big state Universities.  I wish it wasn't the case but it is.  Nearly every Big Ten team is going to out draw Big East teams.  Same with Pac 12.

So you'd prefer to watch Rutgers @ Northwestern, or Illinois @ Nebraska, or Penn State @ Minnesota?

And the Pac12 comment is laughable.  The Pac 12 is awful this year, and has been pretty awful for awhile. The Pac12 has a shot at being a 1 bid league, and pretty much no shot at getting more than 2. The Pac12 also has a horrific TV deal that renders the majority of their games inaccessible for the majority of the United States. 

[Mr. Nielsen]

The PAC-12 TV numbers have been poor on the every network.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The defections of our top coaches to football schools concerns me the most.  Particularly Xavier to Louisville and Butler to Ohio State.  What made the Big East in the first place was having Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino, and soon Calhoun and Carlesimo.  None of those guys thought there were better college jobs than where they were.  Long term quality coaches result in a stable, quality leagues, IMO.  Especially when you're not big state schools that have a large built-in fan base outside of just alumni.

Agreed with all of this, though the Mack and Holtmann departures don't bother me that much. Sure it was disappointing but Lousiville is still a top 10 job and Ohio State is probably a top 15 job. Hard to blame either for jumping at those opportunities.

[The Lens]

So you'd prefer to watch Rutgers @ Northwestern, or Illinois @ Nebraska, or Penn State @ Minnesota?

And the Pac12 comment is laughable.  The Pac 12 is awful this year, and has been pretty awful for awhile. The Pac12 has a shot at being a 1 bid league, and pretty much no shot at getting more than 2. The Pac12 also has a horrific TV deal that renders the majority of their games inaccessible for the majority of the United States.

I don't think you understand the popularity disparity between a private school with less than 10,000 students and a flagship state school with 30,000+ students.  There's a reason there is a Big Ten Network.

[The Sultan]

The defections of our top coaches to football schools concerns me the most.  Particularly Xavier to Louisville and Butler to Ohio State.  What made the Big East in the first place was having Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino, and soon Calhoun and Carlesimo.  None of those guys thought there were better college jobs than where they were.  Long term quality coaches result in a stable, quality leagues, IMO.  Especially when you're not big state schools that have a large built-in fan base outside of just alumni.

Massamino went to UNLV.  It was a disaster.

[Disco Hippie]

Yeah idk about that one. They may have top academics but what's that matter. Their basketball program is a shell of itself and the attendance at games is pathetic. Nova is ahead of them in national recognition for sure

Fair enough but for exactly the reason you mention, GTOWN doesn't NEED to have a great basketball program to maintain their national relevance nor does it need the TV money anywhere near as much Marquette does.   At the end of the day they're still Georgetown University, one of the most prestigious institutions of Higher Learning in the United States if not the world, so I'm with Lens 100%!

Having a top 10 basketball program is far more beneficial to a school like Marquette.  I wish Marquette could afford to be less dependent on the success of it's men's basketball program, but to a large degree Coach Wojo and our players carry the weight of the university on their backs and will likely continue to for the foreseeable future.

[Johnny B]

Fair enough but for exactly the reason you mention, GTOWN doesn't NEED to have a great basketball program to maintain their national relevance nor does it need the TV money anywhere near as much Marquette does.   At the end of the day they're still Georgetown University, one of the most prestigious institutions of Higher Learning in the United States if not the world, so I'm with Lens 100%!

Having a top 10 basketball program is far more beneficial to a school like Marquette.  I wish Marquette could afford to be less dependent on the success of it's men's basketball program, but to a large degree Coach Wojo and our players carry the weight of the university on their backs and will likely continue to for the foreseeable future.

Do top tier recruits give a damn about academics when the plan Is to play pro ball anywhere? No they dont. Just thought I'd add that to my point..sure it's nice to have gtown and they will remain at the top academically but I dont know if that significantly does much for their baskethoops program

[CTWarrior]

Massamino went to UNLV.  It was a disaster.

I think Villanova was not disappointed to see Massimino go.  His last four years he was 67-61 (18-16, 18-15, 17-15 and 14-15.)  I think his leaving was similar to Buzz in a mutual let's go our separate ways thing.  But you are right, eventually he did think there was a better job.

[dgies9156]

Do top tier recruits give a damn about academics when the plan Is to play pro ball anywhere? No they dont. Just thought I'd add that to my point..sure it's nice to have gtown and they will remain at the top academically but I dont know if that significantly does much for their baskethoops program

Depends on what you mean by Top Tier.

If it's a one-and-done, Brother Johnny B, I absolutely agree with you.

If it is someone who might have a middle-of-the road NBA career and then something else, I would guess they probably do care about academics. Duke and Stanford are living proof that a university can have both elite academics and elite athletics (well, some of the time anyway). Ditto for that tech school over in South Bend.

[The Equalizer]

The next contact cycle is the most important one

Trap cycle.

[Cheeks]

I don't think you understand the popularity disparity between a private school with less than 10,000 students and a flagship state school with 30,000+ students.  There's a reason there is a Big Ten Network.

True, there is the volume game and alumni in droves.  That said, some of the highest rated schools on television the last 20 years are small private schools for basketball.

Duke
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Villanova
Gonzaga


What tends to happen, especially with SEC schools and some Big Ten schools, they may draw well for football but for basketball comparing like for like against other basketball schools the ratings aren't as strong.  If you factor in % of alumni, the comparison is even worse.  To your point, they can make up for it in pure volume of people, but a higher % of their alumni just don't care about basketball compared to some of the basketball schools. 

[Mr. Nielsen]

Because the Big East contract indicates a certain number of games on national FOX.  It's great.  I just pray we can keep this tv deal next round.

I also do hope/prey the Big East comes out rosy in the next TV deal. I'm sure they will! FS1 need the live programming. Also, both games on FOX this past Saturday had half a million viewers. If were on ESPNU or ESPNews, that I can tell you wouldn't be the case.