Big East Conference Results/ NCAA/NIT/CBI

[CountryRoads]

I thought Buzz was a great coach.  There's no way a high major level coach would ever let an opponent go on a 19-0 run.

At least that's what I've been told.

Not sure why all the VT love. They have been destroyed by the 2 teams who actually have more than a pulse. What an awful schedule they've played thus far.  (Aside from their best win against a struggling Purdue at the time)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So what is keeping MU's NET ranking so low? The two blow out road losses? As I watch it it seems like whenever MU wins there's almost little effect on their net ranking.. at first I thought it was because they hadn't won a road game but then they beat Creighton and then they beat Georgetown on the road and it did nothing for their net ranking

Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.

[willie warrior]

I thought Buzz was a great coach.  There's no way a high major level coach would ever let an opponent go on a 19-0 run.

At least that's what I've been told.

remember the Louisville Meltdown/Lava Flow? We were ahead by about 22 or 23 with about 6 1/2 minutes left and Buzz blew it out his kielbasa.

[jsglow]

Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.

At some point, the reality is that WE DON'T.  So put that in your effin' computer model b*tch!

(Not you TAMU.... them.)

[Galway Eagle]

remember the Louisville Meltdown/Lava Flow? We were ahead by about 22 or 23 with about 6 1/2 minutes left and Buzz blew it out his kielbasa.

It was 18pt lead 5:45 left. Just saw my sophomore year Facebook status about the game a couple days ago. Still hurts

[HowardsWorld]

At some point you would think our wins over Louisville, K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo would start to help us out in the net rankings. K-State would be a top 15 team just like when we beat them if they weren't down 2 starters for multiple games including Wade who was out like 6.

[warriorchick]

Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.

Why should we be punished because we refuse to humiliate our opponents by running up the score?   

[Herman Cain]

Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.

I agree with this analysis.

[PGsHeroes32]

At some point you would think our wins over Louisville, K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo would start to help us out in the net rankings. K-State would be a top 15 team just like when we beat them if they weren't down 2 starters for multiple games including Wade who was out like 6.

Yeah the Wade injury hurt them and us. Kstate is clearly better than their NET indicates.

Hopefully they stay hot and beat TT tonight

[brewcity77]

So what is keeping MU's NET ranking so low? The two blow out road losses? As I watch it it seems like whenever MU wins there's almost little effect on their net ranking.. at first I thought it was because they hadn't won a road game but then they beat Creighton and then they beat Georgetown on the road and it did nothing for their net ranking

I suspect it's because we're winning games we're supposed to win. I don't think margin matters a ton, certainly not as much as people are saying, because our RPI is 18. I don't think beating Creighton, Georgetown, Providence, and (DLTD) DePaul will move the dial much. The teams that make bigger jumps are doing so in the ACC and Big 10 that have conferences loaded with depth.

I think our best chance to move up in that regard is to keep winning and hope teams we played do the same. Another thing that hurts is our buy opponents haven't helped us much. Presbyterian is the only one close to top-200 status. The rest are all sub-250 and 4/6 have losing conference records.

While the Buffalo win was the single best buy game value for any team in the nation this year, we'd really be well served by having teams like Charleston Southern, Bethune Cookman, North Dakota and UMBC competing in their leagues.

[muwarrior69]

Why should we be punished because we refuse to humiliate our opponents by running up the score?   

We shouldn't, but who really cares. Will the NET tell which team is a good or a bad match up come selection Sunday? Would you rather have a high NET rank because you clobbered your opponents then lose the National Championship game by one? The only real result that matters is who scored the most when the clock runs out. So just keep winning.

Duh!

[muguru]

I suspect it's because we're winning games we're supposed to win. I don't think margin matters a ton, certainly not as much as people are saying, because our RPI is 18. I don't think beating Creighton, Georgetown, Providence, and (DLTD) DePaul will move the dial much. The teams that make bigger jumps are doing so in the ACC and Big 10 that have conferences loaded with depth.

I think our best chance to move up in that regard is to keep winning and hope teams we played do the same. Another thing that hurts is our buy opponents haven't helped us much. Presbyterian is the only one close to top-200 status. The rest are all sub-250 and 4/6 have losing conference records.

While the Buffalo win was the single best buy game value for any team in the nation this year, we'd really be well served by having teams like Charleston Southern, Bethune Cookman, North Dakota and UMBC competing in their leagues.

I suspect you are right on the money. However, I thought UW beating Michigan would have impacted MU's NET to some extent, yet it had almost zero effect. I also would think that beating UW and Buffalo and K State would impact their NET ranking more than it has. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter...EXCEPT if it is used to seed teams..And since I don't trust the committee, and never have, never will..I could see them looking at MU being #21 in NET(at end of year hypothetically) and going "Yup...the top 6 seed'. When in reality, they should be(if the season ended today) no worse than a 4 seed, IMO.

You think their NET ranking is right on...maybe so, but if you ask me...they are closer to being as good as their AP ranking is currently(#12), then they are as low as their NET ranking has them(#21).

[brewcity77]

I suspect you are right on the money. However, I thought UW beating Michigan would have impacted MU's NET to some extent, yet it had almost zero effect. I also would think that beating UW and Buffalo and K State would impact their NET ranking more than it has. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter...EXCEPT if it is used to seed teams..And since I don't trust the committee, and never have, never will..I could see them looking at MU being #21 in NET(at end of year hypothetically) and going "Yup...the top 6 seed'. When in reality, they should be(if the season ended today) no worse than a 4 seed, IMO.

You think their NET ranking is right on...maybe so, but if you ask me...they are closer to being as good as their AP ranking is currently(#12), then they are as low as their NET ranking has them(#21).

When the first NET came out we were sub-100 and have climbed from there. As nice as UW-M's win was, remember they were ranked I think 4th in NET when we beat them and are now 16th. I think it would help for UW-M to get back to Q1A status and KSU into Q1B, but I still think what drags us are the 6 lowest wins. We're great on high end quality, but too many low Q4s for my taste.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Big game for Butler tonight versus Villanova. Sold out crowd. Butler swept the Wildcats last season.

[MomofMUltiples]

I'm not one to think the seeding will be paint-by-numbers with the NET. What's the point of having a Committee if there are no decisions to make?  And how do you explain Syracuse the last few years?  I can't believe that if Wisconsin finishes in the lower half of the B1G, how would the Committee view a 16 NET?  If Buffalo doesn't lose again this season, how would the strength of their schedule be compared to ours?  Not gonna worry about it.  As folks say, just keep winning and the rest will take care of itself.

[PGsHeroes32]

Still lots of time in this game.

But Nova looks good again.

If they win this one on the road. They will be tough to beat in the standings

[Herman Cain]

Big game for Butler tonight versus Villanova. Sold out crowd. Butler swept the Wildcats last season.

The Butler snake pit environment is a good thing for the Big East.  Would like to see Butler win, it is 61-56 with 7:59 left in the game.

[Herman Cain]

NET rankings came out late today. Here they are as of Sunday January 21 games. MU moved up to 19.
New Old
19   21   Marquette   
28   28   Villanova   
40   42   St. John's
44   43   Butler   
56   56   Seton Hall   
62   63   Creighton   
80   80   Xavier   
84   83   Providence   
96   94   DePaul   
103   95   Georgetown   

[BM1090]

I do want to win the conference but it's really not the worst thing building a big lead on everyone but Nova. It is possible that after tomorrow 8 conference teams will have at least 4 losses

[PGsHeroes32]

I do want to win the conference but it's really not the worst thing building a big lead on everyone but Nova. It is possible that after tomorrow 8 conference teams will have at least 4 losses

It's gonna be tough for us to fall out of top 2 regardless. It's nice if Nova loses a few not just to try and win 1st. But so that other teams can get solid wins(that aren't us).

A butler win tonight woulda helped them and it also woulda made a potential win vs Butler better for us.

But you're right. Not the end of the world.

[MUBigDance]

I find myself rooting for the underdog in BE play (except when MU involved of course). For some reason MU Going 18-0 and everyone else 8-10 is my perfect BE year.

[Herman Cain]

Big East Net Rankings after games of Tuesday January 22. Villanova moved up, MU moved down.
New Old
21   19   Marquette   
24   28   Villanova   
38   40   St. John's
47   44   Butler   
56   56   Seton Hall   
62   62   Creighton   
78   80   Xavier   
80   84   Providence   
95   96   DePaul   
107   103   Georgetown   

[Herman Cain]

Cooley & Company  hanging in there on the road against X. Up 62-52 with 3:35 left in the game

[PGsHeroes32]

Prov survives

[Herman Cain]

Cooley comes through .