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Quote from: Jon on April 07, 2019, 03:46:37 AM
Is she a Mo?

I think, just as Wojo would not want to follow a legend at Duke so, too, would he be loathe to coach anywhere in Utah where Stew Morrill reigned for so many decades


;D

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

PointWarrior


And now UCLA will shoot for the level of coach they can get and still convince fans it's a good hire - Wojo.

This is fine if it does not take the next coach 5 years to rebuild. 


Quote from: tower912 lv. ink=topic=57899.msg1119919#msg1119919 date=1554646257
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ucla-cant-hire-any-basketball-coach-it-wants-but-try-convincing-ucla-of-that/2019/04/05/8791dae8-57d1-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.6600a32bbd62


Some good things to ponder here.    Like how fanbases always overestimate who they can get as a replacement.

The Sultan

Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2019, 09:10:57 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ucla-cant-hire-any-basketball-coach-it-wants-but-try-convincing-ucla-of-that/2019/04/05/8791dae8-57d1-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.6600a32bbd62


Some good things to ponder here.    Like how fanbases always overestimate who they can get as a replacement.   


And that entitled attitude is why established coaches have no need for that job. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Goose

Crash

Is it confirmed that Coach Peters is moving on?

Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2019, 09:10:57 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ucla-cant-hire-any-basketball-coach-it-wants-but-try-convincing-ucla-of-that/2019/04/05/8791dae8-57d1-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.6600a32bbd62


Some good things to ponder here.    Like how fanbases always overestimate who they can get as a replacement.

This paragraph sure rings familiar around here. Just replace a few names and years.
 
Wooden hasn't coached since 1975. He died in 2010. Yet UCLA people still invoke his name constantly as if he will walk through the door any minute trailed by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Walton.

Cheeks

Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2019, 10:18:36 AM
This paragraph sure rings familiar around here. Just replace a few names and years.
 
Wooden hasn't coached since 1975. He died in 2010. Yet UCLA people still invoke his name constantly as if he will walk through the door any minute trailed by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Walton.


Sounds like some of our fans
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

The Lens

Actually all the Al talk comes from the administration. 

Retired 77
Named the court
Al on the jersey
Named the practice facility

Most fans I know just want to get back to constant NCAA success. AKA The Buzz Years. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Loose Cannon

Quote from: Jon on April 07, 2019, 03:46:37 AM
Is she a Mo?

I think, just as Wojo would not want to follow a legend at Duke so, too, would he be loathe to coach anywhere in Utah where Stew Morrill reigned for so many decades

As Garbo said: You're very talkative.
" Love is Space and Time measured by the Heart. "  M Proust

Cheeks

Quote from: The Lens on April 07, 2019, 11:42:04 AM
Actually all the Al talk comes from the administration. 

Retired 77
Named the court
Al on the jersey
Named the practice facility

Most fans I know just want to get back to constant NCAA success. AKA The Buzz Years.

All the talk?  Come on.  We have memory lane here all the time for Al...which is fine.  Embrace the tradition.

Does Buzz even have a Final Four yet?  What is holding him back?
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

lawdog77

Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 11:53:01 AM
All the talk?  Come on.  We have memory lane here all the time for Al...which is fine.  Embrace the tradition.

Does Buzz even have a Final Four yet?  What is holding him back?
crapshoot

Cheeks

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Pakuni

Quote from: The Lens on April 07, 2019, 11:42:04 AM
Actually all the Al talk comes from the administration. 

Retired 77
Named the court
Al on the jersey
Named the practice facility

Most fans I know just want to get back to constant NCAA success. AKA The Buzz Years.

You and I aren't reading the same Scoop if you don't believe Al comes up around here frequently.

Cheeks

Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2019, 12:02:09 PM
You and I aren't reading the same Scoop if you don't believe Al comes up around here frequently.

Yup.....here at MU Scoop we are currently in a message board named after some guy

HANGIN' AT THE AL


"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

🏀

Quote from: Cheeks on April 07, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
Yup.....here at MU Scoop we are currently in a message board named after some guy

HANGIN' AT THE AL




Is it named after the guy or is it named after the building named after the guy we are insinuating is the guy that the board is named after?

Goose

The Lens

MU does not miss an Al opportunity. I would prefer less Al from MU, and replace it with more on court success.

wadesworld

Quote from: Goose on April 07, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
The Lens

MU does not miss an Al opportunity. I would prefer less Al from MU, and replace it with more on court success.

Yes. The focus on Al is preventing on court success. We have the opportunity to pick one or the other and the administration chooses having Al's name on campus over winning basketball games. Sad!

Goose

wades

It is time to move on from Al. MU's biggest ball marketing plan is throwing Al's name around. It is time to build a new brand and on court success is needed. I would love to see MU really build a new marketing plan and let the current program build off it. MU has milked more out of Al than us old guys on here.

Just curious, do you ever think big picture? Do you think it is time to move from a guy that has not coached in four plus decades?



wadesworld

Quote from: Goose on April 07, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
wades

It is time to move on from Al. MU's biggest ball marketing plan is throwing Al's name around. It is time to build a new brand and on court success is needed. I would love to see MU really build a new marketing plan and let the current program build off it. MU has milked more out of Al than us old guys on here.

Just curious, do you ever think big picture? Do you think it is time to move from a guy that has not coached in four plus decades?

I couldn't care any less about what Marquette names its court, practice facilities, what patches are on their uniforms, etc. Call me crazy, but I don't think Marquette's on court performance changes one bit if they have DWade's name on their jersey instead of Al's, or the court isn't named at all, or the practice facility is named Dick Strong Arena. Doesn't seem to me that Kentucky has had any issues winning basketball games because they're stuck with their arena named after a racist that coached for them over 50 years ago. To me, those things are not "big picture" items when it comes to winning basketball games. To you they are. Different strokes for different folks.

Goose

wades

Correct, Kentucky has had no problem being big time, MU has had a problem. I know you only care about the next game and that is your call. I think celebrating the present might be a bigger help to recruiting and branding the program than having an Al night every season.

As for calling you crazy, I would say small thinking and lacking real life experience in building a brand. I actually think you believe big time program just happens if you work hard and want it badly enough.

Herman Cain

Goose:
I think the brand for Marquette was in a good place during the Crean/Buzz era. We produced a lot of future pros who were known for toughness and grit who also had skills . The continuity from Al and his tough gritty  players with skills to the modern guys like Jimmy Wes Jae etc was something that I believe resonated in the market. We have gone a little soft under Wojo, but it does appear that he has realized that is not the way to go, and has been making adjustments to get tougher more physical players. 
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Jon

Quote from: Goose on April 07, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
wades

It is time to move on from Al. MU's biggest ball marketing plan is throwing Al's name around. It is time to build a new brand and on court success is needed. I would love to see MU really build a new marketing plan and let the current program build off it. MU has milked more out of Al than us old guys on here.

Just curious, do you ever think big picture? Do you think it is time to move from a guy that has not coached in four plus decades?

Goose

Marquette's idea of branding expertise is The Zizzo Group.

'Nuff said.

Goose

Herman

Buzz was building a brand. He was winning over MKE kids and that is not easy to do. That has all been lost in last five years. MU has to work harder than UW on promoting themselves, and it does start on the court. In addition, creating a program identity off the court is big time important. Just my two cents, but I do believe they use Al as a fallback plan on marketing the program.

Goose

Jon

Is she still in charge of branding MU? Have not seen her as much of late. But, I do agree with your post.

Jon

Quote from: Goose on April 07, 2019, 09:57:54 AM
Crash

Is it confirmed that Coach Peters is moving on?

According to Jen Lada it is but I have read on Scoop that Jen often makes journalistic mistakes

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