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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
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Xavier DePaul and The Hall vs The Johnnies today
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So excited that conference play is here!! Let’s do this.
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Picking both home teams today but hope the Johnnies can get the win
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Xavier DePaul and The Hall vs The Johnnies today
I know St. John's is undefeated, but is it really fair that they have to play against three teams in the same day?
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I know St. John's is undefeated, but is it really fair that they have to play against three teams in the same day?
LOL. I believe DePaul counts as -1 team so the net effect is still one against one.
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Lot of Xavier fans drove up to Chicago for the game in Wintrust. Tough for DePaul to have a home game ostensibly on the road.
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Lot of Xavier fans drove up to Chicago for the game in Wintrust. Tough for DePaul to have a home game ostensibly on the road.
All of DePaul's remaining games will likely be "away" games. It won't take many fans of their opponents to outnumber Blue Demon fans.
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When Marquette plays DePaul they are going to have to shut them out. I don't think I can stand having to see that farcical walk-on at the end of the bench doing a dance at any point. Watching this game, I can just change the channel
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When Marquette plays DePaul they are going to have to shut them out. I don't think I can stand having to see that farcical walk-on at the end of the bench doing a dance at any point. Watching this game, I can just change the channel
DePaul on a run and the bench getting lot of TV exposure.
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DePaul on a run and the bench getting lot of TV exposure.
Always the goof on the bench, go ahead, give him more instagram hits, who gives a crap. DePaul is just plain bad.
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Xavier gets the win. Tyrique Jones played well down the stretch.
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If MU is locked in going into their games against Xavier and DePaul that should be 4 wins. Is Georgetown really worse than those 2 teams?
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Butler down a quick 3 touchdowns in the first quarter.
21-0.....which is shocking enough.....but considering they beat this same Florida team on a neutral court earlier this season it is really something.......
Anybody can lay an egg.....
Ps sorry wrong thread
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I think that kid is retarded. Not just acts stupid but legitimately mentally handicapped. I have seen him jumping up and down and acting the fool when the opponent hits a three or dunks. And the bench players trying to calm him down.
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I think that kid is retarded. Not just acts stupid but legitimately mentally handicapped. I have seen him jumping up and down and acting the fool when the opponent hits a three or dunks. And the bench players trying to calm him down.
Classy.
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Hes not a walk on he is a freeway, that struggles to know what team he is rooting for
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If MU is locked in going into their games against Xavier and DePaul that should be 4 wins. Is Georgetown really worse than those 2 teams?
I've watched Georgetown a few times. They have some talent, but their backcourt is really erratic. At times, Akinjo looks like Tremont Waters, then he'll turn it over on consecutive possessions and just seem completely lost. Govan is really good, but quite often he's totally alone out there. They miss Marcus Derrickson a lot.
I feel like they're one of those teams that plays to the level of their competition. 8 of their 10 wins are by 10 points or less, and that includes 6 buy games. In the USF game, it was just one of those "how are you letting this team stay with you" kind of things. They'll steal a couple they shouldn't, but from what I've seen, they're the worst team in the league. I think DePaul and Xavier are both pretty clearly better than GT.
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DePaul can't close. Northwestern, Boston College and now Xavier.
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I think that kid is retarded.
What are you, a 12-year-old? In 1974?
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I think that kid is retarded. Not just acts stupid but legitimately mentally handicapped. I have seen him jumping up and down and acting the fool when the opponent hits a three or dunks. And the bench players trying to calm him down.
Uh oh......TAMU.....you letting this slide?
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I think that kid is retarded. Not just acts stupid but legitimately mentally handicapped. I have seen him jumping up and down and acting the fool when the opponent hits a three or dunks. And the bench players trying to calm him down.
Why do you need to use that word to make your point?
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What are you, a 12-year-old? In 1974?
He played at La Lumiere for the coach who is now a DU assistant. He is also a Big East all academic. His act is very annoying.
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What are you, a 12-year-old? In 1974?
Please do no insult 12 year old's in any era.
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Over sensitivity much?
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Over sensitivity much?
Not really.
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Excellent research report on tonight’s big game between The Johnnies and The Hall. Ponds vs Powell.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/2385301002
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Over sensitivity much?
No, it’s a derogatory slur, especially in this context. And I’ve seen this poster use it at least two other times the last few weeks. As someone who has a daughter with mental disabilities, I’d love to overhear him using it in public.
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What are you, a 12-year-old? In 1974?
Nah, just an a-hole, which he proves repeatedly.
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The Johnnies versus The Hall on the YES Network in New York area.
Commentary from Coach Steele on Xaviers road win over DePaul
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2018/12/29/naji-marshall-tyrique-jones-return-xaviers-big-east-battle-depaul/2439583002/
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The Johnnies up 6 with 13 minutes left first half. Nice crowd at Prudential Center.
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The Redmen are super quick and can shoot. Gonna be very tough to hang with them in their Queens bandbox. It will be a monster test for our D and Wojo's coaching.
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8:22 left first half The Johnnies up by 11.
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What channel is it on? I see FSN but also see GB/Milwaukee
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YES ch. here in NYC
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St. John's is beating SHU with better ball movement and denying Powell the ball. I think our defense is more disciplined than what I'm seeing from the Hall, but we will need more than Howard to beat them. Ponds is doing a good job of distributing when SHU takes away his options. He has zero first half points but they scored 45 as a team. If they deny him once he's off the ball he will have to make his focus finding others rather than forcing contested looks.
This is the best I've seen the Johnnies look this year.
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The Johnie's up at the half 45 -36. Ponds zero points 7 assists 4 steals and 3 turnovers. Powell 7 points 3 turnovers. Johnnies are looking good in front of the sell out crowd in Newark .Heron with 15 and Simon with 10.
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What channel is it on? I see FSN but also see GB/Milwaukee
310/ 1310 on spectrum in Milwaukee
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1745 on uverse
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SJU/SHU are not good. Pound it inside. MU 4-0 against them....
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Classy.
He did it without dropping douchebag references, so he’s making progress
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Johnnies up by 12 with 9:38 left. Ponds playing a nice all around game.
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SJU/SHU are not good. Pound it inside. MU 4-0 against them....
I'm pretty optimistic and think we have a chance to compete for the conference title but I'd expect 0-1 on Tuesday
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I'm pretty optimistic and think we have a chance to compete for the conference title but I'd expect 0-1 on Tuesday
Life on the road in the BEast is tough. If we win on the road at SJU that gives us a leg up. Hope for the best!
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Life on the road in the BEast is tough. If we win on the road at SJU that gives us a leg up. Hope for the best!
Agreed. I'm viewing it as a huge upside/small downside game
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I'm pretty optimistic and think we have a chance to compete for the conference title but I'd expect 0-1 on Tuesday
We have to come up with a strategy for someone to put pressure on Ponds. His handle and speed are incredible.
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Seton Hall on a 10-0 run to tie the game with less than 4 to play. Zone is really giving SJU problems and the look exhausted. Depth is not in the Johnnies favor.
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Redmen look a bit tired playing just 7. The game is now tied.
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tied 241 left
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Seton Hall takes their first lead with a minute to play. Hall leads 73-72, but SJU is going to the line for 2 FTs with 42.9 seconds to play.
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SJU offense: Five guys around the three point line. Shoot a three or someone goes one on one. That’s it.
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SHU has the ball trailing by 1 with 3.9 seconds to play. Will inbound under the offensive hoop, so legit chance to win it.
SJU offense: Five guys around the three point line. Shoot a three or someone goes one on one. That’s it.
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Good ball movement to create threes, but if you cover the arc, eventually they get frustrated and just put their head down and bull to the rim.
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Are you freaking kidding me???
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Seton Hall just stole one from St. John's. Good defensive play by SJU should've given them possession with 3 seconds to play but the refs blew what was effectively an inadvertent whistle that gave possession back to SHU. The Pirates then hit a three at the buzzer to win 76-74.
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Seton Hall just stole one from St. John's. Good defensive play by SJU should've given them possession with 3 seconds to play but the refs blew what was effectively an inadvertent whistle that gave possession back to SHU. The Pirates then hit a three at the buzzer to win 76-74.
The refs stole that from St. John’s. What in the world was that ref even trying to call?
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St John’s got screwed but it was a fun game to watch. Let’s give em their second loss Tuesday!
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What channel is it on? I see FSN but also see GB/Milwaukee
That's why you need to look at my tv listings. ;)
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well goodbye to St Johns votes. Hello 5 Seton hall votes. jeez no one else besides us is gonna get ranked.
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I couldn't watch the game because it wasn't on Fox Sports Go. I guess I'll see some highlights eventually.
I wanted St. John's to be undefeated when we play them, but oh well. I'd like to see Seton Hall get a little love in the polls -- wins over Kentucky, at Maryland and over an unbeaten St. John's team, and a nice response after a 2-2 start to the season. But maybe they're not quite there yet.
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Crazy ending. Enjoyable game. The Hall has been good at the end of games this year. Johnnie's are going to be loaded for bear against MU.
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St. Johns athleticism and quickness concerns me and we better protect the ball. They are going to gunning for bear on Tuesday after being robbed tonight. I just hope it's not an IU repeat and Wojo has the guys prepared.
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well goodbye to St Johns votes. Hello 5 Seton hall votes. jeez no one else besides us is gonna get ranked.
Johnny I would not be surprised if the Johnnies go up in the some voters esteem. They played well against a quality team.
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Creighton traveling to face Cooley & Company Monday Should be a good game at the Donut Hole.
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Creighton traveling to face Cooley & Company today. Should be a good game at the Donut Hole.
That game is tomorrow
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That game is tomorrow
Thanks correction is noted.
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St johns game absolutely incredible and i cannot imagine how enraged i woukd be if that happened to MU and this board would be in entire meltdown mode. Might blow the server.
Now SJU missed two front ends of one and ones in the last 45 seconds but...
Even after they reviewed the play 500 times how did seton hall get the ball back?
Figueroa deflected the inbounds pass and then passed it to anither st johns player, even with the obvious inadvertant whistle st johns had the ball. He blew the whistle n st johns had the ball how in the world does seton hall get the ball back? That entire crew needs to be suspended for the entire season. U dont go watch video for ten minutes and make a call for something that did not exist on the tape. The only thing the tape showed was seton hall turned the ball over. As bad a referee blunder as i probably have ever seen. There was no alternative ending yet they came up with one. So so bad.
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I don't agree with the ref's call but the call was that since the clock failed to start they had to in effect "do it again". They do this during the game if there is a clock problem usually on an inbound. The team inbounds the ball again and off you go. However in this case it created a complete injustice. The problem is STJ didn't have possession when the whistle blew, nobody did. The STJ player in bounds would have gotten possession a second later but you can't assume stuff like that after the whistle. I'm not sure how they should have resolved it. I guess the most fair disposition would have been an old fashion jump ball with 2 players jumping it up.
I'm not sure whether its better for MU that STJ lost or had they won. I've got to believe STJ is more likely completing for us with the top 3 rather than SH. In that case its better to deny STJ a road win.
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Life on the road in the BEast is tough.
Is it? Home win percentage last season was 56.7%. The year prior...58.9%... and den...54.4%
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St johns game absolutely incredible and i cannot imagine how enraged i woukd be if that happened to MU and this board would be in entire meltdown mode. Might blow the server.
Now SJU missed two front ends of one and ones in the last 45 seconds but...
Even after they reviewed the play 500 times how did seton hall get the ball back?
Figueroa deflected the inbounds pass and then passed it to anither st johns player, even with the obvious inadvertant whistle st johns had the ball. He blew the whistle n st johns had the ball how in the world does seton hall get the ball back? That entire crew needs to be suspended for the entire season. U dont go watch video for ten minutes and make a call for something that did not exist on the tape. The only thing the tape showed was seton hall turned the ball over. As bad a referee blunder as i probably have ever seen. There was no alternative ending yet they came up with one. So so bad.
Nonetheless the last play was incredible. Mamu made a heads up and unselfish move to kick it out , and then the kid who started out as a walk on makes the game winner.
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I just hope the refs don't go out of their way make up for it on Tuesday
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Creighton up 3 at halftime in the Donut Hole vs Cooley & Company.
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Creighton' offense is impressive.......making contested 3 after contested 3.
They have the number 1 effective fg percentage offense in the country......13 TH best overall.
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Creighton up 8 with 3:58 left. A very good game.
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Creighton big 11 point win on the road over Cooley & Company . The Blue Jays have some decent young players .
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Impressive shooting from Creighton, but what I couldn't help notice the most during the many minutes I watched the game was that Creighton constantly outhustled Providence -- which is pretty shameful for any team to let happen on its home floor in its conference opener.
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Big East admits official made mistake in St. John's - Seton Hall game, but once error in judgment was made on initial call the officials properly handled subsequent sequence of events.
http://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/12/31/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-regarding-officiating-of-st-johns-seton-hall-game.aspx
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Big East admits official made mistake in St. John's - Seton Hall game, but once error in judgment was made on initial call the officials properly handled subsequent sequence of events.
http://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/12/31/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-regarding-officiating-of-st-johns-seton-hall-game.aspx
Will be very interesting to see how the selection committee looks at this game.
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Will be very interesting to see how the selection committee looks at this game.
They'll look at it as a win for Seton Hall and a loss for St John's. They won't dissect every play from 5 months of games. The final score is the final score.
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On the Creighton/Providence post game show on FS1 Steve Lavin picked Markus for National player of the year. There is still a lot of basketball to play however.
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On the Creighton/Providence post game show on FS1 Steve Lavin picked Markus for National player of the year. There is still a lot of basketball to play however.
He gone, hey?
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Will be interesting to see how tonight's game impacts the NET rankings when they are updated.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
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3 solid Big East games tonight . The Hall at Xavier. Georgetown at Butler . DePaul at Nova.
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Solid research report previewing The Hall at Xavier
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/1/2/18165164/xavier-v-seton-hall-preview-matchups-keys-to-the-game-basketball-big-east
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Hard fought game between The Hall and Xavier. X up 58-57 7:44 left
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Once down by 10. Nice comeback win on the road for Seton Hall, 80-70. Fun game to watch. Powell ended up with 25 points.
Georgetown up at Butler 57-51. 11 minutes left.
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Butler loses to Georgetown at home.
DePaul up 7 early at Nova.
This league is wideeeeee open
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Once down by 10. Nice comeback win on the road for Seton Hall, 80-70. Fun game to watch. Powell ended up with 25 points.
Georgetown up at Butler 57-51. 11 minutes left.
The second half of this one was great. I thought X was going to pull it out, but SH made too many plays down the stretch. Powell looked great tonight. He'll be a guy to keep an eye on this year. He's progressed well each of the last 2 years.
Scruggs also hit a few big shots for Xavier tonight when the game was going back and forth a bit, and Hankins barely missed a shot. The biggest thing I saw from X was that they have no depth. Their bench barely played today. That's a tough trend to continue in this conference. I think we should be able to handle them well at home this weekend.
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Malinowski played well tonight for Georgetown. They are fighting hard every game and could be formidable by the end of the year.
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What has happened to Butler? After losing to IU, they skated by in buy games before getting smoked by Florida and losing to Georgetown? Talk about falling off a cliff.
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What has happened to Butler? After losing to IU, they skated by in buy games before getting smoked by Florida and losing to Georgetown? Talk about falling off a cliff.
What happened is they don't have very good players. Why were the expectations so high
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What happened is they don't have very good players. Why were the expectations so high
**People** anointing Baldwin for years
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I don't think expectations were that high until they beat Florida at Atlantis
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What happened is they don't have very good players. Why were the expectations so high
They've been consistently good through multiple coaches. Baldwin was pretty good in conference play last year, but also returned 5 other guys that played fairly significant minutes last year while adding Jordan Tucker.
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What has happened to Butler? After losing to IU, they skated by in buy games before getting smoked by Florida and losing to Georgetown? Talk about falling off a cliff.
Butler did crush a solid mid major in UC Irvine after the Presbyterian struggle. All after the heartbreaking game to IU. Florida, I put on a Christmas break letdown. Which was a payback game for Florida. Tonight's game is very shocking to me.
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**People** anointing Baldwin for years
Why don’t we have a Kamar Baldwin anyway?
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Cmon.....he was only 3 stars.😉
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Butler loses to Georgetown at home.
DePaul up 7 early at Nova.
This league is wideeeeee open
Depaul had every opportunity to win this game. They just don't know how.
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Depaul had every opportunity to win this game. They just don't know how.
They will, they are getting close. 5 or 6 wins in conference is not going to be shocking.
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The size they have at the guard spots will give MU trouble.
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This is the best DePaul team in recent memory. For the first 10 minutes of the game, they had a lot of movement on offense and scored 30 points. They will definitely surprise some teams this year. I know Strus and Cain are seniors so I'm not sure if Leitao will be able to build from here.
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This is the best DePaul team in recent memory. For the first 10 minutes of the game, they had a lot of movement on offense and scored 30 points. They will definitely surprise some teams this year. I know Strus and Cain are seniors so I'm not sure if Leitao will be able to build from here.
New arena gives them a fighting chance moving forward. All it takes is one or two guys and they can creat a new thing there.
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What an absolute scud by Strus.
I like him as a player, but yikes!
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I would take cain, struz or gage fir sacar in a heartbeat.
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DePaul is having a tough time closing out wins against their better opponents. When the individuals on their team know the little things they need to do at the end of the games to win or tie, that team is going to be much more difficult to beat.
For example , last night Strus had plenty of time and room to set up his shot with a pump fake and get square to the basket for a much cleaner look than what he took. I am sure when they all get together and look at the tape he will see that. Hard to know that in the moment unless you have been there a few times. Compare how that play went to the last minute shot Seton Hall made against St. Johns. The Seton Hall big man had less time than Strus did and yet he had the patience and vision to kick it out to an open player for a clean shot versus forcing his own shot. Seton Hall has won some close games so they have that experience.
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For example , last night Strus had plenty of time and room to set up his shot with a pump fake and get square to the basket for a much cleaner look than what he took. I am sure when they all get together and look at the tape he will see that. Hard to know that in the moment unless you have been there a few times. Compare how that play went to the last minute shot Seton Hall made against St. Johns. The Seton Hall big man had less time than Strus did and yet he had the patience and vision to kick it out to an open player for a clean shot versus forcing his own shot. Seton Hall has won some close games so they have that experience.
It also may be that Strus just is not a clutch player.
I seem to recall another game where he bricked a (wide open, btw) three to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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It also may be that Strus just is not a clutch player.
I seem to recall another game where he bricked a (wide open, btw) three to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
You are correct, I think that was at the end of the miked up game between DePaul and Providence, where he put up another brick to soon into the shot clock . Maybe they need to be running the plays for Cain.
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You are correct, I think that was at the end of the miked up game between DePaul and Providence, where he put up another brick to soon into the shot clock . Maybe they need to be running the plays for Cain.
I was actually referring to the MU-DePaul game in the BET last year.
But that brings up an interesting point about last night. After Cain had his airball and the Nova fans didn't let up on him about it, he pretty much disappeared. Didn't even want to hold the ball, much less shoot it.
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Looking ahead to this weekend because I'm bored, we have:
Creighton @ Butler
SJU @ Georgetown
Villanova @ Providence
Xavier @ Marquette
Seton Hall @ DePaul
Huge games all around with the league projected as tight as it is. PC loses and they'll be 0-2 at home. Ditto for Butler. MU got one of their top 3 toughest games out of the way and now has one of their top 4-5 easiest. Have to win that one. SHU has a chance to go 3-0 with 2 road wins albeit against 2 bottom half teams. By the end of the weekend we could have 0 undefeated teams or up to 4. Really an interesting weekend.
I don't know what to make of Butler or Providence at this point. Creighton beats Butler and they have 2 solid road wins to start league play.
As a Marquette fan, who are you cheering for and why?
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Mikey Dixon transferring from St John's. He transferred in a year ago, sat out a season, and played all of 14 games before transferring again.
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Looking ahead to this weekend because I'm bored, we have:
Creighton @ Butler
SJU @ Georgetown
Villanova @ Providence
Xavier @ Marquette
Seton Hall @ DePaul
Huge games all around with the league projected as tight as it is. PC loses and they'll be 0-2 at home. Ditto for Butler. MU got one of their top 3 toughest games out of the way and now has one of their top 4-5 easiest. Have to win that one. SHU has a chance to go 3-0 with 2 road wins albeit against 2 bottom half teams. By the end of the weekend we could have 0 undefeated teams or up to 4. Really an interesting weekend.
I don't know what to make of Butler or Providence at this point. Creighton beats Butler and they have 2 solid road wins to start league play.
As a Marquette fan, who are you cheering for and why?
Definitely want to see Creighton,Seton Hall and SJU log road victories. At this point, Creighton looks like they have a better chance of being a tourney team than Butler. Seton Hall needs to keep building its resume and NET ranking which works to everyone's benefit. Also want the Johnnies to keep building that NET ranking. I am neutral on Villanova Providence. Would be good for Villanova to get a road win, but on the other hand I don't want to see Providence get in too deep a hole.
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Mikey Dixon transferring from St John's. He transferred in a year ago, sat out a season, and played all of 14 games before transferring again.
Yikes, that's a significant blow. They already play a 7 man rotation so losing anyone is significant. I guess with Keita coming back from injury they are still at 7
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Slightly off topic but Davidson got teed up today for arguing a no call.
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Johnny fans getting on the bandwagon...
https://nypost.com/2019/01/02/st-johns-is-creating-believers-including-john-mcenroe/
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Butler looks horrible against Florida and Georgetown so of course they are beating Creighton 48-29 at the half.......
Welcome to college basketball....
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Sloppy start to the The Johnnie Game.
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Johnnies up over the Hoyas by 3 at the half.
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Butler wins 84-69. Lavall tore his pants lol. Got a fashion tip from Cooley. Kamar Baldwin 28 points. 7 assists and 4 boards. When he plays well so go the Bulldogs.
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Butler wins 84-69. Lavall tore his pants lol. Got a fashion tip from Cooley. Kamar Baldwin 28 points. 7 assists and 4 boards. When he plays well so go the Bulldogs.
So true. He is over 100 ORtg in all their wins and under 100 ORtg in all their losses.
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SJU in OT at Georgetown
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Exciting finish The Johnnies won.
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Exciting finish The Johnnies won.
Ponds will be the player of the year, there is no doubt in my mind. Playing in the big apple helps. That steal in OT was something to behold.
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That was the Johnnies first win in DC since 2003!
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SJU be GU was a good game. Johnnnies looked good and for real. GU didn’t look like team that was projected to finish toward the bottom of the B-East.
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SJU be GU was a good game. Johnnnies looked good and for real. GU didn’t look like team that was projected to finish toward the bottom of the B-East.
GU matches up pretty well with SJU. They have no bodies to throw at Govan.
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There's gonna be a lot of BEast teams beating each other up this season.
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Friars in process of a big comeback against Nova. 13-0 run.
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Solid win for Nova. Providence missing a take control guard at crunch time.
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Solid win for Nova. Providence missing a take control guard at crunch time.
The freshman, Aj Reeves, who was playing very well averaging 14.2 has been injured. Cooley & Company will be a better team if he comes back.
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There's gonna be a lot of BEast teams beating each other up this season.
BEast may be down this year but the games are consistently entertaining. A lot of decent teams going at it.
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GTown vs St. Johns goes to OT? GTown might be a tougher game than some here think.
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GTown vs St. Johns goes to OT? GTown might be a tougher game than some here think.
Or it could be playing on the road against a team that's a bad matchup is hard
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Or it could be playing on the road against a team that's a bad matchup is hard
No. No, that seems too logical.
Let me give you an alternative view: St Johns went to OT because Wojo didn't appear to care enough.
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GTown vs St. Johns goes to OT? GTown might be a tougher game than some here think.
.....Or it means that the transitive property of basketball isn't a thing.
That being said, I picked at Georgetown as a loss at the beginning of the season, I think it will be our annual "how did we lose that?" game.
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Ponds will be the player of the year, there is no doubt in my mind. Playing in the big apple helps. That steal in OT was something to behold.
He has as good a chance as Markus. They are the same kind of players. This is the same guy who put up 8 pts on 2-13 against Seton Hall and 8 pts on 3-10 against Rutgers. Today was the first big game he had on the road. Lets not crown him yet.
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He has as good a chance as Markus. They are the same kind of players. This is the same guy who put up 8 pts on 2-13 against Seton Hall and 8 pts on 3-10 against Rutgers. Today was the first big game he had on the road. Lets not crown him yet.
Excellent comment.
BEast may be down this year but the games are consistently entertaining. A lot of decent teams going at it.
Agreed, Dano. There is no great BEast team this season, which is a departure after the way Nova dominated the previous several years, and X got a No. 1 seed last season. Any team has a legit chance to beat any other. Lots of flaws to be exposed all around the league, but also lots of fine players who can take over games. There are several solid teams, and I hope we emerge as the most solid.
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Why does it say NOVA has 3 conference wins
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Why does it say NOVA has 3 conference wins
Is UConn back in the conference? ;D
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DePaul up over The Hall 42-39 with 16:58 left
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DePaul up 13 over The Hall with 12:52 left . Max Strus playing well.
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DePaul tried their best to let Seton Hall win but Sandro's last second three rims short.
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DePaul finally learned how to win.
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I had already typed "the most DePaul of all DePaul losses" before Seton Hall inbounded the last time. I was actually surprised I had to delete it because DePaul won.
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Hall looking like they might crack top 25...then they lose to DePaul. Gross.
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Hall looking like they might crack top 25...then they lose to DePaul. Gross.
DePaul is going to get some wins in conference this year. Better they get them out of their system at home and against someone other than MU.
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I recognize RPI is not the metric that the NCAA is using. However, it is still an interesting reference point. Big East continues as Number 3 in Conference RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
Every game in the league is going to be a battle and hopefully come tournament time the league will get rewarded.
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With the home victories today for MU & DePaul, the home team has won 50% of Big East games this season.
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With the home victories today for MU & DePaul, the home team has one 50% of Big East games this season.
One vs. won.
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DePaul is going to get some wins in conference this year. Better they get them out of their system at home and against someone other than MU.
DePaul winning games is bad for the Big East. Same goes for X and Georgetown for that matter. Best if those guys are the doormats.
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DePaul winning games is bad for the Big East. Same goes for X and Georgetown for that matter. Best if those guys are the doormats.
Prior to this year I'd agree but I want MU to be in the running for the Big East title. It's best if DePaul, X, GT can knock off teams like Nova, SHU, and SJU once in awhile.
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I recognize RPI is not the metric that the NCAA is using. However, it is still an interesting reference point. Big East continues as Number 3 in Conference RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
Every game in the league is going to be a battle and hopefully come tournament time the league will get rewarded.
doesnt seem to work that work way.
I agree this year seems to be a year with teams beating each other up, but I don’t think that will translate into entries into the dance.
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Here are the Big East NET rankings through games of January 4. They will probably update tomorrow. The league is in a respectable position. There is a tool on this that allows to sort by leagues.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
23 Marquette
24 St. John's
36 Villanova
37 Creighton
42 Seton Hall
60 Butler
78 Xavier
86 Providence
102 Georgetown
139 DePaul
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They will probably update tomorrow.
They update every day.
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NCAA is a little slow on the NET updates. Here is the update through the Saturday January 5 games:
20 St. John's
22 Marquette
34 Villanova
38 Seton Hall
48 Creighton
57 Butler
80 Xavier
91 Providence
94 Georgetown
141 DePaul
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NCAA got caught up on NET rankings. Here they are after Sundays games:
21 Marquette
23 St. John's
33 Villanova
47 Seton Hall
50 Creighton
57 Butler
80 Xavier
96 Georgetown
98 Providence
125 DePaul
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The Johnnies versus Villanova tonight. New York media starting to pay attention which is a good thing for the league.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/st-johns-is-getting-its-chance-to-shake-up-the-big-easts-hierarchy/
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Johnnies up by 2 over Nova at the Pavillion with 7:43 left first. Great camera angles by FS1.
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The Johnnies up 5 at the Half . Ponds and Paschall having big games.
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12-0 run by Villanova.
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Nova up 1 with 1:48. Phil Booth stepping up.
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Hate SJU decision not to foul there with 35 seconds left.
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Hate SJU decision not to foul there with 35 seconds left.
Nova. prevails
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Villanova comes out on top 76-71. They are now 3-0 in conference play. The Johnnies almost stole one on the road. Was a very good game to watch.
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Two thoughts...was that not a three by Clark? Also, even in losses St John's is starting to look legit. They were poor in non-con, despite the record, but are starting to show they can play.
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Two thoughts...was that not a three by Clark? Also, even in losses St John's is starting to look legit. They were poor in non-con, despite the record, but are starting to show they can play.
If that was us at Nova, our fans would be whining that we choked on it and that Wojo can’t manage end of game situations. 8 point lead with under 10 to go and you can’t score.
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If that was us at Nova, our fans would be whining that we choked on it and that Wojo can’t manage end of game situations. 8 point lead with under 10 to go and you can’t score.
The only difference is I don’t think Mullin can actually coach
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The only difference is I don’t think Mullin can actually coach
Comments from The Johnnie players and Mullin after the game.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/no-24-st-johns-stumbles-down-the-stretch-in-loss-to-villanova/
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Two thoughts...was that not a three by Clark? Also, even in losses St John's is starting to look legit. They were poor in non-con, despite the record, but are starting to show they can play.
The ref said it was a two right away. I'm surprised that they did not review it.
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The only difference is I don’t think Mullin can actually coach
+1
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The only difference is I don’t think Mullin can actually coach
Yet we are 4-4 against Mullin since he took over the St. John's program, 1-year after Wojo started at MU.
Let's not become that cheesy fanbase that thinks we are better than we are, when we haven't won an NCAA tournament game since 2013.
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I haven't seen anything that indicates Mullin is better than Wojo.
But I also haven't seen anything to indicate that Mullin can't coach. I know it looks like street ball at times but with his roster, 5 out is pretty much what they need to be running.
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I haven't seen anything that indicates Mullin is better than Wojo.
But I also haven't seen anything to indicate that Mullin can't coach. I know it looks like street ball at times but with his roster, 5 out is pretty much what they need to be running.
He often isn't even the one coaching in the huddles. He steps aside and his assistants do the talking.
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He often isn't even the one coaching in the huddles. He steps aside and his assistants do the talking.
Yeah, he has a strange style.
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Yeah, he has a strange style.
I watch a lot of college basketball. You occasionally see assistants jump in after the head coach as said his bit in a huddle, but you rarely see assistants run the whole thing. Mullin usually is standing in the background while his assistants run the game planning.
It definitely seems strange to me, and perhaps suggests that Mullin is more the figurehead and recruiter, and less of an Xs and Os guy.
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Have no idea of Mullin can coach worth a lick or not, but he definitely should have learned a great from Don Nelson. Aside from their drinking together, they were very close during their time at Golden State. Nelson knows ball and I would assume Mullin would have learned something during that time.
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So Mullin is to Nelson as Wojo is to Coach K, minus the alcoholism?
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Have no idea of Mullin can coach worth a lick or not, but he definitely should have learned a great from Don Nelson. Aside from their drinking together, they were very close during their time at Golden State. Nelson knows ball and I would assume Mullin would have learned something during that time.
Absolutely agree, he knows BB and learned much from people he played with and against. I have met some people who have difficulty in communicating in a Plain and encompassing manner. I certainly would not judge that's the case here, just the coaching style seems different.
But like most things the bottom line is the acid test. And right now things look real bright for St Johns.
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I watch a lot of college basketball. You occasionally see assistants jump in after the head coach as said his bit in a huddle, but you rarely see assistants run the whole thing. Mullin usually is standing in the background while his assistants run the game planning.
It definitely seems strange to me, and perhaps suggests that Mullin is more the figurehead and recruiter, and less of an Xs and Os guy.
Yup, even in an MU game earlier this year, they showed a Wojo cuddle but at the end you could hear Wojo tell them Stan would now give them their assignment or something along that line.
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Xavier being the favorite by 5 over Georgetown tells me that Vegas thinks X is better than they are or that they think Gtown is awful. Whatever it is..the game seems to be shaping up as the tallest midget contest
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Yup, even in an MU game earlier this year, they showed a Wojo cuddle
Never knew Wojo was that touchy feely. ;D
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Xavier up 3 10:19 left second
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Xavier up 3 10:19 left second
Georgetown once led, 39-22 on FS1.
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Georgetown once led, 39-22 on FS1.
Xavier up 5 with 5:14 left
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Xavier solid win over Georgetown . Seton Hall up 2 over Butler with 1:51 left.
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Seton Hall won. Looking forward to our match up.
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Watching the other two games tonight, it is clear that there are going to be no easy games in this league. The bottom of the league has come up and the middle class teams have enough firepower to make every game close all the way to the end of the game. The league needs a couple of teams to be clearly outstanding, and MU may have done the rest of the league a favor by getting a tough road victory tonight. Clearly a long conference season to go though.
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For all of their problems in the non-con, there's only one unbeaten team in conference play.
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For all of their problems in the non-con, there's only one unbeaten team in conference play.
True. And they will be there until the end. But I'd hope we'd be 3-0 with their schedule as well.
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True. And they will be there until the end. But I'd hope we'd be 3-0 with their schedule as well.
Early signs are there will be few easy wins in this conference.
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Any other day 31 points in a 1 point win would be the standout performance of the day, but not yesterday. Sorry Myles Powell.
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Any other day 31 points in a 1 point win would be the standout performance of the day, but not yesterday. Sorry Myles Powell.
I was thinking that exact same thing. The conference has three All American level guards this year which does not happen often.
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The conference has three All American level guards this year which does not happen often.
Markus, Sacar and who's the third?
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Shamorie Ponds?
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Creighton has continued to recruit well -- credit to McDermott, I thought they'd fall off the map after Dougie left. Hall is also playing surprisingly well (to me at least); I thought they'd collapse under Willard after that senior class graduated.
Providence -- other side of the coin, I thought Cooley would have them playing better.
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Creighton has continued to recruit well -- credit to McDermott, I thought they'd fall off the map after Dougie left. Hall is also playing surprisingly well (to me at least); I thought they'd collapse under Willard after that senior class graduated.
Providence -- other side of the coin, I thought Cooley would have them playing better.
Creighton has a good young team and more kids in the pipeline who want to play in that format. Same with Seton Hall. The Hall is also starting to get some fan support. They have a curtain over the upper bowl at their arena, so they really have the pit feeling at their games.
Cooley & Company had a top level freshman , AJ Reeves who was doing very well get injured, he was paired with another solid Freshman in the back court so there is some youth going on there. They did have a solid road win over Texas, so they can be dangerous. For some reason they are always very motivated when they play MU.
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Big East NET Rankings update through January 9. Not much change after last night.
New Old
20 21 Marquette
27 29 St. John's (NY)
28 31 Villanova
44 45 Seton Hall
48 53 Butler
52 48 Creighton
83 85 Xavier
94 91 Providence
103 99 Georgetown
123 125 DePaul
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Not much change in the rankings after games of January 10 other than a jump up by Xavier 6 spots.
New Old
20 20 Marquette
26 27 St. John's
29 28 Villanova
45 44 Seton Hall
48 48 Butler
52 52 Creighton
77 83 Xavier
93 94 Providence
104 103 Georgetown
124 123 DePaul
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Would be nice for seeding purposes if X could find a way to keep rising and sneak into the top 75.
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Would be nice for seeding purposes if X could find a way to keep rising and sneak into the top 75.
Agreed. Love to see X and Providence push to the top-75, especially if DePaul & GT can stay top-135.
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NET rankings after last night January 11 games. Maryland beat Indiana ,not sure how that impacted our ranking. Xavier dropped down 3 spots.
New Old
21 20 Marquette
26 26 St. John's
29 29 Villanova
45 45 Seton Hall
49 48 Butler
52 52 Creighton
80 77 Xavier
93 93 Providence
105 104 Georgetown
123 124 DePaul
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Cooley & Company up 2 at halftime over Georgetown.
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Cooley pulls a McDermott and Georgetown makes a prayer at the buzzer and sends it to overtime.
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Georgetown won in overtime. Cooley and his buddy McDermott can get together and cry in their beer now.
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Ponds out tonight for The Johnnies against DePaul. Back Injury.
https://twitter.com/BrandonTierney/status/1084210135990456321
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Ponds out tonight for The Johnnies against DePaul. Back Injury.
https://twitter.com/BrandonTierney/status/1084210135990456321
Cue “carrying the entire St. John’s team on his back” jokes.
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DePaul up 1 at half . 31-30.
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DePaul up 48-41 @St. John's.
12:12 left on CBSSN.
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DePaul up 7 . 48-41 . 12:21 left in second.
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Would ponds be sitting if it was against a better team?
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Would ponds be sitting if it was against a better team?
DePaul isn’t really DePaul bad this year. Don’t get me wrong, still bottom half of the BEast, but they may be able to avoid the play in game for the tourney if things go right.
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Would ponds be sitting if it was against a better team?
Yeah I'd assume so. No reason to make an "easy" conference game into a hard one.
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Final
DePaul 79 - #24 St. Johns 71
When was the last time DePaul beat a ranked team on the road?
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DePaul doesn't crap their pants versus Northwestern & Boston College, they would be 12-3.
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DePaul is a solid team. They are learning how to win. Very dangerous can't let guard down against them.
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Ponds or not, DePaul has NO business winning at SJU..I know everyone thinks that team is the greatest team since sliced bread...but they are a .500 team in the BE currently..MU getting blasted there was NOT by any stretch a good look.
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SJU without Ponds is like MU without Markus. I would expect Depaul beat MU if Markus didn't play.
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DePaul isn’t really DePaul bad this year. Don’t get me wrong, still bottom half of the BEast, but they may be able to avoid the play in game for the tourney if things go right.
Yeah, no doubt. MU will have their hands full in both games against them. Just seemed odd when they said he has been dealing with a back injury the past few games.
St. John’s escaped against Georgetown last week or so. Could easily be 1-4 in conference play. Not sure where they end up in the standings. Could be near the bottom. 😳
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Ponds or not, DePaul has NO business winning at SJU..I know everyone thinks that team is the greatest team since sliced bread...but they are a .500 team in the BE currently..MU getting blasted there was NOT by any stretch a good look.
1. This isn't a usual DePaul team
2. Shamorie Ponds is one of the top two players in the conference and top 25ish in the country. Any team would struggle without him
3. Since playing us, SJU had their sixth man Mikey Dixon transfer
4. With Dixon and Ponds out, they really only have 4 Big East level players on the roster. Playing guys like Trimble, Williams Jr, and Keita for big minutes is not a recipe for success
5. Sometimes good teams play bad. Sometimes bad teams play good. Sometimes both things happen on the same night.
Getting blown out by anyone is not a good look. But trying to make it more than one bad game on an otherwise strong resume is not a good look either.
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Ponds or not, DePaul has NO business winning at SJU..I know everyone thinks that team is the greatest team since sliced bread...but they are a .500 team in the BE currently..MU getting blasted there was NOT by any stretch a good look.
Pitt beat Louisville a few days ago. Today Louisville beat North Carolina by 20 in Chapel Hill.
Sometimes teams do crazy things. SJU hasn’t played without Ponds, they looked lost. Not surprising. DePaul has given teams fits, including Villanova. Why is this hard to comprehend?
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Ponds or not, DePaul has NO business winning at SJU..I know everyone thinks that team is the greatest team since sliced bread...but they are a .500 team in the BE currently..MU getting blasted there was NOT by any stretch a good look.
DePaul isn't bad. They were 85+% to win in the second half against Northwestern, BC, and X. Finish those games and they're a tourney team. This is the best DePaul team in more than a decade.
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DePaul isn't bad. They were 85+% to win in the second half against Northwestern, BC, and X. Finish those games and they're a tourney team. This is the best DePaul team in more than a decade.
That isn't saying much, they are still DePaul
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That isn't saying much, they are still DePaul
They are still Depaul as in the DePaul that always seems to play us close or beat us when they have no business even being in the game? Then yes I agree they are still DePaul. The same Depaul that ended our season last year.
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That isn't saying much, they are still DePaul
Wow. Yeah, actually it says a lot. Teams can get better, each year is totally different than the previous year.
Again, this is not hard. Kansas State for decades was a horrific football program, then they got good and routinely went to bowl games. It can happen. Come on.
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They are still Depaul as in the DePaul that always seems to play us close or beat us when they have no business even being in the game? Then yes I agree they are still DePaul. The same Depaul that ended our season last year.
Penn State ended our season last year, but yes DePaul has played us tough over the years. They beat a Buzz team, beat Wojo and Crean teams, etc.
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Penn State ended our season last year, but yes DePaul has played us tough over the years. They beat a Buzz team, beat Wojo and Crean teams, etc.
We’re their Super Bowl.
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Penn State ended our season last year, but yes DePaul has played us tough over the years. They beat a Buzz team, beat Wojo and Crean teams, etc.
I meant the loss to Depaul all but sealed out fate that we were not going to the tournament.
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I meant the loss to Depaul all but sealed out fate that we were not going to the tournament.
I agree with this analysis.
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Will be interesting to see how the Creighton kids respond today against Villanova.
https://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/game-preview-villanova-at-creighton/article_5745d1e4-6ea8-52f4-a6e5-1557a3fb7696.html
Butler at Xavier should be a quality game.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2019/01/12/2018-2019-xavier-musketeers-take-butler-bulldogs-home/2547181002/
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Who you guys cheering for?
For me, Creighton because if they win we will be tied for 1st place at the end of the day. Not sure on Butler/X. Probably Butler because it is better for the conference? But i don't mind X.
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Cheering for Creighton. I thought they played us incredibly well and actually would have felt bad for them had MU not been the opponent. And Butler might be a tourney team so let's agree that more vs. less in the NCAA is better for all.
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Butler Xavier will be a battle. I am rooting for what is best for the league. Originally I thought Butler had better traction as a team, but it seems like Xavier squad is starting to gell a bit and has more tools at their disposal versus Butler which sinks or swims with Kamar Baldwin performance.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2019/01/11/ncaa-tourney-regulars-butler-xavier-struggling-make-2019/2549686002/
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Creighton can't buy a 3 pointer right now.
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After my post they shoot 4/5 from 3
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Creighton up 4 over Nova at halftime
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DePaul has long, strong and athletic guards and will give Markus a lot of problems. Their athleticsm also give Sam a problem. I would not be surprised if we split with them this year.
Just because a team has sucked for years, doesn’t mean that can’t bring in better players and improve. DePaul has done just that.
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Butler up 5 at halftime at Xavier.
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DePaul has long, strong and athletic guards and will give Markus a lot of problems. Their athleticsm also give Sam a problem. I would not be surprised if we split with them this year.
Just because a team has sucked for years, doesn’t mean that can’t bring in better players and improve. DePaul has done just that.
DePaul is a thorn in our side lately. They give us fits. And this year they are better, stringer, more physical than they have been. And pretty big. No easy games in the BEast this year. None.
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Phil Booth has been absolutely phenomenal in BE play
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I think Villanova will be OK.
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Phil Booth has been absolutely phenomenal in BE play
Nova up 62-53 9:55 left. Booth playing well.
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Phil Booth has been absolutely phenomenal in BE play
He's like 25 so.
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Nova up 76-68 3:29 left
Butler up 61-51 6:28 left
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Creighton suffering a Marquette hangover.
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Creighton missed some wide open shots then Booth hit about 4 straight contested ones. Rough week for the Jays.
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8-0 run by Xavier. 64-62, Butler
2:40 left on CBSSN.
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Villanova wins 90-78
Butler 66 Xavier 64 1:29 left
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Butler and X tied 66-66 1:22 left
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Big comeback win by Xavier.
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Big comeback win by Xavier.
X rallies to win 70-69 at home over Butler. Goodin was injured and did not play for X.
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Big comeback win by Xavier.
16-5 run in the final 3 minutes.
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Woof, my Butler as 4th best team in the Big East prediction is not looking good.
I (and many others) said it preseason. This is Villanova's conference until someone proves otherwise.
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I (and many others) said it preseason. This is Villanova's conference until someone proves otherwise.
Yes. Watching Nova get more of its sh*t together with each passing game makes me wish we'd gotten them early.
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https://twitter.com/BarstoolReags/status/1084525536045600769?s=19
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Butler losing was a tough one for the conference. They had the inside track to win a bid but this one hurts them a bit. No easy games in this league.
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Woof, my Butler as 4th best team in the Big East prediction is not looking good.
I (and many others) said it preseason. This is Villanova's conference until someone proves otherwise.
Yup yup
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Big East NET Rankings update after yesterdays game January 12. DePaul moved up significantly with their win. This league is very solid.
New Old
20 21 Marquette
30 29 Villanova
37 26 St. John's
39 45 Seton Hall
46 49 Butler
52 52 Creighton
78 80 Xavier
91 123 DePaul
98 93 Providence
101 105 Georgetown
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Big East NET Rankings as of Sunday January 13 games. Not much change from previous.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
29 30 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
39 39 Seton Hall
48 46 Butler
55 52 Creighton
77 78 Xavier
91 91 DePaul
97 98 Providence
101 101 Georgetown
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Big East NET Rankings as of Sunday January 13 games. Not much change from previous.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
29 30 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
39 39 Seton Hall
48 46 Butler
55 52 Creighton
77 78 Xavier
91 91 DePaul
97 98 Providence
101 101 Georgetown
That is pretty.
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J5
I am excited about the team’s record thus far, but have to admit, being 2.5 favorite against number 100 says something. I have said all season that college ball is way down this season and I think the spread proves that. There are a lot of average teams beating each other up. Again, I’m hoping for a run of games that they separate themselves from the pack. Counting on Howard to score a 100 a game is a hope, imo, not a strategy.
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Big East NET Rankings as of Sunday January 13 games. Not much change from previous.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
29 30 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
39 39 Seton Hall
48 46 Butler
55 52 Creighton
77 78 Xavier
91 91 DePaul
97 98 Providence
101 101 Georgetown
Interesting to see Villanova drop a spot after 2 wins.
I am excited about the team’s record thus far, but have to admit, being 2.5 favorite against number 100 says something. I have said all season that college ball is way down this season and I think the spread proves that. There are a lot of average teams beating each other up. Again, I’m hoping for a run of games that they separate themselves from the pack. Counting on Howard to score a 100 a game is a hope, imo, not a strategy.
Tough to win on the road, Goose. (Heck, last night for Duke it was tough to win at home against an unranked, 5-loss team that had fallen to Old Dominion and Georgia Tech.)
Perhaps college ball is "way down," though I don't know how a point spread from a January BEast game "proves" it.
Perhaps there are no great teams, but there have been a ton of highly entertaining games, including most of ours. It's the kind of parity that would make Rozelle proud.
Marquette can only play in the environment that exists. If we win the BEast, or get to the FF or E8 or S16, there will be no need to put an asterisk next to any of our accomplishments. I have read many times that 1976-77 was a "down" season for college basketball -- UCLA was no longer dominant, Indiana couldn't even make the NCAAs after going unbeaten the year before, a relatively mediocre Marquette team and UNC-Charlotte were able to make it to the Final Four, etc, etc.
I don't think we'll give the title back, though.
As for counting on Markus to score 100 ... why exaggerate? Most games we don't even need him to score 50 - ha!
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MU82
Agree with 90% of your post. You can only win the games you play. It is not MU's responsibility to upgrade the entire landscape of college ball. Regardless of season outcome, it will not have an asterisk from this fan. Winning on the road has always been tough, and maybe this season a tad tougher due to more teams lumped together in terms of talent. That said, I do find the point spreads, and outcomes, to be discussion worthy. Equally ad discussion worthy, they are proving they can win the tight games, something not seen before in Wojo era.
As for '76-'77 season, come on. MU was far from mediocre and you know that full well. Any team that has two AA's on it, J Whitehead at center and former top three recruit on the bench is far from mediocre. That team, like many of Al's teams, played up or down to the competition. That team was preseason #1 or #2, depending on polls, and was top 3-4 team in the Al era. Do not mislead folks, that were not born at that time, that MU was not a top, top level team that season. To even note the '76-'77 season in any discussion with this year is actually laughable.
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J5
I am excited about the team’s record thus far, but have to admit, being 2.5 favorite against number 100 says something. I have said all season that college ball is way down this season and I think the spread proves that. There are a lot of average teams beating each other up. Again, I’m hoping for a run of games that they separate themselves from the pack. Counting on Howard to score a 100 a game is a hope, imo, not a strategy.
Yah, I don't think Georgetown is the 100th best team in college basketball, though. If I had to do tiers, I would go as follows:
10-30 range: Marquette, Villanova, Seton Hall and St. Johns
30-45 range: Creighton, Butler
45-60 range: Xavier, Georgetown and Providence
75ish: Depaul
IMO, the big east is mainly top 60 teams. Sure, there is quite a bit of parity, but its not like these teams are bad. Definitely not super top heavy like the B10 or ACC, but a bunch of really solid teams that are going to beat up on each other. Georgetown for example didn't exactly play a murder's row non-con, but they won @ Illinois, and lost by 1 @Syracuse. Have won @ Butler and vs. PC so far this BE season. They are a pretty good team.
And, as others have said, winning on the road is tough.
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MU82
As for '76-'77 season, come on. MU was far from mediocre and you know that full well. Any team that has two AA's on it, J Whitehead at center and former top three recruit on the bench is far from mediocre. That team, like many of Al's teams, played up or down to the competition. That team was preseason #1 or #2, depending on polls, and was top 3-4 team in the Al era. Do not mislead folks, that were not born at that time, that MU was not a top, top level team that season. To even note the '76-'77 season in any discussion with this year is actually laughable.
Totally fair, Goose. "Mediocre" was a very poor word choice.
What they were much of the season was "disappointing." Several terrible losses, the kind that would have had Scoopers' hair on fire (or, in my case, my scalp boilin'). We had an extremely talented team that often did not play to its talent level. Critics now would would call that a sign of poor coaching, though we know that was not the case. Pretty lucky to even get into the tournament.
But no, those Warriors were not mediocre, and they really showed up at nut-cuttin' time -- both late in the season to make sure they got an NCAA invite, and then, of course, when it really counted!
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Big East Net Rankings as of Monday January 14 games. Every team in top 100. It appears as if Indiana home loss may have impacted MU and Butler. Although hard to say because we don't know exact workings of the formula they use yet.
New Old
22 19 Marquette '
27 29 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
39 39 Seton Hall
50 48 Butler
56 55 Creighton
79 77 Xavier
90 91 DePaul
99 101 Georgetown
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Big East Net Rankings as of Monday January 14 games. Every team in top 100. It appears as if Indiana home loss may have impacted MU and Butler. Although hard to say because we don't know exact workings of the formula they use yet.
New Old
22 19 Marquette '
27 29 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
39 39 Seton Hall
50 48 Butler
56 55 Creighton
79 77 Xavier
90 91 DePaul
99 101 Georgetown
I spoke too soon earlier about Nova dropping despite 2 wins. In this latest list, WE drop 3 spots despite 2 wins!
Overall, conference looks relatively strong -- or at least not relatively weak top-to-bottom.
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I spoke too soon earlier about Nova dropping despite 2 wins. In this latest list, WE drop 3 spots despite 2 wins!
Overall, conference looks relatively strong -- or at least not relatively weak top-to-bottom.
Wisconsin moved up from 20 to 19 after their loss. So there's that.
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I am glad that Providence broke through tonight against SH. While it shouldn’t matter, I wouldn’t want MU to face them in desperation mode on Sunday.
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There are no “should win” games in the BE. Just “can win” games.
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I am glad that Providence broke through tonight against SH. While it shouldn’t matter, I wouldn’t want MU to face them in desperation mode on Sunday.
There are no “should win” games in the BE. Just “can win” games.
I agree with this analysis.
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DePaul just landed midseason transfer Carte'are Gordon from St Louis. Former top-75 recruit.
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DePaul just landed midseason transfer Carte'are Gordon from St Louis. Former top-75 recruit.
Big get for them.
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There are no “should win” games in the BE. Just “can win” games.
We should win all of our home games and a couple of our road games. We could win the others.
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Didn't win by enough. Ranking to drop.
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StJ is back on the bubble after the DePaul loss, they're at home against a desperate Creighton team tonight. Any word on Ponds back?
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DePaul just landed midseason transfer Carte'are Gordon from St Louis. Former top-75 recruit.
Wow. Great pickup. I remember watching that kid years ago in some international competition and recall MU going after him.
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Wow. Great pickup. I remember watching that kid years ago in some international competition and recall MU going after him.
Lots and lots of potential, lots of baggage. He played for multiple high schools, multiple AAU teams, etc...he was apparently showing up late or not at all for some practices and team functions, drawing the ire of several teammates, especially some team leaders. SLU took a chance on him based on his talent and knowing him well as a local player. Very emotional player and kid. High risk high reward. If he can stay the course, a big if, he is an elite talent.
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I am excited about the team’s record thus far, but have to admit, being 2.5 favorite against number 100 says something. I have said all season that college ball is way down this season and I think the spread proves that. There are a lot of average teams beating each other up. Again, I’m hoping for a run of games that they separate themselves from the pack. Counting on Howard to score a 100 a game is a hope, imo, not a strategy.
Thankfully, it was not Wojo's strategy last night (or ever, frankly)
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New Big East Conference Rankings as of Tuesday January 15 games. Providence moved up with their win over the Hall. MU did not get much out of the win over Georgetown.
New Old
21 22 Marquette
26 27 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
47 39 Seton Hall
52 50 Butler
56 56 Creighton
80 79 Xavier
85 98 Providence
92 90 DePaul
98 99 Georgetown
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New Big East Conference Rankings as of Tuesday January 15 games. Providence moved up with their win over the Hall. MU did not get much out of the win over Georgetown.
New Old
21 22 Marquette
26 27 Villanova
37 37 St. John's
47 39 Seton Hall
52 50 Butler
56 56 Creighton
80 79 Xavier
85 98 Providence
92 90 DePaul
98 99 Georgetown
Marquette beats Georgetown and they both move up one spot. Win-win!
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14-3 run by St. John's to close the half.
39-34. St. John's.
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St John's handles Creighton. Jays fall to 1-4 in league.
Butler showing off some slick looking uniforms at DePaul. Not as such on the court, down 12-4 early.
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St John's handles Creighton. Jays fall to 1-4 in league.
Butler showing off some slick looking uniforms at DePaul. Not as such on the court, down 12-4 early.
Not anymore, Butler spanking them real bad now.
Jordan Tucker, the Duke transfer and former MU target, looking very good for Butler.
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17-0 run by Butler.
Former St. Louis forward Carte’Are Gordon transfer to DePaul. Was shown on the boardcast.
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Paul Reed for DePaul is a promising player. Some skills and length.
Butler just pulled away and played great team ball. Also a fair amount of Butler fans were at the game at Wintrust.
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Not anymore, Butler spanking them real bad now.
Jordan Tucker, the Duke transfer and former MU target, looking very good for Butler.
I think DePaul is one of those teams that could really benefit from a postseason tournament, even a CIT/CBI type of run. At some point, their young guys have to see what it's like to win. If they were putting in 40 minute efforts, they would be a tourney team this year. No doubt in my mind. Instead, they lose games that they seemingly had well in hand: Northwestern, BC, Xavier. Even the Notre Dame, Villanova, and Butler games were all ones they were competitive in into the second half. Even their three most notable wins, Penn State, Seton Hall, and St. John's, were all games they had control of and very nearly threw away.
I know it's been a joke that they rehired Leitao, but he's done a decent job recruiting there and if he could get them to be at least 50/50 in the close games, they'd have a chance at some form of postseason play. Looking back, I think our little NIT run did help this year's team. Got us winning and competing in a more tense environment, which helped us to bring that intensity to the regular season. If that program is ever going to turn around, they could use some of that.
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https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2019/1/16/18185954/damien-jefferson-injury-surgery-creighton-to-undergo-ankle-surgery
January is unkind to Creighton.
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I think DePaul is one of those teams that could really benefit from a postseason tournament, even a CIT/CBI type of run. At some point, their young guys have to see what it's like to win. If they were putting in 40 minute efforts, they would be a tourney team this year. No doubt in my mind. Instead, they lose games that they seemingly had well in hand: Northwestern, BC, Xavier. Even the Notre Dame, Villanova, and Butler games were all ones they were competitive in into the second half. Even their three most notable wins, Penn State, Seton Hall, and St. John's, were all games they had control of and very nearly threw away.
I know it's been a joke that they rehired Leitao, but he's done a decent job recruiting there and if he could get them to be at least 50/50 in the close games, they'd have a chance at some form of postseason play. Looking back, I think our little NIT run did help this year's team. Got us winning and competing in a more tense environment, which helped us to bring that intensity to the regular season. If that program is ever going to turn around, they could use some of that.
It's good to see them get some Chicago press. Looks like a decent recruiting class for next season.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-basketball-progress-momentum-20190117-story.html
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I know it's been a joke that they rehired Leitao, but he's done a decent job recruiting there and if he could get them to be at least 50/50 in the close games, they'd have a chance at some form of postseason play.
To be honest, I think he was a good choice for them at this point even on the return. My memory of his teams from the CUSA era was that they always played tough even without top tier talent. Seems to understand what you need to do to be successful there.
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Big East Net Rankings through games of Wednesday January 16. DePaul went down significantly with the home loss, Butler moved up with the road win.
New Old
20 21 Marquette
24 26 Villanova
34 37 St. John's
48 52 Butler
49 47 Seton Hall
58 56 Creighton
81 80 Xavier
82 85 Providence
94 98 Georgetown
112 92 DePaul
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Paschall and Booth are gonna be a handful.
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Paschall and Booth are gonna be a handful.
They will. Key is not letting someone like Gillespie hit 6 3PM in addition to everything that Boot hand Paschall bring.
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I was in a bar in montego bay Jamaica and many of the tvs had nova Xavier on. Nice to see people watching the big east in different countries
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They will. Key is not letting someone like Gillespie hit 6 3PM in addition to everything that Boot hand Paschall bring.
And he hit some of those from deeeeeeep nba land
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Big East NET rankings through Thursday January 17 games. Will be interesting to see how much Nova moves up when the results of tonight's games are calculated . It would help the conference if they could move up in the same area MU is in.
New Old
20 20 Marquette
25 24 Villanova
35 34 St. John's
47 48 Butler
49 49 Seton Hall
59 58 Creighton
78 81 Xavier
82 82 Providence
95 94 Georgetown
117 112 DePaul
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If X was just an average beyond the arc shooting team they could of stayed with Nova and made a game of it.
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It's good to see them get some Chicago press. Looks like a decent recruiting class for next season.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-basketball-progress-momentum-20190117-story.html
Two four stars coming in and a former top 75 transfer who will be eligible in November is pretty impressive. The four star from Chicago, Markese Jacobs, scored something like 45 and 46 in two games this week, one of them against very good competition. He hit 24-25 free throws I believe. Leitao seems to have things going in the right direction finally.
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Two four stars coming in and a former top 75 transfer who will be eligible in November is pretty impressive. The four star from Chicago, Markese Jacobs, scored something like 45 and 46 in two games this week, one of them against very good competition. He hit 24-25 free throws I believe. Leitao seems to have things going in the right direction finally.
During Leitao's first stint he was an arrogant jag. Got knocked down a peg with Virginia debacle. Will be interesting to see if success brings back old Leitao.
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Two four stars coming in and a former top 75 transfer who will be eligible in November is pretty impressive. The four star from Chicago, Markese Jacobs, scored something like 45 and 46 in two games this week, one of them against very good competition. He hit 24-25 free throws I believe. Leitao seems to have things going in the right direction finally.
Jacobs is a ticking time bomb.
He had some issues last year, not off the court, but he was a terrible teammate and single handedly lost games for a pretty talented Uplift team.
Sure he can put up 40, but curious to see how he reacts to Leito and other talented players around him.
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Butler over The Johnnies
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Hinkel is tough.
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Butler over The Johnnies
Fun game to watch. Lots of runs though Butler always seemed to be able to keep them just out of reach
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Fun game to watch. Lots of runs though Butler always seemed to be able to keep them just out of reach
Kamar with 30 and Jordan Tucker ,getting better every game , had 24 with 6 of 11 from 3. I think this win by Butler is a good for the conference and MU in particular.
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Seton Hall 49 DePaul 48 at half . Lots of offense. Strong fan support by Seton Hall considering crappy weather . I really enjoy watching as many of our league games as I can.
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Seton Hall 49 DePaul 48 at half . Lots of offense. Strong fan support by Seton Hall considering crappy weather . I really enjoy watching as many of our league games as I can.
DePaul will again give us headaches. The announcer just said they are second in league in offensive rebounding, and they had a lot of second chance points in first half. They are better than they have been. We can still take both but they will give us some fits.
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DePaul needs some love, 3 seniors and Pau Reed, beating Hall twice would be impressive. But we will see if they can keep a lead tonight, if they do they will be in the race
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DePaul needs some love, 3 seniors and Pau Reed, beating Hall twice would be impressive. But we will see if they can keep a lead tonight, if they do they will be in the race
Race for what? Surely you don't mean the Big East title.
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Out rebounding SH 40 - 10 was the stat? Ong
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Race for what? Surely you don't mean the Big East title.
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To me it means they have a chance to part of the race. They have not been around for years, nice to see them get out of the cellar. MU will be challenged when playing them.
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To me it means they have a chance to part of the race. They have not been around for years, nice to see them get out of the cellar. MU will be challenged when playing them.
They have 3 losses in the BE already. To tie or win the BE outright you need a max of 5 losses. That means you think they can go 10-2 the rest of the regular season. They have 2 games left with Marquette, 1 left with Villanova, 1 left with St. John's, 2 left with Creighton.
Sorry, but I don't think there's any chance whatsoever they're losing less than 4 more games, and 7 losses is not in the running for a BE title.
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It’s kind of a shame they have no shot at a tourney birth due to their ellenson-yearsesque non con schedule.
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Beat Hall twice and St John’s, what they have is a chance to make the NCAA tournament, let’s see what happens Wednesday, will not be a walk in the park. They took Ponds and Powell out of the game, glad MU played without Howard, gives them more confidence if Howard is taken out of the game. MU other starters better than Halls.
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Beat Hall twice and St John’s, what they have is a chance to make the NCAA tournament, let’s see what happens Wednesday, will not be a walk in the park. They took Ponds and Powell out of the game, glad MU played without Howard, gives them more confidence if Howard is taken out of the game. MU other starters better than Halls.
Ponds didn’t play in the game
And Powell had like 25
You drinking?
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The full MU Chicago contingent needs to show up when we play DePaul at Wintrust. That pseudo home court advantage will be helpful this year.
Also hopefully the Wednesday game will be well attended .
I had felt for some time DePaul could win 6 Big East games this year and we don’t want any of those against us.
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Ponds didn’t play in the game
And Powell had like 25
You drinking?
Drugs, just had knee replacement surgery
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If Butler doesn't beat Villanova on Tuesday this could possibly be a 2 bid league. I say that because Butler is the only other team I think can make it. If they lose they only have Marquette x 2 and @ Villanova as top net rankings teams remaining.
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If Butler doesn't beat Villanova on Tuesday this could possibly be a 2 bid league. I say that because Butler is the only other team I think can make it. If they lose they only have Marquette x 2 and @ Villanova as top net rankings teams remaining.
< 1% chance this is a 2 bid league.
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If Butler doesn't beat Villanova on Tuesday this could possibly be a 2 bid league. I say that because Butler is the only other team I think can make it. If they lose they only have Marquette x 2 and @ Villanova as top net rankings teams remaining.
Who’s making the tournament then? You think they’ll have 4 total teams from the B1G and PAC 12 combined? I find it highly unlikely. 68 teams make the Tournament.
I’ll take at least 4 BE teams. Things will sort themselves out.
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If Butler doesn't beat Villanova on Tuesday this could possibly be a 2 bid league. I say that because Butler is the only other team I think can make it. If they lose they only have Marquette x 2 and @ Villanova as top net rankings teams remaining.
What are you talking about. Seriously.
Four or five. Andy Katz out today with four, only one of the four worse than a 7 seed.....Seton Hall with a 9 seed.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-01-18/march-madness-field-predicted-two-months-ncaa-tournament
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Who’s making the tournament then? You think they’ll have 4 total teams from the B1G and PAC 12 combined? I find it highly unlikely. 68 teams make the Tournament.
I’ll take at least 4 BE teams. Things will sort themselves out.
As it stands now looking at the net rankings and bracketology there were 5 teams that would have been in the tournament as of yesterday morning. Nova, MU, Seton hall (Last 4 Byes) Butler ( Last 4 in) and St. Johns 9 seed. 2 of those 3 lost yesterday meaning that MU, Butler and Nova would be the only 3 in. Butler has no good wins yet, ST. Johns has the weakest non conference schedule in the history of basketball and Seton hall seems to be on life support lately. There is a ton of basketball left so I could be wrong but i feel teams 3-10 are just going to beat the crap out of each other and the difference between 2nd and 3rd place could be as wide as 5 games at the end of the season.
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What are you talking about. Seriously.
Four or five. Andy Katz out today with four, only one of the four worse than a 7 seed.....Seton Hall with a 9 seed.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-01-18/march-madness-field-predicted-two-months-ncaa-tournament
First of all calm down its my opinion not fact. If I am wrong then so be it but thats how I feel that will work out in the end.
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First of all calm down its my opinion not fact. If I am wrong then so be it but thats how I feel that will work out in the end.
I'm not yelling, I'm perfectly calm. I am seriously wondering where you got your opinion.
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I'm not yelling, I'm perfectly calm. I am seriously wondering where you got your opinion.
My opinion is this because I believe that after Nova and Marquette there is a huge drop off and if teams like Seton Hall don't upset Marquette and Nova then they don't have any games remaining against top 30 Net rankings teams. There are 5 projected teams as of yesterday 2 bubble teams and both lost its not as far fetched as you may think.
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My opinion is this because I believe that after Nova and Marquette there is a huge drop off and if teams like Seton Hall don't upset Marquette and Nova then they don't have any games remaining against top 30 Net rankings teams. There are 5 projected teams as of yesterday 2 bubble teams and both lost its not as far fetched as you may think.
OK, that's fair but can you not say that about many conferences? In my view don't you have to this same exercise with other conferences to have it a true comparison? How many bubble teams from other conferences lost yesterday? Isn't there a big drop off after Michigan and Michigan State? What about the Big 12?
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My opinion is this because I believe that after Nova and Marquette there is a huge drop off and if teams like Seton Hall don't upset Marquette and Nova then they don't have any games remaining against top 30 Net rankings teams. There are 5 projected teams as of yesterday 2 bubble teams and both lost its not as far fetched as you may think.
It’s very far fetched. Even 3 is still a stretch
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I would guess 4 right now but 3 would not be completely shocking. The bottom 8 teams are.beating each other up but 2 seems nearly impossible. Things would have to fall imperfectly into place for that. Nova and MU would have to win out(excluding nova vs mu games) and the bottom 8 would have to all go .500 from here on out and maybe you get 2 or three bids from the BE but yeah really no way that happens
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As it stands now looking at the net rankings and bracketology there were 5 teams that would have been in the tournament as of yesterday morning. Nova, MU, Seton hall (Last 4 Byes) Butler ( Last 4 in) and St. Johns 9 seed. 2 of those 3 lost yesterday meaning that MU, Butler and Nova would be the only 3 in. Butler has no good wins yet, ST. Johns has the weakest non conference schedule in the history of basketball and Seton hall seems to be on life support lately. There is a ton of basketball left so I could be wrong but i feel teams 3-10 are just going to beat the crap out of each other and the difference between 2nd and 3rd place could be as wide as 5 games at the end of the season.
How about we do this
CBS says we have 5 in as of this morning. Butler in the last four in
Andy Katz says four in as of this morning
ESPN says says five in as of two days ago
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It makes no difference to me if we have 10 or 2 teams as long as Marquette is in. I will however be cheering for Butler to win so we can have a share of 1st place.
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2 seems unlikely just because they have to get to 68 and the Pac-12 isn't going to send many. If the Big East sends 2-3, you need to start looking at more than 10 from the Big 10 & ACC. You need 4 or more from the American. You need a 2 bid SoCon, MWC, & WCC.
If MU and Villanova are dominant (say both win 16 games) and Xavier & DePaul are 3 & 4 at 11-7 each, then maybe you only get to 2-3 if no one else is above 8-10. Seems really unlikely, though.
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If Butler doesn't beat Villanova on Tuesday this could possibly be a 2 bid league. I say that because Butler is the only other team I think can make it. If they lose they only have Marquette x 2 and @ Villanova as top net rankings teams remaining.
Better chance of the Big East getting 6 bids than being 2 bid league. That’s crazy talk.
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Better chance of the Big East getting 6 bids than being 2 bid league. That’s crazy talk.
Right now neither feel very likely. 4-5 should be right.
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Better chance of the Big East getting 6 bids than being 2 bid league. That’s crazy talk.
Agreed. If MU gets a bid, and right now they should, then St. John's certainly deserves one.
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Why is the Conference schedule skewed? Four teams have only played 5, 2 teams have played 7 and the rest 6 games?
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Agreed. If MU gets a bid, and right now they should, then St. John's certainly deserves one.
Why is that? There's no correlation between those two things.
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If the tournament started tomorrow St. Johns should not get in. 15-4 and there best win was Marquette and literally the rest was cupcakes.
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If the tournament started tomorrow St. Johns should not get in. 15-4 and there best win was Marquette and literally the rest was cupcakes.
Most of the experts disagree with you.
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Why is the Conference schedule skewed? Four teams have only played 5, 2 teams have played 7 and the rest 6 games?
Some teams choose to commit to nonconference games in the middle of the conference schedule. Look at St. John’s - they’ve gotten into the habit of a mid-season game with Duke. They play Feb. 2 this year.
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2 isn’t out of the question but it’s highly unlikely. There is still 2/3 of the conference season left and I think at least 1 or 2 will get hot and separate themselves a bit for 3rd and 4th place.
MU/Nova games will be circled on all teams schedules as they’re really the only opportunities for “signature” wins in the conference.
Depends how it shakes out but I see 3-5 being a really safe bet but those teams will all likely be sweating on selection Sunday.
Also, BET will be crazy this year. I think all 10 teams have a pretty decent shot at winning. We seem to always crap out in that so that could leave the door open for another bid.
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If the tournament started tomorrow St. Johns should not get in. 15-4 and there best win was Marquette and literally the rest was cupcakes.
St John's gets in right now. But simply having a win over Marquette doesn't get them in. If they go 8-10 in league, they are not an at-large team. Unless we're going to say that Temple and Penn State are locks because of their home wins over Houston and Va Tech.
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I'll be curious to see everybody defending St Johns who was so eager to say the ellenson team shouldn't get even an NIT birth. Because my understanding is the SJU schedule is record breaking leg bad for a power (big east?) team
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I'll be curious to see everybody defending St Johns who was so eager to say the ellenson team shouldn't get even an NIT birth. Because my understanding is the SJU schedule is record breaking leg bad for a power (big east?) team
This St John's team is very similar, though at the moment looks like a weaker bubble this year. I felt at the time MU needed 23 wins to be a lock. We got 20. 21 would've been NIT, 22 would've been bubble, 23 would've been in.
22 (10-8 in league) might be enough for the Johnnies, but 9-9 or 8-10 and it's an uphill climb. Their non-con is a real anchor on their NCAA hopes. But a weak Pac-12 along with only two clear tourney teams in our own league means they probably have 4-5 spots that have to go to someone, and a 20+ win Big East team will have as good a shot as anyone.
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Big East NET rankings through games of Saturday January 19. DePaul road win moved them up significantly and Seton Hall moved down.
New Old
21 21 Marquette
28 24 Villanova
42 34 St. John's
44 47 Butler
56 49 Seton Hall
64 59 Creighton
79 82 Xavier
84 81 Providence
95 95 Georgetown
101 116 DePaul
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Not sure why, but Depaul moved again since games concluded yesterday 1/20. All Big East teams in top 100 in NET. Our game didn't move the needle much, if at all.
New Old
21 21 Marquette
28 28 Villanova
42 42 St. John's (NY)
43 43 Butler
56 56 Seton Hall
63 64 Creighton
80 79 Xavier
83 84 Providence
94 101 DePaul
95 95 Georgetown
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Not sure why, but Depaul moved again since games concluded yesterday 1/20. All Big East teams in top 100 in NET. Our game didn't move the needle much, if at all.
New Old
21 21 Marquette
28 28 Villanova
42 42 St. John's (NY)
43 43 Butler
56 56 Seton Hall
63 64 Creighton
80 79 Xavier
83 84 Providence
94 101 DePaul
95 95 Georgetown
Nevermind, I figured it out. Boston College had their big win against Florida State, which helped all teams BC played (including Depaul).
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If both us and Nova win out until we play each other do we get gameday?
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If both us and Nova win out until we play each other do we get gameday?
It's on network FOX from what it looks like.
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If both us and Nova win out until we play each other do we get gameday?
College Basketball version of Gameday only goes to sites of ESPN games.
That said, Marquette will have a nice lead-in. As Nova-MU follows Wisconsin at Michigan. Utah at UCLA follows MU's game on FOX.
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Not Big East but NC just scored 20 in a row against Buzz......45-31 NC at the half.
Put his point guard back in with 2 fouls and picked up 3rd almost immediately.........I think most coaches will take that gamble unless they have tremendous depth......just backfired this time.
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Creighton and GTown in a shootout. But what I want to know is, how did McClung get out of wearing the hot pink shoes?
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Creighton and GTown in a shootout. But what I want to know is, how did McClung get out of wearing the hot pink shoes?
Apparently not as secure in his masculinity as the rest of his teammates.
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Not Big East but NC just scored 20 in a row against Buzz......45-31 NC at the half.
Put his point guard back in with 2 fouls and picked up 3rd almost immediately.........I think most coaches will take that gamble unless they have tremendous depth......just backfired this time.
I thought Buzz was a great coach. There's no way a high major level coach would ever let an opponent go on a 19-0 run.
At least that's what I've been told.
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Nice road win for Creighton against Georgetown. I enjoy watching these high scoring Creighton shoot outs . I think it is good for the league.
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So what is keeping MU's NET ranking so low? The two blow out road losses? As I watch it it seems like whenever MU wins there's almost little effect on their net ranking.. at first I thought it was because they hadn't won a road game but then they beat Creighton and then they beat Georgetown on the road and it did nothing for their net ranking
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I thought Buzz was a great coach. There's no way a high major level coach would ever let an opponent go on a 19-0 run.
At least that's what I've been told.
Not sure why all the VT love. They have been destroyed by the 2 teams who actually have more than a pulse. What an awful schedule they’ve played thus far. (Aside from their best win against a struggling Purdue at the time)
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So what is keeping MU's NET ranking so low? The two blow out road losses? As I watch it it seems like whenever MU wins there's almost little effect on their net ranking.. at first I thought it was because they hadn't won a road game but then they beat Creighton and then they beat Georgetown on the road and it did nothing for their net ranking
Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.
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I thought Buzz was a great coach. There's no way a high major level coach would ever let an opponent go on a 19-0 run.
At least that's what I've been told.
remember the Louisville Meltdown/Lava Flow? We were ahead by about 22 or 23 with about 6 1/2 minutes left and Buzz blew it out his kielbasa.
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Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.
At some point, the reality is that WE DON'T. So put that in your effin' computer model b*tch!
(Not you TAMU.... them.)
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remember the Louisville Meltdown/Lava Flow? We were ahead by about 22 or 23 with about 6 1/2 minutes left and Buzz blew it out his kielbasa.
It was 18pt lead 5:45 left. Just saw my sophomore year Facebook status about the game a couple days ago. Still hurts
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At some point you would think our wins over Louisville, K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo would start to help us out in the net rankings. K-State would be a top 15 team just like when we beat them if they weren't down 2 starters for multiple games including Wade who was out like 6.
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Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.
Why should we be punished because we refuse to humiliate our opponents by running up the score? ;)
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Their NET is significantly higher than all the other computer rankings. And yes, put simply its because when we lose, we get blown out but when we win, we only win by a few points. Personally, I think 21 is pretty right on the money for this team. NET is off for many other teams but not for us IMHO.
I agree with this analysis.
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At some point you would think our wins over Louisville, K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo would start to help us out in the net rankings. K-State would be a top 15 team just like when we beat them if they weren't down 2 starters for multiple games including Wade who was out like 6.
Yeah the Wade injury hurt them and us. Kstate is clearly better than their NET indicates.
Hopefully they stay hot and beat TT tonight
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So what is keeping MU's NET ranking so low? The two blow out road losses? As I watch it it seems like whenever MU wins there's almost little effect on their net ranking.. at first I thought it was because they hadn't won a road game but then they beat Creighton and then they beat Georgetown on the road and it did nothing for their net ranking
I suspect it's because we're winning games we're supposed to win. I don't think margin matters a ton, certainly not as much as people are saying, because our RPI is 18. I don't think beating Creighton, Georgetown, Providence, and (DLTD) DePaul will move the dial much. The teams that make bigger jumps are doing so in the ACC and Big 10 that have conferences loaded with depth.
I think our best chance to move up in that regard is to keep winning and hope teams we played do the same. Another thing that hurts is our buy opponents haven't helped us much. Presbyterian is the only one close to top-200 status. The rest are all sub-250 and 4/6 have losing conference records.
While the Buffalo win was the single best buy game value for any team in the nation this year, we'd really be well served by having teams like Charleston Southern, Bethune Cookman, North Dakota and UMBC competing in their leagues.
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Why should we be punished because we refuse to humiliate our opponents by running up the score? ;)
We shouldn't, but who really cares. Will the NET tell which team is a good or a bad match up come selection Sunday? Would you rather have a high NET rank because you clobbered your opponents then lose the National Championship game by one? The only real result that matters is who scored the most when the clock runs out. So just keep winning.
Duh!
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I suspect it's because we're winning games we're supposed to win. I don't think margin matters a ton, certainly not as much as people are saying, because our RPI is 18. I don't think beating Creighton, Georgetown, Providence, and (DLTD) DePaul will move the dial much. The teams that make bigger jumps are doing so in the ACC and Big 10 that have conferences loaded with depth.
I think our best chance to move up in that regard is to keep winning and hope teams we played do the same. Another thing that hurts is our buy opponents haven't helped us much. Presbyterian is the only one close to top-200 status. The rest are all sub-250 and 4/6 have losing conference records.
While the Buffalo win was the single best buy game value for any team in the nation this year, we'd really be well served by having teams like Charleston Southern, Bethune Cookman, North Dakota and UMBC competing in their leagues.
I suspect you are right on the money. However, I thought UW beating Michigan would have impacted MU's NET to some extent, yet it had almost zero effect. I also would think that beating UW and Buffalo and K State would impact their NET ranking more than it has. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter...EXCEPT if it is used to seed teams..And since I don't trust the committee, and never have, never will..I could see them looking at MU being #21 in NET(at end of year hypothetically) and going "Yup...the top 6 seed'. When in reality, they should be(if the season ended today) no worse than a 4 seed, IMO.
You think their NET ranking is right on...maybe so, but if you ask me...they are closer to being as good as their AP ranking is currently(#12), then they are as low as their NET ranking has them(#21).
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I suspect you are right on the money. However, I thought UW beating Michigan would have impacted MU's NET to some extent, yet it had almost zero effect. I also would think that beating UW and Buffalo and K State would impact their NET ranking more than it has. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter...EXCEPT if it is used to seed teams..And since I don't trust the committee, and never have, never will..I could see them looking at MU being #21 in NET(at end of year hypothetically) and going "Yup...the top 6 seed'. When in reality, they should be(if the season ended today) no worse than a 4 seed, IMO.
You think their NET ranking is right on...maybe so, but if you ask me...they are closer to being as good as their AP ranking is currently(#12), then they are as low as their NET ranking has them(#21).
When the first NET came out we were sub-100 and have climbed from there. As nice as UW-M's win was, remember they were ranked I think 4th in NET when we beat them and are now 16th. I think it would help for UW-M to get back to Q1A status and KSU into Q1B, but I still think what drags us are the 6 lowest wins. We're great on high end quality, but too many low Q4s for my taste.
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Big game for Butler tonight versus Villanova. Sold out crowd. Butler swept the Wildcats last season.
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I’m not one to think the seeding will be paint-by-numbers with the NET. What’s the point of having a Committee if there are no decisions to make? And how do you explain Syracuse the last few years? I can’t believe that if Wisconsin finishes in the lower half of the B1G, how would the Committee view a 16 NET? If Buffalo doesn’t lose again this season, how would the strength of their schedule be compared to ours? Not gonna worry about it. As folks say, just keep winning and the rest will take care of itself.
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Still lots of time in this game.
But Nova looks good again.
If they win this one on the road. They will be tough to beat in the standings
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Big game for Butler tonight versus Villanova. Sold out crowd. Butler swept the Wildcats last season.
The Butler snake pit environment is a good thing for the Big East. Would like to see Butler win, it is 61-56 with 7:59 left in the game.
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NET rankings came out late today. Here they are as of Sunday January 21 games. MU moved up to 19.
New Old
19 21 Marquette
28 28 Villanova
40 42 St. John's
44 43 Butler
56 56 Seton Hall
62 63 Creighton
80 80 Xavier
84 83 Providence
96 94 DePaul
103 95 Georgetown
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I do want to win the conference but it's really not the worst thing building a big lead on everyone but Nova. It is possible that after tomorrow 8 conference teams will have at least 4 losses
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I do want to win the conference but it's really not the worst thing building a big lead on everyone but Nova. It is possible that after tomorrow 8 conference teams will have at least 4 losses
It’s gonna be tough for us to fall out of top 2 regardless. It’s nice if Nova loses a few not just to try and win 1st. But so that other teams can get solid wins(that aren’t us).
A butler win tonight woulda helped them and it also woulda made a potential win vs Butler better for us.
But you’re right. Not the end of the world.
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I find myself rooting for the underdog in BE play (except when MU involved of course). For some reason MU Going 18-0 and everyone else 8-10 is my perfect BE year.
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Big East Net Rankings after games of Tuesday January 22. Villanova moved up, MU moved down.
New Old
21 19 Marquette
24 28 Villanova
38 40 St. John's
47 44 Butler
56 56 Seton Hall
62 62 Creighton
78 80 Xavier
80 84 Providence
95 96 DePaul
107 103 Georgetown
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Cooley & Company hanging in there on the road against X. Up 62-52 with 3:35 left in the game
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Prov survives
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Cooley comes through .
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Prov survives
Possibly more accurately, Providence wasn't able to complete the loss. They tried but came up short and won
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That final minute of PC - X was horrendous by both sides. 4 straight turnovers in a 1 possession game, and it only got uglier.
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Other than MU and Nova, every team in BE with 4 losses and either 2 or 3 wins. Weird.
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Other than MU and Nova, every team in BE with 4 losses and either 2 or 3 wins. Weird.
Parity
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Other than MU and Nova, every team in BE with 4 losses and either 2 or 3 wins. Weird.
It is really weird looking at the standings and seeing that
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Parity
More like mediocrity.
If MU and Nova continue to add up wins, the conference may only get one other bid.
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Right now, there are 2 teams and all the rest. Good win tonight.
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More like mediocrity.
If MU and Nova continue to add up wins, the conference may only get one other bid.
I feel like 10-8 gets Hall and Providence in. St Johns needs more.
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I feel like 10-8 gets Hall and Providence in. St Johns needs more.
Not sold on Providence. Don't see them going 8-4 the rest of the way. Also, they already lost to Nova at home. They really need to beat MU at home for a signature win.
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More like mediocrity.
If MU and Nova continue to add up wins, the conference may only get one other bid.
There’s pretty much a zero percent chance of this occurring. 6 more likely than 2.
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There’s pretty much a zero percent chance of this occurring. 6 more likely than 2.
This. Currently a 0.6% chance of only getting 2 bids. 3.7% chance of getting 6.
Keep this bookmarked.
http://barttorvik.com/tourneycast.php?conlimit=BE&date=20190123&sort=1 (http://barttorvik.com/tourneycast.php?conlimit=BE&date=20190123&sort=1)
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There’s pretty much a zero percent chance of this occurring. 6 more likely than 2.
Never said two bids. But, if the rest of the conference continues to beat up on each other, it's not crazy to think that only one other team joins MU and Nova in the tournament.
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Big East NET rankings as of Wednesday January 23 games. Cooley & Company road win helped their cause.
New Old
20 21 Marquette
24 24 Villanova
39 38 St. John's
48 47 Butler
56 56 Seton Hall
61 62 Creighton
73 80 Providence
83 78 Xavier
93 95 DePaul
106 107 Georgetown
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Big East NET rankings as of Wednesday January 23 games. Cooley & Company road win helped their cause.
New Old
20 21 Marquette
24 24 Villanova
39 38 St. John's
48 47 Butler
56 56 Seton Hall
61 62 Creighton
73 80 Providence
83 78 Xavier
93 95 DePaul
106 107 Georgetown
If only MU was 19--the BE would have one team in each grouping of 10 (though I'd rather that it started under 10!)
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I think best for the Big East for Butler to get the road win against Creighton on Friday.
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I think best for the Big East for Butler to get the road win against Creighton on Friday.
I wonder what would be best for the BE. Obviously I want MU to win every game but after that I generally root for the underdog. What happens to the BE if everyone is ~8-10 besides MU? Will outsiders use the word “parity” or “mediocrity”?
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I wonder what would be best for the BE. Obviously I want MU to win every game but after that I generally root for the underdog. What happens to the BE if everyone is ~8-10 besides MU? Will outsiders use the word “parity” or “mediocrity”?
They would use the word "elite" to describe MU, which is all that matters.
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I think I want Butler because I'd rather have them coming off a good road win than being desperate at home.
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There are two locks for the tournament in this conference. mu and nova. Then there are 4 or 5 bubble ish teams. Butler just isn't that good this year. I think everyone including the team should be confident to win next week against them. Big east is down this year. Let's run the damn table :)
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There are two locks for the tournament in this conference. mu and nova. Then there are 4 or 5 bubble ish teams. Butler just isn't that good this year. I think everyone including the team should be confident to win next week against them. Big east is down this year. Let's run the damn table :)
Butler losing to Creighton at Creighton, 64-55 with 4:24 left in game
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I wonder what would be best for the BE. Obviously I want MU to win every game but after that I generally root for the underdog. What happens to the BE if everyone is ~8-10 besides MU? Will outsiders use the word “parity” or “mediocrity”?
Outsiders? Everyone will use "mediocrity". If things continue on the present pace, the Big East will be reminiscent go big Ten football back in the day. We'll be the big 2 and the little 8. Not great for the league but as long as we're one of the big 2 I'm OK with it.
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Creighton showing signs of life with the home win versus Butler. Parity .
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Happened to catch the postgame show.
Lavin said Marquette is the most improved defensive team in the country, but he picked Nova to win the league title.
Marshall picked Marquette.
Both were very complimentary about our Warriors in general.
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I feel like Creighton will be a yo-yo team in and out of the field the rest of the year. Lose 4 straight, now won 2 straight in the middle of what could be a 4-game winning streak. Follow that with 3 road games, then 4/6 at home to finish the season. They'll likely be somewhere between the last four byes and next four out until Selection Sunday.
We will be facing a desperate Butler team next week. Lost 6/9 and after hosting us and Seton Hall, they're on the road 5 of their last 8.
The way the schedule plays out, I'm inclined to think Marquette, Villanova, and Seton Hall are in pretty good shape with Creighton and St John's most likely to join them. But nothing from 3-6 would surprise me.
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I feel like Creighton will be a yo-yo team in and out of the field the rest of the year. Lose 4 straight, now won 2 straight in the middle of what could be a 4-game winning streak. Follow that with 3 road games, then 4/6 at home to finish the season. They'll likely be somewhere between the last four byes and next four out until Selection Sunday.
We will be facing a desperate Butler team next week. Lost 6/9 and after hosting us and Seton Hall, they're on the road 5 of their last 8.
The way the schedule plays out, I'm inclined to think Marquette, Villanova, and Seton Hall are in pretty good shape with Creighton and St John's most likely to join them. But nothing from 3-6 would surprise me.
The local media in Omaha headlines that Creighton moves into tie for third in the Big East. Good for the league to see the excitement and enthusiasm build in a season like this. Creighton has a fan friendly style of play which always makes their games worth watching.
https://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/creighton-basketball-defeats-butler-to-move-into-tie-for-third/article_73d84da1-7e85-532a-a153-11418e107e55.html
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I think Butler's non conference gives them more wiggle room then Creighton to make the dance. The Jays have zero Q1 wins and likely only have three more opportunities to get them.
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If the conference is all knotted up in the middle, what are the chances that DePaul could be the team to emerge from the pack? Do they have any hope of the tournament if they wind up 11-7 or 10-8?
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If the conference is all knotted up in the middle, what are the chances that DePaul could be the team to emerge from the pack. Do they have any hope of the tournament is they wind up 11-7 or 10-8?
I was wondering that the other day too. There’s a spot for them to make a run there if they really played well, but I don’t think anyone believes they won’t DePaul it.
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If the conference is all knotted up in the middle, what are the chances that DePaul could be the team to emerge from the pack? Do they have any hope of the tournament if they wind up 11-7 or 10-8?
No at 10-8, 11-7 could start to get real interesting. Weirdly enough the fans from every other big east school would know before the students and most alumni from depaul
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If MU and Villanova can continue to be dominant the rest of the league will have some chances to pick up good quality wins.
For illustration purposes let’s say each goes 14-4. That is 8 quality wins for someone else in conference.
The question is who of those other teams can cobble together a run of 2 or 4 games.
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If the conference is all knotted up in the middle, what are the chances that DePaul could be the team to emerge from the pack? Do they have any hope of the tournament if they wind up 11-7 or 10-8?
I haven't compared them to the other schools in the middle, but I just looked at DePaul's nonconference schedule and it was abysmal.
Their most impressive win might be Penn State...which is in 14th place in the Big Twelethirfourteen. And they have losses to BC (9th in the ACC), NW (9th in the Big Twelethirfourteen), and ND (14th in the ACC). They didn't play any major schools that are even in the top half of their respective conferences.
IMHO, DePaul has to win 12+ BE games to have a shot.
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This would be a big loss for Butler
https://amp.indystar.com/amp/2691521002?__twitter_impression=true
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This would be a big loss for Butler
https://amp.indystar.com/amp/2691521002?__twitter_impression=true
Yea well, thought Marshall was going to be out in the second half and ends up having his best shooting night of his career.
Knowing Hinkle, he wont play all game and end up being put in, in the final 30 seconds to hit a game winning three...
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Big East Net Rankings through games of Friday January 25. Creighton moved up a little and Butler moved down. Looks like Butler Seton Hall and Creighotn are all bunched in the 50s range. It seems One of them has to go on a run of wins to get out of that range.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
23 23 Villanova
39 40 St. John's
52 47 Butler
56 55 Seton Hall
58 63 Creighton
72 72 Providence
86 85 Xavier
97 96 DePaul
105 105 Georgetown
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Big East Net Rankings through games of Friday January 25. Creighton moved up a little and Butler moved down. Looks like Butler Seton Hall and Creighotn are all bunched in the 50s range. It seems One of them has to go on a run of wins to get out of that range.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
23 23 Villanova
39 40 St. John's
52 47 Butler
56 55 Seton Hall
58 63 Creighton
72 72 Providence
86 85 Xavier
97 96 DePaul
105 105 Georgetown
Dumb question and I think I know the answer but can someone confirm what equates to Q1, Q2, etc wins and losses in terms of Net?
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Dumb question and I think I know the answer but can someone confirm what equates to Q1, Q2, etc wins and losses in terms of Net?
Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240.
Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus
Here are the actual team sheets
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Games%20through%20January%2025,%202019.pdf
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Seriously, at this point I could not care less if two or ten BE teams make NCAA. MU has sealed their ticket and playing for seeding. MU’s future success this season is right in their lap. They continue to win, which should not be an issue, then off to March. It is nice to see MU in the drivers seat and not worrying about nine other teams winning or losing. Bottom line, if they do their job, they have a great seed and then see what happens.
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If MU and Villanova can continue to be dominant the rest of the league will have some chances to pick up good quality wins.
For illustration purposes let’s say each goes 14-4. That is 8 quality wins for someone else in conference.
The question is who of those other teams can cobble together a run of 2 or 4 games.
In this scenario, 2 of those 8 quality wins will be the head-to-head games between MU and Villanova. And St. John's already has a win against MU.
That leaves only five chances left.
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Seriously, at this point I could not care less if two or ten BE teams make NCAA. MU has sealed their ticket and playing for seeding. MU’s future success this season is right in their lap. They continue to win, which should not be an issue, then off to March. It is nice to see MU in the drivers seat and not worrying about nine other teams winning or losing. Bottom line, if they do their job, they have a great seed and then see what happens.
The stronger the Big East the better it is for MU as a program. So I always care about how the league is going . I have felt all season, this was the year MU could control its own destiny and not have to worry about other teams and they have done just that so far this season, which is fantastic.
I also enjoy following all the teams in the league, makes it interesting. The depth of the conference, the rivalries and the colorful coaches are what made the Big East a great league. This new incarnation of the league is moving steadily in that same direction.
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Herman
All good points. I was simply stating that for the next four weeks MU is in a drivers seat it has not seen in awhile. Of course I hope BE gets bids, but right now, I am focusing only on MU. It has been awhile since MU could be a little cocky and I’m going to enjoy it.
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Herman
All good points. I was simply stating that for the next four weeks MU is in a drivers seat it has not seen in awhile. Of course I hope BE gets bids, but right now, I am focusing only on MU. It has been awhile since MU could be a little cocky and I’m going to enjoy it.
I am loving every second of it.
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Quadrant 1A: Home 1-15; Neutral 1-25; Away 1-40.
Quadrant 1B: Home 16-30; Neutral 26-50; Away 41-75
Quadrant 2A: Home 31-55; Neutral 51-75; Away 76-100.
Quadrant 2B: Home 56-75; Neutral 76-100; Away 101-135
Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240.
Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus
FIFY ;)
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FOX College Tip Off starts on FOX and FS1 at 10:30am.
Inside the Big East @3:30pm on FOX.
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FOX College Tip Off starts on FOX and FS1 at 10:30am.
Inside the Big East @3:30pm on FOX.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/01/24/seton-hall-villanova-basketball/2666943002/
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Reeves is back
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Reeves is back
Good news for Providence.
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Providence rolling DePaul so far
Gtown and SJU is a back and forth battle for the first 14 min.
Prov and SJU wins are best for the league today
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Flipping back and forth to both games today and was thinking that the play has really stepped up in the Big East. The perception that this is a down year may be true but in reality I think these teams are young and getting better. MU will be more than prepared to make a run in the NCAA tournament by playing a round robin schedule in this league, down year or not.
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Seriously, at this point I could not care less if two or ten BE teams make NCAA. MU has sealed their ticket and playing for seeding. MU’s future success this season is right in their lap. They continue to win, which should not be an issue, then off to March. It is nice to see MU in the drivers seat and not worrying about nine other teams winning or losing. Bottom line, if they do their job, they have a great seed and then see what happens.
Short term, longer term.
Short term: Agree with respect to MU doing fine if we just take care of business. This season is ours to do with what we can.
Longer term: The more BE teams that make the dance, the more $$$$ we all get down the road. And the more $$$$ we get down the road, the more we can invest in the program.
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SJU in trouble in a pretty must win game for them.
Down 5 with 10 to go.
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Prov gets the win they had to have
SJU still on the ropes
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Reeves 11 points in 11 minutes for Cooley& Company. Much needed win.
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PC with Reaves is really good. That could very well be a loss at the Dunk.
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Four shots for St. John's at point blank and they miss, G Town with a breakaway dunk. Incredible how Johnnies didn't score there to tie the game.
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The Johnnies have lost their Mojo.
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Not Big East but Michigan State has been just dominant since they lost to Louisville......getting whipped at Purdue right now 48-26.
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SJU is in massive trouble now.
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Which means there are still only two teams at or above a .500 conference record. Such a ridiculous year.
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Very tough loss for St. John's in a filled up Madison Square Garden. You got to win a rivalry game like that. Next three games. @Creighton @Duke, @Marquette.
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St John's playing themselves out of tourney. 3 bid league doesn't sound silly anymore
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St John's playing themselves out of tourney. 3 bid league doesn't sound silly anymore
It was never gonna be SJU. Marquette, Nova, Providence and Seton Hall were all most likely.
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St John's playing themselves out of tourney. 3 bid league doesn't sound silly anymore
Hard to make a projection at this point beyond MU and Nova. Really need to see how the rest of the teams finish out their schedule and The Big East tournament. The Johnnies need to string together a three game winning streak somewhere along the line.
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Right now, every team other than MU and Nova has 3 conf wins.
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Seton Hall is playing for a bid today with the win. If they win @ nova with wins against Maryland and Kentucky i would say a .500 record in conference would make them a lock.
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It was never gonna be SJU. Marquette, Nova, Providence and Seton Hall were all most likely.
What do you mean never? They were 12-1 and ranked. Then they smoked us. Lot of people expected them to compete for a be title
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Hall killing themselves with TOs
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It was never gonna be SJU. Marquette, Nova, Providence and Seton Hall were all most likely.
In every discussion I have had it was always st. johns. Providence was never even in the equation until today.
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What do you mean never? They were 12-1 and ranked. Then they smoked us. Lot of people expected them to compete for a be title
A rothstein tweet that didn’t age well...
St. John's has the best roster in the Big East and it may not be close. The Red Storm roll Marquette by 20 in Jamaica. Quad 1 win. #SJUBB
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A rothstein tweet that didn’t age well...
St. John's has the best roster in the Big East and it may not be close. The Red Storm roll Marquette by 20 in Jamaica. Quad 1 win. #SJUBB
At least he got the Quad 1 part right. Misses like this should keep him “Hungry and Humble.”
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EDIT: Yeah...wrote this earlier and posted it now. Well documented that the Johnnies are in trouble. Feeling a bit more confident about my 7th place prediction for them now.
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St John's playing themselves out of tourney. 3 bid league doesn't sound silly anymore
Mullins really doesn't control that team.
Down 2, run a press, get a TO, Ponds gets it and immediately tries a behind the back pass while on the floor, OOB to GT. Immediately after, they trap on the other end of the floor, force another TO, Figueora forces up a leaning, off balance transition 3, missed, 2 more wild putback attempts with the ENTIRE team crashing the glass so a simple rebound and pass leads to a 3 on 0 break and McClung dunks it. Next possession another quick and wild shot leads to another 2 on 1 break and a layup.
They have a very athletic team and Ponds is excellent, but if they aren't shooting really well, they have no clue what to do.
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SH has 20 points and almost as many turnovers, 14. SH has shot 1 for its last 11. Only down 10, should be 25. Just ugly.
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It is very likely that st. Johns is going go on a 4 game losing streak. They have @ Creighton @ duke @ Marqutte. Its very likely they end that stretch being 15-8 (3-7)
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EDIT: Yeah...wrote this earlier and posted it now. Well documented that the Johnnies are in trouble. Feeling a bit more confident about my 7th place prediction for them now.
One of the most over hyped, over rated teams in the country going into this year...I know everyone assumed a loss at SJU when MU played them, but now you see why that one sticks in my craw so much...they aren't, and never have been that good. Rothstein saying they had the best roster in the Big east was a joke at the time he said it...he beat that drum before the season too once Heron was deemed eligible...I simply tweeted back at him "Marquette says hi Jon". MU is the most talented team in the BE...not sure why so many couldn't see that.
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crap show for seton hall.
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One of the most over hyped, over rated teams in the country going into this year...I know everyone assumed a loss at SJU when MU played them, but now you see why that one sticks in my craw so much...they aren't, and never have been that good. Rothstein saying they had the best roster in the Big east was a joke at the time he said it...he beat that drum before the season too once Heron was deemed eligible...I simply tweeted back at him "Marquette says hi Jon". MU is the most talented team in the BE...not sure why so many couldn't see that.
Last few years SJU has grabbed some scalps, especially in NYC, including Duke last year. Talent is there, teams can get hot.
We will lose again, these kids are not robots, we will lose some games we probably shouldn’t and win some games we probably shouldn’t.
Sports...it happens. Whether you think they were overhyped or not doesn’t change the fact that ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can beat any other team in this league.
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Last few years SJU has grabbed some scalps, especially in NYC, including Duke last year. Talent is there, teams can get hot.
We will lose again, these kids are not robots, we will lose some games we probably shouldn’t and win some games we probably shouldn’t.
Sports...it happens. Whether you think they were overhyped or not doesn’t change the fact that ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can beat any other team in this league.
I don't think there's a game on the schedule that we "should not" win but I get what you're saying
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Last few years SJU has grabbed some scalps, especially in NYC, including Duke last year. Talent is there, teams can get hot.
We will lose again, these kids are not robots, we will lose some games we probably shouldn’t and win some games we probably shouldn’t.
Sports...it happens. Whether you think they were overhyped or not doesn’t change the fact that ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can beat any other team in this league.
I absolutely do NOT disagree with that at all...any team can beat any team...but this was a roster talent discussion...and MU has the most talented roster in the BE. Jon Rothstein said it was SJU, I NEVER agreed with that...always thought it was MU.
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Seton Hall's trip to Villanova today:
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I absolutely do NOT disagree with that at all...any team can beat any team...but this was a roster talent discussion...and MU has the most talented roster in the BE. Jon Rothstein said it was SJU, I NEVER agreed with that...always thought it was MU.
Sorry, disagree. Villanova has the most talent, they are just young.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games Saturday January 26. Not much changed.
New Old
19 19 Marquette
21 23 Villanova
39 39 St. John's
50 52 Butler
57 58 Creighton
60 56 Seton Hall
72 72 Providence
86 86 Xavier
99 97 DePaul
109 105 Georgetown
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Sorry, disagree. Villanova has the most talent, they are just young.
Booth and Pascall are both 5 year players lmao.
And they are far and away the two best players
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Looking at the Big East standings and it is so great that we are in the group with 7 wins and not in that pack with 3 wins. Have to keep battling each possession.
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Sorry, disagree. Villanova has the most talent, they are just young.
You would be incorrect
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One of the most over hyped, over rated teams in the country going into this year...I know everyone assumed a loss at SJU when MU played them, but now you see why that one sticks in my craw so much...they aren't, and never have been that good. Rothstein saying they had the best roster in the Big east was a joke at the time he said it...he beat that drum before the season too once Heron was deemed eligible...I simply tweeted back at him "Marquette says hi Jon". MU is the most talented team in the BE...not sure why so many couldn't see that.
That loss was annoying but doesn’t bother me much. They likely beat one of the Nova championship teams that night if Nova wasn’t at their top. They flat out didn’t miss a critical shot and had mediocre shooters raining bombs
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EDIT: Yeah...wrote this earlier and posted it now. Well documented that the Johnnies are in trouble. Feeling a bit more confident about my 7th place prediction for them now.
Yep, if I remember correctly you were one of the first to call it. you're looking good.
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You would be incorrect
They have two super seniors that are studs. A 5 star freshman, along with several 4 star kids. Raw talent, I’m going with Nova. On defense they have shut down the elite players in this league which is frightening. Absolutely smothered them.
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Booth and Pascall are both 5 year players lmao.
And they are far and away the two best players
Villanova starts 2 5th year seniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. 6th man is a senior. One was rsci top 100 - Booth, #84
MU starts 1 4th year junior, 2 juniors, a sophomore and a freshman. 6th man is a senior. Four were rsci top 100 - J Hauser #57, Howard #71 (higher but for a late reclassification), Morrow #85 and S Hauser #94.
Looking at contributors, they are older and less talented.
They do have young talent farther down the bench - their 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th men were ranked 45th, 39th, 29th and 52nd. Only Matt Heldt (#96) was top 100 from the end of our bench. Maybe some of this young talent will emerge for Villanova down the stretch - but so far, not so much.
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Villanova starts 2 5th year seniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. 6th man is a senior. One was rsci top 100 - Booth, #84
MU starts 1 4th year junior, 2 juniors, a sophomore and a freshman. 6th man is a senior. Four were rsci top 100 - J Hauser #57, Howard #71 (higher but for a late reclassification), Morrow #85 and S Hauser #94.
Looking at contributors, they are older and less talented.
They do have young talent farther down the bench - their 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th men were ranked 45th, 39th, 29th and 52nd. Only Matt Heldt (#96) was top 100 from the end of our bench. Maybe some of this young talent will emerge for Villanova down the stretch - but so far, not so much.
I was talking about this earlier today-odd thing about Nova roster—no juniors
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Heck, we’re down to one senior in our class (plus our grad xfer) out of an incoming class of 5. It happens.
Also, Nova has the number 2 recruiting class in the country for 2019. They just keep reloading, so we gotta do the same.
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Coach Willard is getting nervous.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/seton-hall-gets-annihilated-in-its-biggest-test/
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I'll admit I was wrong about this year's BE. I thought there would be 6 teams clumped between 9 and 12 wins, with the bottom 4 clumped between 5 and 7 wins.
Marquette and Villanova have clearly separated from the pack. The rest of the teams are a hot mess. It will be interesting to see the rest of the season play out.
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Mullins really doesn't control that team.
Down 2, run a press, get a TO, Ponds gets it and immediately tries a behind the back pass while on the floor, OOB to GT. Immediately after, they trap on the other end of the floor, force another TO, Figueora forces up a leaning, off balance transition 3, missed, 2 more wild putback attempts with the ENTIRE team crashing the glass so a simple rebound and pass leads to a 3 on 0 break and McClung dunks it. Next possession another quick and wild shot leads to another 2 on 1 break and a layup.
They have a very athletic team and Ponds is excellent, but if they aren't shooting really well, they have no clue what to do.
To be fair, on that play they were out of time outs. He couldn't get up and he had to do something. A bad outcome was somewhat likely there.
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Villanova starts 2 5th year seniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. 6th man is a senior. One was rsci top 100 - Booth, #84
MU starts 1 4th year junior, 2 juniors, a sophomore and a freshman. 6th man is a senior. Four were rsci top 100 - J Hauser #57, Howard #71 (higher but for a late reclassification), Morrow #85 and S Hauser #94.
Looking at contributors, they are older and less talented.
They do have young talent farther down the bench - their 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th men were ranked 45th, 39th, 29th and 52nd. Only Matt Heldt (#96) was top 100 from the end of our bench. Maybe some of this young talent will emerge for Villanova down the stretch - but so far, not so much.
Do you consider Paschall a worse player than Morrow despite Morrow being a top 100 RSCI player? For that matter, do you think Morrow and Booth are essentially equal as their rating implies?
In terms of total talent, Nova has more but it is young, as you state. Our big 3 are up there, then throw in Theo as a rising star, but Nova has more of it dispersed throughout in my opinion.
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Coach Willard is getting nervous.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/seton-hall-gets-annihilated-in-its-biggest-test/
Nova is going to be a defensive challenge for us. I worry very much about our backcourt in those games.
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Got a kick out of the Xavier message board.
"I still say there's no reason we can't win the Crappy 8 this year. We should cut the nets on senior day and raise a banner if we do it, too."
"With a win yesterday, Xavier could have been alone in first in the Crappy Eight. Instead, we've fallen into a four way tie for last, a half half game out of first. It's going to be an interesting race all year long in the Crappy Eight. "
I am very happy to be in the non-crappy 2.
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Nova is going to be a defensive challenge for us. I worry very much about our backcourt in those games.
As long as the kids don't try to force things to happen and let the game come to them they will be fine. It is the hero ball that Nova traditionally exploits and leads to fast breaks etc. I think we will see a couple of runs of that large lineup that we saw at Georgetown, the one that was Theo, Sam , Joey, Bailey and Sacar.
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KampusFoods
At this moment, I am not worried about playing anyone in the Crappy 8. I am not even that worried about playing 'Nova two times over next couple of weeks. I really wish they had two real solid NC games over next couple of weeks to see how they fare against other teams ranked in the top 15. Since we don't, I hope we get the best that 'Nova has to offer two times and see what happens.
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KampusFoods
At this moment, I am not worried about playing anyone in the Crappy 8. I am not even that worried about playing 'Nova two times over next couple of weeks. I really wish they had two real solid NC games over next couple of weeks to see how they fare against other teams ranked in the top 15. Since we don't, I hope we get the best that 'Nova has to offer two times and see what happens.
I have felt for some time we can control our own destiny by virtue of the fact that every game we play is realistically winnable. We have to stay focused on the Crappy 8 teams as those guys are going to be gunning for us. They have the potential to really screw up any potential good seeding we have.
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Nova is going to be a defensive challenge for us. I worry very much about our backcourt in those games.
Agreed.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Sunday January 27. Georgetown took a huge leap up and The Johnnies got punished.
New Old
19 19 Marquette
21 21 Villanova
49 39 St. John's
50 50 Butler
58 57 Creighton
64 60 Seton Hall
73 72 Providence
83 86 Xavier
88 109 Georgetown
102 99 DePaul
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Do you consider Paschall a worse player than Morrow despite Morrow being a top 100 RSCI player? For that matter, do you think Morrow and Booth are essentially equal as their rating implies?
In terms of total talent, Nova has more but it is young, as you state. Our big 3 are up there, then throw in Theo as a rising star, but Nova has more of it dispersed throughout in my opinion.
Their young talent doesn’t much contribute this year tho.
Their main contributors are 2 guys who are gone next year. Then it’s Gillespie who while a sophomore he got solid PT on a natty title team.
Novas Big 3 of Booth, Paschall and Gillepsie is no younger or more talented than Howard and the Hauser duo. Nova is much older actually.
Our role players are a little more experienced since they play Bey a freshman and our freshman is in our big 3.
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Herman
Agreed. I am just saying that they have the ability to beat those teams. Not saying it will be easy, but more than one or two slips against the Crappy 8 should not happen. Again, I am more interested on how we will do against teams not in the Crappy 8.
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Crappy 8 reminds me of when the Big Ten actually had 10 teams, but Michigan and Ohio State were so dominant in football that it was sometimes referred to as the Big 2 and Little 8. But give ourselves more credit - I'd rather think of the BEast right now as the Exceptional 2 and Normal 8.
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I have felt for some time we can control our own destiny by virtue of the fact that every game we play is realistically winnable. We have to stay focused on the Crappy 8 teams as those guys are going to be gunning for us. They have the potential to really screw up any potential good seeding we have.
The crazy thing is, pretty sure any of the "Crappy 8" could beat pretty much any team not ranked in the top 10-15 on any given night. Every team in the BE is a legit top 75 team.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Sunday January 27. Georgetown took a huge leap up and The Johnnies got punished.
New Old
19 19 Marquette
21 21 Villanova
49 39 St. John's
50 50 Butler
58 57 Creighton
64 60 Seton Hall
73 72 Providence
83 86 Xavier
88 109 Georgetown
102 99 DePaul
Thanks for the research on this. It would be great if GTOWN and Xavier could get up to 75 to add to our Q1 win total.
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Thanks for the research on this. It would be great if GTOWN and Xavier could get up to 75 to add to our Q1 win total.
No. Gtown and Xavier winning games is not good for anyone in the league, unless you support a two bid Big East.
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No. Gtown and Xavier winning games is not good for anyone in the league, unless you support a two bid Big East.
At this point, I’m cheering for what helps MU’s seed. I’m fine with sacrificing a tournament team for a better seed. I understand it costs some tourney credits, but having cheered for the conference the last 4 years, it’s good to cheer for our interests a bit.
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At this point, I’m cheering for what helps MU’s seed. I’m fine with sacrificing a tournament team for a better seed. I understand it costs some tourney credits, but having cheered for the conference the last 4 years, it’s good to cheer for our interests a bit.
I mean...so am I. Obviously I care far more about MU than other Big East teams. But whatever incremental benefit an X or Gtowns NET ranking gets from knocking off other BE teams isn't going to make a difference in MU's seeding. And in doing so is going to hurt those other team's NET rankings in the process, who MU play just as many times.
Its going to shake out how its going to shake out. Probably a 4 bid conference, with an outside shot at 5 if Hall, SJU and one of Butler/CU/PC wake the fuk up. But if its Marquette and Nova, and then 8 teams below .500...man, that's going to be gross for the league.
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No. Gtown and Xavier winning games is not good for anyone in the league, unless you support a two bid Big East.
The Hall has an excellent non conference resume and needs to regain their mojo. I think they can . Providence is a more formidable team with Reeves back. One of Creighton Butler and The Johnnies has to get on a winning streak . Xavier Georgetown and DePaul only real chance is to win BET.
One thing to keep in mind is a lot can happen over the next 10 or 11 games. So let’s see how things end up when the dust setttles.
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The Hall has an excellent non confidence resume and needs to regain their mojo. I think they can . Providence is a more formidable team with Reeves back. One of Creighton Butler and The Johnnies has to get on a winning streak . Xavier Georgetown and DePaul only real chance is to win BET.
One thing to keep in mind is a lot can happen over the next 10 or 11 games. So let’s see how things end up when the dust setttles.
This is probably why they are playing so poorly.
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LOL!
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This is probably why they are playing so poorly.
Correction noted and amended.
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This is a solid research report on the circumstances that Seton Hall seems to find itself in every year.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/01/29/seton-hall-basketball-providence/2698590002/
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But if its Marquette and Nova, and then 8 teams below .500...man, that's going to be gross for the league.
As long as we're not one of the 8, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it!
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As long as we're not one of the 8, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it!
That would require QUITE the collapse. Hiroshima indeed.
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Good PR for DePaul.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/01/24/pantelis-xidias-depaul-walk-bench-mob-celebration?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=sinow&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social
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8-0 run by Seton Hall. Pirates up 16-11 over Providence on FSN.
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Providence has open the 2nd half on a 20-6 run. Up by 7 on FSN.
Villanova 23-20 over DePaul on CBSSN.
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Powell with 31 points. Seton Hall beats Providence 65-63.
Villanova up at DePaul 51-38 on CBSSN
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Big win for Hall
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Did anyone else see the team picture for SHU after the game? Looked like the kind of thing you'd do after winning a conference title. Seemed odd.
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Big win for Hall
Which means Marquette and Nova are still the only two teams with a .500 record or better. Trend will continue with a St. Johns win over Creighton.
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Did anyone else see the team picture for SHU after the game? Looked like the kind of thing you'd do after winning a conference title. Seemed odd.
I did. Might be a copy cat of what some NFL teams do?
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Seton Hall needed that win over Cooley & Company.
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Johnnies rolling right now.
Creighton still has time for a run
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The Johnnies reclaim some of their mojo.
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Big East NET rankings as of games Wednesday January 30. NCAA has not disclosed the formula for NET will be interesting to see what truly drives the changes. It seems like teams get locked in shortly after the end of non conference and then very hard to change the ranking.
New Old
18 19 Marquette
21 22 Villanova
44 48 St. John's
55 51 Butler
62 57 Creighton
63 62 Seton Hall
72 72 Providence
86 84 Xavier
87 89 Georgetown
112 103 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of games Wednesday January 30. NCAA has not disclosed the formula for NET will be interesting to see what truly drives the changes. It seems like teams get locked in shortly after the end of non conference and then very hard to change the ranking.
Or is it that the non-con data currently comprises about half of the overall data, plus teams' performance through 1/3 of the season is often pretty similar to what it is after 2/3 of the season?
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I got this from a Villanova guy:
Villanova has a 26 game home winning streak against Seton Hall.
The last time Seton Hall won @ Nova, Mariano Rivera had just finished up his rookie ball season with the Yankees.
That streak covers the rest of Rivera's minor league career, his 19 year big league career and the five year wait for the HOF vote.
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I got this from a Villanova guy:
Villanova has a 26 game home winning streak against Seton Hall.
The last time Seton Hall won @ Nova, Mariano Rivera had just finished up his rookie ball season with the Yankees.
That streak covers the rest of Rivera's minor league career, his 19 year big league career and the five year wait for the HOF vote.
Nice streak but, but has Clemson ever won in Chapel Hill?
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Has UWM ever beat MU? Home or road.
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Has UWM ever beat MU? Home or road.
No it's the second longest one sided rivalry in NCAAB beaten by Syracuse Colgate
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Back to the BigEast...
we've discussed the possibility of only two over .500 in conference.
I would hope someone could play solid ball the last month and end up 9-9.
But for a winning 10-8 record, I'm not sure which team I would pick.
St John's or Seton Hall going 6-3? Providence 7-3?
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Back to the BigEast...
we've discussed the possibility of only two over .500 in conference.
I would hope someone could play solid ball the last month and end up 9-9.
But for a winning 10-8 record, I'm not sure which team I would pick.
St John's or Seton Hall going 6-3? Providence 7-3?
Hall has the best wins of those three. That's gotta be one of them. Unfortunately, Butler is probably out barring a miraculous run. Johnnies are the next option. Maybe providence can make a crazy run too, but I don't even know if that's mathematically possible.
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Not only are there only 2 teams above .500, there's also only 3 teams with only 1 less win then loss, meaning 5 teams are 2 or more losses down in the W column. Of those three teams that are 1 win away from .500, 2 have to go on the road for their next BE game (SJU @Marquette & Seton Hall @Butler), so they both could be in the two more losses than wins category soon. Georgetown is favored to get to .500 tonight at home vs Xavier...but then they have to go to Nova in a couple days. Could be awhile before we see a third team above .500.
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No it's the second longest one sided rivalry in NCAAB beaten by Syracuse Colgate
Incorrect. Syracuse has the longest winning streak, but Colgate has 45 wins over Syracuse. MU over UWM is the biggest one-sided rivalry.
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Incorrect. Syracuse has the longest winning streak, but Colgate has 45 wins over Syracuse. MU over UWM is the biggest one-sided rivalry.
I know it's a lose/lose proposition, but I do wish we'd continue to play UWM to drive that number even higher. It's not fun if we're not adding to it.
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Back to the BigEast...
we've discussed the possibility of only two over .500 in conference.
I would hope someone could play solid ball the last month and end up 9-9.
But for a winning 10-8 record, I'm not sure which team I would pick.
St John's or Seton Hall going 6-3? Providence 7-3?
How about Georgetown? With last night’s win over X, they are at .500, with a game in hand. It would be a surprise, but they are certainly playing better and have talent.
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How about Georgetown? With last night’s win over X, they are at .500, with a game in hand. It would be a surprise, but they are certainly playing better and have talent.
Well, this is what everyone expected in the new conference, Nova, Marquette, and Georgetown to run the show.
Took six years but looks like it's on the way to that.
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How about Georgetown? With last night’s win over X, they are at .500, with a game in hand. It would be a surprise, but they are certainly playing better and have talent.
I don't see it. Six of their remaining 10 are on the road & they host Villanova. I know they won a couple away already, but I think it's an uphill climb to get to 8-10.
On paper, it looks like Creighton or St John's, but I would put my money on Seton Hall. 4/5 losses were on the road & they get 5 more home games. They have the two toughest road games out of the way & have been solid away from home (6-5 away from Newark, wins over UK & Maryland).
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I don't see it. Six of their remaining 10 are on the road & they host Villanova. I know they won a couple away already, but I think it's an uphill climb to get to 8-10.
On paper, it looks like Creighton or St John's, but I would put my money on Seton Hall. 4/5 losses were on the road & they get 5 more home games. They have the two toughest road games out of the way & have been solid away from home (6-5 away from Newark, wins over UK & Maryland).
The Hall wins over Kentucky and Maryland will carry a lot of weight with committee if past practices prevail.
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The Hall wins over Kentucky and Maryland will carry a lot of weight with committee if past practices prevail.
Agreed, 9-9 should get them in. Those are big non-con feathers in the cap.
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Agreed, 9-9 should get them in. Those are big non-con feathers in the cap.
Coach Willard was also agitated about how their early Big East schedule was set up , they may come into a stretch of the schedule that is better for them.
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I’ve seen The Hall play several games—including us. Not that impressed. I don’t think they have it in them to make a nice run in the BEast. We’ll see.
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Hall was making a big run after being down double digits
Cale biffs a wide open dunk to cut it to 4. Butler nails a 3. Back to 9.
Also, can only watch the game on half screen. The other half is the two coaches coaching, wtf is that.
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Hall was making a big run after being down double digits
Cale biffs a wide open dunk to cut it to 4. Butler nails a 3. Back to 9.
Also, can only watch the game on half screen. The other half is the two coaches coaching, wtf is that.
Not even sure who I want to win this game. Was thinking Hall, but Hall probably gets in at 9-9 and another home loss for Butler would pretty much end any chances they have.
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Not even sure who I want to win this game. Was thinking Hall, but Hall probably gets in at 9-9 and another home loss for Butler would pretty much end any chances they have.
I don't think Butler has much of a chance either way, so probably Hall.
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These are the games Hall can't afford to lose.
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I don't think Butler has much of a chance either way, so probably Hall.
Realistic shot? Probably not. But they’re in the convo at 9-9 and probably within a few teams one way or the other at 10-8. I think that pretty much applies for any of Butler, PC and Creighton. Maybe even Gtown.
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Fox Sports is playing with fire having a live audio feed of the coaches during the Hall and Butler game.
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Butler in process of blowing this one.
Tie w 35 seconds left
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Didn’t know what thread to put this in, but NC State scored 24 points. In the entire game.
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Unless Seton Hall really goes on a run in the last 8 games I just don't see how they get in. Even with wins over Kentucky and Maryland, just watching them they do not play like a tournament team.
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Didn’t know what thread to put this in, but NC State scored 24 points. In the entire game.
That is insane
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Seton Hall is in at 9-9. Can they go 5-3? I don't know
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Didn’t know what thread to put this in, but NC State scored 24 points. In the entire game.
NC State shot 2-28 from the 3 point line, or 7.1%. Ouch. PS, just watched some lowlights from the game with ncsu shooting air balls.
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Seton Hall is in at 9-9. Can they go 5-3? I don't know
Butler was an easy one, didnt get off the bus until the second half.
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DePaul stole our "Thunderstruck" game start.
Too bad there is no one at the WinTrust to clap.
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I was reffing youth basketball so I didn't see any of the early games today ... and I'm more than a little surprised Seton Hall lost to Butler. Not as surprised Duke demolished St. John's. We're gonna do the same to the Johnnies!
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Didn’t know what thread to put this in, but NC State scored 24 points. In the entire game.
NC State scored 5 points in the final 14 minutes of the game at home.
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Markus Howard and the bench mob could have beaten NC State today.
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NC State scored 5 points in the final 14 minutes of the game at home.
Worse than that, it was 22-19 at the 18:35 mark. So over 18 and a half minutes with 5 points.
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Worse than that, it was 22-19 at the 18:35 mark. So over 18 and a half minutes with 5 points.
That is crazy! At NC State as well.
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If DePaul could pass and shoot, I swear they'd be a top 25 team
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That’s the nail in Providence coffin I think.
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Strus is such a flopper
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Strus is such a flopper
Are you talking about the intentional foul by Diallo? That was an unnecessary dirty play by Diallo. No reason for that down by 10 with 15 seconds left
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Are you talking about the intentional foul by Diallo? That was an unnecessary dirty play by Diallo. No reason for that down by 10 with 15 seconds left
Nah the play before on the PC fast break.
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Nah the play before on the PC fast break.
Gotcha. There was a flop but it was also a foul. Diallo didn't need to be anywhere near that play. I missed that Eli Cain elbow in real time doh
Depaul winning is bad for the conference but I was kinda pulling for them. It's hard not to cheer for a program that has been so bad for so long
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Gotcha. There was a flop but it was also a foul. Diallo didn't need to be anywhere near that play. I missed that Eli Cain elbow in real time doh
Depaul winning is bad for the conference but I was kinda pulling for them. It's hard not to cheer for a program that has been so bad for so long
Yep. But, another game with some really awful shooting by both sides.
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Yep. But, another game with some really awful shooting by both sides.
I'm also watching UCLA at Washington. It's in the first half and UCLA has 18 turnovers. Washington with 11.
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Gotcha. There was a flop but it was also a foul. Diallo didn't need to be anywhere near that play. I missed that Eli Cain elbow in real time doh
Depaul winning is bad for the conference but I was kinda pulling for them. It's hard not to cheer for a program that has been so bad for so long
No....that was 100% flop. There was absolutely not a foul. Strus sold that flop and hit the call.
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Do any of the BE bubble teams want an at large? Seriously.
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Do any of the BE bubble teams want an at large? Seriously.
Was thinking the same thing...the standings look crazy.
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If DePaul could pass and shoot, I swear they'd be a top 25 team
They were 86+% to win in the second half against Northwestern, BC, and Xavier. If DePaul holds on in those, they would unquestionably be in the field. Instead, they lost and are killing at large hopes for St John's, Seton Hall, & Providence. At this rate they could go 6-12 and effectively cost the league 3-4 potential bids.
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No....that was 100% flop. There was absolutely not a foul. Strus sold that flop and hit the call.
I saw it differently. Diallo came out of nowhere to run into Strus on a fast break. Strus sold it but Diallo should've stayed away. Jackson was getting that layup with our without him
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I saw it differently. Diallo came out of nowhere to run into Strus on a fast break. Strus sold it but Diallo should've stayed away. Jackson was getting that layup with our without him
Watch it again. All flop. That flop would make Davison envious.
Sure Diallo should have stayed on the other end.....still a terrible flop call.
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Bad parity day for the Big East all the teams that needed to win lost.
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Bad parity day for the Big East all the teams that needed to win lost.
Safe to say the big east is way down this year.
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The bottom eight teams are just mediocre as hell. You can just hope a few can maintain success over the years instead of just being good enough to sneak into the tourney every now and then
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The bottom eight teams are just mediocre as hell. You can just hope a few can maintain success over the years instead of just being good enough to sneak into the tourney every now and then
I would say that most of the bottom 8 have maintained success so far .
Providence has been in the tournament 5 years in a row. Butler has been in the tournament 4 years in a row and has won at least one game in each tournament appearance and has a sweet sixteen. Xavier has been in the tournament 5 years in a row with two sweet sixteens and a final 8. Seton Hall has been in the tournament 3 years in a row. Creighton has been in tournament 3 out of the last 5 years.
All of the Bottom 8 teams are young with a big ceilings.
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All of the Bottom 8 teams are young with a big ceilings.
This is the key to why I'm not worried about the Big East moving forward. The bottom 8 return most of their stars or have new stars waiting in the wings.
Butler: Only loses Paul Jorgensen (26.3 minutes per game) and Nate Fowler (17.9) and has Bryce Nzei (transfer from UWM) and Kalif Battle (top 100 FR) coming in
Creighton: Only loses Kaleb Joseph (12.6) and Connor Cashaw (9.3) and has Denzel Mahoney (transfer from SEMOST)
DePaul: Loses a ton with Strus (36.4), Cain (34.7), and Olujobi (25.8) leaving but brings in Darious Hall (transfer from Arkansas), Carte'Are Gordon (transfer from SLU), Romeo Weems (top 50 FR) and Markese Jacobs (top 100 FR)
Georgetown: Replaces Govan (32.2) with Omer Yurtseven (Impact transfer from NCST), loses Mourning (20), Malinowski (17.5), and Johnson (11.7)
Providence: Only loses Jackson (26.9) and Holt (6.0) and bring Greg Gantt (top 75 FR)
Seton Hall: Only loses Nzei (28.7) and replaces him with Ikey Obiagu (transfer from Florida State)
St. John's: Only loses Clark Jr (30.4) and has 5 transfers coming in
Xavier: Loses Castlin (22.5), Hankins (20.8), and Welage (20.7) brings in a 5 man recruiting class including 4 top 150 recruits
Looking at all this, I would say only DePaul and Georgetown may trend down while the other six will all be on the rise next season. Throw in Marquette returning everyone and adding McEwen, and Villanova adding the #2 ranked recruiting class and the Big East will be a bloodbath next season.
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Ponds will be gone too
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What ever happened to Holt? Was he just not able to fully recover? Feel like he would have been a major difference maker this year if he could have replicated his pre-injury production.
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Ponds will be gone too
Ponds is a junior. I am sure he will try out for NBA again, right now he is projected as a late second rounder so he may still stay for his senior year.
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Ponds will be gone too
Only if he likes being a second round pick or just wants to be done with school. Which he may.
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Heron definitely may bolt
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Georgetown up 34-33 at halftime at the Pavilion. It's early, but they are going toe-to-toe with the Wildcats so far.
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It's at Wells Fargo Center. This goes without saying , would be a huge win for the Hoyas.
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Georgetown up 34-33 at halftime at the Pavilion. It's early, but they are going toe-to-toe with the Wildcats so far.
McClung and Govan with 0 points on a combined 0-10 from the field yet Gtown up 1 at Nova at the half. Funny game sometimes.
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Nova getting going now
Gtown will need Govan and McClung
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Is there anyone more annoying that 5th year senior Phil Booth of Villanova?
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Is there anyone more annoying that 5th year senior Phil Booth of Villanova?
What makes him annoying besides the fact that it feels like he should of graduated 3 years ago?
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What makes him annoying besides the fact that it feels like he should of graduated 3 years ago?
Nothing other than what u stated.
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Nova getting going now
Gtown will need Govan and McClung
Too bad both guys played poorly for the Hoyas-Nova was beatable, not at their best today. Gillespie impressive.
Nova looks susceptible in the post at the center and possibly the forward spot. Hopefully Theo can play a role as well as the Hauser brothers for NMD.
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Markus has to guard either Gillespie or Booth. The match ups won't be as bad as last year when Markus was guarding Bridges or DD because Sacar had to guard Brunson. The good news is that they have to guard him, too.
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I'm glad they won. Now we can have a top 13 match up and give them their first conference loss Saturday
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This is the key to why I'm not worried about the Big East moving forward. The bottom 8 return most of their stars or have new stars waiting in the wings.
Butler: Only loses Paul Jorgensen (26.3 minutes per game) and Nate Fowler (17.9) and has Bryce Nzei (transfer from UWM) and Kalif Battle (top 100 FR) coming in
Creighton: Only loses Kaleb Joseph (12.6) and Connor Cashaw (9.3) and has Denzel Mahoney (transfer from SEMOST)
DePaul: Loses a ton with Strus (36.4), Cain (34.7), and Olujobi (25.8) leaving but brings in Darious Hall (transfer from Arkansas), Carte'Are Gordon (transfer from SLU), Romeo Weems (top 50 FR) and Markese Jacobs (top 100 FR)
Georgetown: Replaces Govan (32.2) with Omer Yurtseven (Impact transfer from NCST), loses Mourning (20), Malinowski (17.5), and Johnson (11.7)
Providence: Only loses Jackson (26.9) and Holt (6.0) and bring Greg Gantt (top 75 FR)
Seton Hall: Only loses Nzei (28.7) and replaces him with Ikey Obiagu (transfer from Florida State)
St. John's: Only loses Clark Jr (30.4) and has 5 transfers coming in
Xavier: Loses Castlin (22.5), Hankins (20.8), and Welage (20.7) brings in a 5 man recruiting class including 4 top 150 recruits
Looking at all this, I would say only DePaul and Georgetown may trend down while the other six will all be on the rise next season. Throw in Marquette returning everyone and adding McEwen, and Villanova adding the #2 ranked recruiting class and the Big East will be a bloodbath next season.
Paul Reed has emerged for DePaul and to a lesser extent, so has LeBlanc for Georgetown.
So much like this year, the floor for the conference is going to be relatively high.
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Creighton over Xavier. X now the first Big East team with losing record.
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This is the key to why I'm not worried about the Big East moving forward. The bottom 8 return most of their stars or have new stars waiting in the wings.
Butler: Only loses Paul Jorgensen (26.3 minutes per game) and Nate Fowler (17.9) and has Bryce Nzei (transfer from UWM) and Kalif Battle (top 100 FR) coming in
Creighton: Only loses Kaleb Joseph (12.6) and Connor Cashaw (9.3) and has Denzel Mahoney (transfer from SEMOST)
DePaul: Loses a ton with Strus (36.4), Cain (34.7), and Olujobi (25.8) leaving but brings in Darious Hall (transfer from Arkansas), Carte'Are Gordon (transfer from SLU), Romeo Weems (top 50 FR) and Markese Jacobs (top 100 FR)
Georgetown: Replaces Govan (32.2) with Omer Yurtseven (Impact transfer from NCST), loses Mourning (20), Malinowski (17.5), and Johnson (11.7)
Providence: Only loses Jackson (26.9) and Holt (6.0) and bring Greg Gantt (top 75 FR)
Seton Hall: Only loses Nzei (28.7) and replaces him with Ikey Obiagu (transfer from Florida State)
St. John's: Only loses Clark Jr (30.4) and has 5 transfers coming in
Xavier: Loses Castlin (22.5), Hankins (20.8), and Welage (20.7) brings in a 5 man recruiting class including 4 top 150 recruits
Looking at all this, I would say only DePaul and Georgetown may trend down while the other six will all be on the rise next season. Throw in Marquette returning everyone and adding McEwen, and Villanova adding the #2 ranked recruiting class and the Big East will be a bloodbath next season.
My concern about the league would center around the coaches. Holtman and Mack were big loses.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games Sunday February 3. Nova inching up steadily now in the teens. The best thing about this system is the league doesn't have any off the charts bad teams rankings wise. I wonder if DePaul would have done a thanksgiving tournament where their ranking would be.
New Old
18 18 Marquette
19 20 Villanova
45 45 St. John's
55 55 Butler
59 64 Creighton
68 68 Seton Hall
80 79 Providence
82 82 Georgetown
93 86 Xavier
102 104 DePaul
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Bummer Gtown schedule like cowards and didn’t burry some of those teams
They are definitely better than “82”.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Monday February 4.
New Old
18 18 Marquette
19 19 Villanova
45 45 St. John's
55 55 Butler
58 59 Creighton
67 68 Seton Hall
81 80 Providence
82 82 Georgetown
92 93 Xavier
102 102 DePaul
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DePaul: Loses a ton with Strus (36.4), Cain (34.7), and Olujobi (25.8) leaving but brings in Darious Hall (transfer from Arkansas), Carte'Are Gordon (transfer from SLU), Romeo Weems (top 50 FR) and Markese Jacobs (top 100 FR)
I missed the Gordon news. Nice get for Depaul.
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If GT loses at PR and CR loses at VN and SJ loses at MU .....very likely.
Then we have the big 2, X at 3-7 and everyone else at 4-6. That looks weirdly awful in the table. Someone has to rise and grab another bid. I’m wondering now if I was wrong to think more than 2 for the BE was a certainty.
In any case SJ will have to wait for their next win.
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If GT loses at PR and CR loses at VN and SJ loses at MU .....very likely.
Then we have the big 2, X at 3-7 and everyone else at 4-6. That looks weirdly awful in the table. Someone has to rise and grab another bid. I’m wondering now if I was wrong to think more than 2 for the BE was a certainty.
In any case SJ will have to wait for their next win.
Your chosen abbreviations are...interesting
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Tuesday February 5.
New Old
18 19 Villanova
21 18 Marquette
40 45 St. John's
55 55 Butler
58 58 Creighton
67 67 Seton Hall
79 82 Georgetown
81 81 Providence
92 92 Xavier
102 102 DePaul
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Your chosen abbreviations are...interesting
Ha, agreed. Rule of thumb: if you think your audience will have to pause to think about them, don't use them. That's somewhere in Strunk & White, right???
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Georgetown has a shot to make a run at a bid if they can finish in the 2nd half vs. PC
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6:10 left on CBSSN.
Creighton 43 Villanova 43.
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Jays up by 3 with 3:22 to go.
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Gtown wins.
I am pulling for Creighton.
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Not sure where to post this. Looks like Wisconsin's brad davison playing dirty.
https://twitter.com/habby831/status/1093333052217090049?s=21
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Nova wins in OT
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Gtown wins.
I am pulling for Creighton.
Man, they almost pulled it out. That would have been great for us.
Side note - bet the under Saturday!
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Not sure where to post this. Looks like Wisconsin's brad davison playing dirty.
https://twitter.com/habby831/status/1093333052217090049?s=21
Not here
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The main takeaway from that game is that nova is nothing to fear. They are absolutely beatable. Creighton and g town nearly beat them on the road. No reason we can't take care of them at home
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The main takeaway from that game is that nova is nothing to fear. They are absolutely beatable. Creighton and g town nearly beat them on the road. No reason we can't take care of them at home
For sure. Booth having a pretty bad night helps. Crazy Creighton was even in that game without Alexander and Zagerowski, arguably 2 of their best 3 players.
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The main takeaway from that game is that nova is nothing to fear. They are absolutely beatable. Creighton and g town nearly beat them on the road. No reason we can't take care of them at home
Pace is going to be extremely important. If we can get the game into the 70s we have a very good shot. 50s or 60s and we will struggle. Need good Markus to show up.
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Yep. Win Saturday and we will have every shot in this conference race
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Obviously, the narrative that had been building here that Nova had again become some unbeatable juggernaut was exposed as silliness tonight, when they were taken into OT at home by a mediocre Creighton team.
There is no great team in the BEast, and only two good teams. Nova is one of them, and we're the other.
If we play well -- not superhuman, not shooting 65% from 3s or anything like that, but well -- I like our chances.
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Callin' my shot- A refocused MU team in front of a hot crowd wins fairly convincingly on Saturday.
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Callin' my shot- A refocused MU team in front of a hot crowd wins fairly convincingly on Saturday.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit, MUf.
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Obviously, the narrative that had been building here that Nova had again become some unbeatable juggernaut was exposed as silliness tonight, when they were taken into OT at home by a mediocre Creighton team.
There is no great team in the BEast, and only two good teams. Nova is one of them, and we're the other.
If we play well -- not superhuman, not shooting 65% from 3s or anything like that, but well -- I like our chances.
I agree they are not an unbeatable juggernaut by any stretch, but also wouldn't put too much stock in the fact they struggled v. an undermanned and mediocre Creighton team. I am a firm believer that every team has 2-4 games a season where everything clicks, they shoot lights out and are almost impossible to beat. By the same token, there are going to be a few games like that in the other direction where nothing will fall, bounces don't go your way etc..; you hope those games come against cupcakes where you may still win handily. Nova started out 3-17 from 3 and were in the 20s percentage wise overall well into the first half of that game. They ended up at 37.5% overall and 29.4% from deep. They won't shoot like that often even against a great D, and Creighton is not a great one. Unfortunately, they got a wake up call (like we did on Tuesday), except they still got a W. If they were going to get the W anyway, I would have preferred they roll last night and come in feeling really good about themselves on Sat.
Oh well, both teams had to be looking ahead a bit towards Saturday and I'm sure will be focused and fired up. I like our chances on Saturday too, so much so that I will be extremely letdown if Nova comes into what will be a great environment and still gets a win. I also think it will be far better for the conference for Nova not to just cruise through even though several of their games have been close deep into the game. They have an unbelievable knack for taking over games in the last 5-8 minutes. Really hoping for a MU barrage and big win on Saturday; we're due.
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Ha, agreed. Rule of thumb: if you think your audience will have to pause to think about them, don't use them. That's somewhere in Strunk & White, right???
Abbreviation Nazis...oh geeezzz.
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Abbreviation Nazis...oh geeezzz.
Yeah, I hate the damn ANs!
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Yeah, I hate the damn ANs!
Funny!
And I admit I sometimes use the wrong verbiage....I once was using MQ for marquette and got rightly chastised.
What would people say I should use for two letter abbreviations...this is what comes to mind. I guess people us PC for Providence.
VN-Villanova
MU-Marquette
SJ-St. Johns
GT-Georgetown
SH-Seton Hall
DP-Depaul
CR-Creighton
BT-Butler
PR-Providence (PC ok, got it)
X-Xavier (two letters seems overkill)
open to corrections.
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Creighton is a fun team to watch. I think they are a year away from being a top tier team. In the meantime as their performance last night showed MU has to keep its guard up in the rematch.
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Creighton is a fun team to watch. I think they are a year away from being a top tier team. In the meantime as their performance last night showed MU has to keep its guard up in the rematch.
They should make a huge jump next season. As "down" as the Big East is this year it will be way more up next season.
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Funny!
And I admit I sometimes use the wrong verbiage....I once was using MQ for marquette and got rightly chastised.
What would people say I should use for two letter abbreviations...this is what comes to mind. I guess people us PC for Providence.
VN-Villanova
MU-Marquette
SJ-St. Johns
GT-Georgetown
SH-Seton Hall
DP-Depaul
CR-Creighton
BT-Butler
PR-Providence (PC ok, got it)
X-Xavier (two letters seems overkill)
open to corrections.
BU - Butler University
CU - Creighton University
DPU - DePaul University
GT - Georgetown
MU - Marquette University
PC - Providence College
SHU - Seton Hall University
SJU - St John's University
XU - Xavier University (though I can see X)
VU - Villanova University
Sometimes you just need the third letter.
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BU - Butler University
CU - Creighton University
DPU - DePaul University
GT - Georgetown
MU - Marquette University
PC - Providence College
SHU - Seton Hall University
SJU - St John's University
XU - Xavier University (though I can see X)
VU - Villanova University
Sometimes you just need the third letter.
Based on the people I know who went to depaul maybe you don't need the third letter...
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Wednesday February 6. Interesting to see Creighton moved up after their loss to Nova.
New Old
19 18 Villanova
21 21 Marquette
39 40 St. John's
54 58 Creighton
56 55 Butler
67 67 Seton Hall
73 79 Georgetown
85 81 Providence
90 92 Xavier
104 102 DePaul
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Good to see entire league in action on Saturday.
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St. John’s goes down to providence. My ideal scenario is they are a fringe bubble team and we end their season at the garden.
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Butler needed that win
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St. John’s goes down to providence. My ideal scenario is they are a fringe bubble team and we end their season at the garden.
I like it.
Some folks think StJ has "our number." They beat us by 1 whole point on a night we didn't shoot well. I'd love to see them again in the BEast tourney. We'll clean their clocks!
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Big game for both Creighton and Seton Hall on CBSSN. 14-9. Hall up early.
DePaul up on Xavier 13-11 in a rock fight on FS1.
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Was about to say, if you wanna see some bad basketball then X vs. DePaul is the game for you. It has picked up a little bit though in the last few minutes.
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Was about to say, if you wanna see some bad basketball then X vs. DePaul is the game for you. It has picked up a little bit though in the last few minutes.
Check out Creighton & Seton Hall. Really bad basketball on both ends.
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Seton Hall ends the game on a 11-2 run. Beats Creighton by 5.
DePaul won at Xavier by 12.
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St. John’s, Seton Hall, DePaul, Georgetown, Butler in 5-way tie at 5-6. If the season ended today, I think DePaul would be the three seed, since they are 3-1 in that five team mini-conference.
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St. John’s, Seton Hall, DePaul, Georgetown, Butler in 5-way tie at 5-6. If the season ended today, I think DePaul would be the three seed, since they are 3-1 in that five team mini-conference.
I don't think so. I think the earlier tiebreaker is win against highest rated conference opponent. So I think St. John's get the 3 seed because of their wins over us
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I know many here had strong opinions a few weeks ago about this, but is it outlandish to think that if selection Sunday were tomorrow only 2 big east teams would get in? What a weird season.
I’m not sure I see any team breaking through in the remaining 7 games.
I think we’re looking at MU/Villanova plus a possible BET winner wild card. Other than that I’m not seeing it. Maybe one of those teams will make a play in game. Down year. Happy MU is one of the top 2.
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I know many here had strong opinions a few weeks ago about this, but is it outlandish to think that if selection Sunday were tomorrow only 2 big east teams would get in? What a weird season.
I’m not sure I see any team breaking through in the remaining 7 games.
I think we’re looking at MU/Villanova plus a possible BET winner wild card. Other than that I’m not seeing it. Maybe one of those teams will make a play in game. Down year. Happy MU is one of the top 2.
Yes, it’s outlandish.
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Have to see how all the teams in the league end up. Still a lot of games to go and one of the lower 8!could go on a run. The Johnnies really screwed up today.
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Have to see how all the teams in the league end up. Still a lot of games to go and one of the lower 8!could go on a run. The Johnnies really screwed up today.
The Johnnies screw up every time they don’t play MU.
Pops was asking me what I thought about Providence +6 today. Told him PC was much better than their record indicates and St. John’s is always good for a clunker.
Not long after the the game got a text saying “Shoulda bet more”
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The Johnnies screw up every time they don’t play MU.
Or Creighton. 2-0 with wins by 15 at home & 16 in Omaha.
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I don't think so. I think the earlier tiebreaker is win against highest rated conference opponent. So I think St. John's get the 3 seed because of their wins over us
As usual, TAMU, I’m right on this one:
MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)
1. Teams are viewed as a “mini-conference” when comparing head-to-head results. The team with the best record vs. the other teams in the mini-conference gains the advantage. The team with the worst record vs. the other teams in the mini-conference is seeded the lowest.
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Based on the people I know who went to depaul maybe you don't need the third letter...
In recent history, four letters have been appropriate.
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I know many here had strong opinions a few weeks ago about this, but is it outlandish to think that if selection Sunday were tomorrow only 2 big east teams would get in? What a weird season.
I’m not sure I see any team breaking through in the remaining 7 games.
I think we’re looking at MU/Villanova plus a possible BET winner wild card. Other than that I’m not seeing it. Maybe one of those teams will make a play in game. Down year. Happy MU is one of the top 2.
Very outlandish, yes. St. John's, despite their clunker games, still have 5 Q1 victories and only one "bad" loss. If the season ended right now, they'd for sure be in. Seton hall, because of their non-con, would be a bubbly team but most likely in today. If you look at other bubble teams, which I just did a lot of re-evaluating this morning of, they're right in there. Butler and Creighton, while I don't think are in if the season ended today, are still very much in the bubble mix.
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Very outlandish, yes. St. John's, despite their clunker games, still have 5 Q1 victories and only one "bad" loss. If the season ended right now, they'd for sure be in. Seton hall, because of their non-con, would be a bubbly team but most likely in today. If you look at other bubble teams, which I just did a lot of re-evaluating this morning of, they're right in there. Butler and Creighton, while I don't think are in if the season ended today, are still very much in the bubble mix.
I agree with this analysis.
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Very outlandish, yes. St. John's, despite their clunker games, still have 5 Q1 victories and only one "bad" loss. If the season ended right now, they'd for sure be in. Seton hall, because of their non-con, would be a bubbly team but most likely in today. If you look at other bubble teams, which I just did a lot of re-evaluating this morning of, they're right in there. Butler and Creighton, while I don't think are in if the season ended today, are still very much in the bubble mix.
St John's really needs VCU and Georgetown to stay where they are. Both are Q1 for now but are likely one loss from losing that status. I'd guess when the new rankings come out today, at Georgetown will no longer be a Q1 win.
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Well,
We didn’t move at all in the NET.
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Well,
We didn’t move at all in the NET.
Yep. We were "supposed" to beat Nova by 2. We won by 1. So no movement, and if we did move it would likely be negative.
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Big East Net rankings as of games of Saturday February 9. DePaul big move , now in top 90.
New Old
19 19 Villanova
21 21 Marquette
49 40 St. John's
53 57 Butler
57 55 Creighton
65 67 Seton Hall
74 85 Providence
78 72 Georgetown
89 108 DePaul
108 94 Xavier
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It feels like 3 to 4 bids are possible for the big east.
If 9 -9 gives teams a chance then DePaul with 4 home games and St. John’s 4 home games have the best chance to go 9-9. I think DePaul probably needs 10 in the big east.
Seton hall 4 home games but faces Marquette and Villanova at home would probably get in at 9-9
Georgetown and butler have 4 on the road. They also need to win 5 to go 9-9.
Providence and Georgetown need alot of help. Xavier next year...
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Creighton needs 5 wins and has 4 home games, they may have a chance and doesn’t have to play nova.
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of Monday February 11. Not sure who to root for in tonight's Butler Johnnies game. In theory I want the team with the best chance of making the tournament to get the win. Don't really know who that is among those two.
New Old
19 19 Villanova
21 21 Marquette
49 49 St. John's
54 53 Butler
57 57 Creighton
68 65 Seton Hall
74 74 Providence
78 78 Georgetown
88 89 DePaul
106 108 Xavier
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of Monday February 11. Not sure who to root for in tonight's Butler Johnnies game. In theory I want the team with the best chance of making the tournament to get the win. Don't really know who that is among those two.
New Old
19 19 Villanova
21 21 Marquette
49 49 St. John's
54 53 Butler
57 57 Creighton
68 65 Seton Hall
74 74 Providence
78 78 Georgetown
88 89 DePaul
106 108 Xavier
I want St. John's far away from MU's side of the bracket in NYC. Whatever makes that happen. I'd lean Butler if you think we end up in 2nd and SJU if you think we overtake Nova.
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I want St. John's far away from MU's side of the bracket in NYC. Whatever makes that happen. I'd lean Butler if you think we end up in 2nd and SJU if you think we overtake Nova.
It looks like the Johnnies have the easier schedule from here on out than Butler. I guess if we were to tie Nova record wise we would be the 1 seed based on the head to head. So guess I am leaning toward The Johnnies camp tonight.
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I want St. John's far away from MU's side of the bracket in NYC. Whatever makes that happen. I'd lean Butler if you think we end up in 2nd and SJU if you think we overtake Nova.
I wouldn't mind a third game. The first two took place under some pretty strange extenuating circumstances. Ironically a game in MSG, though a deal facto roadie, would be he most normal situation of the three.
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As usual, TAMU, I’m right on this one:
MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)
1. Teams are viewed as a “mini-conference” when comparing head-to-head results. The team with the best record vs. the other teams in the mini-conference gains the advantage. The team with the worst record vs. the other teams in the mini-conference is seeded the lowest.
Just an FYI, what you quoted IS NOT from the Big East Conference's 2019 Tie-breaker procedures. The language changes aren't meaningful, but it appears you're pulling from a FALSE SOURCE.
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I want St. John's far away from MU's side of the bracket in NYC. Whatever makes that happen. I'd lean Butler if you think we end up in 2nd and SJU if you think we overtake Nova.
On the upside, St John's will have to beat someone other than Marquette to play us again. Not sure they're capable of that.
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Just an FYI, what you quoted IS NOT from the Big East Conference's 2019 Tie-breaker procedures. The language changes aren't meaningful, but it appears you're pulling from a FALSE SOURCE.
I quoted from 2015, which is the most recent one I could find. If anyone has the 2019 rules, I'd love to see them.
And I didn't mean to be a jerk, just an inside joke with TAMU about being right.
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Butler has tied the game at St. John's @51. Game is on CBSSN.
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Johnnies win 77-73 in OT
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Would like to see the Johnnies get a winning streak going so they can comfortably get in the tournament. Seton Hall needs to come alive as they have such a nice non conference resume it would be a shame to waste that.
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If Creighton can win at Xavier tonight I think they may make a run to a bid. If they win, they'll be 5-7 in conference. Their remaining games are
Home:
Seton Hall
Georgetown
DePaul
Providence
Away:
DePaul
Marquette
They have the upcoming schedule to go on a big run.
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Current Standings:
Nova 10-1
Marquette 10-2
SJU 6-6
Seton Hall 5-6
Georgetown 5-6
Depaul 5-7
Butler 5-7
Providence 4-7
Creighton 4-7
Xavier 3-8
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
Nova 16-2
[vs. PC (W); @SJU (L); @Gtown (W); @X (W); vs. MU (W), vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
Marquette 15-3
[vs. Butler (W); @PC (W); @Nova (L): vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
SJU 11-7
[vs. Nova (W); @PC (L); vs. SHU (W): vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (W)]
Creighton 10-8
[@X (W); vs. SHU (W); @Depaul (W): vs. Gtown (W); @MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
Butler 8-10
[vs. Depaul (W); @MU (L); vs. PC (W): @Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @Creighton (L); vs. X (W): @ SJU (L); @Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Georgetown 7-11
[@ SHU (L); vs. Nova (L); @Creighton (L): vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
Providence 7-11
[@NOVA (L); vs. X (W); vs. SJU (W): vs. MU (L); @Butler (L); @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
Depaul 6-12
[@Butler (L); vs. Creighton (L); @Gtown (L): vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
Xavier 3-15
[vs. Creighton (L); @PC (L); @SHU (L): vs. Nova (L); @SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (L)]
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Good stuff JjJJjJJJJjJjjjj.
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Really would like to find a way to get St. Johns on the other side of the bracket for the Big East Tournament
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Current Standings:
Nova 10-1
Marquette 10-2
SJU 6-6
Seton Hall 5-6
Georgetown 5-6
Depaul 5-7
Butler 5-7
Providence 4-7
Creighton 4-7
Xavier 3-8
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
Nova 16-2
[vs. PC (W); @SJU (L); @Gtown (W); @X (W); vs. MU (W), vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
Marquette 15-3
[vs. Butler (W); @PC (W); @Nova (L): vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
SJU 11-7
[vs. Nova (W); @PC (L); vs. SHU (W): vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (W)]
Creighton 10-8
[@X (W); vs. SHU (W); @Depaul (W): vs. Gtown (W); @MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
Butler 8-10
[vs. Depaul (W); @MU (L); vs. PC (W): @Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @Creighton (L); vs. X (W): @ SJU (L); @Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Georgetown 7-11
[@ SHU (L); vs. Nova (L); @Creighton (L): vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
Providence 7-11
[@NOVA (L); vs. X (W); vs. SJU (W): vs. MU (L); @Butler (L); @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
Depaul 6-12
[@Butler (L); vs. Creighton (L); @Gtown (L): vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
Xavier 3-15
[vs. Creighton (L); @PC (L); @SHU (L): vs. Nova (L); @SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (L)]
What a bummer that'd be for depaul. On their forum they have legit nit aspirations
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If Creighton can win at Xavier tonight I think they may make a run to a bid. If they win, they'll be 5-7 in conference. Their remaining games are
Home:
Seton Hall
Georgetown
DePaul
Providence
Away:
DePaul
Marquette
They have the upcoming schedule to go on a big run.
The challenge with Creighton is that they only have two Q1 wins, one of which is at #74 Providence, two spots away from being a Q2 win. The only Q1 game left on their schedule is at Marquette. If they don't win that game, and Providence slips to a Q2 win. I'm not sure that 18-12 with 1 Q1 win is enough. I'm not sure that 18-12 with 2 Q1 wins is enough. Especially if the best neutal court against #39 Clemson and the other is practically a Q2 win.
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The challenge with Creighton is that they only have two Q1 wins, one of which is at #74 Providence, two spots away from being a Q2 win. The only Q1 game left on their schedule is at Marquette. If they don't win that game, and Providence slips to a Q2 win. I'm not sure that 18-12 with 1 Q1 win is enough. I'm not sure that 18-12 with 2 Q1 wins is enough. Especially if the best neutal court against #39 Clemson and the other is practically a Q2 win.
TAMU, do you think that when it comes time for the committee to do their work, they will look at a certain win and say, "Well, that's technically a Q1 win, but barely so. Practically a Q2"?
Not asking sarcastically at all. Wondering if you've gotten a feel for that kind of distinction.
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TAMU, do you think that when it comes time for the committee to do their work, they will look at a certain win and say, "Well, that's technically a Q1 win, but barely so. Practically a Q2"?
Not asking sarcastically at all. Wondering if you've gotten a feel for that kind of distinction.
Wasn't that one of the arguments with our resume last year? We had a decent amount of Q1 wins but none were top statement Q1 wins
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TAMU, do you think that when it comes time for the committee to do their work, they will look at a certain win and say, "Well, that's technically a Q1 win, but barely so. Practically a Q2"?
Not asking sarcastically at all. Wondering if you've gotten a feel for that kind of distinction.
Can't say I know anyone on the committee so I don't know. But two things lead me think that they would.
1) The fact that they felt compelled to further separate Q1/Q2 into Q1a/Q1b/Q2a/Q2b. Seems like the only reason to do that would be because they value the "a" type wins over the "b" type wins
2) Marquette being so far out of the tourney last season. Marquette's resume last season was very solid, I think certainly worthy enough for consideration for a bid, but they got placed at least 5 spots out of the promised land. We had only 1 bad loss (DEPAUL!!!) and had 5 Q1 wins. That was better than some of the teams both in the tourney and the 1 seeds in the NIT. But the knock I kept hearing was while those were 5 Q1 wins...none of them were "marquis" victories and that hurt us.
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TAMU, do you think that when it comes time for the committee to do their work, they will look at a certain win and say, "Well, that's technically a Q1 win, but barely so. Practically a Q2"?
Not asking sarcastically at all. Wondering if you've gotten a feel for that kind of distinction.
I think that's why they broke the Quadrants into A/B. I essentially think of each bracket as the Committee asking a question. Here are the questions by Quadrant, in reverse order of difficulty because I think it makes more sense that way:
Quadrant 2B (Home 56-76, Neutral 76-100, Away 101-135): "Can you beat an autobid team?" The teams here aren't likely to be getting at-large bids, but more often than not this is where you will find mid and low major conference winners. These are teams that are either earning the auto-bid or filling out the NIT field.
Quadrant 2A (Home 31-55, Neutral 51-75, Away 76-100): "Can you win a game in Dayton?" The teams you beat here are the types you will see if you are in a play-in game. They are bubble teams to high NIT seeds. This is showing you can beat a good team, but if this is your best win, you may not be able to go far once the bright lights come on.
Quadrant 1B (Home 16-30, Neutral 26-50, Away 41-75): "Can you win a game in the Tournament?" These are the teams that are going to get into the field, down to the bubble. In general, if you are a top-40 team (whether in RPI, kenpom, NET, whatever) you are most likely going to be in. It's after 40 that you start to see teams that are on the bubble. So winning these games is proving you can win on the first day of the Tournament, though not necessarily able to make a deep run.
Quadrant 1A (Home 1-15, Neutral 1-25, Away 1-40): "Can you go to the Sweet 16 and possibly win once you get there?" Teams that win these games at home are proving they can beat the protected seeds, while the neutral court range goes down to about the 7-line. Those are teams that are safely in the tournament. If you are winning these games, you are good enough to get a win that will advance you to the Sweet 16. Teams that have won multiple Q1A games are good enough to advance beyond the Sweet 16.
This is why I think a team like Arizona State is going to get a long look again from the Selection Committee. They have some terrible losses, but 3 Q1B wins. If they get in, they have proven they can win the types of games you play in March. The same goes for teams like Georgetown and Creighton, who have more Q1 wins than many of the teams they are competing with for bids. I don't think a losing record in Q1 hurts you much, but if you have a large sample size (5+ games) you better win some of them.
I'm not sure how much Q2 matters at all. On a high seeds resume, it's more the presence of Q2 games as opposed to Q3/4 that makes the resume look good. If you are competing for a top-4 seed, you won't have many, if any, losses there. When it comes to the bubble, it might be a bit more important, especially Q2A. If you are a team that only got 2-3 Q1 games (and didn't get wins) but dominated Q2, that will reflect pretty well because you are winning the good games you do get (see Nevada and Houston).
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Can't say I know anyone on the committee so I don't know. But two things lead me think that they would.
1) The fact that they felt compelled to further separate Q1/Q2 into Q1a/Q1b/Q2a/Q2b. Seems like the only reason to do that would be because they value the "a" type wins over the "b" type wins
2) Marquette being so far out of the tourney last season. Marquette's resume last season was very solid, I think certainly worthy enough for consideration for a bid, but they got placed at least 5 spots out of the promised land. We had only 1 bad loss (DEPAUL!!!) and had 5 Q1 wins. That was better than some of the teams both in the tourney and the 1 seeds in the NIT. But the knock I kept hearing was while those were 5 Q1 wins...none of them were "marquis" victories and that hurt us.
People a year later can continue to try to break down MU missingbthe tourney all they want. Botttom line is we beat Depaul and we r in. Not only does it give us 1 more win and avoidance of that bad loss late, it puts us 1 clear game above conference foes that did get in. Depaul game was it. And yes the Depaul game allowed at least 5 teams to over take us.
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I like your way of thinking about the Quadrants Brew.
I thought you were crazy when you said the Creighton had more Q1 wins than the teams they were competing with. Then I checked. Dear god is the bubble weak this year. BraketMatrix's last four in, first four out, and next four out have a combined total of 14 Q1 wins. That's 12 teams with 14 Q1 wins. Barely 1 Q1 win per team. And Indiana has 4 of them! So 10 Q1 wins for the other 11 teams.
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In terms of best thing for the league with respect to maximizing bids and not rooting for us to lose (obviously) is X, Depaul and Gtown losing all games not against that group of three. SJU ending up with 10 wins, not 11. Seton Hall finding a way to get to 9-9 in BE play, which means they probably need to steal 1 @SJU or @Nova.
If the standings end up this, I think the league has a pretty good shot at 5 bids (with results that would fit this scenario:
Marquette 15-3
[vs. Butler (W); @PC (W); @Nova (L): vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
Villanova 15-3
[vs. PC (W); @SJU (L); @Gtown (W); @X (W); vs. MU (W), vs. Butler (L); @SHU (W)]
SJU 10-8
[vs. Nova (W); @PC (L); vs. SHU (L): vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (W)]
Creighton 9-9
[@X (W); vs. SHU (W); @Depaul (W): vs. Gtown (W); @MU (L); vs.PC (L); vs. Depaul (W)]
Seton Hall 9-9
[vs. Gtown (W); @Creighton (L); vs. X (W): @ SJU (W); @Gtown (W); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Butler 9-9
[vs. Depaul (W); @MU (L); vs. PC (W): @Nova (W); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
Providence 8-10
[@NOVA (L); vs. X (W); vs. SJU (W): vs. MU (L); @Butler (L); @Creighton (W); vs. Butler (W)]
Gtown 6-12
[@ SHU (L); vs. Nova (L); @Creighton (L): vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (L); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
Depaul 6-12
[@Butler (L); vs. Creighton (L); @Gtown (L): vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
X 3-15
[vs. Creighton (L); @PC (L); @SHU (L): vs. Nova (L); @SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (L)]
I think in this case Marquette, Nova, SJU and Seton Hall are all in. One of Butler or Creighton are in the play in games.
PC could perhaps get themselves into that conversation with a 9-9 finish. Beating Nova tonight could do the trick, which would also give us the outright BE crown (again, based on results listed above - with the one change being PC over Nova tonight).
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People a year later can continue to try to break down MU missingbthe tourney all they want. Botttom line is we beat Depaul and we r in. Not only does it give us 1 more win and avoidance of that bad loss late, it puts us 1 clear game above conference foes that did get in. Depaul game was it. And yes the Depaul game allowed at least 5 teams to over take us.
I'm not sure I agree. Maybe it's enough to get us in but avoiding 1 bad loss doesn't really get me all hot and bothered if I'm the committee. I think falling short against Villanova and X were the bigger misses. Had a chance to win both games. Either of those and I think we are in the tourney, possible even avoiding Dayton. Win both and I don't think we're on the bubble.
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I'm not sure I agree. Maybe it's enough to get us in but avoiding 1 bad loss doesn't really get me all hot and bothered if I'm the committee. I think falling short against Villanova and X were the bigger misses. Had a chance to win both games. Either of those and I think we are in the tourney, possible even avoiding Dayton. Win both and I don't think we're on the bubble.
If we beat depaul didn't we own the tiebreaker to end up third assuming all else equal? Honestly not much use worrying about it now but it's crazy to think that team would probably be better than most the BE this year and solidly in the tournament.
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I'll be honest J5, I don't care much about whether or not the other Big East teams make the tourney. I want whatever is best for Marquette. Personally I think that means cheering for DePaul, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Providence. All four are straddling the borderline between Q1/Q2 road win and Q2/Q3 home win. I would love to see all three end up on the right side of 75. Nova, SJU, Butler, Creighton, and X can all take some punishment without changing quadrants.
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I like your way of thinking about the Quadrants Brew.
I thought you were crazy when you said the Creighton had more Q1 wins than the teams they were competing with. Then I checked. Dear god is the bubble weak this year. BraketMatrix's last four in, first four out, and next four out have a combined total of 14 Q1 wins. That's 12 teams with 14 Q1 wins. Barely 1 Q1 win per team. And Indiana has 4 of them! So 10 Q1 wins for the other 11 teams.
It gets really bad when you get down there this year. That's why I think Indiana is in pretty solid shape. As much as they've fallen off, they have proven they can beat teams and most of their wins are Q1. It's also why I think Georgetown has a real shot; if they win tonight they will have 4 Q1 wins as well. Hard to keep that out.
This is also why I'm not as sold on people saying this will be the year for the mid-majors to get bids. Teams like Utah State, VCU, San Francisco, Murray State, they just don't have anything that proves they can win if they get in. Most of the high majors do, even if only 2-3 Q1 victories. Belmont, on the other hand, should be in regardless.
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I'll be honest J5, I don't care much about whether or not the other Big East teams make the tourney. I want whatever is best for Marquette. Personally I think that means cheering for DePaul, Seton Hall, Georgetown, and Providence. All four are straddling the borderline between Q1/Q2 road win and Q2/Q3 home win. I would love to see all three end up on the right side of 75. Nova, SJU, Butler, Creighton, and X can all take some punishment without changing quadrants.
Meh. I personally care more about the Big East getting 5+ bids than I do arbitrary cut offs for quadrants wins. If Marquette finishes 14-4 or better, they're going to be a 3 seed, and probably a 2 at 15-3 or better. I am entirely unconcerned about where Marquette stands currently. We don't need to worry about that stuff this season.
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People a year later can continue to try to break down MU missingbthe tourney all they want. Botttom line is we beat Depaul and we r in. Not only does it give us 1 more win and avoidance of that bad loss late, it puts us 1 clear game above conference foes that did get in. Depaul game was it. And yes the Depaul game allowed at least 5 teams to over take us.
Disagree with your opinion. Pick 2 out of Georgia, Providence, and DePaul, or one of Purdue, Wichita State, x, or Nova and we're there.
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Question...
All things considered in level of importance of criteria to get into the tourney..,
Quad 1 wins or net ranking?
There are some higher net ranking teams that don’t have many quad 1 wins and vice versa.
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Question...
All things considered in level of importance of criteria to get into the tourney..,
Quad 1 wins or net ranking?
There are some higher net ranking teams that don’t have many quad 1 wins and vice versa.
I don't think anyone knows for certain how much the committee will weigh NET in other overall scheme of things, and we only have 1 year of results to show us how they used Quadrants, and then they tweaked them again this season. Hard to know.
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Question...
All things considered in level of importance of criteria to get into the tourney..,
Quad 1 wins or net ranking?
There are some higher net ranking teams that don’t have many quad 1 wins and vice versa.
All we have to go on right now is the top-16. 14/16 were in the top-16 of the NET & the 4 teams they mentioned as just outside (Villanova, Va Tech, Texas Tech, LSU) were really close. No one outside the top-21 I believe was mentioned. I do think when it comes to at-large teams, you don't want to be much lower than 55-60 in NET.
One interesting thing was seeing both Houston & Nevada in the top-16. Despite few high powered wins, might that bode well for teams like UNCG, Utah State, & San Francisco that are light on quality wins but highly regarded by the NET?
A year ago, Arizona State benefited from quality wins despite a questionable resume at the other end. This year, ASU, Indiana, and Seton Hall are hoping that trend holds. The consensus is that those 3 are in, but until Selection Sunday we won't really know.
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I always want the most Big East teams in the tournament because it ultimately is to MU’s benefit. The league gets more money to spread around and the visibility is very helpful for recruiting.
I am hoping Seton Hall can get on a run. They have some super nice non con wins and I hate to see that go to West . I think Creighton is a fun team to watch and they have the schedule in their favor from here so maybe they can sneak in. Johnnies need some consistency to make it.
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I quoted from 2015, which is the most recent one I could find. If anyone has the 2019 rules, I'd love to see them.
And I didn't mean to be a jerk, just an inside joke with TAMU about being right.
I've got the 2019 rules.
http://www.bigeast.com/documents/2019/1/30/2019_BIG_EAST_Men_s_Basketball_Tie_Breaking_Procedure.pdf (http://www.bigeast.com/documents/2019/1/30/2019_BIG_EAST_Men_s_Basketball_Tie_Breaking_Procedure.pdf)
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Providence down by 2 at Nova. 12 minutes left.
Dare to Dream!
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Tied at 53. Can't imagine PC wins this, but there's a chance.
And as I type, Providence goes up 55-53.
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Tied at 53. Can't imagine PC wins this, but there's a chance.
And as I type, Providence goes up 55-53.
I’m simulcasting with Nova radio - just found out that a good friend’s kid is doing the radio for the school broadcast. He is no Rafferty- yet.
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I’m simulcasting with Nova radio - just found out that a good friend’s kid is doing the radio for the school broadcast. He is no Rafferty- yet.
I bet he's no Raftery either. ;D
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Rooting for Cooley & Company.
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Providence is dead. 77-63 with 3:10 to play. Offense went into hibernation.
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I bet he's no Raftery either. ;D
The funny part is that I was seriously concentrating on not getting it wrong! Doh!
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Georgetown UNI’s fugly
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Cooley & Company collapse.
The Hall put to an early lead. Hopefully they can sustain it.
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Cooley & Company collapse.
How about......... Villanova asserted its dominance down the stretch. A good team playing in their bandbox.
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Creighton must win at Xavier to just stay on the bubble. Down by 1. Game on CBSSN.
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The Jays REALLY need to work on getting the ball in at the end of the game...unbelievable.
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Someone want to explain what's going on with Creighton? Up until recently I was worried about their trip to Milwaukee, because they reminded me so much of us last year, where if they're hitting their shots, anything can happen (even with OT putting up 104 is pretty special). But their last three games they've scored 59 with OT (albeit against a very good Nova team), 58, and 61 with OT against a pretty poor X team, including a staggering 2 points in OT. Have the wheels fallen off in Omaha or were they just never on to begin with and they played their best game of the season against us?
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Someone want to explain what's going on with Creighton? Up until recently I was worried about their trip to Milwaukee, because they reminded me so much of us last year, where if they're hitting their shots, anything can happen (even with OT putting up 104 is pretty special). But their last three games they've scored 59 with OT (albeit against a very good Nova team), 58, and 61 with OT against a pretty poor X team, including a staggering 2 points in OT. Have the wheels fallen off in Omaha or were they just never on to begin with and they played their best game of the season against us?
Players quit on McDermott after realizing he couldn't even coach the most simple inbound-the-ball-to-anybody-and-win situation in college basketball history.
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Nice win for The Hall. Creighton blew an opportunity for a road win.
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I want St. John's far away from MU's side of the bracket in NYC. Whatever makes that happen. I'd lean Butler if you think we end up in 2nd and SJU if you think we overtake Nova.
Color me crazy but this year I really don’t want this. I am yearning for a third matchup, even as a home game for the Johnnies. I know it makes no sense, and I’ve never been the type to argue the “to be the best you’ve gotta beat the best,” because afterall it is about matchups. That said, I really want to play St John’s again.
Maybe it’s cause I’m butthurt, maybe it’s cause I am fearless with this team. It’s funny because the only two times I had a really strong feeling that Marquette loses this season in conf play was both games v StJohns, but now I have a really strong feeling that it would be good for the team to play them again and exercise those demons.
You don’t want to go into the dance thinking that there is a type that you can’t beat. That style team is pretty much Marquette’s worst type (outside of the roided out athletic version at Duke) yet I’m sure most of us know that our fellas are more talented and will be able to overcome. I want to see it in real life via a semis win and then win the BET the following night, head into the big dance playing with house money.
I absolutely mean it with all my heart that the above scenario, or a regular season BE Title, would make this season a complete success in my eyes no matter if/when/where we lost in the ncaa tournament. Of course I’d be disappointed when it ends, it’s only natural, but this season more than any other I can remember as a mubb fan has been one of those complete journey fulfilling/entertaining seasons.
I’m much more saddened that it has to end than worried about how it ends. I’m downright terrified at the idea that there may only be roughly 10 more games of Markus left. What a treat it’s been so far
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I got a kick out of the last few pages of people thinking creighton still had a shot at the tourney. We’ve somehow managed to build a team that, when our freshman pg is out injured, has zero ball handlers on the team. It’s pretty wild. Hopefully seton hall finishes or St. John’s finishes out strong because creighton won’t be the 3rd BE team in the tournament.
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DoctorV
Give me SJU all day in a matchup for the Big East Chanpionship. I'd just prefer SJU and Nova are on one side of the bracket and MU the other.
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I got a kick out of the last few pages of people thinking creighton still had a shot at the tourney. We’ve somehow managed to build a team that, when our freshman pg is out injured, has zero ball handlers on the team. It’s pretty wild. Hopefully seton hall finishes or St. John’s finishes out strong because creighton won’t be the 3rd BE team in the tournament.
Zegarowski injury was a tough loss for The Jays
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I got a kick out of the last few pages of people thinking creighton still had a shot at the tourney. We’ve somehow managed to build a team that, when our freshman pg is out injured, has zero ball handlers on the team. It’s pretty wild. Hopefully seton hall finishes or St. John’s finishes out strong because creighton won’t be the 3rd BE team in the tournament.
I was guilty of that. Really thought they'd win tonight and turn it into a nice finish. Nail seems to be in the coffin now.
SJU and SHU will likely be teams 3 and 4. Might stop there. Butler has a shot. Maybe a bid thief in NYC as well.
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I was guilty of that. Really thought they'd win tonight and turn it into a nice finish. Nail seems to be in the coffin now.
SJU and SHU will likely be teams 3 and 4. Might stop there. Butler has a shot. Maybe a bid thief in NYC as well.
The Johnnies and The Hall are kind of tied at the hip. The Hall needs to win as many as they can and if The Johnnies can also get on a run it directly helps the The Hall. Gives them one more quality win.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Wednesday February 13. Nova snuck ahead of us.
New Old
19 21 Villanova
20 19 Marquette
47 48 St. John's
53 53 Butler
59 57 Creighton
61 69 Seton Hall
73 74 Providence
79 78 Georgetown
93 94 DePaul
107 106 Xavier
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Georgetown 7-11
[@ SHU (L); vs. Nova (L); @Creighton (L): vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
Without some help in this regard, Georgetown misses the post-season for a fourth consecutive year.
Last time that happened was 1970-74.
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I always want the most Big East teams in the tournament because it ultimately is to MU’s benefit. The league gets more money to spread around and the visibility is very helpful for recruiting.
This is the single most important reason to get more conference teams in the tourney.
It's not about prestige or media exposure. The Big 10 and ACC will dominate discussions of how many teams earned bids, likely earning at least 8 bids each. And after the Round of 64, the Big East will probably be down to Marquette and Villanova still alive anyway. Unless someone like Butler pulls off an upset, the others will be quickly forgotten.
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Providence getting jelly-rolled at home by Xavier.
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Providence getting jelly-rolled at home by Xavier.
Their postseason hopes have been circling the drain for awhile, this probably flushes them for good.
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Their postseason hopes have been circling the drain for awhile, this probably flushes them for good.
Until they win the autobid.
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Until they win the autobid.
Cooley & Company are capable of getting hot in the BET but they would need to get a bye otherwise they have to win too many games in a row.
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Butler hanging in there . They absolutely can not lose this one.
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Butler pulls away at the end. Hopefully that helps their NET ranking.
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Game Day Article on The Johnnies and Nova. Johnnies have a lot of recruits in for it:
https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/st-johns-has-2nd-chance-to-get-a-statement-win-over-villanova/
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Game Day Article on The Johnnies and Nova. Johnnies have a lot of recruits in for it:
https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/st-johns-has-2nd-chance-to-get-a-statement-win-over-villanova/
Well they screwed us twice this season. Now is their chance to help themselves and make amends.
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Go st johns??
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Go st johns??
Yes go Johnnies. A win for them moves them closer to getting a bid. Also if The Johnnies can become a quality win for Seton Hall that helps their cause as well, which helps the Big East.
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Thank god for the two Big East games today! As Sunday's tend to be a soft schedule.
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Thank god for the two Big East games today! As Sunday's tend to be a soft schedule.
Mr. Nielsen:
Can you give us an update on the Big East TV ratings for conference this season? Thanks.
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Mr. Nielsen:
Can you give us an update on the Big East TV ratings for conference this season? Thanks.
I don't see any reports on any averages for leagues or networks at this time. What I can say Duke is liquid gold for ESPN. The Big Ten has done well for FS1. Two of the biggest regular season games ever on FS1 happened this year from the Big Ten on FS1. The Pac12 has stunk on every network. Heck, ESPN pulled the Pasch/Walton crew off a Pac-12 game to work a WCC game in Gonzaga/San Diego.
Back to your real question about the Big East. The league has been hurt by not having many rank teams as that is where the casual viewer turns to.
Here is the top Big East games on FOX, FS1 & CBS that I collect from all games on the season that a rating is available.
Kentucky/Seton Hall (12/8, 12:00): 1.512M
Wisconsin/Marquette (12/8, 5:00): 1.204M
UCONN/Villanova (12/22, CBS ): 1.125M
St. John's/Georgetown (CBS): 945K
Villanova/Marquette (2/9, 2:30): 872K
Villanova/Providence (1/5, 2:30): 864K
Gonzaga/Creighton (12/1, 2:00): 779K
St. John's/Butler (1/19, 4:30): 763K
Georgetown/St. John's (1/27, 12:00): 745K
Villanova/Creighton (1/13, 12:00): 666K
Seton Hall/Villanova (1/27, 2:30): 637K
Louisville/Seton Hall (12/1, 12:00): 585K
Xavier/Marquette (1/6, 12:00): 565K
Michigan/Villanova (FS1): 406K
Marquette/Indiana (FS1): 335K
Xavier/Villanova (FS1): 277K
Butler/Creighton (FS1): 241K
Georgetown/Villanova (FS1): 195K
Buffalo/Marquette (FS1): 176K
Creighton/Providence (FS1): 115K
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I don't see any reports on any averages for leagues or networks at this time. What I can say Duke is liquid gold for ESPN. The Big Ten has done well for FS1. Two of the biggest regular season games ever on FS1 happened this year from the Big Ten on FS1. The Pac12 has stunk on every network. Heck, ESPN pulled the Pasch/Walton crew off a Pac-12 game to work a WCC game in Gonzaga/San Diego.
Back to your real question about the Big East. The league has been hurt by not having many rank teams as that is where the casual viewer turns to.
Here is the top Big East Game on FOX and FS1 that I collect from all games on the season that a rating is available.
Kentucky/Seton Hall (12/8, 12:00): 1.512M
Wisconsin/Marquette (12/8, 5:00): 1.204M
Villanova/Marquette (2/9, 2:30): 872K
Villanova/Providence (1/5, 2:30): 864K
Gonzaga/Creighton (12/1, 2:00): 779K
St. John's/Butler (1/19, 4:30): 763K
Georgetown/St. John's (1/27, 12:00): 745K
Villanova/Creighton (1/13, 12:00): 666K
Seton Hall/Villanova (1/27, 2:30): 637K
Louisville/Seton Hall (12/1, 12:00): 585K
Xavier/Marquette (1/6, 12:00): 565K
Michigan/Villanova (FS1): 406K
Marquette/Indiana (FS1): 335K
Xavier/Villanova (FS1): 277K
Butler/Creighton (FS1): 241K
Georgetown/Villanova (FS1): 195K
Thanks. Solid results. They can sell advertising off those numbers.
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Here is Marquette's two games on the WWL
Marquette/Kansas (ESPN2): 784K
Louisville/Marquette (ESPN2): 346K
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Here is Marquette's two games on the WWL
Marquette/Kansas (ESPN2): 784K
Louisville/Marquette (ESPN2): 346K
Thanks not bad especially considering it was the off brand ESPN Network.
Have you found the CBS Sports numbers yet? There were several games I think on the broadcast network.
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Thanks not bad especially considering it was the off brand ESPN Network.
Have you found the CBS Sports numbers yet? There were several games I think on the broadcast network.
There has only been one game so far on CBS. The other game is next Sunday. Villanova at Xavier on CBS. CBS Sports Network is not a rated network. The other Big East team's game on CBS was considered a AAC home game.
St. John's/Georgetown (CBS): 945K
UCONN/Villanova @MSG (12/22, CBS ): 1.125M
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Creighton led 73-67, they now trail 76-73. They specialize in choking away leads.
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Creighton led 73-67, they now trail 76-73. They specialize in choking away leads.
Powell killing them 2nd half
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Looks like game over
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Creighton led 73-67, they now trail 76-73. They specialize in choking away leads.
It's like Creighton watched DePaul in November. Or Louisville the last two games in how to lose a game. 4 turnovers in the final minutes. Six time Creighton lost a lead with under four minutes left.
That said, a much needed win for Seton Hall.
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They gotta be on suicide watch in Omaha. That's 4 STRAIGHT blown leads from the under 4 timeout.
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Looks like 4 bids
SJU and SHu getting close to locking themselves in barring massive chokes.
Butler needs big help.
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Looks like 4 bids
SJU and SHu getting close to locking themselves in barring massive chokes.
Butler needs big help.
I'm surprised Joe Lundari has Butler as the first four out. Meaning that they are even on the bubble.
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Nova starts hitting 3's up 20-8 early
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I'm surprised Joe Lundari has Butler as the first four out. Meaning that they are even on the bubble.
Bracketmatrix lists them as first four out.
One thing I'll give Butler... is that their resume is cleaner than some bubble teams. If Georgetown moves back to Q2 then they'll have no "bad" and/or Q3 losses... and still a couple opportunities to have more than one Q1 win. So it's possible they can make something happen.
So... basically, we're sayin' there's a chance.
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This is why I want to see SJU again. I get all the bad matchup narrative but screw this team. I’ll gladly take a rematch in BET
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Nova gonna run the table on the rest of the league.
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Ponds looks terrible early in the Villanova game...
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This is why I want to see SJU again. I get all the bad matchup narrative but screw this team. I’ll gladly take a rematch in BET
That's what is so maddening about MU losing to them twice...they just are not that good.
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That's what is so maddening about MU losing to them twice...they just are not that good.
Mullin is garbage. MU won't be getting any help today. >:(
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Johnnies can’t even make free throws.
Key to nova...get Booth out and Quinnerly in. God he’s terrible.
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Johnnies can’t even make free throws.
Key to nova...get Booth out and Quinnerly in. God he’s terrible.
FT's no matta, hey
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Wow crazy 3 pt shot by SJ to end half 37-26 Nova
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Saint Johns played a horrible 1st half but is only down 11.
I believe they can get it together and still win at home. Ponds needs to show up!
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Ponds sucks every time I watch SJU
Unless they play us
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Ponds sucks every time I watch SJU
Unless they play us
Don't see him in the NBA long
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Good win for The Hall. Big East needs them to be strong. Creighton is a “wait till next year” type team this season .
Johnnies making some attempt at closing the gap with Nova.
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Butler really doesnt need that much help. They go 9-9 in conference they will have every shot on this bubble.
Looks like SJU will be 6-7 but schedule is easy. But who knows with them.
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Big run by SJ 1 point game
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Tied at 51
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Turned into a great game at MSG
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What a comeback by St. John's. Can they finish the game?
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What a comeback by St. John's. Can they finish the game?
Doubtful...their sphincter's will tighten, and Nova's experience will capitalize on their mistakes down the stretch
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Wait, so college basketball games aren’t 10 minutes long? And maybe we shouldn’t be so hopeful to catch St. John’s ASAP in the BE Tournament?
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They are doing this with Ponds playing like crap.
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Wow tied
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Now we know why Keita doesn’t get the ball
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Yes to Kieita. Dunk the damn ball.
Ponds 2-14 and 0-4.
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To borrow from Great Big Sea..... there isn't that much difference between Nova and Saint Johns.....
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If Johnnies can pull this off, it will be help the cause of MU and The Big East in general.
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Ponds fouls the 3 shooter now
Idiot
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Your move MU...there it is..take it.
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I, for one, do not want to play St. John’s until as late in tournaments as possible.
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Nova was up 29-10 in this game
Can happen to even Hall,of Fame coaches.....
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MU, #1 in the Big East.
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Fantastic win for The Johnnies. Love it.
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Thanks, Johnnies
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MU, #1 in the Big East.
We are a half game back.
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I, for one, do not want to play St. John’s until as late in tournaments as possible.
Yeah I changed my mind. I’m fine not playing them again lol
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Mullin is garbage. MU won't be getting any help today. >:(
You are welcome for the reverse psychology!!!!
1st Place.
GO MU!
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Doubtful...their sphincter's will tighten, and Nova's experience will capitalize on their mistakes down the stretch
Because you can see things others just can't
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You are welcome for the reverse psychology!!!!
1st Place.
GO MU!
2nd place.
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Because you can see things others just can't
Because he can tell when a team is talented.
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Doubtful...their sphincter's will tighten, and Nova's experience will capitalize on their mistakes down the stretch
Great call! If only anybody else on the planet knew as much basketball as you've forgotten.
In other news ...
Could Booth possibly have sucked more down the stretch? The worst 2 in the BE by far.
What kind of coach blows a 19-point lead? Plus, Wright never plays his 5-star recruit. Nova can do better - I'd take Danny Manning over him in a heartbeat!
Paschall looks bad. Maybe he's hurt, and playing him is dumb and dangerous.
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This year's Nova team doesn't have the same poise that Nova teams had in the past. Both Booth and Paschall tried a little too hard to be the man. Launched a lot of early threes rather than working their offense.
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Great call! If only anybody else on the planet knew as much basketball as you've forgotten.
What kind of coach blows a 19-point lead? Plus, Wright never plays his 5-star recruit. Nova can do better - I'd take Danny Manning over him in a heartbeat!
Well done.
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novaguru is losing his sh*t right now.
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Nova gonna run the table on the rest of the league.
That didn't age well.
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Nova gonna run the table on the rest of the league.
Nope, but I don’t think we will either. At HAll scares me
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Because he can tell when a team is talented.
+1000 You are correct. I remember sitting at a non conference MU game in November in the 2002-2003 season and at one point during whatever game it was I turned to my buddy and said "This is a Final Four team, they have all the pieces". The rest is history.
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Nope, but I don’t think we will either. At HAll scares me
At PC was the game that HAD me most concerned because of the 11am start and all, but after watching them against Xavier yesterday...yeesh.
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Great call! If only anybody else on the planet knew as much basketball as you've forgotten.
In other news ...
Could Booth possibly have sucked more down the stretch? The worst 2 in the BE by far.
What kind of coach blows a 19-point lead? Plus, Wright never plays his 5-star recruit. Nova can do better - I'd take Danny Manning over him in a heartbeat!
Paschall looks bad. Maybe he's hurt, and playing him is dumb and dangerous.
Are you done with your slams on me?? Does it make you feel better?? The comment "I have forgotten more about basketball, then some will ever know" simply is a shot at MY age. Meaning, I have been around long enough to forget more things about it then some will ever know. it is NOT and never WAS an indictment on anyone's basketball knowledge or lack there of. Now that that's cleared up..continue on.
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+1000 You are correct. I remember sitting at a non conference MU game in November in 2003 and at one point during whatever game it was I turned to my buddy and said "This is a Final Four team, they have all the pieces". The rest is history.
You must have felt foolish 4 months later watching us in the NIT.
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You must have felt foolish 4 months later watching us in the NIT.
Ummmm MU was in the Final Four in 2003.
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Ummmm MU was in the Final Four in 2003.
You meant to say Nov 2002 and your story would have been accurate.
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Ummmm MU was in the Final Four in 2003.
In April of 2003. You talked about the 03-04 team in November of 2003. Pretty sure you meant November 2002.
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In April of 2003. You talked about the 03-04 team in November of 2003. Pretty sure you meant November 2002.
Yes...semantics.
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Yes...semantics.
Does not mean what you think it means, hey.
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You must have felt foolish 4 months later watching us in the NIT.
Klinger: My mother had a premonition about Pearl Harbor.
Radar: Did she tell anybody?
Klinger: Nah. She didn't have it 'til December 9th.
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Are you done with your slams on me?? Does it make you feel better?? The comment "I have forgotten more about basketball, then some will ever know" simply is a shot at MY age. Meaning, I have been around long enough to forget more things about it then some will ever know. it is NOT and never WAS an indictment on anyone's basketball knowledge or lack there of. Now that that's cleared up..continue on.
Mmm-hmmm.
The competitor in me isn't gonna let you get away with that!
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Are you done with your slams on me?? Does it make you feel better?? The comment "I have forgotten more about basketball, then some will ever know" simply is a shot at MY age. Meaning, I have been around long enough to forget more things about it then some will ever know. it is NOT and never WAS an indictment on anyone's basketball knowledge or lack there of. Now that that's cleared up..continue on.
In my experience the "I've forgotten more than you'll ever know" meme means a) I know a lot and b) you don't know diddly. I have never heard it be a self deprecating reference to the age of the speaker.
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You must have felt foolish 4 months later watching us in the NIT.
That's one of the things he's proud to have forgotten about basketball
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Big East NET rankings as of Games of February 17. I put this in the wrong thread by mistake earlier. I think the highest ranking RPI to not get in during the 68 team field era was 49. So will see how they treat these NET rankings , especially relative to Butler at 49
New Old
19 20 Marquette
20 19 Villanova
46 49 St. John's (NY)
49 54 Butler
60 61 Seton Hall
63 59 Creighton
79 79 Georgetown
85 74 Providence
95 104 Xavier
100 91 DePaul
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Big East NET rankings as of Games of February 17. I put this in the wrong thread by mistake earlier. I think the highest ranking RPI to not get in during the 68 team field era was 49. So will see how they treat these NET rankings , especially relative to Butler at 49
New Old
20 19 Villanova
46 49 St. John's (NY)
49 54 Butler
60 61 Seton Hall
63 59 Creighton
79 79 Georgetown
85 74 Providence
95 104 Xavier
100 91 DePaul
The NCAA finally got sick of us and kicked us out eh?
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The NCAA finally got sick of us and kicked us out eh?
LOL getting old sucks. Correction noted and amended.
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LOL getting old sucks. Correction noted and amended.
Hey you never know. NCAA can hold a grudge and I think they are still pissed at Al
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Hey you never know. NCAA can hold a grudge and I think they are still pissed at Al
The NIT games that year were a lot of fun in those days all games were at the Garden . We beat Pete Maravich LSU team and Dr. J Massachusetts team . We also beat a Utah team that featured Mike Newlin who had a long successful NBA career and in the final The Johnnies had Billy 'The Whopper " Paultz who had a great run in the NBA and ABA. Our guys put on a great show at the Garden in that last game in front of a packed and very loud crowd.
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Looks like we have the whole league playing on Wednesday. Will be interesting to see how each of the team sheets look after those games. Would like to see The Johnnies, The Hall and Nova pick up wins. Would help MU and The Leagues cause.
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Solid Research Report on The Hall after their win over Creighton.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/02/17/seton-hall-creighton-basketball/2881436002/
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Selected Articles on Big East Teams
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/02/19/seton-hall-basketball-quincy-mcknight/2910066002/
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2019/02/17/butler-basketball-catching-fire-just-right-time-ncaa-hopes/2896699002/
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/2/18/18230046/one-down-five-to-go-xavier-basketball
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Will be nice to have 5 big east games all on the same day. Do we want Nova to win tomorrow or do we want them to lose again?
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Will be nice to have 5 big east games all on the same day. Do we want Nova to win tomorrow or do we want them to lose again?
Lose
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Will be nice to have 5 big east games all on the same day. Do we want Nova to win tomorrow or do we want them to lose again?
Until we clinch the BE Title we always want them to lose.
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Until we clinch the BE Title we always want them to lose.
This.
Nova has 5 games left. I command them to lose their next 3 (especially the third one). After that, we can talk about whether we should allow them to win their last 2.
And who says we don't have any control over the games? wades was right!
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Will be nice to have 5 big east games all on the same day. Do we want Nova to win tomorrow or do we want them to lose again?
Absolutely lose
Gtown road win moves closer to being a Q1 win at end of year
And we gain ground
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Absolutely lose
Gtown road win moves closer to being a Q1 win at end of year
And we gain ground
Ring out ahoya! ... and Ring Nova's neck, Hoyas!
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42-28 Hoyas........
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Xavier up on Seton Hall tied at 44-36 on CBSSN.. Seton Hall must protect It's home floor for it's bubble hopes.
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G'town up 16 with 6 to go.
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G'Town up 13 on Nova with 6 minutes to play.
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If georgetown hangs on it will give up another quad 1 win. They will get to 75 from the 81 NR with this ass kicking.
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Game's not over yet, so I might have to eat these words, but can you imagine the reaction on Scoop if we had gotten routed by Georgetown? We didn't have Markus and Morrow, but for some of the more "competitive" Scoopers, it would have been, "No excuses. Georgetown is terrible."
If this holds up, it'll be 3 losses in 4 games for Nova. Time to fire Wright!
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Biggest game of the year for MU. Time to give ourselves a bit of room for error. Opportunity arises. Take control boys!
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Dudes. This GTown win is GRRRREAT for MU.
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Game's not over yet, so I might have to eat these words, but can you imagine the reaction on Scoop if we had gotten routed by Georgetown? We didn't have Markus and Morrow, but for some of the more "competitive" Scoopers, it would have been, "No excuses. Georgetown is terrible."
If this holds up, it'll be 3 losses in 4 games for Nova. Time to fire Wright!
Nova definitely a bit off right now. I actually thought they looked slow against us for 32 minutes until they decided to make a game of it. Big opportunity tonight. @ Seton Hall still terrifies me for future games.
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Nova definitely a bit off right now. I actually thought they looked slow against us for 32 minutes until they decided to make a game of it. Big opportunity tonight. @ Seton Hall still terrifies me for future games.
Live by the 3 die by the 3.
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Nova definitely a bit off right now. I actually thought they looked slow against us for 32 minutes until they decided to make a game of it. Big opportunity tonight. @ Seton Hall still terrifies me for future games.
Best position/chance our team has had for an (outright) reg season champ in quite some time.
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Amazing to see Nova get crushed.
It happens. It's sports -- the only true "reality TV" -- and it's why people love sports. If the "better" team won every time, nobody would care.
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The only game that worries me at this point is Butler at home.
Let’s get it.
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Xavier up 6 with 2:30 left at Seton Hall. Nothing good can come from Xavier winning.
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StJ is the most inconsistent team I've ever seen.
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Providence won without Khalif Young (concussion) and without Ashton-Langford, who hurt ankle in game and was seen in a boot later on.
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I hope Marquette is a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament and the BE gets 9 NIT teams.
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Crazy night in the BEast.
Thankfully, the only team that matters provided a sense of sanity!
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Providence won without Khalif Young (concussion) and without Ashton-Langford, who hurt ankle in game and was seen in a boot later on.
So, he's transferring to Marquette?
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Wow the lower 8 in the league keep cannibalizing each other. The Hall loss was not good for the leagues cause.
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Yet the Hall and the Johnnies are considered in whereas Butler even with a losing record is on the bubble as last 4 in according to CBS analyst last night.
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Yet the Hall and the Johnnies are considered in whereas Butler even with a losing record is on the bubble as last 4 in according to CBS analyst last night.
They're in, but it will be awfully dicey if they finish with sub-.500 league records. Georgetown also likely crawled back into the conversation last night. Their win over Nova gives them 3 Q1 wins while Illinois' recent surge has them knocking on the door of becoming a fourth.
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They're in, but it will be awfully dicey if they finish with sub-.500 league records. Georgetown also likely crawled back into the conversation last night. Their win over Nova gives them 3 Q1 wins while Illinois' recent surge has them knocking on the door of becoming a fourth.
I would much rather GTown in over Hall or Johnnies. I really dislike both of those programs. SJU has a massively inflated view of where they stand all time and SHU annoys me ever since Pope and Hazel played.
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We just need Wojo to keep the team focused on the next game and not what others are doing. As long as he does that hopefully we can avoid the losses that should never happen. Marquette is no longer the team hunting for the big wins at the end of the season to increase their resume, instead we have become the hunted with two bubble teams as our last two games.
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We just need Wojo to keep the team focused on the next game and not what others are doing. As long as he does that hopefully we can avoid the losses that should never happen. Marquette is no longer the team hunting for the big wins at the end of the season to increase their resume, instead we have become the hunted with two bubble teams as our last two games.
Yup.
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We just need Wojo to keep the team focused on the next game and not what others are doing. As long as he does that hopefully we can avoid the losses that should never happen. Marquette is no longer the team hunting for the big wins at the end of the season to increase their resume, instead we have become the hunted with two bubble teams as our last two games.
Luckily, we don't control the outcome of these games so we're free to speculate and dissect Big East outcomes all we want. After all, the better the conference does in the tournament, the better for MU in the long run.
Besides, you see these teams so much during the year, do you not have any interest in how it shakes out? If not, why bother clicking on the "Big East Conference Results" thread?
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We just need Wojo to keep the team focused on the next game and not what others are doing.
Absolutely. That's part of his job.
Luckily, we don't control the outcome of these games so we're free to speculate and dissect Big East outcomes all we want.
Absolutely. That's part of our "job."
I started a whole thread on me being concerned about the DePaul game. I was wrong about that game because we beat the stuffin' out of 'em. And somehow, my thread didn't prevent us from beating Nova. I thought I had more control than that, but I guess not.
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MU can now win the Big East with three more wins as long as one is Nova. Would be tied if Nova won their other 3 games, but MU would have the season sweep.
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of Wednesday February 20.I believe Georgetown will now be considered a Q1 win. Also it is not yet known how these rankings will figure into NIT, but as of now every team has a winning record which would make our entire conference NCAA or NIT eligible.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
27 22 Villanova
48 44 St. John's (NY)
49 49 Butler
54 62 Creighton
64 60 Seton Hall
71 81 Georgetown
74 88 Providence
89 94 Xavier
110 99 DePaul
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The entire conference gets a major bump thanks to Georgetown and Providence making the jump north of 75.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Thursday February 21.
New Old
19 19 Marquette
27 27 Villanova
49 48 St. John's (NY)
50 49 Butler
56 54 Creighton
64 64 Seton Hall
69 71 Georgetown
73 74 Providence
89 89 Xavier
109 110 DePaul
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Question for my math people. The quad system is still the same as last season, it's just based off the NET and not the RPI?
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Question for my math people. The quad system is still the same as last season, it's just based off the NET and not the RPI?
Correct. The only change is the division of Quadrant 1 & Quadrant 2 into Q1A/B & Q2A/B on the team sheets.
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So we won on the road against a top-75 NET team. Does our NET automatically go up? Does this loss - at home to a top-20 team - hurt Providence?
I guess I still don't understand the system very well.
As I used to tell my buddies when they were describing whatever golf game they wanted to play: "Just tell me how much I owe at the end of the round."
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So we won on the road against a top-75 NET team. Does our NET automatically go up? Does this loss - at home to a top-20 team - hurt Providence?
I guess I still don't understand the system very well.
As I used to tell my buddies when they were describing whatever golf game they wanted to play: "Just tell me how much I owe at the end of the round."
The win and loss, no. Had we won by 1, our NET likely goes down while Providence's goes up. However because of the margin of victory, I expect ours will improve and theirs decline. That's why this, while a Quadrant 1 win now, will probably be Q2 by tomorrow. We beat Providence so bad I expect them to drop out of Q1.
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The win and loss, no. Had we won by 1, our NET likely goes down while Providence's goes up. However because of the margin of victory, I expect ours will improve and theirs decline. That's why this, while a Quadrant 1 win now, will probably be Q2 by tomorrow. We beat Providence so bad I expect them to drop out of Q1.
So if Wojo were really smart, we'd have beaten them only by what, 9?
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So if Wojo were really smart, we'd have beaten them only by what, 9?
No, but we hope for Providence to win out big to get/stay above 75.
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So if Wojo were really smart, we'd have beaten them only by what, 9?
Probably 3-6 would've been ideal to keep rankings status quo, but I think it's worth the beat down because it will help us more in the other metrics that show up on the Team Sheet.
I just find it somewhat ironic that we go in and give a hard fought effort with the result being a Quad 1 win, but because we did so well, it's likely Q2 by the next morning.
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Probably 3-6 would've been ideal to keep rankings status quo, but I think it's worth the beat down because it will help us more in the other metrics that show up on the Team Sheet.
I just find it somewhat ironic that we go in and give a hard fought effort with the result being a Quad 1 win, but because we did so well, it's likely Q2 by the next morning.
ironic ... or moronic?!?!
Hey, I know that they have to have some kind of system, and I also know that no system can be perfect.
Whatevs. If our heroes keep winning, it'll all take care of itself.
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GTOWN losing that one shut the coffin on their tourney hopes. Nails aren't in yet but there close
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GTOWN losing that one shut the coffin on their tourney hopes. Nails aren't in yet but there close
They finish with DePaul 2X, SHU, and @ MU. If they win the first 3 they will give themselves a shot. They go 4-0 they'll be in. They could have given themselves a real, legitimate chance with a win today.
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I'm fully rooting for St. Johns to end their conf. schedule strong. If Marquette grabs the 1 seed in the BET, I'd much rather play St Johns/Nova in the final rather than the Johnnies in the semis. Rooting for St Johns to outpace Seton Hall down the stretch. Helps that Seton Hall has to play both Nova and us still. Adds to the importance of our game @ Seton Hall imo.
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Solid win for Creighton . Rooting for the Hall.
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St. John’s got out to a 28-5 lead over seton hall. Seton hall playing much better now but still down 28-12.
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St. John’s got out to a 28-5 lead over seton hall. Seton hall playing much better now but still down 28-12.
The Johnnies up 6 over the The Hall with 2:07 left
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Powell was brutal down the stretch.
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The Johnnies have some followers:
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1099508303409889280
Looking forward to a rematch in the BET . I am going to the semis so hope it is then.
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Nova really struggling against xavier
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X takes its first lead of the day
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X up 10, just like that. Nova really back on its heels.
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This Nova team lacks that calming presence they’ve had for so long. Booth should be that guy but often isn’t
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X up 10, just like that. Nova really back on its heels.
If they can pull this off, MU is in a REALLY good spot Wednesday night...lose, and they still have a one game lead...win and they clinch at least a share(but basically win it outright) of the BE title. That being said, I prefer Novas come back and win this...why?? I would hate to play them, in their own building after losing three straight.
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villanova has 44 points in 34 min
what does that song that fans sing out in unison when they smell victory?
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I was really surprised that Nova was running through the conference early on and figured they’d have more losses like these.
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If they can pull this off, MU is in a REALLY good spot Wednesday night...lose, and they still have a one game lead...win and they clinch at least a share(but basically win it outright) of the BE title. That being said, I prefer Novas come back and win this...why?? I would hate to play them, in their own building after losing three straight.
Would have preferred Nova win this - wouldn't help conference championship standings, but Nova's February is making the BEast look significantly worse and reducing MU's margin for error to about zero for seeding.
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I always respect Nova, and said on here their ceiling felt like a decent top 20-25 team, but that was it. They’ve fallen off a cliff the last two weeks. X has dominated these last 10 minutes, Nova looks helpless.
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We definitely gonna get a fired up Nova on Wednesday now.
Luckily this loss to X will give us a nice cushion.
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Barring a Xavier collapse, Marquette can clinch a share of the BE title and the #1 seed in the BET on Wednesday
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I, for one, would be thrilled with a Xavier win.
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Nova is gonna have to beat us Wednesday for our home win vs them to remain Q1.
So let's just get the Q1 road win instead.
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I always respect Nova, and said on here their ceiling felt like a decent top 20-25 team, but that was it. They’ve fallen off a cliff the last two weeks. X has dominated these last 10 minutes, Nova looks helpless.
Three road games in a row, in a 8 day period. They could get healthy when they return home. Oh, crap that's against Marquette.
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Three road games in a row, in a 8 day period. They could get healthy when they return home. Oh, crap that against Marquette.
On their Senior Night too.
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I do not want to be on the receiving end of a Nova 3 game losing streak at the Pavilion.
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Playing Nova when they’re playing bad? Totally cool with me. Also playing Nova with a 1.5 game cushion? Totally cool with me.
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Nova looks good when they’re hitting 3s. When they’re not they’re pretty mediocre. There’s absolutely zero doubt who the best team in the conference is
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Playing Nova when they’re playing bad? Totally cool with me. Also playing Nova with a 1.5 game cushion? Totally cool with me.
Exactly. I’d rather face Nova lacking confidence. They beat X handily today and I’d be less confident Wednesday
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Nova looks good when they’re hitting 3s. When they’re not they’re pretty mediocre. There’s absolutely zero doubt who the best team in the conference is
+1000
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Bigger question is what about Xavier? 1 game out of 3rd place, back from the dead and still play the Johnnies twice. I think they're better than Seton Hall but they'd still have to win BE tourney to get in the Dance.
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Kinda disappointing.. no top 25 match up on Wednesday. Only.one in conference this year
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Bigger question is what about Xavier? 1 game out of 3rd place, back from the dead and still play the Johnnies twice. I think they're better than Seton Hall but they'd still have to win BE tourney to get in the Dance.
It’ll be interesting to see what this does to their NET ranking. Currently sitting at 90, should jump close to the top 75 cut off to make the away win against them at Q1 win.
Between them, Gtown and Providence, hope that at least 1-2 of them fight their way above that mark. Providence, dropped 8 places to 81 after our convincing defeat yesterday, but all three could end up right around that 75 cutoff.
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What if Xavier sweeps the Johnnies? Not that unlikely now. Could wreck more havoc on BE tourney bids.
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Bigger question is what about Xavier? 1 game out of 3rd place, back from the dead and still play the Johnnies twice. I think they're better than Seton Hall but they'd still have to win BE tourney to get in the Dance.
Love to see them whup the Johnnies---both games.
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What if Xavier sweeps the Johnnies? Not that unlikely now. Could wreck more havoc on BE tourney bids.
As long as we keep winning, our seed will take care of itself. Would love to see half the BEast in the tourney, but MU owns its own destiny.
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As long as we keep winning, our seed will take care of itself. Would love to see half the BEast in the tourney, but MU owns its own destiny.
Moms know best.
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Pretty much boils down to how well Nova is shooting the 3 ball, @inA?
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What if Xavier sweeps the Johnnies? Not that unlikely now. Could wreck more havoc on BE tourney bids.
St Johns and Hall are in at 9-9. Johnnies just need 1 more win. Hall needs to steal one from MU or Nova at home and take care of Georgetown.
Butler and even Georgetown still have a shot as well. 5 bids still possible.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Saturday February 23. As expected Providence home loss dropped them down.
New Old
17 18 Marquette
27 27 Villanova
47 49 St. John's (NY)
49 50 Butler
53 57 Creighton
63 64 Seton Hall
73 70 Georgetown
81 73 Providence
90 89 Xavier
110 111 DePaul
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I've never bought into the "they're on a losing streak, they'll be pissed and play really well." Sure it happens, but I think for every time it does happen, there's another team on a losing streak whose losing streak continues because they didn't play well. And for every one of those, there's another team that plays normal.
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I've never bought into the "they're on a losing streak, they'll be pissed and play really well." Sure it happens, but I think for every time it does happen, there's another team on a losing streak whose losing streak continues because they didn't play well. And for every one of those, there's another team that plays normal.
Yep... another cliche weak on the evidence...
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I've never bought into the "they're on a losing streak, they'll be pissed and play really well." Sure it happens, but I think for every time it does happen, there's another team on a losing streak whose losing streak continues because they didn't play well. And for every one of those, there's another team that plays normal.
Yes it is utter nonsense. Roll my eyes every time people on here spout this junk. Oh they lost at home. They will play better now. Oh they want a signature win. They will play better now. Oh they lost 4 straight they will play better now. Just silliness. I can just say "nova lost three straight. They are broken vulnerable and now they face the best team in the league. They're screwed".. bears the Same weight as the other comments. It all means essentially NOTHING
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Thing with Nova is they lost these 3 games on the road. They are now coming home where they haven't lost in league play. Someone said it was their senior day too. But not sure on that since they do have another home game.
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Thing with Nova is they lost these 3 games on the road. They are now coming home where they haven't lost in league play. Someone said it was their senior day too. But not sure on that since they do have another home game.
Last one at the on-campus arena. Their final home game is at the Wells Fargo Center.
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"It's senior day! I'm gonna try harder today!!!" --- No one
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Glad to see Travis Steele and X get a quality win.
I believe Steele has done a very good job in his first year. He was able to pick up 3 serviceable Grad transfers to help the key returners hold the fort this year.
X has an impressive 5 man recruiting class coming in next year . Other than the grad transfers, the rest of the key players will be returning as juniors and seniors. They should be well on their way back next season.
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Losing streak...senior day...whatever. Nova is gonna be prepared and jacked. Gotta play the game.
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"It's senior day! I'm gonna try harder today!!!" --- No one
Yeah because the psyche of 18-22 year olds is cut and dry.
LMAO
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X is agitating to win the BET.
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/2/24/18238942/xavier-v-villanova-takeaways-from-tape-delay-final-recap-big-east-basketball
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Current Standings:
Marquette 12-2
Villanova 11-4
St. Johns 8-7
Seton Hall 7-8
Xavier 7-8
Georgetown 6-8
Butler 6-8
Creighton 6-9
Depaul 5-9
Providence 5-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 15-3
[@Nova (L): vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Nova 14-4
[vs. MU (W), vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
3. SJU 10-8
[vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (L)]
4. Creighton 8-10
[@MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
5. Xavier 8-10
[@SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
6. Butler 8-10
[vs. PC (W): @Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
7. Georgetown 8-10
[vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
8. Seton Hall 7-11
[@Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
9. Providence 6-12
[@Butler (L); @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
10. Depaul 6-12
[@Gtown (L): vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
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Current Standings:
Marquette 12-2
Villanova 11-4
St. Johns 8-7
Seton Hall 7-8
Xavier 7-8
Georgetown 6-8
Butler 6-8
Creighton 6-9
Depaul 5-9
Providence 5-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 15-3
[@Nova (L): vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Nova 14-4
[vs. MU (W), vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
3. SJU 10-8
[vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (L)]
4. Creighton 8-10
[@MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
5. Xavier 8-10
[@SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
6. Butler 8-10
[vs. PC (W): @Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
7. Georgetown 8-10
[vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
8. Seton Hall 7-11
[@Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
9. Providence 6-12
[@Butler (L); @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
10. Depaul 6-12
[@Gtown (L): vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
A couple comments:
I believe I got the tiebreakers correct, so if things hold serve (they won't) those will be the standings heading into the BET. Bracket would looks as follows:
Play-in Round
Georgetown vs. Depaul
Seton Hall vs. Providence
Quarters
Marquette vs. Hall/PC Winner
Creighton vs. Xavier
Gtown/Depaul winner vs. Nova
SJU vs. Butler
The number of NCAA tourney bids in this scenario would be really interesting. If Hall loses out, they kill any chance they have. But they have big opporuntities with both Nova and Marquette at home to finish Big East play. Seton Hall vs. Gtown next Saturday is really a must win for both teams, but especially Hal. Best case scenario for maximizing bids is most likely Hall beating Gtown, but Gtown sweeping Depaul (instead of splitting as Trank projects). It would be nice for one or more of Butler, Seton Hall or Gtown to get to 9-9.
If things ends up as they do in the trank projected standings, I think one of the 8-10 teams sqeak into Dayton, but certainly not ideal. Xavier and Depaul being decent this year has really brought down the middle.
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I'm cheering for Providence and Xavier to win out, and for Georgetown to finish 3-1. Would basically be trading 2 Q3 wins for 2 Q1 wins.
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Interestingly enough, IF this is the way it ended, To me, MU would have a tougher 1st game in the BE tourney(Hall/PC), then they would a 2nd game(if they advanced) vs Creighton/Xavier.
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I'm cheering for Providence and Xavier to win out, and for Georgetown to finish 3-1. Would basically be trading 2 Q3 wins for 2 Q1 wins.
We clearly view these things in a different lens, but I just don't see how PC, X and Gtown's minor NET movements and therefore Q1/Q2 placements are going to mean much of anything for us in terms of seeding disparity. We're likely a 3 seed regardless. Win out, we probably get a 2. Slip up once in BE play and lose in the BET, still probably a 3. I just don't think those teams becoming bottom tier Q1 wins as opposed to Q2 mean anything for us.
But PC, X and Gtown winning out (besides Gtown @ MU) will be absolutely devastating for the Big East getting more than 3 bids. The league will likely only get 3 bids in that scenario. Maybe Gtown sneaks into Dayton at 9-9 for the 4th bid, but it would be close. I don't think the bottom feeders winning games and effectively killing any chance for the decent bubble teams (Hall and Butler) making the dance is good for the league.
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Interestingly enough, IF this is the way it ended, To me, MU would have a tougher 1st game in the BE tourney(Hall/PC), then they would a 2nd game(if they advanced) vs Creighton/Xavier.
Don't want to see Xavier again this season.
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If things ends up as they do in the trank projected standings, I think one of the 8-10 teams sqeak into Dayton, but certainly not ideal. Xavier and Depaul being decent this year has really brought down the middle.
The thing most responsible for "bring down the middle" is the fact that the teams in the middle aren't good.
We are good, Villanova is usually good and St John's is sometime times good.
The rest of the conference? Not good.
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The thing most responsible for "bring down the middle" is the fact that the teams in the middle aren't good.
We are good, Villanova is usually good and St John's is sometime times good.
The rest of the conference? Not good.
Meh. Depends on your definition of "good". 60% of the league is the top 60 in kenpom. Gtown, X and PC are in the top 95. Depaul is just outside of top 100. I think its pretty safe to say that every team in the Big East is a top 75-80 team in the nation.
The league is pretty balance 3-10. I don't personally consider any of those teams "bad", but certainly non of them are great. There are a lot more "bad" teams in the ACC, SEC and Pac12 than there are in the Big East.
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We clearly view these things in a different lens, but I just don't see how PC, X and Gtown's minor NET movements and therefore Q1/Q2 placements are going to mean much of anything for us in terms of seeding disparity. We're likely a 3 seed regardless. Win out, we probably get a 2. Slip up once in BE play and lose in the BET, still probably a 3. I just don't think those teams becoming bottom tier Q1 wins as opposed to Q2 mean anything for us.
But PC, X and Gtown winning out (besides Gtown @ MU) will be absolutely devastating for the Big East getting more than 3 bids. The league will likely only get 3 bids in that scenario. Maybe Gtown sneaks into Dayton at 9-9 for the 4th bid, but it would be close. I don't think the bottom feeders winning games and effectively killing any chance for the decent bubble teams (Hall and Butler) making the dance is good for the league.
On a small scale, it's because despite the bracket reveal show, the committee starts with a blank slate on selection Sunday. I want our resume looking as good as possible so we can get that 2 seed. Or maybe even a 1 if something crazy happens in the final weeks. Also, the only team that would be kept out of the tournament by those teams winning out is Butler who isn't in anyway. Seton Hall could still make it in by beating us or Nova or having a good BET. Plus the 3-1 finish may bump Georgetown in, so the total # of bids is likely not impacted.
On a large scale, I would burn the entire conference to the ground if it helped Marquette even the slightest bit. My loyalty to the Big East only extends as far as it helps Marquette.
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A couple comments:
I believe I got the tiebreakers correct, so if things hold serve (they won't) those will be the standings heading into the BET. Bracket would looks as follows:
Play-in Round
Georgetown vs. Depaul
Seton Hall vs. Providence
Quarters
Marquette vs. Hall/PC Winner
Creighton vs. Xavier
Gtown/Depaul winner vs. Nova
SJU vs. Butler
The number of NCAA tourney bids in this scenario would be really interesting. If Hall loses out, they kill any chance they have. But they have big opporuntities with both Nova and Marquette at home to finish Big East play. Seton Hall vs. Gtown next Saturday is really a must win for both teams, but especially Hal. Best case scenario for maximizing bids is most likely Hall beating Gtown, but Gtown sweeping Depaul (instead of splitting as Trank projects). It would be nice for one or more of Butler, Seton Hall or Gtown to get to 9-9.
If things ends up as they do in the trank projected standings, I think one of the 8-10 teams sqeak into Dayton, but certainly not ideal. Xavier and Depaul being decent this year has really brought down the middle.
That would be a pretty great way for the BET bracket to shape up.
A potential first game vs Seton Hall wouldn't be the most ideal but not terrible. A Creighton or X semi final is great.
Nova and SJU on the other side together and they have Butler and Gtown(who has played them to a 2-2 record with competitive losses) on their side as well.
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On a small scale, it's because despite the bracket reveal show, the committee starts with a blank slate on selection Sunday. I want our resume looking as good as possible so we can get that 2 seed. Or maybe even a 1 if something crazy happens in the final weeks. Also, the only team that would be kept out of the tournament by those teams winning out is Butler who isn't in anyway. Seton Hall could still make it in by beating us or Nova or having a good BET. Plus the 3-1 finish may bump Georgetown in, so the total # of bids is likely not impacted.
On a large scale, I would burn the entire conference to the ground if it helped Marquette even the slightest bit. My loyalty to the Big East only extends as far as it helps Marquette.
To each their own, I just don't think the Big East getting 3 bids is good for anyone, and its definitely not good for league prestige/notoriety, which means a fair bit IMO. At the end of the day, obviously our rooting interests and opinions don't matter and what happens will happen, but if MU takes care of their own business, they don't need to be concerned about what quadrant X, PC and Gtown land in.
Hall really needs to beat Gtown next Saturday to get in. They are 7-8 currently, and they aren't going to sweep to MU and Nova last 2 games of the season. Maybe they sneak in at 8-10 (their resume would certainly still look better than their peers, IMO), but that is obviously dicey. A loss to Gtown would be devastating to their chances.
And PC beating Butler twice would kill them. Butler still has a decent shot to get in. So yah, killing 2 BE bubble teams and replacing them with a superduper iffy at large candidate in Gtown at 9-9 is less than ideal.
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On a small scale, it's because despite the bracket reveal show, the committee starts with a blank slate on selection Sunday. I want our resume looking as good as possible so we can get that 2 seed. Or maybe even a 1 if something crazy happens in the final weeks. Also, the only team that would be kept out of the tournament by those teams winning out is Butler who isn't in anyway. Seton Hall could still make it in by beating us or Nova or having a good BET. Plus the 3-1 finish may bump Georgetown in, so the total # of bids is likely not impacted.
On a large scale, I would burn the entire conference to the ground if it helped Marquette even the slightest bit. My loyalty to the Big East only extends as far as it helps Marquette.
Thank You! This is exactly how I feel, always have. You and I might be on this island alone. I couldn't care less how many BE teams make it to the dance, and the one's that do..I hope they get eliminated early. I care ONLY about Marquette's success, and their success alone. If no one else from the BE made the tourney...fine with me. I want MU to be the class of the conference, every single year. Whatever MOST helps MU, I am all for. I have ZERO loyalty to any of the other BE teams and will only "root" for any other BE teams, if it somehow helps MU. It has always been weird to me how other people want other teams in the conference to do good in the tourney because it helps make the conference look better...That's flawed logic to me. I want MU to look good, so they look good, regardless of how the rest of the conference is viewed. Conferences don't get bids, teams do.
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To each their own, I just don't think the Big East getting 3 bids is good for anyone, and its definitely not good for league prestige/notoriety, which means a fair bit IMO. At the end of the day, obviously our rooting interests and opinions don't matter and what happens will happen, but if MU takes care of their own business, they don't need to be concerned about what quadrant X, PC and Gtown land in.
Hall really needs to beat Gtown next Saturday to get in. They are 7-8 currently, and they aren't going to sweep to MU and Nova last 2 games of the season. Maybe they sneak in at 8-10 (their resume would certainly still look better than their peers, IMO), but that is obviously dicey. A loss to Gtown would be devastating to their chances.
And PC beating Butler twice would kill them. Butler still has a decent shot to get in. So yah, killing 2 BE bubble teams and replacing them with a superduper iffy at large candidate in Gtown at 9-9 is less than ideal.
It wouldn't be killing 2 Big East bids. It would kill 1. Seton Hall could still get in without beating Georgetown. And it would replace one shaky resume (Butler) with another (Georgetown).
Plus, Prov, X, and Georgetown being Q1/Q2 wins/losses benefits the entire conference, not just Marquette.
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Thank You! This is exactly how I feel, always have. You and I might be on this island alone. I couldn't care less how many BE teams make it to the dance, and the one's that do..I hope they get eliminated early. I care ONLY about Marquette's success, and their success alone. If no one else from the BE made the tourney...fine with me. I want MU to be the class of the conference, every single year. Whatever MOST helps MU, I am all for. I have ZERO loyalty to any of the other BE teams and will only "root" for any other BE teams, if it somehow helps MU. It has always been weird to me how other people want other teams in the conference to do good in the tourney because it helps make the conference look better...That's flawed logic to me. I want MU to look good, so they look good, regardless of how the rest of the conference is viewed. Conferences don't get bids, teams do.
To be clear, you and I aren't on the same page if you couldn't care less. I want more Big East bids than less. I want the Big East to do well in non-conference play and in the tournament. I just don't cheer for it if I think it could keep Marquette from moving up on the s-curve.
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That would be a pretty great way for the BET bracket to shape up.
A potential first game vs Seton Hall wouldn't be the most ideal but not terrible. A Creighton or X semi final is great.
Nova and SJU on the other side together and they have Butler and Gtown(who has played them to a 2-2 record with competitive losses) on their side as well.
Yah, its pretty ideal. I wouldn't really want to play Hall first game after they just played the night before if I had my choice, but its not awful.
Best case scenario for BET seeding (for MU) and NCAA bids IMO would be:
1. Marquette 16-2
2. Nova 12-6
3. SJU 11-7
4. Seton Hall 9-9
5. Butler 9-9
6. Creighton 8-10
7. Gtown 8-10
8. X 7-11
9. Depaul 5-13
10. PC 5-13
1. Marquette 16-2
[@Nova (W): vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Nova 12-6
[vs. MU (L), vs. Butler (W); @SHU (L)]
3. SJU 11-7
[vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (W)]
4. Seton Hall 9-9
[@Gtown (W); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (W)]
5. Butler 9-9
[vs. PC (W): @Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (W)]
6. Creighton 8-10
[@MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
7. Georgetown 8-10
[vs. Depaul (W); vs. SHU (L); @ Depaul (W); @MU (L)]
8. Xavier 7-11
[@SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (L)]
9. Depaul 5-13
[@Gtown (L): vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (:); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Providence 5-13
[@Butler (L); @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (L)]
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It wouldn't be killing 2 Big East bids. It would kill 1. Seton Hall could still get in without beating Georgetown. And it would replace one shaky resume (Butler) with another (Georgetown).
Plus, Prov, X, and Georgetown being Q1/Q2 wins/losses benefits the entire conference, not just Marquette.
Butler has a better resume than Georgetown today.
And it effectively kills 2 Big East bids, unless you think Seton Hall is going to lose to Gtown, and then turn around and beat Marquette and Villanova. Possible? I guess. But highly unlikely. Hall will have a much better chance if they beat Gtown, and try to steal of of the 2 against MU/Nova. Honestly, if Hall beats one of MU/Nova and loses their other 2 BE games, they should get in at 8-10. Their resume will be significantly better than anyone else around the bubble. But I wouldn't feel very good on selection sunday if I were them with a sub .500 league record.
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To be clear, you and I aren't on the same page if you couldn't care less. I want more Big East bids than less. I want the Big East to do well in non-conference play and in the tournament. I just don't cheer for it if I think it could keep Marquette from moving up on the s-curve.
Yes, exactly this. There have been multiple examples of people commenting that what the big east as a whole doesn't matter, that only MU performance matters. They fail to realize that we want the BE to do as well as possible (as long as it doesn't negatively impact MU) because more teams in the tourney = more tournament money to MU, more prestige for the league which thus prestige for MU, better future tv contract for league and thus again more money for MU, etc.
What is good for the league is good for MU. But in all this, I don't believe anyone wants the BE success to come at the expense of any accomplishments MU may get. If anything, it would only enhance the triumph of those accomplishments.
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Yes, exactly this. There have been multiple examples of people commenting that what the big east as a whole doesn't matter, that only MU performance matters. They fail to realize that we want the BE to do as well as possible (as long as it doesn't negatively impact MU) because more teams in the tourney = more tournament money to MU, more prestige for the league which thus prestige for MU, better future tv contract for league and thus again more money for MU, etc.
What is good for the league is good for MU. But in all this, I don't believe anyone wants the BE success to come at the expense of any accomplishments MU may get. If anything, it would only enhance the triumph of those accomplishments.
This guy gets it.
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This guy gets it.
To be clear, I'm saying the same thing as UWW2MU. I want the Big East to do well but not at Marquette's expense.
Put another way, if the choice is between an MU 3 seed/6 BE bids & an MU 3 seed/3 BE bids, I would choose option A.
But if the choice is between an MU 2 seed/3 BE bids & an MU 3 seed/6 BE bids, I would take the MU 2 seed all day every day. Hell, I would take the MU 2 seed even if meant zero other bids from the Big East.
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To be clear, I'm saying the same thing as UWW2MU. I want the Big East to do well but not at Marquette's expense.
Put another way, if the choice is between an MU 3 seed/6 BE bids & an MU 3 seed/3 BE bids, I would choose option A.
But if the choice is between an MU 2 seed/3 BE bids & an MU 3 seed/6 BE bids, I would take the MU 2 seed all day every day. Hell, I would take the MU 2 seed even if meant zero other bids from the Big East.
I know, it wasn't a jab at you. I think 5 or 6 BE bids is pretty important tho, so I am certainly rooting for that. I also rooting for MU to win every game they play. Marquette's seeding will take care of itself. Providence, Gtown and X winning games the next 2 weeks isn't going to make MU a 2 seed.
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I know, it wasn't a jab at you. I think 5 or 6 BE bids is pretty important tho, so I am certainly rooting for that. I also rooting for MU to win every game they play. Marquette's seeding will take care of itself. Providence, Gtown and X winning games the next 2 weeks isn't going to make MU a 2 seed.
And I guess that's where we disagree. I value giving Marquette a better shot at a 2 seed over how many bids the Big East gets.
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Yet you can't ignore that if the BE had more high quality, bid-worthy teams, Marquette would probably already be solidly on the 2 line with their conference record. Better conference = better wins and less damaging losses. What's good for the BE is good for Marquette.
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Yet you can't ignore that if the BE had more high quality, bid-worthy teams, Marquette would probably already be solidly on the 2 line with their conference record. Better conference = better wins and less damaging losses. What's good for the BE is good for Marquette.
You also can't ignore that if all the other teams were better, we probably wouldn't have the same record. We aren't 12-2 with the quality that the conference had last year. Part of the reason that we've only lost twice since Thanksgiving is that we haven't played as many really good teams that other's on the 1-3 line have. It's not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if we think we deserve a 2 and get knocked to a 3 because of the strength of the conference, we'll get no sympathy from Gonzaga or Nevada.
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Yet you can't ignore that if the BE had more high quality, bid-worthy teams, Marquette would probably already be solidly on the 2 line with their conference record. Better conference = better wins and less damaging losses. What's good for the BE is good for Marquette.
Actually, I don't agree, if MU had beaten Indiana, and/or SJU even once(especially at home), I think they would be locked into a #2 seed right now, and a chance at a #1 seed. Heck beating just IU may have been enough.
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Actually, I don't agree, if MU had beaten Indiana, and/or SJU even once(especially at home), I think they would be locked into a #2 seed right now, and a chance at a #1 seed. Heck beating just IU may have been enough.
Have to agree besting sju at home puts us a 13 game? Winning streak and prolly 4-5 in the country?
Oh for sacars wide open finger roll layup from 6 inches that went 3”
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You also can't ignore that if all the other teams were better, we probably wouldn't have the same record. We aren't 12-2 with the quality that the conference had last year. Part of the reason that we've only lost twice since Thanksgiving is that we haven't played as many really good teams that other's on the 1-3 line have. It's not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if we think we deserve a 2 and get knocked to a 3 because of the strength of the conference, we'll get no sympathy from Gonzaga or Nevada.
Nevada needs to play a few Q1 games before they are allowed to spurn sympathy.
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Nevada needs to play a few Q1 games before they are allowed to spurn sympathy.
I'm just saying that as much as we rip the Houston, Nevada and Gonzaga's of the cbb world for not playing anyone in conference, we should also look at the fact that we've played exactly one ranked team in 2019. Again, not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if you want a spot on the top 2 lines, and your resume gets put next to some of these other teams that have played 5, 6, 7 ranked teams in the same span, they're going to get the benefit of the doubt, even if they have a couple more losses than us.
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I'm just saying that as much as we rip the Houston, Nevada and Gonzaga's of the cbb world for not playing anyone in conference, we should also look at the fact that we've played exactly one ranked team in 2019. Again, not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if you want a spot on the top 2 lines, and your resume gets put next to some of these other teams that have played 5, 6, 7 ranked teams in the same span, they're going to get the benefit of the doubt, even if they have a couple more losses than us.
Your point is correct, but I'd like to reframe it. The NCAA doesn't use the AP rankings.
We have played 0 teams in the top 25 in 2019. Nova is NET 28, St John's is 47, Butler 49.
DePaul at 108 is the only team outside of the Top 100 that we've played this year, but it's still not the most challenging schedule.
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I still will root for the BigEast team in the tourney. Those NCAA unit payouts can add up.
Basically one unit for every game. If the conference has one team that's out in the first game.
That one unit is a bit over $272,000, which will be paid to the conference for each of the next 6 years. Roughly $1.7 million over 6 years, divided by the teams in the conference.
5 units per year for each of six years, pays a conference over $8 million a year.
averaging 10 units per year, pays the conference over $16.3 million a year.
The BigEast earned 13 units last season. At that pace that's over $21 million a year.
The Pac12 earned 3 units. Split at least 12 ways, means each school will take home $400-425,000 each year. Doesn't make a dent in their athletic budgets.
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Your point is correct, but I'd like to reframe it. The NCAA doesn't use the AP rankings.
We have played 0 teams in the top 25 in 2019. Nova is NET 28, St John's is 47, Butler 49.
DePaul at 108 is the only team outside of the Top 100 that we've played this year, but it's still not the most challenging schedule.
We're talking about getting a 2 seed right, so lets compare to the current 2s in bracketmatrix.
MU has had 3 Q1A games, we're 2-1, and only have 1 more in the regular season
Tenn has had 6 Q1A games, they're 3-3, and have 3 more Q1A games in the regular season
MSU has had 7 Q1A games and are 4-3 with 1 more opportunity
Mich has had 6 Q1A games and are 4-2 with 2 more opportunities
UNC has had 7 Q1A games, and are 4-2 with 1 more opportunity
Yes, we've had fewer opportunities which was largely out of our control, but it's that much harder to stack up to the teams with 7-10 Q1A games. The same reason that Nevada gets knocked, and that Gonzaga has gotten knocked for years, is affecting us this year. Just winning alone will not get us to the 2 line, we will also need some help.
*I believe I counted Q1A games correctly, I might be off by 1 or 2, but the point still stands.
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I still will root for the BigEast team in the tourney. Those NCAA unit payouts can add up.
Basically one unit for every game. If the conference has one team that's out in the first game.
That one unit is a bit over $272,000, which will be paid to the conference for each of the next 6 years. Roughly $1.7 million over 6 years, divided by the teams in the conference.
5 units per year for each of six years, pays a conference over $8 million a year.
averaging 10 units per year, pays the conference over $16.3 million a year.
The BigEast earned 13 units last season. At that pace that's over $21 million a year.
The Pac12 earned 3 units. Split at least 12 ways, means each school will take home $400-425,000 each year. Doesn't make a dent in their athletic budgets.
Look, everyone talks about the $$ aspect of getting more bids, it's better for MU etc..MU has NEVER regardless of conference, ever skimped on spending in men's basketball. Besides, what's going to happen?? Is the conference going to fold because they don't have enough $$?? When has that EVER happened?? The better the conference is, does NOT raise MU's profile...MU raises MU's profile. What I mean is, and here's an example...has playing in the American conference hurt Houston this year?? They are going to be a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA's. For years and years Memphis rolled through their conference and earned a #1 seed and made the national Championship game in 2008.
Villanova has won 2 of the last three national Championships...do you think they need the conference to be really good in order to get National recognition, or get good recruits?? Hell No! The BE could be one of the worst conferences in America, and because Nova has those two National Championships, they will do just fine by themselves. I want MU to dominate the BE, every single year, whether it's up, down or somewhere in between...That's the BEST thing MU could do for themselves. Whether 6 teams make the tourney from the BE in a given year, or two do, what matters most for MU is how MU does..period.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of Sunday February 24. It will be interesting when they post the actual formulas for the rankings to see simulations of how schedules could have made a difference. For example what if DePaul would have done an OOC tournament this year <and won a couple of games, how would that impact the rest of the league?
New Old
17 17 Marquette
28 27 Villanova
47 47 St. John's (NY)
49 49 Butler
54 53 Creighton
62 63 Seton Hall
73 73 Georgetown
82 81 Providence
84 90 Xavier
108 110 DePaul
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Look, everyone talks about the $$ aspect of getting more bids, it's better for MU etc..MU has NEVER regardless of conference, ever skimped on spending in men's basketball. Besides, what's going to happen?? Is the conference going to fold because they don't have enough $$?? When has that EVER happened?? The better the conference is, does NOT raise MU's profile...MU raises MU's profile. What I mean is, and here's an example...has playing in the American conference hurt Houston this year?? They are going to be a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA's. For years and years Memphis rolled through their conference and earned a #1 seed and made the national Championship game in 2008.
Villanova has won 2 of the last three national Championships...do you think they need the conference to be really good in order to get National recognition, or get good recruits?? Hell No! The BE could be one of the worst conferences in America, and because Nova has those two National Championships, they will do just fine by themselves. I want MU to dominate the BE, every single year, whether it's up, down or somewhere in between...That's the BEST thing MU could do for themselves. Whether 6 teams make the tourney from the BE in a given year, or two do, what matters most for MU is how MU does..period.
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The basic point you are making is that we control our own destiny is always true.
However, being a member of a financially strong conference is critically important from the standpoint of competing for recruits at the highest levels. Recruits are filtered and sorted by their talent level. That sorting and filtering goes both ways. The recruits want to play at the highest level they can. The Big East is perceived by recruits ,and their families ,as a highly desirable conference. In fact , outside of the blue blood programs, Big East schools can consistently compete and sign the top talent with every school out there. It is a fact kids want to play against quality competition in fancy facilities.
Hence, it is important that year in and year out Big East fields as many teams in the tournament and hopefully they do well. Villanova winning two National Championships helps every school in the conference not only with money but with perception at the recruiting level. Villanova is now getting the type of recruits it could only dream about in years past. The league as a whole is upping their recruiting profile as a result of Villanova success.
This Big East league success all feeds into the next TV contract. Very important to sustain a quality TV deal not only for financial reasons but for visibility. That also enables the schools to schedule in ways that are advantageous. Not only buy games but home and home with other quality schools.
Remember Big East does not have football, so it does need it is flagship sport ,Basketball, to be at the gold standard of college basketball.
To see what happens when a conference as a whole does not succeed, look at the West Coast Conference. Their conference is academically similar to ours , faith based mid sized schools and they all have good endowments. The success has not been there consistently beyond Gonzaga, St.Marys and Brigham Young. Hence sometimes they sometimes only get one bid for the conference. The lack of specific financial resources for facilities etc really hurts their image with recruits. Becomes a self fulfilling thing.
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Articulated extremely well Herman. A rising tide lifts all ships
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Guru:
The basic point you are making is that we control our own destiny is always true.
However, being a member of a financially strong conference is critically important from the standpoint of competing for recruits at the highest levels. Recruits are filtered and sorted by their talent level. That sorting and filtering goes both ways. The recruits want to play at the highest level they can. The Big East is perceived by recruits ,and their families ,as a highly desirable conference. In fact , outside of the blue blood programs, Big East schools can consistently compete and sign the top talent with every school out there. It is a fact kids want to play against quality competition in fancy facilities.
Hence, it is important that year in and year out Big East fields as many teams in the tournament and hopefully they do well. Villanova winning two National Championships helps every school in the conference not only with money but with perception at the recruiting level. Villanova is now getting the type of recruits it could only dream about in years past. The league as a whole is upping their recruiting profile as a result of Villanova success.
This Big East league success all feeds into the next TV contract. Very important to sustain a quality TV deal not only for financial reasons but for visibility. That also enables the schools to schedule in ways that are advantageous. Not only buy games but home and home with other quality schools.
Remember Big East does not have football, so it does need it is flagship sport ,Basketball, to be at the gold standard of college basketball.
To see what happens when a conference as a whole does not succeed, look at the West Coast Conference. Their conference is academically similar to ours , faith based mid sized schools and they all have good endowments. The success has not been there consistently beyond Gonzaga, St.Marys and Brigham Young. Hence sometimes they sometimes only get one bid for the conference. The lack of specific financial resources for facilities etc really hurts their image with recruits. Becomes a self fulfilling thing.
Here's the thing Herman...Why is Villanova pulling in those recruits?? I can 100% guarantee you it has a hell of a lot more to do with Nova winning 2 Natty's in the last three years then it does how good the BE is or isn't. If you are that good, kids want to come and play there regardless. You brought up the WCC...thanks you for bringing that up..Is Gonzaga hurt by the weakness of their conference?? They made the National Champ game, they have been(and are currently) ranked #1 in the country...they get top recruiting classes...They blow through that conference every single year...it hasn't stopped them from being one of the top teams in CBB has it?? If you're good, kids will play for you, it's that simple. Be good enough to compete for a National Championship year in and year out...you will get recruits, regardless of conference affiliation, TV contracts or anything else.
The BE, whether good or bad year in and year out, has little effect on Marquette's success going forward. You know what has the most effect on MU's success going forward?? They do. It's that simple. If they can sustain the level they are at now(and go higher) in the next few years, I guarantee you kids they never thought they could get will come play for MU...Why?? Because of how good THEY are, not how good or bad the conference is. In fact, a stronger conference can hurt MU...they could get kids MU would lose out on because they have been more successful then MU. MU raises it's own profile by their production on the court..and they will be just fine.
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It might be considered splitting hairs but I feel like you are missing the point. A good or great Marquette team benefits from a strong conference in every way. Of course their own performance will be the biggest determining factor. But here we are, eyeing a possible runaway reg season BE title, and having conversations about hoping for a 2 seed if we win out AND win the BET.
Sorry dude, conference performance matters. Better opponents = more battle tested teams + better seeding = better odds of deep tourney runs = more opportunities for sustained success. Point at Gonzaga all you want, they are an outlier.
If this team is as good as we all think it is, I don't see how how it would be a disservice to them to have 3-5 more games against quality opponents before going into the time of year where 10 minutes of sloppiness ends your season. Not to mention we'd be a 2 seed instead of a 3
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MU FF appearances in Beast: 0
MU FF appearances in CUSA:1
Why did we ever accept an invitation to a conference that has hurt our program. Further, why aren't we still independent, we had far more success without a conference than we've had with one.
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It might be considered splitting hairs but I feel like you are missing the point. A good or great Marquette team benefits from a strong conference in every way. Of course their own performance will be the biggest determining factor. But here we are, eyeing a possible runaway reg season BE title, and having conversations about hoping for a 2 seed if we win out AND win the BET.
Sorry dude, conference performance matters. Better opponents = more battle tested teams + better seeding = better odds of deep tourney runs = more opportunities for sustained success. Point at Gonzaga all you want, they are an outlier.
If this team is as good as we all think it is, I don't see how how it would be a disservice to them to have 3-5 more games against quality opponents before going into the time of year where 10 minutes of sloppiness ends your season. Not to mention we'd be a 2 seed instead of a 3
MU would be a 2 seed right now had they just beaten Indiana..that has nothing to do with how good or bad the Big East has been this year. That's just reality. I have to point to Gonzaga, because they just keep doing it, year after year after year. That's more than just an outlier. Look at Houston this year...the American isn't a great conference, and Houston has rolled through it...yet here they are as a 3 seed, and quite possibly a 2 seed when it's all said and done. I'd say their conference hasn't effected them at all.
I get what you are saying to an extent, but I just don't think conference success has that big of an effect on MU going forward. MU's success is based simply on them..You really don't think that if MU was Nova and had won 2 of the last 3 Natty's, that because the Big East was down a little bit this year that top recruits would think twice about coming to MU?? Hell to the no. kids want to go where they will win more than anything else. Do kids go to Duke and UNC because of the ACC or because they are Duke and UNC?? The ACC could be trash every year and the top kids would still go to Duke and UNC, why?? Because they know that they have a legit shot to play for a Natty every single year.
If MU continues to go say 30-4 every year for the next three years as an example, but the BE isn't all that good, I assure you, MU will still be a 3-4 seed at worst every year and possibly a 2.
I have NEVER ever been one to complain about the non conference schedule like some do every year. That being said, if they think the BE is going to be down, then they need to schedule accordingly in the non conference to make up for that. I think we saw some of that this year honestly.
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MU would be a 2 seed right now had they just beaten Indiana..that has nothing to do with how good or bad the Big East has been this year. That's just reality. I have to point to Gonzaga, because they just keep doing it, year after year after year. That's more than just an outlier. Look at Houston this year...the American isn't a great conference, and Houston has rolled through it...yet here they are as a 3 seed, and quite possibly a 2 seed when it's all said and done. I'd say their conference hasn't effected them at all.
I get what you are saying to an extent, but I just don't think conference success has that big of an effect on MU going forward. MU's success is based simply on them..You really don't think that if MU was Nova and had won 2 of the last 3 Natty's, that because the Big East was down a little bit this year that top recruits would think twice about coming to MU?? Hell to the no. kids want to go where they will win more than anything else. Do kids go to Duke and UNC because of the ACC or because they are Duke and UNC?? The ACC could be trash every year and the top kids would still go to Duke and UNC, why?? Because they know that they have a legit shot to play for a Natty every single year.
If MU continues to go say 30-4 every year for the next three years as an example, but the BE isn't all that good, I assure you, MU will still be a 3-4 seed at worst every year and possibly a 2.
I have NEVER ever been one to complain about the non conference schedule like some do every year. That being said, if they think the BE is going to be down, then they need to schedule accordingly in the non conference to make up for that. I think we saw some of that this year honestly.
Theres a fault in your logic here. Yes, if we beat IU we could be a 2 seed, but if BE is better and we had same record plus IU win, we could be a 1 seed. Q1 wins matter.
Plus houston coach even had an interview where he talked about the challenges he faces recruiting because of the conference. I'll try to find it. Either way, it will be hard for them to maintain success year in and year out.
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Another factor, when you're the big (or only) dog in a conference, what happens when the coach leaves? What will Gonzaga be post-Few? Will it look like what happened when Memphis was the last titan standing in C-USA and Cal left? When you have a quality conference, it's easier to sustain that success because people are coming for the entire league.
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If MU continues to go say 30-4 every year for the next three years as an example, but the BE isn't all that good, I assure you, MU will still be a 3-4 seed at worst every year and possibly a 2.
If any team from the Big 10, Big 12, ACC or SEC goes 30-4 they'll be 1 seeds.
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Here's the thing Herman...Why is Villanova pulling in those recruits?? I can 100% guarantee you it has a hell of a lot more to do with Nova winning 2 Natty's in the last three years then it does how good the BE is or isn't. If you are that good, kids want to come and play there regardless. You brought up the WCC...thanks you for bringing that up..Is Gonzaga hurt by the weakness of their conference?? They made the National Champ game, they have been(and are currently) ranked #1 in the country...they get top recruiting classes...They blow through that conference every single year...it hasn't stopped them from being one of the top teams in CBB has it?? If you're good, kids will play for you, it's that simple. Be good enough to compete for a National Championship year in and year out...you will get recruits, regardless of conference affiliation, TV contracts or anything else.
The BE, whether good or bad year in and year out, has little effect on Marquette's success going forward. You know what has the most effect on MU's success going forward?? They do. It's that simple. If they can sustain the level they are at now(and go higher) in the next few years, I guarantee you kids they never thought they could get will come play for MU...Why?? Because of how good THEY are, not how good or bad the conference is. In fact, a stronger conference can hurt MU...they could get kids MU would lose out on because they have been more successful then MU. MU raises it's own profile by their production on the court..and they will be just fine.
Lets look at the Villanova case. Prior to the reincarnation of the Big East in its current form, the previous version of the Big East was considered to be the strongest conference in college basketball. It had the full backing of ESPN and an incredible history. The key seniors and juniors on Villanova's 2015-2016 Championship team were all recruited under the old Big East structure.
The league was able to come out of the box strong with lots of rated teams and tournament bids its first 5 years out of the box which kept the momentum going. However, it should be pointed out that the prominent seniors on the 2016-17 classes of Big East team that got 7 bids were recruited under the Old Big East Structure. The players Villanova are recruiting now that they earned a second national title are of a significantly higher profile than prior years. Those players are not going to play in a conference that is perceived to be of lesser quality. Hence, it is very important that the league itself maintain a strong foundation.
The non Villanova schools are all benefiting from the league being strong. Look at Xavier, they just lost their top tier coach, yet they were able to land a very big recruiting class for next year and are continuously involved with many top level players. Some of that is because Xavier has been a consistent winner. However,the other part is that they also offer kids a chance to play in a top tier conference.
The basic point I will agree with you on is that winning and getting in tournaments can lead to continue success and recruit interest. However, having a strong league , lots of financial resources and visibility make the path much easier for the entirety of the conference. A strong league is what enables teams to reload when they have an off year and not have to rebuild.
History and rivalries are what make conferences interesting to fans and Media. Where there is fan interest and excitement recruits follow. Big East keeps building in those areas. We are six years into the conference as currently constituted. We have done well as a league without MU and Georgetown tracking to their historical levels. MU is now back and Georgetown is on the way. Even DePaul has moved from wretched to solid mediocrity. Next year they may even be a mid tier team.
MU has to make the most of the chance it will have this year, hopefully Markus comes back next year and we will have another chance. I think if we win big this year, all the great local players we are looking at become realistic possibilities for signing.
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If any team from the Big 10, Big 12, ACC or SEC goes 30-4 they'll be 1 seeds.
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Agreed though the same is true for the Big East as it is currently constructed in any other year but this one.
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Lets look at the Villanova case. Prior to the reincarnation of the Big East in its current form, the previous version of the Big East was considered to be the strongest conference in college basketball. It had the full backing of ESPN and an incredible history. The key seniors and juniors on Villanova's 2015-2016 Championship team were all recruited under the old Big East structure.
The league was able to come out of the box strong with lots of rated teams and tournament bids its first 5 years out of the box which kept the momentum going. However, it should be pointed out that the prominent seniors on the 2016-17 classes of Big East team that got 7 bids were recruited under the Old Big East Structure. The players Villanova are recruiting now that they earned a second national title are of a significantly higher profile than prior years. Those players are not going to play in a conference that is perceived to be of lesser quality. Hence, it is very important that the league itself maintain a strong foundation.
The non Villanova schools are all benefiting from the league being strong. Look at Xavier, they just lost their top tier coach, yet they were able to land a very big recruiting class for next year and are continuously involved with many top level players. Some of that is because Xavier has been a consistent winner. However,the other part is that they also offer kids a chance to play in a top tier conference.
The basic point I will agree with you on is that winning and getting in tournaments can lead to continue success and recruit interest. However, having a strong league , lots of financial resources and visibility make the path much easier for the entirety of the conference. A strong league is what enables teams to reload when they have an off year and not have to rebuild.
History and rivalries are what make conferences interesting to fans and Media. Where there is fan interest and excitement recruits follow. Big East keeps building in those areas. We are six years into the conference as currently constituted. We have done well as a league without MU and Georgetown tracking to their historical levels. MU is now back and Georgetown is on the way. Even DePaul has moved from wretched to solid mediocrity. Next year they may even be a mid tier team.
MU has to make the most of the chance it will have this year, hopefully Markus comes back next year and we will have another chance. I think if we win big this year, all the great local players we are looking at become realistic possibilities for signing.
I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.
It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.
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I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.
It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.
Not the same at all, the bears or Vikings don't have to share the $$ they get for being successful with the packers. Additionally, if the whole division is top seeds in the NFL there's no consideration for the last place team, whereas college that would help them get a look with those were their only losses.
That being said if it came down to MU knocking one of those teams out in the round of 32 so we could get a sweet 16 or that team knocking us out in the same round and they were a shoe in for the Final four I'd pick MU every time (see 2011 us vs cuse)
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I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.
It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.
Except the further our conference brethren go in the tournament, the more $ MU gets to spend on retaining coaching staff, facilities, recruiting, etc. It also makes it easier to recruit to a highly competitive conference.
Best case scenario is that MU & the entire BEast go undefeated in the non-con, MU goes undefeated in conference play, and MU wins the natty in an all-BEast final four
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I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.
It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.
As others have pointed out, NFL and NCAA basketball are very different because of $$$. But beyond that I want to address the bolded. How are conference brethern do in non-conference play has a HUGE impact on MU's seeding. We want every team in the Big East to go undefeated in non-conference play. If the other Big East teams had done better in the non-conference, we could be the #1 team in the nation right now instead of fighting to get into the top 10.
So you should always root for Big East teams in non-conference play because it helps Marquette. If you don't care about the money or prestige then you don't need to cheer for them in the tournament.
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I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.
It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.
As stated above, the NFL and NCAAB are very different situations, and for reasons they state are not comparable.
Also, no one here is saying the bolded part in your message. MU is still priority #1.
Think of it this way. If you are commuting to work on the interstate, your goal is to get to work on time or early. You don't care if the other cars on the road get to their destination on time. Also, as you mentioned, you have no solace if you are late but others make it on time. You the commuter only care about you. However, if everyone else is going slow or there is a traffic jam, it is going to affect what time you get to work. Commuting to work in the city and NCAAB success both do not happen in a bubble. While you control what time you leave for work, that you have a full tank of gas, you check traffic reports (just as MU recruits well, plays hard, practices well, etc) outside factors will affect you/MU.
I know it's a weird analogy, but all we're saying is we want MU to do as well as possible, and a strong BE helps us do that, so we're going to support the BE right up to the point of where it might negatively affect us.
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Except the further our conference brethren go in the tournament, the more $ MU gets to spend on retaining coaching staff, facilities, recruiting, etc. It also makes it easier to recruit to a highly competitive conference.
Best case scenario is that MU & the entire BEast go undefeated in the non-con, MU goes undefeated in conference play, and MU wins the natty in an all-BEast final four
I don't think MU will ever have a problem spending on their BB program.
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Best case scenario is that MU & the entire BEast go undefeated in the non-con, MU goes undefeated in conference play, and MU wins the natty in an all-BEast final four
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+1
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I don't think MU will ever have a problem spending on their BB program.
Zero sum game my man. If we don't get it someone else does, meaning they have more to spend on their program. As a competitor, you should care about getting as far ahead of the competition as possible.
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Must win for Butler tonight at home against PC.
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I assume, for.our resume, we want PC?
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Must win for Butler tonight at home against PC.
And like every other bubble team in the Big East they fold to a lesser team at home. No one 4-10 wants to Dance.
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Must win for Butler tonight at home against PC.
Friars win in OT. Butler’s tourney hopes now depend upon the BET.
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Friars win in OT. Butler’s tourney hopes now depend upon the BET.
Ya I think they’re toast barring them winning out to BET final.
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...aaaaaand DePaul is once again in sole possession of last place.
#sleepinggiant
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Georgetown May be making a late season run for the tournament. Got a solid win over DePaul tonight.
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Current Standings:
Marquette 12-3
Villanova 12-4
St. Johns 8-7
Georgetown 7-8
Xavier 7-8
Seton Hall 7-8
Butler 6-9
Creighton 6-9
Providence 6-10
Depaul 5-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 15-3
[vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Nova 14-4
[vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
3. SJU 10-8
[vs. X (W); @Depaul (W); @ X (L)]
4. Creighton 8-10
[@MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
5. Xavier 8-10
[@SJU (L); @Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
9. Seton Hall 7-11
[@Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
10. Depaul 5-13
[vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Depaul
Butler vs. Seton Hall
Marquette vs. Butler/Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Xavier
Nova vs. PC/Depaul Winner
SJU vs. Gtown
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We dropped 4 spots in the NET for losing at Nova?
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We dropped 4 spots in the NET for losing at Nova?
The NET has made zero sense thus far...UW lost AT Indiana, and yet only dropped one or two spots I believe.
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We dropped three spots. And again, the NET is a score not a ranking. For all we know, we were in a four way tie for 18th with Nevada, Wofford, and Mississippi State and the loss to Nova just dropped us .01 on our score dropping us to 21st.
Wisconsin I believe dropped 2 spots after the loss to Indiana. For all we know, they had 3 point lead on the two teams behind them and those 2 spots were actually a massive drop.
I really wish they would just release the nuts and bolts of the NET.
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Xavier up 8 at halftime at SJU.
Win would be 5 in a row for X and put them in a tie them for 3rd place with SJU at 8-8.
Zoiks.
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Xavier up 8 at halftime at SJU.
Win would be 5 in a row for X and put them in a tie them for 3rd place with SJU at 8-8.
Zoiks.
I think Xavier is a dark horse to win the BET
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Tremendous College Basketball environment at Carnesseca tonight . Fun game to watch .
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Ponds has a wrist injury... he is playing but it is bothering him.
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Xavier up 8 at halftime at SJU.
Win would be 5 in a row for X and put them in a tie them for 3rd place with SJU at 8-8.
Zoiks.
This is totally okay...Xavier finishing 3rd ahead of SJU would also help MU in their quest to be the #1 seed in the BET(kn case of a tie with Nova).
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Tremendous College Basketball environment at Carnesseca tonight . Fun game to watch .
Absolutely.
And Mullin in melt down mode.
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StJ thug team, thug crowd. WTF, Mullen eat some bad shrimp or what???
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They are in bad form this evening.
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This is totally okay...Xavier finishing 3rd ahead of SJU would also help MU in their quest to be the #1 seed in the BET(kn case of a tie with Nova).
Also would mean we likely get SJU on their home court in the semis. Less than ideal.
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Also would mean we likely get SJU on their home court in the semis. Less than ideal.
Doesn't bother me, they don't play all that well in MSG in the BET or during the regular season.
On a side note, what is with the weird BE scheduling where, some teams are playing each other twice in the last three weeks of the season. I mean I don't know that it's necessarily an advantage or a disadvantage either way, it's just weird that Xavier plays SJU twice in three games, DePaul plays Georgetown twice in the last three games, Butler plays Providence twice in the last 4 games. You have an even number of teams, couldn't you make it work where every team plays everyone else once in the first half, and once in the second half?? Again, not an advantage or disadvantage either way i don't think, it's just some weird scheduling.
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Also would mean we likely get SJU on their home court in the semis. Less than ideal.
Whoever they play in the 1st round
Is the exact type of game SJU has been losing all conference season.
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of Wednesday February 27. Will be interesting to see how X fares after tonight's road win over The Johnnies.
New Old
21 18 Marquette
27 28 Villanova
49 48 St. John's (NY)
54 52 Butler
56 57 Creighton
65 64 Seton Hall
71 74 Georgetown
77 78 Providence
83 83 Xavier
110 110 DePaul
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When St John's fans talked crap about beating us again at the BET, I reminded them they would have to beat another team or two before they got the chance. That seems unlikely.
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St John's gonna grab an 11 seed at best. So inconsistent lol... hell with how X has played who knows??? And FU*K the net ranking drop us ok. The ap voters Going to drop us to 23 cuz our name ok. unnatural carnal knowledge you aunts
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St John's gonna grab an 11 seed at best. So inconsistent lol... hell with how X has played who knows??? And FU*K the net ranking drop us ok. The ap voters Going to drop us to 23 cuz our name ok. unnatural carnal knowledge you aunts
Mix in a water
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Mix in a water
Lmao.. yeah wasnt proud discovering my post this morning
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Current Standings:
Marquette 12-3
Villanova 12-4
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-8
Georgetown 7-8
Seton Hall 7-8
Butler 6-9
Creighton 6-9
Providence 6-10
Depaul 5-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 15-3
[vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Nova 14-4
[vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
3. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
4. SJU 9-9
[@Depaul (W); @ X (L)]
5. Creighton 8-10
[@MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
6. Georgetown 8-10
[vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
9. Seton Hall 7-11
[@Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
10. Depaul 5-13
[vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Depaul
Butler vs. Seton Hall
Marquette vs. Butler/Hall Winner
SJU vs. Creighton
Nova vs. PC/Depaul Winner
X vs. Gtown
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Go Butler!
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Current Standings:
Marquette 12-3
Villanova 12-4
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-8
Georgetown 7-8
Seton Hall 7-8
Butler 6-9
Creighton 6-9
Providence 6-10
Depaul 5-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 15-3
[vs. Creighton (W); @SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Nova 14-4
[vs. Butler (W); @SHU (W)]
3. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
4. SJU 9-9
[@Depaul (W); @ X (L)]
5. Creighton 8-10
[@MU (L); vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
6. Georgetown 8-10
[vs. SHU (W); @ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@Nova (L); vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
9. Seton Hall 7-11
[@Gtown (L); vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
10. Depaul 5-13
[vs. SJU (L); vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Depaul
Butler vs. Seton Hall
Marquette vs. Butler/Hall Winner
SJU vs. Creighton
Nova vs. PC/Depaul Winner
X vs. Gtown
lol that would suck
Creighton is the one team who has proven they can't handle SJU at all.
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lol that would suck
Creighton is the one team who has proven they can't handle SJU at all.
Yah, I think that is about as not ideal as you can get. But there is a lot of basketball left to be played. SJU beats X next weekend and its not a problem. Seton Hall wins 2/3, its not a problem. Plenty of scenarios that could still play out.
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Xavier moves up to 71 on the NET........another Quad 1 win for MU.
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Xavier moves up to 71 on the NET........another Quad 1 win for MU.
X and Gtown right in front of the 75 cut line. Providence right behind it.
Just keeping 2 of the 3 as Q1 would be great.
Not sure there is a path for all 3 but thatd be phenomenal.
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X and Gtown right in front of the 75 cut line. Providence right behind it.
Just keeping 2 of the 3 as Q1 would be great.
Not sure there is a path for all 3 but thatd be phenomenal.
They don't play each other so there is absolutely a path. They just need to keep winning.
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They don't play each other so there is absolutely a path. They just need to keep winning.
Georgetown needs to lose one.
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Go Butler!
Would it honestly be that shocking to see Butler go into Nova and win tomorrow?? After Wednesday night with Nova...seems like a classic "let down" spot.
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Would it honestly be that shocking to see Butler go into Nova and win tomorrow?? After Wednesday night with Nova...seems like a classic "let down" spot.
I'd be pretty surprised.
Butler just isn't very good. NOva is home.
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Georgetown needs to lose one.
Oh I agree. I was just saying there was a path, just not the right path!
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Thursday February 28.
New Old
21 21 Marquette
27 27 Villanova
54 54 Butler
57 56 Creighton
59 49 St. John's (NY)
64 65 Seton Hall
71 83 Xavier
72 71 Georgetown
78 77 Providence
110 110 DePaul
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I'd be pretty surprised.
Butler just isn't very good. NOva is home.
Neither is Nova
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Neither is Nova
Not gonna happen.
Nova is undoubtedly more talented than Butler and at home. That's a Guru double whammy.
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Medicare for all. Livalble Imcome.for everyone working 40 hours week
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Neither is Nova
Then butler is really, really bad.
They aint even
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Seton Hall just isn’t very good. They may pull this game out, but they’ve played horrible for the majority of the game.
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OT in DC.
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The Hall has chances and couldn’t close it.
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Gtown staying Q1
Hall in trouble now
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Just back from Georgetown/Hall game. There is no way that MU should lose to either of these teams. If they do, then they should look at themselves in the lockeroom mirrors. I actually had really great seats by the floor and the turnovers, brick shots, time clock violations, etc. were incredible. Just not good basketball, but ended up a decent ending.
Georgetown - Okinjo is real quick, but him and McClung are turnover prone big time. Markus may just have a field day.
With the exception of the second overtime, Govan did not hustle, run and appeared disinterested in the
game. In second overtime, he was way better. BTW, Patrick Ewing is a very large man.
Hall - Two man team, believe Powell had half their points, Marku had most of the others. Shut down Powell and game is
over. They had major losses from last year and they have done just fine but I have no clue how they beat Kentucky
Lets hope MU can play up to their potential for these two teams and no let down.
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That Gtown/Hall game is exactly why you have to play straight up D in a one possession game late. At the end of regulation, Gtown doubled Powell and he made the pass for an easy game tying bucket. At the end of OT, they triple teamed Powell and he made the pass for an easy lay-up.
Sometimes your best defender will fall down and give Ponds an easy lay-up, but gambling and double or triple teaming him will ultimately end up with an even easier shot for someone else more often than not.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Saturday March 2. Will be interesting to see when they actually publish the formula. Georgetown won yesterday and their ranking fell. Seton Hall lost yesterday and their ranking rose. Go figure.
New Old
19 21 Marquette
26 27 Villanova
57 56 Creighton
58 59 St. John's (NY)
60 55 Butler
63 64 Seton Hall
70 70 Xavier
72 71 Georgetown
78 77 Providence
110 111 DePaul
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SJU up 3 with 17 mins left but have seven players with 2 or 3 fouls
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The Johnnies up 6 at the first second half media timeout.
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Tied 55 55 11:17 left second.
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SJU is done unless Ponds goes nuts
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this game is unbearable to watch with the fouls
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Ref show
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Strus having a big game
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Literally a whistle every possession. Unwatchable
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DePaul up 4 2:25 left
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Another SJU loss
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Ha, Depaul has missed 10 free throws, 8 of them by Olujibi. Thanks to Strus going nuclear, looks like a Depaul win.
Depaul would sweep St. Johns and St. Johns sweeps MU. Strange.
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That Gtown/Hall game is exactly why you have to play straight up D in a one possession game late. At the end of regulation, Gtown doubled Powell and he made the pass for an easy game tying bucket. At the end of OT, they triple teamed Powell and he made the pass for an easy lay-up.
Sometimes your best defender will fall down and give Ponds an easy lay-up, but gambling and double or triple teaming him will ultimately end up with an even easier shot for someone else more often than not.
Maybe ... but DePaul has sent defender after defender on Ponds, obviously refusing to let him beat them down the stretch, and the rest of the Johnnies aren't up to the task.
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Ha, Depaul has missed 10 free throws, 8 of them by Olujibi. Thanks to Strus going nuclear, looks like a Depaul win.
Depaul would sweep St. Johns and St. Johns sweeps MU. Strange.
Wait till the fat lady sings before declaring victory lol...
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Congrats to DePaul . Strus with 43 wow
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Lucky number 59.
Depaul scored 59 in second half.
Total fouls in game 59.
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A team that many here thought would be the class of the conference just got swept..by Depaul..yet MU lost to them twice..think about that..SJU lost to everyone in the BE except MU and Creighton...but..on the plus side it helps MU towards the #1 seed..makes SJU's task tougher of finishing 3rd now
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St john is a trainwreck offensively. Not just this game which was a difference of Strus simply going off but to have so many weapons and stand around each possesion with five guys literally standing in place. No ball movement, no player movement and then a bad shot is so broken and hard to watch. If i was an SJU grad i would be beside myself. Mullin needs to revamp his offensive philospohy or get a new offensive coordinator. Less than impressed with ST. Jean.
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Is it a must win for St. John's at Xavier next Saturday for its tourney hopes?
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St john is a trainwreck offensively. Not just this game which was a difference of Strus simply going off but to have so many weapons and stand around each possesion with five guys literally standing in place. No ball movement, no player movement and then a bad shot is so broken and hard to watch. If i was an SJU grad i would be beside myself. Mullin needs to revamp his offensive philospohy or get a new offensive coordinator. Less than impressed with ST. Jean.
Alternatively they could recruit kids that come out of basketball cultures where winning is primary objective. Of course that is easier said than done.
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Is it a must win for St. John's at Xavier next Saturday for its tourney hopes?
That team is toast. They are going to lose by 10+ at Xavier and lose in the first round of the BET. They will miss the NCAA tournament.
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Is it a must win for St. John's at Xavier next Saturday for its tourney hopes?
The bubble is so bad that 8-10 might be enough, which is sad when you consider we went 9-9 last year with a better team. Those three wins over us & Nova are big.
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Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 6-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU's 6 wins to Nova's 3; Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H (1st tiebreaker); both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd (2nd tiebreaker).*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
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Remaining Big East Schedule w/ TRANK's line
Tuesday, March 5
Xavier @ Butler (Butler -5)
Wednesday, March 6
Marquette @ Seton Hall (Marquette -1)
Providence @ Creighton (Creighton -7)
Georgetown @ Depaul (Depaul -2)
Saturday, March 9
Butler @ Providence (Providence -2)
Villanova @ Seton Hall (Villanova -1)
Georgetown @ Marquette (Marquette -10)
St. John's @ Xavier (Xavier -3)
Depaul @ Creighton (Creighton -10)
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Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 6-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
Small correction. Nova is 2-2 vs. Gtown and X so we'd win that tiebreaker.
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Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 6-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[vs. X (W); @PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
At this point, beyond winning our two remaining games, I think the following are important.
-If we want to win the BE regular season title, most likely need at least 1 of Seton Hall over Nova, or X over SJU. X over SJU puts SJU likely in Dayton at 8-10, but we really don't want SJU in a tie for 3rd place since they swept us. No one swept Nova, so I don't believe there is away to get BE regular season title tie breaker over Nova if SJU is tied for 3rd.
-As far as maxing Big East bids, any wins for Depaul, PC or Butler at this point are not good for that goal. Xavier over Butler, Creighton over PC, GTown over Depaul, Creighton over Depaul are best for trying to get more bids.
It is going to be very interesting to see how this shakes out. It is still possible for just 2 teams over .500, one at .500 (one of X or SJU have to be .500 since they still play eachother and both have 8 wins), and the rest 8-10 or 7-11. Crazy.
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Small correction. Nova is 2-2 vs. Gtown and X so we'd win that tiebreaker.
Thank you for the catch! A lot of moving parts!
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Small correction. Nova is 2-2 vs. Gtown and X so we'd win that tiebreaker.
Actually, nope I think I was right. 3rd seed is X and Creighton. Both Nova and Marquette are 3-1 against that "mini conference", therefore it would go to 3rd tie breaker, which is BE road record.
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I actually think Xavier wins both this week to go 10-8, Georgetown splits to go 9-9, Creighton wins both to go 9-9 and SJU loses(obviously if I think Xavier wins both), to go 8-10. That's what I think will happen, and if so, MU would win the tiebreaker because of their sweep of Xavier.
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I actually think Xavier wins both this week to go 10-8, Georgetown splits to go 9-9, Creighton wins both to go 9-9 and SJU loses(obviously if I think Xavier wins both), to go 8-10. That's what I think will happen, and if so, MU would win the tiebreaker because of their sweep of Xavier.
Yah, that would work too.
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Actually, nope I think I was right. 3rd seed is X and Creighton. Both Nova and Marquette are 3-1 against that "mini conference", therefore it would go to 3rd tie breaker, which is BE road record.
We were looking at different things. I was looking at the current 3rd place teams. You were looking at the T Rank forecasted 3rd place teams. Makes sense.
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At this point, beyond winning our two remaining games, I think the following are important.
-If we want to win the BE regular season title, most likely need at least 1 of Seton Hall over Nova, or X over SJU. X over SJU puts SJU likely in Dayton at 8-10, but we really don't want SJU in a tie for 3rd place since they swept us. No one swept Nova, so I don't believe there is away to get BE regular season title tie breaker over Nova if SJU is tied for 3rd.
It should be noted that the #1 seed tie breaker does not matter for the regular season title. A tie is co-champs.
Marquette is outright champs with two wins and a Villanova loss.
Nova needs either a win and MU loss, or two MU losses for the outright title.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Sunday March 3.
New Old
25 26 Villanova
26 19 Marquette
50 57 Creighton
59 60 Butler
61 58 St. John's (NY)
63 63 Seton Hall
70 70 Xavier
72 72 Georgetown
78 78 Providence
104 110 DePaul
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Marquette and Big East fans should be rooting for Xavier tonight over Butler.
But knowing this league, Butler wins and creates a more flustered situation.
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Marquette and Big East fans should be rooting for Xavier tonight over Butler.
But knowing this league, Butler wins and creates a more flustered situation.
In typical fashion Butler won. The Big East is competitive top to bottom.
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I'm probably being too cynical but Seton Hall is going to get allllllllllll the calls tomorrow
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In typical fashion Butler won. The Big East is competitive top to bottom.
True that MU and VU have some glaring losses but only because of schizophrenic STJ we can say it’s top to bottom. I’m sure There are other adjectives (that don’t come to mind) that describecthe BE this year. “Down” is true but used a lot. Mediocre maybe.
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I venture a prediction: MU wins it at 14-4 and VU second 13-5 ...1 9-9 team, 5 8-10 teams, and 2 7-11 teams.
Not sure if I want to root for STJ. They annoy me and I want them hem to lose...but want another BE team in the tourney so torn. SHU is toast methinks.
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So I understand that if MU and Nova tie for first the Big East tournament seeding is decided by who has a better record against the third place team. But does the regular season title also work like that? Or if MU and Nova tie for first based on record we both share the title?
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So I understand that if MU and Nova tie for first the Big East tournament seeding is decided by who has a better record against the third place team. But does the regular season title also work like that? Or if MU and Nova tie for first based on record we both share the title?
It's a shared title, the tiebreakers are only for BET seeding.
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Yes....co-champions.
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Which is why we were 2012-13 Big East champs but the #2 seed in the BET.
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Xavier losing tonight, really hurt MU from everything I can tell...at least if you project correctly what happens the rest of this week. That loss to Creighton may absolutely sting come Saturday afternoon. If you ASSUME the following..Georgetown wins tomm night vs DePaul, and Creighton beats Providence...that means at that point..Georgetown is 9-8, Xavier, SJU and Creighton are 8-9(the battle for 3rd) going into Saturday. Fast forward to Saturday...You assume GT loses to MU, they finish at 9-9. Assume Creighton beats DePaul at home...they finish 9-9, and then the winner of SJU/Xavier finishes 9-9. So you have:
Georgetown 9-9
Creighton-9-9
Xavier/SJU-9-9
If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).
If it's Xavier, Georgetown and Creighton that finish 9-9...Creighton wins that tie breaker and finishes third due to their sweep of Georgetown. MU loses that tiebreaker.
Bottom line, MU fans need to root hard for Providence to beat Creighton tomm night..if that happens, and Georgetown wins, then there can ONLY be a two way tie for third at 9-9 under this scenario...and that would be either GT and SJU, or GT and Xavier. Obviously if it's SJU tied with anyone, MU loses the tiebreaker..Should Georgetown and Creighton both lose tomorrow night, then the ONLY scenario for third is the winner of Xavier vs SJU Saturday...that's the third place team.
Had Xavier won tonight, MU's path was much easier..Now, it really comes down to them beating SJU Saturday, and Creighton losing one of two(they have two at home).It could all be moot of course if MU wins out and Nova loses @ Hall Saturday.
If it ends up
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At this point in the season we are basically in win out the season mode. There are no more teams that are easy victories.
I would actually prefer to play The Johnnies in the BET and get more reps in against a long athletic type team. We are going to have to face teams like that in the tournament anyway.
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I venture a prediction: MU wins it at 14-4 and VU second 13-5 ...1 9-9 team, 5 8-10 teams, and 2 7-11 teams.
Not sure if I want to root for STJ. They annoy me and I want them hem to lose...but want another BE team in the tourney so torn. SHU is toast methinks.
Seton Hall is probably a lock with a 1-1 finish. They are definitely not toast.
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Xavier losing tonight, really hurt MU from everything I can tell...at least if you project correctly what happens the rest of this week. That loss to Creighton may absolutely sting come Saturday afternoon. If you ASSUME the following..Georgetown wins tomm night vs DePaul, and Creighton beats Providence...that means at that point..Georgetown is 9-8, Xavier, SJU and Creighton are 8-9(the battle for 3rd) going into Saturday. Fast forward to Saturday...You assume GT loses to MU, they finish at 9-9. Assume Creighton beats DePaul at home...they finish 9-9, and then the winner of SJU/Xavier finishes 9-9. So you have:
Georgetown 9-9
Creighton-9-9
Xavier/SJU-9-9
If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).
If it's Xavier, Georgetown and Creighton that finish 9-9...Creighton wins that tie breaker and finishes third due to their sweep of Georgetown. MU loses that tiebreaker.
Bottom line, MU fans need to root hard for Providence to beat Creighton tomm night..if that happens, and Georgetown wins, then there can ONLY be a two way tie for third at 9-9 under this scenario...and that would be either GT and SJU, or GT and Xavier. Obviously if it's SJU tied with anyone, MU loses the tiebreaker..Should Georgetown and Creighton both lose tomorrow night, then the ONLY scenario for third is the winner of Xavier vs SJU Saturday...that's the third place team.
Had Xavier won tonight, MU's path was much easier..Now, it really comes down to them beating SJU Saturday, and Creighton losing one of two(they have two at home).It could all be moot of course if MU wins out and Nova loses @ Hall Saturday.
If it ends up
Yah it’s all fu*ked up.
True that MU and VU have some glaring losses but only because of schizophrenic STJ we can say it’s top to bottom. I’m sure There are other adjectives (that don’t come to mind) that describecthe BE this year. “Down” is true but used a lot. Mediocre maybe.
I think mediocre is fair. But I also think the BE has 10 teams that could legitimately win the BET a probably win a game or two in the dance. Certainly a fall off after MU/Nova, but all 8 of those teams can play.
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“So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.“
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Xavier losing tonight, really hurt MU from everything I can tell...at least if you project correctly what happens the rest of this week. That loss to Creighton may absolutely sting come Saturday afternoon. If you ASSUME the following..Georgetown wins tomm night vs DePaul, and Creighton beats Providence...that means at that point..Georgetown is 9-8, Xavier, SJU and Creighton are 8-9(the battle for 3rd) going into Saturday. Fast forward to Saturday...You assume GT loses to MU, they finish at 9-9. Assume Creighton beats DePaul at home...they finish 9-9, and then the winner of SJU/Xavier finishes 9-9. So you have:
Georgetown 9-9
Creighton-9-9
Xavier/SJU-9-9
If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).
If it's Xavier, Georgetown and Creighton that finish 9-9...Creighton wins that tie breaker and finishes third due to their sweep of Georgetown. MU loses that tiebreaker.
Bottom line, MU fans need to root hard for Providence to beat Creighton tomm night..if that happens, and Georgetown wins, then there can ONLY be a two way tie for third at 9-9 under this scenario...and that would be either GT and SJU, or GT and Xavier. Obviously if it's SJU tied with anyone, MU loses the tiebreaker..Should Georgetown and Creighton both lose tomorrow night, then the ONLY scenario for third is the winner of Xavier vs SJU Saturday...that's the third place team.
Had Xavier won tonight, MU's path was much easier..Now, it really comes down to them beating SJU Saturday, and Creighton losing one of two(they have two at home).It could all be moot of course if MU wins out and Nova loses @ Hall Saturday.
If it ends up
I’m not being a smartass here, but IF Marquette wins the Big East in a tie with Villanova is it really that important that they get the 1 seed?
Your post makes it seem so, but I don’t really see the importance. The accomplishment will already have been had in the title (although in a split) so I would almost prefer Marquette as the 2 seed playing the last game of the night (instead of first of the day) so that I can watch on Thursday
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I’m not being a smartass here, but IF Marquette wins the Big East in a tie with Villanova is it really that important that they get the 1 seed?
Your post makes it seem so, but I don’t really see the importance. The accomplishment will already have been had in the title (although in a split) so I would almost prefer Marquette as the 2 seed playing the last game of the night (instead of first of the day) so that I can watch on Thursday
I don't necessarily think it's important to get the #1 seed...but some people might, and that's okay. I just wanted to let people know where things stand. I do however agree with you...the #2 seed would be best from a viewing perspective(though regardless, I will be watching).
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I prefer co-champs and the #2 seed so I can watch them on Thursday night.
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I prefer co-champs and the #2 seed so I can watch them on Thursday night.
I'm not saying this to be an ass at all, but i always see people here every year, saying they want this or this for MU so they can watch them at night. I mean, I always wonder if no one has vacation time to use??
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I'm not saying this to be an ass at all, but i always see people here every year, saying they want this or this for MU so they can watch them at night. I mean, I always wonder if no one has vacation time to use??
Ha! Well I have plenty. I just prefer not to use it, and when I look at my calendar for that day I probably can't anyway. I also have to travel the Friday of the first round of the NCAA tournament so I'm hoping for Thursday/Saturday.
That's not too much to ask right? :D
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I’m watching the game regardless. It’s a no brainer. But night game is still preferred.
But I’m not taking that over a BE title. The chips will fall where they may, but X losing tonight made us big Hall fans on Saturday.
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I’m watching the game regardless. It’s a no brainer. But night game is still preferred.
But I’m not taking that over a BE title. The chips will fall where they may, but X losing tonight made us big Hall fans on Saturday.
A win Saturday for The Hall would help both their cause and our cause.
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I’m not being a smartass here, but IF Marquette wins the Big East in a tie with Villanova is it really that important that they get the 1 seed?
Your post makes it seem so, but I don’t really see the importance. The accomplishment will already have been had in the title (although in a split) so I would almost prefer Marquette as the 2 seed playing the last game of the night (instead of first of the day) so that I can watch on Thursday
I'd agree 1 vs 2 makes little difference. Only benefit I can think of is the team you're playing in the first round has a day game after a night game
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I'd agree 1 vs 2 makes little difference. Only benefit I can think of is the team you're playing in the first round has a day game after a night game
I think the most important thing is to earn a bye. Cooley & Company are in the mode of trying to avoid the first round .
https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20190305/pc-at-creighton-beating-bluejays-brings-friars-one-step-closer-to-first-round-bye
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I'm not saying this to be an ass at all, but i always see people here every year, saying they want this or this for MU so they can watch them at night. I mean, I always wonder if no one has vacation time to use??
ScoopTakes!
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If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).
If my understanding is correct, that procedure would be used to determine the third seed, but not third place. For a MU-Nova tiebreaker, those teams at 9-9 would all be considered tied for third, and it would be the records against that mini-conference.
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If my understanding is correct, that procedure would be used to determine the third seed, but not third place. For a MU-Nova tiebreaker, those teams at 9-9 would all be considered tied for third, and it would be the records against that mini-conference.
That is correct.
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I'm probably being too cynical but Seton Hall is going to get allllllllllll the calls tomorrow
Agreed, I think they'll be allowed to play very aggressive defense, and their steals rate is fairly good (#92) while our ability to avoid steals is fairly terrible (#292). That differential has potential to become exacerbated in their own building (we turned it over 20 times against them earlier in the season). Then another thing I don't like is they are a terrible 3 point shooting team (#283), but if they're the agressors and get in a rhythm, those could start dropping. Absolutely need to protect the ball tonight, can't have another massive TO differential like the past 2 games.
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“So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.“
This is so fitting...
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I'm not saying this to be an ass at all, but i always see people here every year, saying they want this or this for MU so they can watch them at night. I mean, I always wonder if no one has vacation time to use??
I'm always off of work on the Thursday & Friday of conference tourney week & the NCAA tourney. ;)
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Updated with last nights results from Butler/Xavier game. Nothing changed as Butler over X was the "expected" result per TRANK.
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-9
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 7-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
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This is so fitting...
Seriously though! I included the youtube link below for those unfortunate souls that have never seen one of the best sports movies ever made....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFOvldn_IRw&list=PLT9mw3JcIlT2LYVCGBIQonMVbfzXXHih5&index=2
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Tonight's slate:
Marquette @ Seton Hall (530 CT); MU -2
Providence @ Creighton (7 CT); Creighton -5
Georgetown @ Depaul (730 CT); Depaul 1.5
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Tonight's slate:
Marquette @ Seton Hall (530 CT); MU -2
Providence @ Creighton (7 CT); Creighton -5
Georgetown @ Depaul (730 CT); Depaul 1.5
For those who still haven't seen the thread, Mr. Nielsen also posts these daily in the "2018-19 Big East TV Guide Thread." It also includes the channel and who's doing the game.
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Some articles on last nights Butler Xavier game. This is a quality Big East rivalry game.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2019/03/05/paul-jorgensen-kamar-baldwin-lead-butler-basketball-over-xavier/3055661002/
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/03/06/big-east-basketball-xavier-cant-keep-win-streak-alive-butler/3077913002/
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I'm always off of work on the Thursday & Friday of conference tourney week & the NCAA tourney. ;)
So am I...I guess I assumed most were. I mean what else would one use their vacation time for?? :)
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So am I...I guess I assumed most were. I mean what else would one use their vacation time for?? :)
Yeah. Not like there is a whole world out there to see or anything ;)
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I'm not saying this to be an ass at all, but i always see people here every year, saying they want this or this for MU so they can watch them at night. I mean, I always wonder if no one has vacation time to use??
In my field (teaching), it's almost more difficult to miss a day than it is to be there. Usually, I can get away with putting the MU game on in the back of the room though.
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Updated with last nights results from Butler/Xavier game. Nothing changed as Butler over X was the "expected" result per TRANK.
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-9
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 7-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
A lot of good work here. We'll know more after tonight's games, obviously, but this is very interesting.
If the Thursday bracket shakes out this way, I honestly could see any team beating any other team without it being an enormous upset. I could see Nova losing to PC or SH; I could see us losing to Butler or DeP (won't happen, of course, but not crazy to think it could); and both X-StJ and CU-GU would be toss-ups.
Truly wide open this year. A team like X or CU could get hot and win the thing for sure.
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Updated with last nights results from Butler/Xavier game. Nothing changed as Butler over X was the "expected" result per TRANK.
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-9
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 7-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
JJJ, this is great stuff thanks..But I'm curious...I'm sure you are correct, but IF this scenario unfolds, where Creighton and X are tied for 3rd..Creighton gets the third seed because of the win over MU...so..does that then make Creighton the 3rd place team for TIEBREAKER purposes only?? I know the tie breaker says "the team or group of teams that occupy the highest spot in the standings", so I'm assuming that since TECHNICALLY Xavier and Creighton both tie for third place, that's why MU wins the road record tiebreaker, rather then for seeding purposes only, using Creighton as the "third place team", since they win the tiebreaker with X??
Presumably, MU then also wins a tiebreaker if the three teams tied at 9-9 are X, GT and Creighton correct?? MU has more wins over that group then Nova would.
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Updated with last nights results from Butler/Xavier game. Nothing changed as Butler over X was the "expected" result per TRANK.
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-9
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 7-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker. Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*
2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)
4. Xavier 9-9
[vs. SJU (W)]
5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]
7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]
8. Butler 7-11
[@PC (L)]
9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]
10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul
Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU
Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown
I admittedly may be misremembering tiebreaker rules, but I thought after the 3-1 tie in the miniconference between MU and Nova that it keeps moving down the standings (I don't think it goes to road games unless the teams are tied all the way through the standings). In this scenario it would move down to STJ and Nova would get the 1 seed. Am I wrong?
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Big East Tournament Seeding Tiebreakers:
1. Head to Head (MU/NOVA 1-1) TIED
2. Record against team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group of tied teams in the standings for comparison. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. If J5's projections play out:
2a. MU/NOVA 3-1 against CU/X TIED
2b. MU/NOVA 2-2 against GTWN/SJU TIED
2c. MU/NOVA 4-0 against PROV/BUT/DEP/HALL TIED
3. Conference road record (MU 6-2, NOVA 5-4) MU WINS TIEBREAKER
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Looking at the scenarios, besides our games, the X St. John's game next important for the 1 seed. X at 9-9 keeps them in the third and gives us the tiebreaker at 9-9. St. John's win moves them to 9-9 with Creighton, making MU 1-3 against those teams.
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It's just crazy that with 8 BE games remaining, not a single seed has been determined yet.
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Big East Tournament Seeding Tiebreakers:
1. Head to Head (MU/NOVA 1-1) TIED
2. Record against team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group of tied teams in the standings for comparison. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. If J5's projections play out:
2a. MU/NOVA 3-1 against CU/X TIED
2b. MU/NOVA 2-2 against GTWN/SJU TIED
2c. MU/NOVA 4-0 against PROV/BUT/DEP/HALL TIED
3. Conference road record (MU 6-2, NOVA 5-4) MU WINS TIEBREAKER
I missed the Georgetown/STJ tie. thanks
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JJJ, this is great stuff thanks..But I'm curious...I'm sure you are correct, but IF this scenario unfolds, where Creighton and X are tied for 3rd..Creighton gets the third seed because of the win over MU...so..does that then make Creighton the 3rd place team for TIEBREAKER purposes only?? I know the tie breaker says "the team or group of teams that occupy the highest spot in the standings", so I'm assuming that since TECHNICALLY Xavier and Creighton both tie for third place, that's why MU wins the road record tiebreaker, rather then for seeding purposes only, using Creighton as the "third place team", since they win the tiebreaker with X??
Presumably, MU then also wins a tiebreaker if the three teams tied at 9-9 are X, GT and Creighton correct?? MU has more wins over that group then Nova would.
It is record against the next highest seeded team. Since the seeding goes from 1-10, it would be record against the "mini-conference" tied for 3rd place. So if 2 or more teams are tied for 3rd place, it would be MU and Nova's record against those particular teams.
I admittedly may be misremembering tiebreaker rules, but I thought after the 3-1 tie in the miniconference between MU and Nova that it keeps moving down the standings (I don't think it goes to road games unless the teams are tied all the way through the standings). In this scenario it would move down to STJ and Nova would get the 1 seed. Am I wrong?
Looks like TAMU has addressed since this question was posed, but it goes from H2H, to record against next highest seeded team all the way down the standings, and then to conference road record.
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It's just crazy that with 8 BE games remaining, not a single seed has been determined yet.
It's also pretty amazing that 3rd through 10th place are currently separated by only 2 games. The closest anything is to being settled is that MU and Nova both know they'll be 1 or 2.
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Providence ends the 2nd half on a 25-9 run to force overtime at Creighton. Game on CBSSN.
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Providence ends the 2nd half on a 25-9 run to force overtime at Creighton. Game on CBSSN.
Time to fire McDermott, right?
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DePaul puts 101 points on Georgetown.
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McDermott wins two this year against his buddy Cooley.
Leitao will get a few votes for a Big East coach of the year . DePaul now guaranteed at least a .500 season overall.
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It doesn't appear that the tiebreakers are going to go MU's way now...first of all I think it's moot, you know after an emotional win like tonight, there is NO WAY Hall beats Nova Saturday...this was their Super Bowl. Anyway, for giggles, let's say Hall does win..you have to assume Creighton wins, and let's say Xavier beats SJU. That means : Creighton, Hall and Xavier are all 9-9. In this scenario, both MU and Nova would have the same record against that group of teams...that means you go to the next group which would be..Georgetown, SJU and possibly Butler, but that is irrelevant as both MU and Nova swept Butler..That would also be tied as Nova and MU both have two losses in that "group. So actually unless I'm missing something(which is entirely possible I am), then I guess MU would actually win the tiebreaker due to road record. If things fall just right..MU's BEST case scenario(and the league office's for not having to work down so many tiebreakers...LOL) is if somehow, DePaul beats Creighton, Hall beats Nova, and Xavier beats SJU. Then Hall and Xavier both tie for 3rd at 9-9 and MU actually wins that tiebreaker. Guess we see how it plays out Saturday.
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McDermott wins two this year against his buddy Cooley.
Leitao will get a few votes for a Big East coach of the year . DePaul now guaranteed at least a .500 season.
Overall yes, but not in the BE.
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Overall yes, but not in the BE.
Clarification noted and amended.
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The tiebreakers do not matter. If we tie Nova, we are co big east champs. Tiebreakers are for one seed only which isn't all that important.
I don't expect Nova to lose Saturday, though.
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The tiebreakers do not matter. If we tie Nova, we are co big east champs. Tiebreakers are for one seed only which isn't all that important.
I don't expect Nova to lose Saturday, though.
I know what they are for..and I know for the most part they are irrelevant..and I agree with you..you just know Hall is going to have a massive let down Sat
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I know what they are for..and I know for the most part they are irrelevant..and I agree with you..you just know Hall is going to have a massive let down Sat
I don't disagree that Hall is going to lose. I would guess they do too.
But on the other hand, they have momentum and a win locks up a bid. I'd love them to beat Nova but in reality I just want MU to win and the other results can fall as they may. This team needs something good to happen in the worst way.
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I know what they are for..and I know for the most part they are irrelevant..and I agree with you..you just know Hall is going to have a massive let down Sat
Nah don’t expect a letdown. Expect a close game but I think nova shows their championship moxie and pulls it off, giving MUs game less luster.
SH needed one win in last two and one in BET. Sat win will likely punch their ticket but even if they don’t get it they should get in if they win their first game in conf tourney, which is no gimme
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Nah don’t expect a letdown. Expect a close game but I think nova shows their championship moxie and pulls it off, giving MUs game less luster.
SH needed one win in last two and one in BET. Sat win will likely punch their ticket but even if they don’t get it they should get in if they win their first game in conf tourney, which is no gimme
Pretty sure Hall is in regardless. Their wins are a clear step above the rest of the bubble.
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It doesn't appear that the tiebreakers are going to go MU's way now...
... then I guess MU would actually win the tiebreaker
... MU actually wins that tiebreaker. Guess we see how it plays out Saturday.
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Final update before the end of the regular season.
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):
Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-5
Seton Hall 8-9 (5-3 in 3rd place mini conf)
St. Johns 8-9 (4-3 in 3rd place mini conf; wins tie breaker w MU sweep; both SJU and X split with Nova)
Xavier 8-9 (4-3 in 3rd place mini conf)
Georgetown 8-9 (3-5 in 3rd place mini conf; swept Creighton)
Creighton 8-9 (3-5 place in mini conf)
Butler 7-10 (swept Depaul)
Depaul 7-10
Providence 6-11
Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:
1. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]
2. Marquette 13-5
[vs. Gtown (W)]
3. Xavier 9-9 (Xavier wins tie breaker with W over Nova)
[vs. SJU (W)]
4. Creighton 9-9
[vs. Depaul (W)
5. SJU 8-10 (All teams 2-2 in 5th place mini conf; SJU 1-1 against Nova; 2-0 against MU)
[@ X (L)]
6. Georgetown 8-10 (2-2 in 5th place mini conf; Gtown 1-1 vs Nova; 0-2 against MU)
[@MU (L)]
7. Seton Hall 8-10 (2-2 in 5th place mini conf; Hall 0-2 against Nova)
[vs. Nova (L)]
8. Providence 7-11 (PC 3-1 in 8th place mini conf)
[vs. Butler (W)]
9. Butler 7-11 (Butler 2-2 in 8th place mini conf)
[@PC (L)]
10. Depaul 7-11 (Depaul 1-3 in 8th place mini conf)
[@ Creighton (L)]
Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):
Seton Hall (7) vs. Depaul (10)
Providence (8) vs. Butler (9)
Villanova (1) vs. PC/Butler Winner
Creighton (4) vs. St. Johns (5)
Marquette (2) vs. Seton Hall / Depaul Winner
Xavier (3) vs. Georgetown (6)
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Silver lining, I like the Hall/GTWN/DPL/X side of the bracket a lot more than the CU/SJU/PC/BUT side.
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Remaining Games with TRANK's expected rounded lines:
Butler @ Providence (PC -2)
Villanova @ Seton Hall (Nova -1)
Georgetown @ Marquette (Marquette -11)
St. John's @ Xavier (Xavier -3)
Depaul @ Creighton (Creighton -9)
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For MU to get a share of the Big East title, the following definitely needs to happen.
1) MU win over Gtown.
2) Seton Hall win over Villanova.
Both completely conceivable results. At that point it comes down to tiebreakers on the seeding. As others have said, the seeding isn't really all that important...moreso who ends up on MU's side of the bracket. But, let's see how the tie breakers would shake out if all expected results on Saturday occurred, except for Hall over Villanova.
1. Marquette 13-5 (MU and Nova both 4-2 against 3rd place mini conference; MU and Nova both 2-2 against 6th place mini-conference; MU and Nova both 6-0 against 8th place mini conference; next tie breaker is BE road record, which MU wins)
[vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Villanova 13-5
[@SHU (L)]
3. Seton Hall 9-9 (Hall wins mini conference with 3-1 record)
[vs. Villanova (W)]
4. Xavier 9-9 (X 2-2 in mini conference)
[vs. SJU (W)]
5. Creighton 9-9 (CU 1-3 in mini conference)
[vs. Depaul (W)]
6. SJU 8-10 (SJU and GTown both 1-1 vs. Nova; SJU wins ties breaker with 2-0 record against MU)
[@ X (L)]
7. Georgetown 8-10
[@MU (L)]
8. Providence 7-11 (PC 3-1 in 8th place mini conf)
[vs. Butler (W)]
9. Butler 7-11 (Butler 2-2 in 8th place mini conf)
[@PC (L)]
10. Depaul 7-11 (Depaul 1-3 in 8th place mini conf)
[@ Creighton (L)]
So, if all expected results hold, except for Hall beating Nova on Saturday, MU gets the #1 seed. But that all gets thrown out the window if say...SJU beats X on Saturday as well.
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For MU to get a share of the Big East title, the following definitely needs to happen.
1) MU win over Gtown.
2) Seton Hall win over Villanova.
Both completely conceivable results. At that point it comes down to tiebreakers on the seeding. As others have said, the seeding isn't really all that important...moreso who ends up on MU's side of the bracket. But, let's see how the tie breakers would shake out if all expected results on Saturday occurred, except for Hall over Villanova.
1. Marquette 13-5 (MU and Nova both 4-2 against 3rd place mini conference; MU and Nova both 2-2 against 6th place mini-conference; MU and Nova both 6-0 against 8th place mini conference; next tie breaker is BE road record, which MU wins)
[vs. Gtown (W)]
2. Villanova 13-5
[@SHU (L)]
3. Seton Hall 9-9 (Hall wins mini conference with 3-1 record)
[vs. Villanova (W)]
4. Xavier 9-9 (X 2-2 in mini conference)
[vs. SJU (W)]
5. Creighton 9-9 (CU 1-3 in mini conference)
[vs. Depaul (W)]
6. SJU 8-10 (All teams 2-2 in 5th place mini conf; SJU 1-1 against Nova; 2-0 against MU)
[@ X (L)]
7. Georgetown 8-10 (2-2 in 5th place mini conf; Gtown 1-1 vs Nova; 0-2 against MU)
[@MU (L)]
8. Providence 7-11 (PC 3-1 in 8th place mini conf)
[vs. Butler (W)]
9. Butler 7-11 (Butler 2-2 in 8th place mini conf)
[@PC (L)]
10. Depaul 7-11 (Depaul 1-3 in 8th place mini conf)
[@ Creighton (L)]
So, if all expected results hold, but Hall beats Nova on Saturday, MU gets the #1 seed. But that all gets thrown out the window if say...SJU beats X on Saturday as well.
That bracket would shake out as follows, which is pretty much the absolute best case scenario for MU.
Georgetown (7) vs. Depaul (10)
Providence (8) vs. Butler (9)
Marquette (1) vs. PC/Butler Winner
Xavier (4) vs. Creighton (5)
Villanova (2) vs. Georgetown / Depaul Winner
Seton Hall (3) vs. St. Johns (6)
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For MU to get a share of the Big East title...
You mean 1 seed. Share of the title just requires a win and a Nova loss.
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That bracket would shake out as follows, which is pretty much the absolute best case scenario for MU.
Georgetown (7) vs. Depaul (10)
Providence (8) vs. Butler (9)
Marquette (1) vs. PC/Butler Winner
Xavier (4) vs. Creighton (5)
Villanova (2) vs. Georgetown / Depaul Winner
Seton Hall (3) vs. St. Johns (6)
I would very much enjoy this bracket. I don't think Butler/PC can beat us barring something crazy. We matchup well. We also matchup well with X. Creighton would be worrisome but I want to just avoid SHU and SJU, really. Any other matchup I like our chances.
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You mean 1 seed. Share of the title just requires a win and a Nova loss.
Ummm...that is what I said.
"For MU to get a share of the Big East title, the following definitely needs to happen.
1) MU win over Gtown.
2) Seton Hall win over Villanova."
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I would very much enjoy this bracket. I don't think Butler/PC can beat us barring something crazy. We matchup well. We also matchup well with X. Creighton would be worrisome but I want to just avoid SHU and SJU, really. Any other matchup I like our chances.
Yah its pretty much perfect. Only thing I would change If I could literally hand pick the bracket would be Gtown as the 5 seed and Creighton as the 6. Not sure if that could actually play out without digging deep into it.
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More likely Nova beats SH.
I think we play the winner of SH/DePaul.
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http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb (http://bball.notnothing.net/bigeast.php?sport=mbb)
Pretty cool sceneries generator I found on John Fantas Twitter.
I don’t think there is a scenario where SJU beats X that gives MU the 1 seed. So to get the 1 seed, MU needs to win, Nova needs to lose and X needs to beat SJU.
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Found perhaps a better scenario for MU.
All homes teams win Sat except DePaul beats Creighton. MU gets the 1. DePaul then gets the 5, X the 4. Gtown and PC the 8/9. Couldn’t possibly get a better draw.
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Found perhaps a better scenario for MU.
All homes teams win Sat except DePaul beats Creighton. MU gets the 1. DePaul then gets the 5, X the 4. Gtown and PC the 8/9. Couldn’t possibly get a better draw.
This is what I will cheer for. Crazy good draw.
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Found perhaps a better scenario for MU.
All homes teams win Sat except DePaul beats Creighton. MU gets the 1. DePaul then gets the 5, X the 4. Gtown and PC the 8/9. Couldn’t possibly get a better draw.
OK. That works for me!
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Ummm...that is what I said.
"For MU to get a share of the Big East title, the following definitely needs to happen.
1) MU win over Gtown.
2) Seton Hall win over Villanova."
Neither of these are likely. More likely: MU loss to Georgetown to make a 4peat.
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Neither of these are likely. More likely: MU loss to Georgetown to make a 4peat.
Did you not see Georgetown last night? Plus, MU beat them at their place without Markus. I'm not worried, but I don't see Seton Hall knocking off Nova.
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Found perhaps a better scenario for MU.
All homes teams win Sat except DePaul beats Creighton. MU gets the 1. DePaul then gets the 5, X the 4. Gtown and PC the 8/9. Couldn’t possibly get a better draw.
That would be nuts. Would need lots of luck but you couldn't get a better draw if you handpicked it. Not inconcievable either. Three games would need to go chalk and DePaul and Seton Hall would need to pull the upset. Unlikely but within the realm of possibility.
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Did you not see Georgetown last night? Plus, MU beat them at their place without Markus. I'm not worried, but I don't see Seton Hall knocking off Nova.
It's classic willie, the most joyless human being in America.
He loves saying this kind of thing. When we beat Georgetown, he'll just fade away for a few days. But if we so happen to lose, he can say he told us so and bash Wojo some more.
He absolutely is rooting for Wojo to fail. Great Marquette fan.
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We just need to right the ship and get the win. As for the rest, I want the outcome that maximizes the chances of Big East teams getting in the Big Dance. More money for the Big East from NCAA units.
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It's classic willie, the most joyless human being in America.
He loves saying this kind of thing. When we beat Georgetown, he'll just fade away for a few days. But if we so happen to lose, he can say he told us so and bash Wojo some more.
He absolutely is rooting for Wojo to fail. Great Marquette fan.
Yeah—it’s weird. I don’t get it.
However, I don’t have think we can just think this team is going to turn it around and roll Georgetown because of what DePaul did last night or what we did at their place. This team is lost right now and they need to get right. I hope it comes on Saturday afternoon.
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Yeah—it’s weird. I don’t get it.
However, I don’t have think we can just think this team is going to turn it around and roll Georgetown because of what DePaul did last night or what we did at their place. This team is lost right now and they need to get right. I hope it comes on Saturday afternoon.
I think if we were getting smoked or if we looked clueless for 30-35 of the 40 minutes, I'd agree with you. It's just that the games we were closing earlier in the season we're having trouble now.
I think we'll stomp Georgetown, and I look forward to us winning a close game or two in the BET to get us back on track.
I'm an optimist, yes, but I don't think I'm pollyanna. Just a week and a half ago, there was fear and loathing in NovaLand. Things can and do change quickly in sports.
Hell, I'm old enough to remember the Brewers falling behind 0-2 to the Angels in 1982 but coming back to win, and then following those 3 straight wins by beating the Cardinals 10-0 in Game 1 of the WS. The Brew Crew looked like an unbeatable juggernaut ... until they got beat.
That's sports! Go Marquette!
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https://www.vuhoops.com/villanova-basketball/2019/3/8/18255633/game-preview-villanova-wildcats-seek-outright-regular-season-title-in-finale-vs-seton-hall-pirates
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We just need to right the ship and get the win. As for the rest, I want the outcome that maximizes the chances of Big East teams getting in the Big Dance. More money for the Big East from NCAA units.
I think the only game that has for sure NCAA ramifications is Creighton/Depaul. Creighton has to win.
Seton Hall for sure punches their ticket with a win over Nova, but I think they're in regardless.
The rest of the games probably aren't super important for NCAA bids. Butler/PC, both are toast. Don't think Gtown gets in even if they beat MU. All three of those teams are AQ or bust. X maybe has a super outside shot with a win over SJU and run to the BET final, but I doubt it. They're likely AQ or bust. SJU should be in even with a L tomorrow, but they'd certainly be a possibility for Dayton at 8-10 in the BE. If you're rooting for sealing up BE bids, SJU over X is what you should be pulling for. But that isn't the best scenario for MU at this point.
Should be an interesting day of hoops tomorrow.
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Haven't kept up with this thread...I know, shame on me...so if this has been mentioned I will accept my punishment. Pretty wild that only 2 teams will be finishing conference with a record above .500
Cant imagine that happens very often, glad we are 1 of the 2
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Plus only 1 team is guaranteed to finish with a record at .500 (St. Johns v. Xavier)
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I think if we were getting smoked or if we looked clueless for 30-35 of the 40 minutes, I'd agree with you. It's just that the games we were closing earlier in the season we're having trouble now.
I think we'll stomp Georgetown, and I look forward to us winning a close game or two in the BET to get us back on track.
I'm an optimist, yes, but I don't think I'm pollyanna. Just a week and a half ago, there was fear and loathing in NovaLand. Things can and do change quickly in sports.
Hell, I'm old enough to remember the Brewers falling behind 0-2 to the Angels in 1982 but coming back to win, and then following those 3 straight wins by beating the Cardinals 10-0 in Game 1 of the WS. The Brew Crew looked like an unbeatable juggernaut ... until they got beat.
That's sports! Go Marquette!
Back in '77 we lost 5 or 6 of last games and won it all. Might be wrong my memory is not so good.
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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2019/03/08/butler-survival-mode-vs-providence-saturday-big-east-tournament/3099454002/
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Back in '77 we lost 5 or 6 of last games and won it all. Might be wrong my memory is not so good.
Lost three in a row in February, then finished the month undefeated. Tough one point loss to Michigan to end the regular season. The rest was all good.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of Thursday March 7. The whole league is now below 100.
New Old
25 25 Villanova
29 29 Marquette
54 52 Creighton
59 59 Butler
61 61 Seton Hall
62 62 St. John's (NY)
73 72 Xavier
77 74 Providence
80 79 Georgetown
98 100 DePaul
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Lost three in a row in February, then finished the month undefeated. Tough one point loss to Michigan to end the regular season. The rest was all good.
Yep, won 4 in a row on the road after losing those 3. MU already had been informed that it had a bid at halftime of that MIchigan game (did not have a tourney bid show yet at that time).
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Yep, won 4 in a row on the road after losing those 3. MU already had been informed that it had a bid at halftime of that MIchigan game (did not have a tourney bid show yet at that time).
IIRC, Al had arranged a secret signal. If he changed suits at halftime, that meant a bid had been secured.
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Did you not see Georgetown last night? Plus, MU beat them at their place without Markus. I'm not worried, but I don't see Seton Hall knocking off Nova.
You should be plenty worried, the way MU has played lately.
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It's classic willie, the most joyless human being in America.
He loves saying this kind of thing. When we beat Georgetown, he'll just fade away for a few days. But if we so happen to lose, he can say he told us so and bash Wojo some more.
He absolutely is rooting for Wojo to fail. Great Marquette fan.
Sorry MU28. Once again, you do not know what the hell you are talking about. I have been an MU fan since 1955, likely longer than you have been alive, and have found much joy over the years concerning MU and many other things. But hey, you have an opinion and so do I. Yours of course, you value as valid, which I will ignore. Say take you "fandom" opinions and place them where the sun does not shine, because that is all they are worth.
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Willie
You are good by me. Love your love of the program.
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Cooley & Company doing well . Hopefully the Hall can stay strong second half.
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Cooley & Company doing well . Hopefully the Hall can stay strong second half.
Shhhhhhh 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
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Come on Hall! 7-0 scoring run for Nova and now a 9 point game.
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Hang tough Pirates!!!
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Hang tough Pirates!!!
Not lookin too bad for the next 2 minutes. :)
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Close it out Pirates!
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Let’s get it done, Hall.
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Arrrgh Matey!
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Sweet. Time to roll. Go Warriors.
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Nice win, now the MU guys know what's at stake. If NOVA had won, sorta taken the air out of the sails and maybe a letdown.
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Willard a Coach of Year candidate now? He lost Delgado, Rodriguez, Carrington, Sanogo and Gordon, and lead them to 9-9 record in BE, a probably an NCAA bid. Never thought they would be good.
Powell now a serious contender for POY overtaking Markus, who has struggled down the stretch? Lets see how Markus does today against the freshmen guards.
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LFG Hall
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Nice win for the Hall and Cooley& Company.
Our guys can get the job done.
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Now pretty sure if X beats SJU then SJU is the 7 seed and we will play them game 1 assuming they win Wednesday night
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X up 7 over The Johnnies with 11:04 left.
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SJU it will be in our first game unless they lose to DePaul. Lovely.
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SJU it will be in our first game unless they lose to DePaul. Lovely.
DePaul has beaten them twice though.
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SJU it will be in our first game unless they lose to DePaul. Lovely.
Maybe this is insane, but I’m actually glad. We’ve got to start exorcising demons at a rapid pace, so might as well jump right in with the Johnnies at home.
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Maybe this is insane, but I’m actually glad. We’ve got to start exorcising demons at a rapid pace, so might as well jump right in with the Johnnies at home.
After thinking about it, kind of agree with you.
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Maybe this is insane, but I’m actually glad. We’ve got to start exorcising demons at a rapid pace, so might as well jump right in with the Johnnies at home.
I agree. Enough of this "oh no its st John's dont wanna play them" garbage. Screw it let's play the bastards
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I agree. Enough of this "oh no its st John's dont wanna play them" garbage. Screw it let's play the bastards
It took me an hour but I'm all in on this. I won't mind if they lose Wednesday night, but I will welcome the challenge of playing a team that has been a thorn in our side on their home court.
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Back in '77 we lost 5 or 6 of last games and won it all. Might be wrong my memory is not so good.
Dis teem couldant carry da '77 teem's athletic supporter, aina?
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Doc
I was just thinking this morning that ‘77 had four NBA Players and two other guys drafted. That was a basketball team.
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How many NBA players do you figure on the current team?
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Doc
7-8 on current roster. They will show it next season.
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How many NBA players do you figure on the current team?
Do late season 10 day contracts count?
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D league?
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Eye'm goin' wit a potential of won if all da stars line up.....Bailey
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How many NBA players do you figure on the current team?
Think markus has a quick cup of coffe in the nba/g league. Then Europe
Sam.. eh long shot to sniff the g league. Europe.
Theo. Some low level europe.
Koby idk.
Elliot. Idk not nba
Joey to soon to judge. Has potential
Rest of the guys zero chance for nba or big time euro leagues
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Bailey has real potential. Like him as a player.
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Well, then this confirms half of the problem
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You guys love to rip on the team and say they aren’t as good as the 77 champs....
I don’t believe anyone is saying they are national champs...
You like bailey, the hausers, Howard... ok what’s the problem ... is it wojo? Or the players?
Why?
Just trying to understand your beliefs....
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Maybe this is insane, but I’m actually glad. We’ve got to start exorcising demons at a rapid pace, so might as well jump right in with the Johnnies at home.
Absolutely. This team hasn’t earned the easier path. Put up or shut up
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Boston
There are pieces, just not enough. I think a Bo Ryan type coach could make these guys a top twenty team.
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St johns sucks. If they lose Wednesday are they even in?
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Goose
Thanks! From a pure coaching perspective we are missing a buzz Williams...
I do think we’re building a program and we have pieces ...
Can wojo progress as a coach and we complete the puzzle?
I still believe. ...,
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Goose
Thanks! From a pure coaching perspective we are missing a buzz Williams...
I do think we’re building a program and we have pieces ...
Can wojo progress as a coach and we complete the puzzle?
I still believe. ...,
With the big caveat there's more games to play, my concern is that Wojo's behind O'Neill, Crean and Buzz in terms of accomplishments by Year 5. All three past coaches had won a conference championship and had NCAA success in that period.
Let's hope it gets turned another. But, if this is headed to a first round NCAA exit, what exactly has Wojo accomplished? What's he building?
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Here are the pairings for the BET:
9. Butler/8. Prov vs 1. Nova
5. Creighton vs 4. Xavier
7. SJU/10. Depaul vs 2. MU
3. Seton hall vs 6. Gtown
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Mitch Ballock with 39 points tonight in Creighton win.
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Some of you old geezers need to stop romanticizing the 77 team And I was there! It was an entirely different era. Al's not coming back. His clone isn't walking through the door. Let it go for chrissake.
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For all those people who clamor incessantly to expand our conference, this years results are Exhibit A for why no new teams are necessary. Now that DePaul has emerged ,from the depths ,to being a solidly mediocre problem, the league schedule is now a flat out bare knuckles fist fight. I don't have access to the stats on team experience . However, I surmise most of the teams in the league are young: or alternatively, have most of their team coming back next year.
This was really the year for MU to excel. For the most part the team did, until the wheels came off the wagon recently. The good news is we now get a chance to reset the season going into the BET. MU can make lemonade out of the recent harvest of lemons. The league parity gives MU the best chance it has ever had to win The BET.
Next year is going to be a much tougher row to hoe. However, here is hoping the guys can get back on track and finish the season up strong.
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How many NBA players do you figure on the current team?
Bailey will be an NBA player. Some others may get a cup of tea in the league.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of Saturday March 9.
New Old
26 25 Villanova
29 29 Marquette
54 54 Creighton
61 61 Seton Hall
62 60 Butler
66 62 St. John's (NY)
71 73 Xavier
74 76 Providence
76 80 Georgetown
101 98 DePaul
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Poor DePaul. They have a legitimately solid team and their best season in a decade and still are in last place.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Sunday March 10.
New Old
25 26 Villanova
29 29 Marquette
54 54 Creighton
62 61 Seton Hall
63 62 Butler
66 66 St. John's (NY)
71 71 Xavier
74 74 Providence
76 76 Georgetown
100 101 DePaul
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For all those people who clamor incessantly to expand our conference, this years results are Exhibit A for why no new teams are necessary.
Counterpoint: this year's results are Exhibit A why the league should expand. I've said for years that to have a highly successful league, someone has to lose. In years past, DePaul, St John's, Creighton, and even Marquette has filled that role. This year should be a 7-8 bid year, but because the teams at the bottom of the league are indistinguishable from the teams near the top. 3-10 is the same. If you had 1-2 teams that went 3-15 or worse, we would have far more bids than when everyone goes 7-11 or better.
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Counterpoint: this year's results are Exhibit A why the league should expand. I've said for years that to have a highly successful league, someone has to lose. In years past, DePaul, St John's, Creighton, and even Marquette has filled that role. This year should be a 7-8 bid year, but because the teams at the bottom of the league are indistinguishable from the teams near the top. 3-10 is the same. If you had 1-2 teams that went 3-15 or worse, we would have far more bids than when everyone goes 7-11 or better.
I agree with your point that we need more bottom dwellers . However my view is that another good team just makes everyone even more equal. This putting even more pressure on non con. As it is a team needs 11 non con wins to be securely off the bubble. I think another team would move that number to 12.
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Depaul should go back to irrelevance next season. Reed and Butz are the only good players that return. Though Carte'Are Gordon should be eligible by Big East season, and he should be a nice boost. Hall should take a step back without Powell. Those two should be the bottom dwellers next season, hopefully below 5 wins each.
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Depaul should go back to irrelevance next season. Reed and Butz are the only good players that return. Though Carte'Are Gordon should be eligible by Big East season, and he should be a nice boost. Hall should take a step back without Powell. Those two should be the bottom dwellers next season, hopefully below 5 wins each.
Powell is only a Junior, is he appearing on mock drafts?
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Seton Hall has only one senior and it ain't Powell. They bring in a nice transfer from Florida State. Assuming no surprise defections, they'll be pretty good next season.
DePaul will be down again but bring in two good transfers and a great recruiting class (by their standards). Is the spring giant waking up?
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Boston
There are pieces, just not enough. I think a Bo Ryan type coach could make these guys a top twenty team.
I agree a hall of fame type coach probably would have done better with this group by one or two wins and we would be solidly in the top 20 instead of 23.
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Powell is only a Junior, is he appearing on mock drafts?
Yah just a brain fart, was thinking Powell was a senior for a second. Thanks for correcting.
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Depaul should go back to irrelevance next season. Reed and Butz are the only good players that return. Though Carte'Are Gordon should be eligible by Big East season, and he should be a nice boost. Hall should take a step back without Powell. Those two should be the bottom dwellers next season, hopefully below 5 wins each.
Gordon will be eligible sooner for DePaul. They are on the quarter system and he enrolled in winter quarter . DePaul announced he will be eligible in November after the end of the fall quarter. So he will only miss a handful of games .
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Cooley & Company on a run.
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Cooley & Company with a big win.
Let’s see what DePaul can do against The Johnnies.
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The Johnnies have the crowd going for them tonight. Nice stage for DePaul to make a statement win.
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The Johnnies have the crowd going for them tonight. Nice stage for DePaul to make a statement win.
If The Redman win tonight it will be a very hostile environment for MU tomorrow.
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If The Redman win tonight it will be a very hostile environment for MU tomorrow.
The Johnnies up 24-19 with 7:27 left first half.
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HC, are you there? Curious about how many Johnnies fans are there and if it will be an away game for us tomorrow.
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HC, are you there? Curious about how many Johnnies fans are there and if it will be an away game for us tomorrow.
I’m at MSG, and it will definitely be a road game if playing St. John’s. Large and vocal Johnnies crowd tonight which will undoubtedly increase tomorrow.
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I’m at MSG, and it will definitely be a road game if playing St. John’s. Large and vocal Johnnies crowd tonight which will undoubtedly increase tomorrow.
Yup, it was a good St John's crowd tonight. But they are obviously excited, and I'm guessing more will show tomorrow
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Bring on the Johnnies! Im having a good feeling for tomorrow. Although I'm currently at .500 with my good feelings. :-\
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If we beat St. John’s on their home court, after losing to them twice in the regular season, some goodwill will be regained by the fans and the team should gain some confidence.
If we lose, watch the mushroom cloud rise above MU Scoop.
Go Warriors!
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HC, are you there? Curious about how many Johnnies fans are there and if it will be an away game for us tomorrow.
I am going Friday.
Johnnie Fans will pick up tickets from the losing teams last night and will be out in full force tonight.
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ACC tourney is in Charlotte and I'm going to today's afternoon session with a couple of fellow MU alums. So I'll see Buzz's Boyz take on Fla State and Virginia vs NC State.
Afterward, we'll probably go to a bar and watch the Warriors play -- although with UNC and Duke both playing tonight, we'll probably have to beg to get a TV turned onto our game!
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Wednesday March 13
New Old
25 25 Villanova
29 29 Marquette
54 54 Creighton
62 62 Seton Hall
64 66 St. John's (NY)
65 63 Butler
69 75 Providence
70 70 Xavier
78 77 Georgetown
102 102 DePaul
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Xavier Creighton a big game for both teams
https://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/big-east-tournament-players-to-watch-three-keys-for-creighton/article_c8b4f735-cc08-5b6e-aed3-54e3ee23480d.html
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/03/13/ncaa-tournament-2019-how-xavier-gets-off-march-madness-bubble/3131047002/
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Wednesday March 13
New Old
25 25 Villanova
29 29 Marquette
54 54 Creighton
62 62 Seton Hall
64 66 St. John's (NY)
65 63 Butler
69 75 Providence
70 70 Xavier
78 77 Georgetown
102 102 DePaul
Would think that it'd take a pretty big blowout to drop PC below 75 now. Go Gtown, go X. Pretty amazing that in a down year, 90% of the conference could be top 75 NET.
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Still an extreme outside chance BE ends up with 6 bids if these games all go perfectly
Of course that wouldn’t be perfect for us because it means we don’t win this tourney.
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Still an extreme outside chance BE ends up with 6 bids if these games all go perfectly
Of course that wouldn’t be perfect for us because it means we don’t win this tourney.
Nova beats PC.
Creighton beats X.
Gtown beats Hall.
SJU beats MU.
Creighton beats Nova.
Gtown beats SJU.
Gtown beats Creighton.
Nova, MU, Hall, Creighton, SJU and Gtown should all get in. Maybe even all avoid Dayton.
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Nova up 2 over Cooley & Company. 3:07 left first
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Nova beats PC.
Creighton beats X.
Gtown beats Hall.
SJU beats MU.
Creighton beats Nova.
Gtown beats SJU.
Gtown beats Creighton.
Nova, MU, Hall, Creighton, SJU and Gtown should all get in. Maybe even all avoid Dayton.
I think we can win our game tonight and nova could lose today and this still be fine.
But yeah 6 is dependent on Georgetown winning our side of bracket
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I think we can win our game tonight and nova could lose today and this still be fine.
But yeah 6 is dependent on Georgetown winning our side of bracket
I think SJU is probably in with a loss tonight as well, but man, I wouldn't feel great if I were them in that situation.
I think Creighton needs to beat Nova. I don't know if a wins over X and PC would be enough. But it would be really close.
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Turnovers and rebounds are killing Providence. Trail 31-24 at halftime.
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ACC tourney is in Charlotte and I'm going to today's afternoon session with a couple of fellow MU alums. So I'll see Buzz's Boyz take on Fla State and Virginia vs NC State.
Afterward, we'll probably go to a bar and watch the Warriors play -- although with UNC and Duke both playing tonight, we'll probably have to beg to get a TV turned onto our game!
Best bets near the arena for them switching a game would be:
Fitzgerald's - lots of TVs
Blackfinn - Upstairs bar
Carolina Ale - lots of TVs
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Turnovers and rebounds are killing Providence. Trail 31-24 at halftime.
Nova up 40-32 over Cooley & Company 13:57 left in the game
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These refs are crazy pro Nova
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These refs are crazy pro Nova
Thought it was fine up until about 3 minutes ago
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Wednesday night's session was sold out!
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Xavier up on Creighton 36-29 at halftime. Scoring in the paint for Xavier.
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Homer will be on SeriusXM channel 201 broadcasting the MU/St. Johns game. They seem to take the "home teams" radio broadcast.
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X with the win, by two. Gave up a 7pt lead down the stretch and did just enough to get it back.
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sorry if someone already asked this, but if game time is 6:00pm the countdown clock above says T-minus 3:12:something and it is 3:47pm as i speak which puts game time at 7 pm, eyn'a? not 6 central
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sorry if someone already asked this, but if game time is 6:00pm the countdown clock above says T-minus 3:12:something and it is 3:47pm as i speak which puts game time at 7 pm, eyn'a? not 6 central
The countdown clock must still be on CST. Tonight's game is at 7:00 Eastern, 6:00 CDT. So, in just over 2 hours from now.
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Creighton likely just punched their ticket to....the NIT.
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Creighton likely just punched their ticket to....the NIT.
17-15 will not impress the committtee. (Win #18 was over Coe College ).
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Not Big East but Buzz just lost to FSU......had a 3 point lead with 6 seconds left.....FSU hits a tough 3 to send it to OT.
In OT vt should have had basically the last possession in a tie game......4 seconds difference between shot and game clock......Virginia Tech starts offense to quickly(Buzz didn't call a time out) shoots and misses with 10 seconds to go.....FSU guy makes a running floater with 1 second left......
Ball game.
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The countdown clock must still be on CST. Tonight's game is at 7:00 Eastern, 6:00 CDT. So, in just over 2 hours from now.
We have to ground stop Scoop until we get this software problem resolved. Lives are at stake!
On the other hand, ground stopping Scoop about 8:30 tonight might be necessary anyway.
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We have to ground stop Scoop until we get this software problem resolved. Lives are at stake!
On the other hand, ground stopping Scoop about 8:30 tonight might be necessary anyway.
I hope the team knows when to start and doesn't show up an hour late.
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Not Big East but Buzz just lost to FSU......had a 3 point lead with 6 seconds left.....FSU hits a tough 3 to send it to OT.
In OT vt should have had basically the last possession in a tie game......4 seconds difference between shot and game clock......Virginia Tech starts offense to quickly(Buzz didn't call a time out) shoots and misses with 10 seconds to go.....FSU guy makes a running floater with 1 second left......
Ball game.
That replay of the Buzz dance and the karate chop of the water was hilarious.
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buzz and maryland losing COULD help us...we just gotta NOT turn the ball over and MAKE some shots, that's all(not one call :D)
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Xavier has been on a run. Nice win for them today. Creighton probably had a better chance to go to the dance, but who knows, maybe Xavier can keep going.
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Big win tonight for us.
Looking forward to a quality game in the final game tonight.
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Wojo’s master plan all along. Lose all the games down the stretch secretly plotting out everybody else’s seed in the BET and get revenge.
SJU, check. Seton Hall or Georgetown up next, Nova in the finals.
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Seton Hall out to a 15 point lead. 30-15 with 7:16 left
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Seton Hall out to a 15 point lead. 30-15 with 7:16 left
Until April?
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Wow. Powell has 29 for Seton Hall and the first half isn't even over. He and the Hall are on cruise control right now playing with a ton of confidence. It will be a very tough game against them tomorrow night.
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Big win tonight for us.
I don't believe this. Some guy said he's been watching MU for 45 years and was 100% positive we'd lose. That's all the proof I need. I mean, what's your proof, 9-9-9? The final score? Please!
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I think St John's is out. In all the years of the RPI, they never let a team lower than 67 in. A 32-point home loss could easily drop the Johnnies from 64 to 68, especially as Arizona State & Xavier won behind them. Letting the Johnnies in would basically be throwing the NET out in its first year.
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Georgetown pissed away a chance to cut this to single digits. 2 missed dunks, 2 turnovers in the paint, missed free throw, shot clock violation.
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Georgetown pissed away a chance to cut this to single digits. 2 missed dunks, 2 turnovers in the paint, missed free throw, shot clock violation.
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Not Big East related, but Texas is missing bunnies and not cutting the Kansas lead.
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Through two rounds of the BET, the seeds have held perfectly.
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Nice win for The Hall. Should be a great match up tomorrow .
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I think St John's is out. In all the years of the RPI, they never let a team lower than 67 in. A 32-point home loss could easily drop the Johnnies from 64 to 68, especially as Arizona State & Xavier won behind them. Letting the Johnnies in would basically be throwing the NET out in its first year.
79th in Ken Pom. They will be very nervous on Sunday.
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St. John's will be in.
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79th in Ken Pom. They will be very nervous on Sunday.
Read an article today that said the NET very closely parallels kenpom because of its offensive and defensive efficiency emphasis. Some think that’s good, others bad.
For what it’s worth I think it’s better if it didn’t mirror it so closely (because I think it’s more predictive than based on previous results) and used kenpom as an aside tool. It has its value but also its flaws.
That said StJ bigger issue beyond the poor NET will be its ooc sos, that ish is brutal. However, I think Marquette helps get them in- those two wins along nova will be enough imo (5 Q1s). I think today’s decimation pushes them to tue or wed in Dayton tho
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Xavier biggest game of the year tonight versus Villanova. Excellent research report below:
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/3/15/18266485/xavier-v-villanova-big-east-semifinal-preview-basketball-ncaa-tournament-bubble
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St. John's will be in.
It's possible. If they are, scrap the NET and go back to RPI, because it's obvious the NET has all the merit of single ply toilet paper.
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Villanova adapting to roster.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/villanova-keeps-on-winning-by-using-a-different-style/
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Villanova adapting to roster.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/villanova-keeps-on-winning-by-using-a-different-style/
Yesterday Wright sat Quinerly again, he hasn't played in four games. Then inserts Cole Swider (former top 40 recruit), who has played one minute in the last 15 games, into major sub minutes. Maybe Wright gets a gut feeling thing going on.
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It's possible. If they are, scrap the NET and go back to RPI, because it's obvious the NET has all the merit of single ply toilet paper.
Using any one metric as the determining factor is dumb. I think they’ll use net, but I doubt they’re going to have some arbitrary cut off like the committee seemingly has with RPI.
Also if SJU isn’t in (I think they’re in), then Creighton is getting in. I see no way they only give the Big East 3 bids.
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Using any one metric as the determining factor is dumb. I think they’ll use net, but I doubt they’re going to have some arbitrary cut off like the committee seemingly has with RPI.
Also if SJU isn’t in (I think they’re in), then Creighton is getting in. I see no way they only give the Big East 3 bids.
It isn't using one metric, though. St. John's is 79 in Kenpom & was 62 at Sagarin (that will drop) going into yesterday. Some metrics do like them, Pauga has them at 40 & SOR has them at 54. They aren't necessarily dead, but it would likely take an unprecedented decision by the Selection Committee.
I also think Creighton may have fallen out yesterday. Their 17-14 record really doesn't look that great as the D2 win won't be considered, though their SOS likely gives them a better shot (IMO) than the Johnnies. I think the best chance for a 4th Big East bid is Xavier winning the auto.
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Yesterday Wright sat Quinerly again, he hasn't played in four games. Then inserts Cole Swider (former top 40 recruit), who has played one minute in the last 15 games, into major sub minutes. Maybe Wright gets a gut feeling thing going on.
Swider had a hand injury. Just came back over a week ago.
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It isn't using one metric, though. St. John's is 79 in Kenpom & was 62 at Sagarin (that will drop) going into yesterday. Some metrics do like them, Pauga has them at 40 & SOR has them at 54. They aren't necessarily dead, but it would likely take an unprecedented decision by the Selection Committee.
I also think Creighton may have fallen out yesterday. Their 17-14 record really doesn't look that great as the D2 win won't be considered, though their SOS likely gives them a better shot (IMO) than the Johnnies. I think the best chance for a 4th Big East bid is Xavier winning the auto.
Yah, Creighton is clearly behind SJU IMO. I don't think Creighton gets in, but I do think SJU is likely in. I know Lunardi is a just a guy, but he still has them safe from Dayton in his update this morning. Most of the teams behind them are already out as well (NC State, TCU, Belmont, Texas, Indiana, Clemson, Furman, Lipscomb, UNCG).
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It isn't using one metric, though. St. John's is 79 in Kenpom & was 62 at Sagarin (that will drop) going into yesterday. Some metrics do like them, Pauga has them at 40 & SOR has them at 54. They aren't necessarily dead, but it would likely take an unprecedented decision by the Selection Committee.
I also think Creighton may have fallen out yesterday. Their 17-14 record really doesn't look that great as the D2 win won't be considered, though their SOS likely gives them a better shot (IMO) than the Johnnies. I think the best chance for a 4th Big East bid is Xavier winning the auto.
SJU now at 72 NET and 79 Kenpom. X at 65 kenpom and 70 in NET. If X needs two to get in, no way SJU is in.
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Especially since X swept SJU
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SJU now at 72 NET and 79 Kenpom. X at 65 kenpom and 70 in NET. If X needs two to get in, no way SJU is in.
Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Thursday March 14. Odd that Creighton lost and improved but Xavier won and stayed the same.
New Old
25 25 Villanova
28 29 Marquette
52 54 Creighton
59 62 Seton Hall
64 65 Butler
69 69 Providence
70 70 Xavier
72 64 St. John's (NY)
82 78 Georgetown
102 102 DePaul
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Going into tourney, X was my "upset special."
Playing very well last month-plus. We were fortunate to get them twice earlier in the season.
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SJU 5th last team in after Bracketville update this morning.
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Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.
NIT a better fit commercially.
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Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.
The problem is many of the bubble teams are losing. Someone has to take these spots, and most of the mid-majors like Furman and UNC-Greensboro are hardly listed at all on Bracket Matrix.
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We want The Johnnies in for the sake of Big East getting NCAA units.
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Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.
They will be in.
Might be Dayton. But they will be in.
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The problem is many of the bubble teams are losing. Someone has to take these spots, and most of the mid-majors like Furman and UNC-Greensboro are hardly listed at all on Bracket Matrix.
I think 95% of Bracket Matrix is operating like the 2014-18 Selection Committee is still in place. If they're right, those teams won't be in. If the Selection Committee that is actually in place operates like the mirrored makeup SC from 2011-13, they'll be in.
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Palm and Lunardi don't even have St. John's in Dayton.
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I think 95% of Bracket Matrix is operating like the 2014-18 Selection Committee is still in place. If they're right, those teams won't be in. If the Selection Committee that is actually in place operates like the mirrored makeup SC from 2011-13, they'll be in.
Yeah, that's a good point. This year the Matrix could end up being way off cause the bubble is SOOOO soft.
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SJU does NOT deserve to be in the tourney...they MIGHT make it, but certainly don't deserve it.
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SJU does NOT deserve to be in the tourney...they MIGHT make it, but certainly don't deserve it.
They need to find 38 at large schools somewhere. 21 wins. 5 quad 1 wins.
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Through two rounds of the BET, the seeds have held perfectly.
Pretty crazy after all the legitimate talk about how wide open it was and because the differentiation among the seeds was razor thin.
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We want The Johnnies in for the sake of Big East getting NCAA units.
It's all about the Units!
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Palm and Lunardi don't even have St. John's in Dayton.
Over the past 5 years, Palm is 82nd in the Matrix in accuracy. Lunardi is 68th. They may get the most airtime, but they aren't that great at it.
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Over the past 5 years, Palm is 82nd in the Matrix in accuracy. Lunardi is 68th. They may get the most airtime, but they aren't that great at it.
That is seeding teams correct? Don't they miss one team per year to make the field? Maybe two. I'm just worried about who is in or out.
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Over the past 5 years, Palm is 82nd in the Matrix in accuracy. Lunardi is 68th. They may get the most airtime, but they aren't that great at it.
Agreed, both average to very bad at their jobs
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Over the past 5 years, Palm is 82nd in the Matrix in accuracy. Lunardi is 68th. They may get the most airtime, but they aren't that great at it.
This is not entirely accurate. Palm is quite good at predicting who gets in, he has been less than good at seeding which hurts how they calculate those overall results.
If you care how accurate the seeding predictions are, don't bother with Palm or Lunardi. If you care who actually gets in, Palm has done well....to the point some have accused CBS of tipping him off.
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This is not entirely accurate. Palm is quite good at predicting who gets in, he has been less than good at seeding which hurts how they calculate those overall results.
If you care how accurate the seeding predictions are, don't bother with Palm or Lunardi. If you care who actually gets in, Palm has done well....to the point some have accused CBS of tipping him off.
Says his lunch buddy...
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vuhoops.com/platform/amp/2019/3/15/18266956/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-big-east-tournament-xavier
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Says his lunch buddy...
Says the data, not my lunch buddy
Palm is a Purdue guy, we enjoy needling from time to time. For a Purdue guy, he's a good dude. He is very good at picking teams.
He is 3rd best in picking teams that get in last five years according to their calculations....yes, could be flawed but seems to match up with the Bracket Matrix findings.
2014 got 67 of 68 right
2015 got 67 of 68 right
2016 got 66 of 68 right
2017 got 68 of 68 right
2018 got 67 of 68 right
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So, by that data I got my answer.
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Says the data, not my lunch buddy
Palm is a Purdue guy, we enjoy needling from time to time. For a Purdue guy, he's a good dude. He is very good at picking teams.
He is 3rd best in picking teams that get in last five years according to their calculations....yes, could be flawed but seems to match up with the Bracket Matrix findings.
2014 got 67 of 68 right
2015 got 67 of 68 right
2016 got 66 of 68 right
2017 got 68 of 68 right
2018 got 67 of 68 right
And he has at least 4 teams between SJU and the NIT.
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And he has at least 4 teams between SJU and the NIT.
Lots of golf left. Doesn’t mean much until Sunday when the final brackets are turned in.
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On the way to the city now. Looking forward to going to tonight’s double header.
Rooting hard for X to knock out Nova.
I think our big win over The Johnnies gives us some much needed wind to our sails for the game tonight. I expect a pretty large contingent of fans from The Hall and disgruntled inebriated Johnnie fans in the house tonight .
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Says the data, not my lunch buddy
Palm is a Purdue guy, we enjoy needling from time to time. For a Purdue guy, he's a good dude. He is very good at picking teams.
He is 3rd best in picking teams that get in last five years according to their calculations....yes, could be flawed but seems to match up with the Bracket Matrix findings.
2014 got 67 of 68 right
2015 got 67 of 68 right
2016 got 66 of 68 right
2017 got 68 of 68 right
2018 got 67 of 68 right
And this is the fool's gold in this type of analysis. When were these predictions made? These guys use the ones two minutes before they are announced. It's not a prediction as it is everyone copies each other's homework (and we have the NET this year). Getting the seeds right is the grade that matters.
I guarantee you that Jerry didn't predict any of these mid to low conference upsets in his 67 out 68 right grade. I will go with Brew or Paint Touches over these blowhards. Lunardi pulls this crap too.
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And this is the fool's gold in this type of analysis. When were these predictions made? These guys use the ones two minutes before they are announced. It's not a prediction as it is everyone copies each other's homework (and we have the NET this year). Getting the seeds right is the grade that matters.
I guarantee you that Jerry didn't predict any of these mid to low conference upsets in his 67 out 68 right grade. I will go with Brew or Paint Touches over these blowhards. Lunardi pulls this crap too.
They don't radically change their predictions, over the last few years they may change one pick in the last few hours. Even if what you say is true, Palm has done very well at picking who gets in...better than most....better than Lunardi.
If you can't get the teams right, the most important part in my opinion, how do the seedings matter more? If someone can only get 60 of 68 teams right but does well on the seeds, but someone else has all 68 teams right....I'll take that guy. Where and what seed is secondary, I want to know who is first, what the seed is second. Besides, the NCAA has always had a few blunders on seedings, hard to predict blunders and how blundery they will be. These guys aren't privy to all the information the NCAA has, let alone the politics in the room. They are using their own system, approach.
I'm happy for Palm and his payday from CBS, he keeps working there and providing value. Good for him.
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Lots of golf left. Doesn’t mean much until Sunday when the final brackets are turned in.
Seem to remember he had MU “safely” in until his final bracket on Sunday last year. Nowhere to be found on selection Sunday
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with the 30+ auto qualifiers and the 30 lock at-larges, it's basically picking the last 5 teams.
If they're only getting 65 of 68, they're probably less than 50% correct on the spots open for debate.
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Seem to remember he had MU “safely” in until his final bracket on Sunday last year. Nowhere to be found on selection Sunday
Exactly. There are so few games to decide NCAA entrants on Sunday any more anyway as they are more for seeds (all big conferences). I would like to see the stats before the mid to low major tournaments last week. I am sure Jerry predicted St. Mary's was going to win over the Zags to get in.
Frankly, I am more impressed that he is Cheeks' lunch partner than his published accuracy numbers.
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with the 30+ auto qualifiers and the 30 lock at-larges, it's basically picking the last 5 teams.
If they're only getting 65 of 68, they're probably less than 50% correct on the spots open for debate.
This is the correct way of looking at it
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Not to get too far ahead but...X is a load and should we face them will be a really tough matchup
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Exactly. There are so few games to decide NCAA entrants on Sunday any more anyway as they are more for seeds (all big conferences). I would like to see the stats before the mid to low major tournaments last week. I am sure Jerry predicted St. Mary's was going to win over the Zags to get in.
Frankly, I am more impressed that he is Cheeks' lunch partner than his published accuracy numbers.
Then why do so many do even worse at picking who makes it and who doesn't? At any rate, of course the conference tournament upsets aren't picked...no one does that. The point remains, he's missed very few and done far better than most that publicly put their work out there to be scrutinized. I'm glad he is getting paid nicely for the effort.
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with the 30+ auto qualifiers and the 30 lock at-larges, it's basically picking the last 5 teams.
If they're only getting 65 of 68, they're probably less than 50% correct on the spots open for debate.
I'd say it's more around 7 to 8 teams, but you are correct....that said, why is it that most, the vast majority, do even worse than Palm or a few of the guys that are able to nail almost every team each year? Fair question, in my opinion.
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Keep feeling like Nova is on the cusp of gaining control of this one.
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So does Nova just get the eternal respect from the refs? Because there's no way that they've only committed 3 fouls this half.
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Keep feeling like Nova is on the cusp of gaining control of this one.
Maybe not. X keeps clamping down.
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I'd say it's more around 7 to 8 teams, but you are correct....that said, why is it that most, the vast majority, do even worse than Palm or a few of the guys that are able to nail almost every team each year? Fair question, in my opinion.
Actually, most do much better than Palm. He's not very good.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
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So does Nova just get the eternal respect from the refs? Because there's no way that they've only committed 3 fouls this half.
Stephens sucks as a ref lately. Defers to Wright, Patrick.
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Now Nova makes their push. What a kind bounce for Reynolds
1 pt game 40 seconds left.
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OT. X is shook
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Terrible call. Terrible
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Not sure I like this game going to overtime. Pushes our game back even later....but should mean more tired legs for our opponent if we win tonight.
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X up 7 with three to go, now tied. Ouch, that missed free throw.....
Marshal from X made some just terrible shots coming down stretch. Good game
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Terrible call. Terrible
I agree. He step into him.
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That call at the end of regulation was horrible. Just like the three charges against Howard.
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Not sure I like this game going to overtime. Pushes our game back even later....but should mean more tired legs for our opponent if we win tonight.
Meh, I have the Illinois state semi-finals to hold me over until the game starts. Another five overtimes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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Villanova given a gift of a spot in the championship game.
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Pashchall and Booth just imposing their will
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If I had to guess, the old Big East crowd is going to want Nova vs Seton Hall.....Xavier, MU and the others are not the core.
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If I had to guess, the old Big East crowd is going to want Nova vs Seton Hall.....Xavier, MU and the others are not the core.
Apparently the officials want Nova as well.
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Actually, most do much better than Palm. He's not very good.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
And again, that includes seedings for which they give points. On picking who gets in, he has been one of the top 3 over last 5 years.
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Apparently the officials want Nova as well.
Cant wait for the refs in second game. They probably want SH.
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If they're only getting 65 of 68, they're probably less than 50% correct on the spots open for debate.
This year will be really interesting. Almost all the resumes have deep flaws, so there's probably 8 teams that can make a case for the last 3 spots.
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If I had to guess, the old Big East crowd is going to want Nova vs Seton Hall.....Xavier, MU and the others are not the core.
The old big east crew is gone IMO. NYC though loves a winner. They will get behind whoever takes over the game. If Powell goes big it will be loud.
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sounds like a home game for villanova >:(
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X dominates points in the paint, and somehow Nova only commits 6 fouls in the last 25 minutes. Hmmm
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I’m here. That second half by nova was great. But 6 fouls. No. They had more than that for sure.
But champion team bias
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Xavier did that to themselves...they were dominating in the paint, so what do they do?? Down the stretch start jacking 3's, that weren't even close. Those had to be some of the worst shots I have ever seen down the stretch of a game. Just horrible.
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And again, that includes seedings for which they give points. On picking who gets in, he has been one of the top 3 over last 5 years.
Where does the top 3 number come from?
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Xavier looked great but Nova just too much down the stretch. Garden was packed and very loud for that game.
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This was essentially a road game. We almost stole it at the end. The Hall and their fans are really at the bottom of the barrel .
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Where does the top 3 number come from?
The top of the Bracket Matrix site by correct picks by year.
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The top of the Bracket Matrix site by correct picks by year.
Can you link to it? I tried to find it and couldn't. All I can find is the rankings page which go by seed.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of Friday March 15
New Old
26 25 Villanova
28 28 Marquette
52 52 Creighton
58 59 Seton Hall
64 64 Butler
68 70 Xavier
70 69 Providence
72 72 St. John's (NY)
80 82 Georgetown
102 102 DePaul
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Nova in solid control
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Nice to see Nova pull that out.
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Came down to the last shot . Villanova represents the league much better , in every respect, than The Hall. Glad they won the tournament. On to selection Sunday now. Let's get as many Big East teams into the tournament as possible.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.philly.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-seton-hall-big-east-tournament-ncaa-basketball-jay-wright-20190317.html%3FoutputType%3Damp
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Final Big East Net Rankings
New Old
26 26 Villanova
28 28 Marquette
53 52 Creighton
57 58 Seton Hall
64 64 Butler
67 68 Xavier
70 70 Providence
73 72 St. John’s
82 80 Georgetown
102 102 DePaul
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All things considered MU did well and the league got 4 teams in.
I think if Xavier would not have crapped the bed in non conference they might have been able to sneak in.
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Selected articles on Big East teams in tournament
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/17/seton-hall-ncaa-tournament/3184947002/
https://nypost.com/2019/03/17/st-johns-sneaks-into-ncaa-tournament-with-one-of-final-bubble-spots/
https://www.philly.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-basketball-march-madness-bracket-seed-ncaa-tournament-20190317.html
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If Seton Hall can get past Wofford they will have a rematch with Kentucky. Could be interesting.
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If Seton Hall can get past Wofford they will have a rematch with Kentucky. Could be interesting.
Kentucky got a lot better since that game IMO. Wofford is a load for SH.
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Kentucky got a lot better since that game IMO. Wofford is a load for SH.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/17/seton-hall-wofford-ncaa-tournament/3184955002/
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https://www.philly.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-basketball-march-madness-bracket-seed-ncaa-tournament-20190317.html
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Fletcher Magee and The Wofford Terriers looking to put the beat down on The Hall. This is a very tough match up:
https://nypost.com/2019/03/17/wofford-is-the-cinderella-seton-hall-needs-to-fear/
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/17/seton-hall-wofford-ncaa-tournament/3184955002/
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The Johnnies face a talented ASU squad led by Coach Hurley.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2019/03/17/arizona-state-march-madness-first-four/3196160002/
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I love the draw for the Johnnies. Playing against two up tempo teams that don't play a ton of defense. I could see SJU getting past ASU and Buffalo, and then running into Texas Tech....where things would change.
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I know I should cheer for all Big East teams to do well in the tourney, but Wofford is my second favorite team right now.
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I love the draw for the Johnnies. Playing against two up tempo teams that don't play a ton of defense. I could see SJU getting past ASU and Buffalo, and then running into Texas Tech....where things would change.
Here is an article from the Buffalo press on The Johnnies and ASU
https://buffalonews.com/2019/03/18/five-things-to-know-about-arizona-state-and-st-johns-ubs-potential-ncaa-tournament-opponents/
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The Arizona locals like Hurley
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2019/03/17/asu-basketball-revival-more-than-just-new-coat-paint-old-building/3197864002/
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Excellent research report on Fletcher Magee of Wofford. This is the type of kid who could go on a run in the tournament.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-os-sp-tfa-ncaa-fletcher-magee-mike-bianchi-0317-story.html
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Discussion of The Hall plans to defense Fletcher Magee
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/18/seton-hall-wofford-basketball/3201680002/
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St Mary’s has some history with Nova
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/amp/Some-deja-vu-as-St-Mary-s-will-face-Villanova-13695753.php
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Discussion of The Hall plans to defense Fletcher Magee
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/18/seton-hall-wofford-basketball/3201680002/
Coach told us coming from the Big East Tournament to the NCAA Tournament, they’re going to be calling more fouls.
:o
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St Mary’s knows how to keep battling . That is a good trait for a tournament team.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/sports/article228060944.html
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Nice background article on Michael Nzei
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/03/19/putting-off-wall-street-helped-land-seton-hall-senior-in-rare-class/amp/
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Loyola at Creighton 9 EDT ESPN U
Arkansas at Providence 9 EDT ESPN 2
Hopefully league gets some eyeballs
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Creighton in a battle with Loyola . Cooley & Company getting throttled by the Hogs.
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Coach. Cooley. Jacket.
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Nm
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Halftime
Creighton 36 Loyola 31
Hogs 42 Cooley& Company 31
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Creighton up 36-31. At end of 1st QUARTER. 144 - 124 pace.
NIT is back to halves this year. 36-31 at half.
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NIT is back to halves this year. 36-31 at half.
Doh. Scoreboard had itmlisted in Q’s. And with the FG%’s, it looked real.
Thanks
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Creighton Up 49-41
Hogs 49 Cooley & Company 36
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NIT is back to halves this year. 36-31 at half.
Yet, the NIT is resetting fouls at the 10 minute mark. Same as they did in 2017.
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Cooley & Company losing by 18 to Hogs before a lackluster crowd at the Dunk
Creighton up 7 over Loyola with 4:47 left
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Cooley's buddy McDermott and The Bluejays get the win 70-61. Creighton to face off against Memphis at home next game.
Cooley & Company sucking wind at the Dunk. I guess it was hard for them to get up for the NIT.
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5755 showed up at tonight's Creighton victory.
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Toledo at Xavier
Harvard at Georgetown
Butler at Nebraska
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Wednesday 3/20
NIT- 6 Harvard @ 3 Georgetown, 6:00, ESPN2 - Mike Corey, Malcolm Huckaby
Line: Georgetown -5.5
NIT- 6 Toledo @ 3 Xavier, 6:00, ESPN3 - Jim Barbar, Rob Kennedy
Line: Xavier -7
CBI- Central Michigan @ DePaul, 7:00, video https://depaulbluedemons.com/watch/?Live=71&type=Live
Line: DePaul -5
NIT- 5 Butler @ 4 Nebraska, 8:00, ESPN2 - Jordan Bernfield, Kevin Lehman
Line: Nebraska -5.5
NCAA- St. John's vs. Arizona State, 8:10, truTV - Spero Dedes, Jim Jackson, Steve Smith, Ros Gold-Onwude
Line: Arizona State -2.5
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Wednesday 3/20
NIT- 6 Harvard @ 3 Georgetown, 6:00, ESPN2 - Mike Corey, Malcolm Huckaby
Line: Georgetown -5.5
NIT- 6 Toledo @ 3 Xavier, 6:00, ESPN3 - Jim Barbar, Rob Kennedy
Line: Xavier -7
CBI- Central Michigan @ DePaul, 7:00, video https://depaulbluedemons.com/watch/?Live=71&type=Live
Line: DePaul -5
NIT- 5 Butler @ 4 Nebraska, 8:00, ESPN2 - Jordan Bernfield, Kevin Lehman
Line: Nebraska -5.5
NCAA- St. John's vs. Arizona State, 8:10, truTV - Spero Dedes, Jim Jackson, Steve Smith, Ros Gold-Onwude
Line: Arizona State -2.5
Thanks for including that link to the DePaul game. The only thing I love more than DePaul basketball is the CBI tournament. I will be using a catheter so I don't have to miss even one second of the riveting action if nature happens to call. I've got Blue Demon March Madness, baby!
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Tough Time for Coach Mullin. Working through death of brother.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26309146/mullin-focused-tourney-death-brother
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5755 showed up at tonight's Creighton victory.
That's it? Doesn't Creighton historically have crazy good attendance?
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I like Cooley, I think he's a good coach, but man, he needs to get some shooters in the worst way. 3-23 from behind the arc last night, and it wasn't exactly just a one-off. Only one player above 35% from deep on the year. For reference, we have 5, 6 if you include Cam.
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That's it? Doesn't Creighton historically have crazy good attendance?
That is a solid crowd for a 1st round NIT game, with selling tickets in 2 days.
Wright State at Clemson-1,718
Hofstra at NC State- 5,550 (game was played at their classic old arena)
Lipscomb at Davidson-1,647
Campbell at UNCG-4,459
St. Francis PA at Indiana-5,431
San Diego at Memphis-8,138
South Dakota State at Texas-1,739
Arkansas at Providence-3,057 (9PM local start)
Loyola at Creighton-5,755
Dayton at Colorado-3,091
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I like Cooley, I think he's a good coach, but man, he needs to get some shooters in the worst way. 3-23 from behind the arc last night, and it wasn't exactly just a one-off. Only one player above 35% from deep on the year. For reference, we have 5, 6 if you include Cam.
The arc was lengthened to international distance for NIT. However, I agree with you, they do not have that three point threat in their arsenal. It really hurts them in games where the other team gets out to a big lead.
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That's it? Doesn't Creighton historically have crazy good attendance?
I was somewhat surprised at first blush. However, it is a late Tuesday night game which was announced Sunday night. So not a lot of time for advance ticket sales. Also, I believe NIT mandates prices for student tickets, so unless some benefactor bought the student tickets not many of them. All things considered it was not a bad crowd. Shows the strength of their fan base.
By way of comparison, Providence had 3057 at the Dunkin Donuts Dome.
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Local press Arizona predictions on ASU Johnnie game
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/asu/2019/03/20/prediction-asu-use-experience-beat-st-johns-first-four/3220088002/
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ASU Remy Martin says he will play through injury. I am sure there fans will toast to that.
http://arizonasports.com/story/1880851/ncaa-tournament-remy-martin-groin-injury-asu-vs-st-johns-first-four/
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ASU Remy Martin says he will play through injury. I am sure there fans will toast to that.
http://arizonasports.com/story/1880851/ncaa-tournament-remy-martin-groin-injury-asu-vs-st-johns-first-four/
(https://img.memecdn.com/i-see-what-you-did-there_o_514831.gif)
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Good Intra Ohio match up tonight at Xavier
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/3210104002
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X and Toledo ties 19-19 7:12 left first half
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Georgetown 36 Harvard 35
Xavier 27 Toledo 27
Both games at the half.
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X and Toledo ties 27 27 at half
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Georgetown 36 Harvard 35 Half
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Georgetown hosting at the Thompson Center...
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X up 62-43 8:16 left
Hoyas up 54-52. Visual of a full Thompson center is better than an empty arena
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Harvard up 57-54 8:15 left
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X up 69-51 3:51 left
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I guess it is the McDonough Arena as the Thompson Center is the practice facility.
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X beats Todd Kowalczyk and Toledo 78-64
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Harvard beats Georgetown 71-68
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Norfolk State won at Alabama 80-79 in OT. Wow!
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Norfolk State won at Alabama 80-79 in OT. Wow!
That last GTown play out of the time out was....hmmmm bad.
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Hate St John’s but hopefully they win one for the conference. Love to see some big east teams advance to the weekend.
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The Johnnies are there typical bad playground self . Down 20-10 11:24 left first
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No DePaul love?
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St. John’s getting their ass handed to them. No beuno for the BE.
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Lots of time, but the SJU strategy for the past 2 months has basically been jack contested 3s, hope they fall.
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St. John’s getting their ass handed to them. No beuno for the BE.
ASU 29 The Johnnies 13 7:26 left first. Johnnies are nothing but bad chuckers tonight.
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No DePaul love?
I'm watching some it. DePaul up 94-78. Strus with 33 points.
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What do you do with Mullin if you’re St. John’s?
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What do you do with Mullin if you’re St. John’s?
ASU 35 Johnnies 17 4:56 left first. The Johnnies showing literally no game plan . That is an indictment on the coach .
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Nebraska 31 Butler 30 Half
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What do you do with Mullin if you’re St. John’s?
He’s the best player in school history and has had steady improvement year to year. Obviously going to stick with him.
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What do you do with Mullin if you’re St. John’s?
Wait it out? Hows their incoming recruits look?
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That last GTown play out of the time out was....hmmmm bad.
Finishes like that can lead people to believe Georgetown is the most underperforming BE team of the last five years.
St. John's: "Uh, hold my beer."
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Wait it out? Hows their incoming recruits look?
According to 247 Sports, they have the 10th rated recruiting class coming in...
...in the Big East.
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Hurley , Cheatem and Remy Martin 38 The Johnnies 25 Half
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Huskers 46 Bulldogs 42 14:48 left
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According to 247 Sports, they have the 10th rated recruiting class coming in...
...in the Big East.
According to 247 MU has the 10th best recruiting class in the BE.
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Wait it out? Hows their incoming recruits look?
Recruits? Nada. Transfers? Some pretty good ones. Mullin trying three Iowa state strategy
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StJ has turned it up a notch. Should be a good finish.
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Huskers 66 Bulldogs 57 4:47
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Hustlers 71 Bulldogs 69 1:33 left
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Huskers best Bulldogs setting up potential 3rd round match up with Creighton
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Big East not looking great. Always wonder if the conf performance in NIT games is a forecast of NCAA performance. Hope not.
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Big East not looking great. Always wonder if the conf performance in NIT games is a forecast of NCAA performance. Hope not.
Sounds logical..
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I have never seen anything like this SJU/ASU game
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SJU just a disaster.
Miss lay ups.
Miss passes
Miss free throws.
ASU has tried to hand them an opportunity to comeback
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The Johnnies are inept. This game was there for the taking.
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I have never seen anything like this SJU/ASU game
Really really difficult to watch, most of their turnovers were completely unforced
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I was shocked when I heard St Johns has not won an NCCA tournament game in TWENTY YEARS. that is insanely sad.. The roster mullin has made is a freakin joke. ZERO bench. its inexcusable. Imagine how bad they will be without ponds. They could easily go THIRTY YEARS with no tourney wins. That is an utter disgrace of a program
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SJU just a disaster.
Miss lay ups.
Miss passes
Miss free throws.
ASU has tried to hand them an opportunity to comeback
...missed putback dunk attempts
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The Johnnies completely waste a talented point guard like Ponds by surrounding him with chuckers. They settled down a bit in second half but it was too late .
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I am glad they lost. They sucked and didn't even deserve to be in the first four.
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Crazy that if Heron or Clark just have a mediocre game they probably win
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Az state has been my adopted team. love bobby hurley and have them beating buffalo in round 1
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Az state has been my adopted team. love bobby hurley and have them beating buffalo in round 1
I think this is even less likely than MSU over MU. Buffalo is good.
Good luck to your bracket!
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I really wish X had been the 4th team in over SJ. Now that’s a team no one would’ve wanted to see in the tourney
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I think this is even less likely than MSU over MU. Buffalo is good.
Good luck to your bracket!
no doubt buffalo is good, hoping bobby h has the team boned up duke style at the right time! that 1st win over the johnnies was a big confidence gainer. now they have something to believe in plus coach has been there-bobby may be auditioning for ucla or...?
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Willard getting some attention from the local press.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/03/with-seton-hall-in-ncaa-tournament-again-will-a-big-school-finally-want-to-dance-with-coach-kevin-willard.html
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Willard getting some attention from the local press.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/03/with-seton-hall-in-ncaa-tournament-again-will-a-big-school-finally-want-to-dance-with-coach-kevin-willard.html
What an annoying article.
"So with the coaching carousel furiously turning and jobs opening up from the Pac-12 to the SEC to the Mountain West, will Willard’s name emerge for any higher-profile jobs?"
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According to 247 MU has the 10th best recruiting class in the BE.
If so it changed from yesterday. MU with Akanno was 9th.
Just checked. It didn't change. St John's 10th & 146 nationally. Marquette 9th & 137 nationally.
https://247sports.com/college/saint-johns/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/
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Carino asks the question Will the Nation Finally Notice Myles Powell ?
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/20/seton-hall-wofford-myles-powell/3216778002/
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I think Xavier is going to be a solid squad next year. They are embracing the NIT and can build off of it.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/03/21/ncaa-nit-2019-xavier-enjoys-beating-toledo-looks-ahead-texas/3230541002/
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CBS just showed Wojo telling the kids to play angry.....
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I like it Wojo! Play like some dogs today
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I like it Wojo! Play like some dogs today
Ja and Markus are friendly.
https://www.wxyz.com/sports/star-guards-markus-howard-and-ja-morant-headline-marquette-and-murray-state-matchup
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I like it Wojo! Play like some dogs today
Reporter: Mike, very few of your fights go more than three rounds. Why is that?
Mike Tyson: I’m very angry when I fight. I pretend like I just found out the other guy stole my radio. Angry!!!
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Xavier might be the team to beat next year. Most players returning, and 4 four star players signed for next year.
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Xavier might be the team to beat next year. Most players returning, and 4 four star players signed for next year.
By most do you mean 4/7 of their top guys? And by 4 four stars do you mean 2 4-stars and 2 3-stars? Unless there are some surprises in their freshman class or surprise improvement I think they will be middle of the pack again
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Markus and joey off to a good start is a good thing.
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According to ESPN they have 4 four stars coming in 2019. As to “most” I was referring to Xavier’s entire roster but 4 of 7 works as well.
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According to ESPN they have 4 four stars coming in 2019. As to “most” I was referring to Xavier’s entire roster but 4 of 7 works as well.
I wouldn't use ESPN for basketball rankings
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Hopefully Seton Hall and Villanova can hold up the leagues honor.
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Hopefully Seton Hall and Villanova can hold up the leagues honor.
Prepare to be disappointed. BE was exposed big time.
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https://nypost.com/2019/03/20/villanova-and-its-two-seniors-are-flying-under-the-radar/
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St. Marys 30 Nova 28 Halftime
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To hell with Seton Hall. Hope they get destroyed
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Well go nova
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Yeah wow I think we are MUCH more likely to beat st marys if we were a six seed. They are no where near as athletic and of course have no NBA players. Let alone a Ja Morant. Just got screwed with the match up. Worst 5 plays best 12
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Well our conference bell cow is gonna win so there ya go. Go pirates now or no?
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Well our conference bell cow is gonna win so there ya go. Go pirates now or no?
Good win by Nova. We need The Hall to win now. Hall winning adds to everyone’s bottom line.
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Seton Hall picking up where MU left off. Getting their doors blown off by Wofford.
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Wofford 36 The Hall 27 2:25 left
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40-30 Wofford up over The Hall at the half.
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40-30 Wofford up over The Hall at the half.
Seton hell 2.0
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Well our conference bell cow is gonna win so there ya go. Go pirates now or no?
Hell no. After the BET, hope Seton Hall gets destroyed. Go Wofford!
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Willard switched up to a press and it has worked well overall.
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Hell no. After the BET, hope Seton Hall gets destroyed. Go Wofford!
What you saw at the BET was how the Big East made its reputation. That was a good thing not a bad thing. MU will figure out how to get tougher. They did it under Buzz.
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Wofford 53 The Hall 48 11:37 left
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Sounds like Jacksonville hates Myles Powell too.
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Good lord McGhee can shoot. Wow.
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Bye Seton hall. One big east team in second round. This is what happens with hero ball. Same crap. Oh Powell plz keep unrealistically hitting deep contested threes to keep us in the game. Where as swofford runs offensenaive plays and passes to find get open shots. So sick of this. Yeah yeah I get the beast is down this year but it's been destroyed
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Good lord McGhee can shoot. Wow.
He knows it's going in.
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Big east unnatural carnal knowledgein sucks this year. Old bad ass Seton hall gets destroyed by a low major. Marquette gets destroyed
St John's handled. Jesus it's sad and infuriating. Sorry to rant
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Terrible year for the BE. Hate that we added to the embarrassment. I’m celebrating SH getting beat down
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Big east unnatural carnal knowledgein sucks this year. Old bad ass Seton hall gets destroyed by a low major. Marquette gets destroyed
St John's handled. Jesus it's sad and infuriating. Sorry to rant
The Hero ball method that Seton Hall employed was definitively proven not to work earlier today by MU. Wofford was patient ran plays and had wide open looks.
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Terrible year for the BE. Hate that we added to the embarrassment. I’m celebrating SH getting beat down
Same. Never ever feel down when they lose. Big east was embarrassing this year in the tournament.
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Terrible year for the BE. Hate that we added to the embarrassment. I’m celebrating SH getting beat down
Good to see Wofford win, definitely the better team and deserving to advance. I don't think Marquette just added to the embarrassment, we were the stars of the show!
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Good to see Wofford win, definitely the better team and deserving to advance. I don't think Marquette just added to the embarrassment, we were the stars of the show!
Ja’s dunk on Joey will be the highlight of the tourney
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Memphis at Creighton tonight 8:30 Eastern in ESPNU. If Creighton can survive Penny Hardaway and his Tigers a possible matchup with Nebraska looms.
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Sorry gang, I don't feel bad about Seton Hall losing.
Hope they sink into a New Jersey toxic waste dump, where they belong.
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X at Texas and Shaka Sunday at 3 central
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https://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/players-to-watch-keys-to-victory-for-creighton-vs-memphis/article_1415dd49-7545-5097-848c-5ff179c15ad9.html
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Creighton up 40-30 at half over Penny Hardaway and Memphis. Decent Friday night crowd for NIT.
Creighton Cheerleaders adding value as always.
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Creighton up 40-30 at half over Penny Hardaway and Memphis. Decent Friday night crowd for NIT.
Creighton Cheerleaders adding value as always.
Memphis also brought it's cheerleaders.
Creighton 62 Memphis 56, 8 minutes left. Game on ESPNU.
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Go Gaels
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Creighton up 40-30 at half over Penny Hardaway and Memphis. Decent Friday night crowd for NIT.
Creighton Cheerleaders adding value as always.
Do you live in NY? CU cheerleaders add value?
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Go Gaels
First time in NCAA history two 16s have led at half. It wasn’t that long ago that 1/16 games were laughers within the first 10 minutes. My how times have changed
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Do you live in NY? CU cheerleaders add value?
Was an inside joke from the chat room.
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Creighton up 70-56 3:58 left. Christian Bishop stepping up and doing good things for the Jays.
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First time in NCAA history two 16s have led at half. It wasn’t that long ago that 1/16 games were laughers within the first 10 minutes. My how times have changed
You wonder if Dayton has anything to do with that. Having NC Central & FDU playing #1 seeds would help that easier cause for the #1 seed.
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Creighton Won 79-67. On to the third round. Hopefully they can play Nebraska at home.
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Creighton Won 79-67. On to the third round. Hopefully they can play Nebraska at home.
Nebraska must win at TCU. I don't like the odds.
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Nebraska must win at TCU. I don't like the odds.
Not a bad crowd tonight 7031. If they play Nebraska at home they will sell out.
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I like how Creighton played down the stretch. Their team is going to be solid next year.
https://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/creighton-responds-to-second-half-pressure-from-memphis-advances-to/article_d6cbc5fb-c172-5fd4-8076-8b30d6f8da41.html
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Purdue 46 Nova 24
18 minutes left
Not a good look for the conference
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Nova getting beat like a drum.
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Nova getting beat like a drum.
Purdue up by 35. How bad is the Big East this year?
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Any left in NIT?
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Any left in NIT?
Creighton and Xavier.
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Creighton and Xavier.
Xavier faces Shaka tomorrow
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/3254359002
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Creighton semifinal set for Tuesday . Would be great to see a match up with Nebraska . Would add some fun energy to the event .
https://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/while-jays-await-tcu-nebraska-winner-date-set-for-creighton/article_054dbae0-0640-5967-ba27-80fec85e738d.html
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Sunday 3/24 NIT Schedule
(LL)6 Wichita State @ 2 Clemson, 1:00, ESPN - Mike Morgan, LaPhonso Ellis
(UR)3 Xavier @ 2 Texas, 3:00, ESPN - Ted Emrich, Lance Blanks
(UL)6 Harvard @ 2 NC State, 6:30, ESPNU - Roy Philpott, Paul Biancardi
(LR)4 Nebraska @ 1 TCU, 8:30, ESPNU - Mitch Holthus, Adrian Branch
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Shaka up 38-32 over X at halftime
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Overtime in Austin.
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Overtime in Austin.
Exciting, but X had a great chance to win in regulation
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Exciting, but X had a great chance to win in regulation
Tough loss for Xavier. Had two shots to force double overtime.
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Tough loss for Xavier. Had two shots to force double overtime.
Aargh...down to one Big East team left...
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Is it just me or were the games pretty “meh” these first two rounds? So many blowouts and teams running away with it. Should make for a great sweet sixteen as all the best teams are still playing for the most part.
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Is it just me or were the games pretty “meh” these first two rounds? So many blowouts and teams running away with it. Should make for a great sweet sixteen as all the best teams are still playing for the most part.
Overall, yes, it has been pretty boring. Especially, since the past few tournaments have featured some huge upsets.
However, the Duke vs. UCF game was a treat. One of the best round of 32 games I've seen.
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Overall, yes, it has been pretty boring. Especially, since the past few tournaments have featured some huge upsets.
However, the Duke vs. UCF game was a treat. One of the best round of 32 games I've seen.
+1. Both those teams brought it.
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Is it just me or were the games pretty “meh” these first two rounds? So many blowouts and teams running away with it. Should make for a great sweet sixteen as all the best teams are still playing for the most part.
Tennessee game was pretty good
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Tennessee game was pretty good
Yeah, definitely a few good ones. I’ll add the LSU one in there as well. I just saw on tv that Saturday had the largest average margin of victory in the history of the tournament at like 15 points. Not complaining but it does seem like there is a clear cut group of teams better than the rest. They all survived the “madness” so it should be a good week of hoops next week.
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Is it just me or were the games pretty “meh” these first two rounds? So many blowouts and teams running away with it. Should make for a great sweet sixteen as all the best teams are still playing for the most part.
Only a single OT game in the first 4 days. That's barely craziness let alone madness!
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14 of top 16 seeds advance. And one’s a 5 seed. The other beat UW.
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14 of top 16 seeds advance. And one’s a 5 seed. The other beat UW.
Top 14 on ken pom, plus 18 and 29.
Way too much chalk. Once MU loses, I'm usually all about Team Chaos. Sadly...that's not happening.
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Creighton has to go on the road now as unfortunately TCU bear Nebraska
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This is very superbarish but considering Lamb was a BE player...
https://mobile.twitter.com/SInow/status/1109976168881709056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1109976168881709056&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Fjeremy-lamb-hornets-buzzer-beater_n_5c98d005e4b0a6329e194c38
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Creighton at TCU Tonight at 8 central
https://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/players-to-watch-keys-to-victory-for-creighton-vs-tcu/article_381ef27a-0668-5b7f-9d66-18ef2094717e.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article228391394.html
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Will DePaul be the last team standing from the Big East? :-[
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DePaul has locked in their first winning season in many years. They are now 17-15 after beating Longwood in the CBI. They will play Coastal Carolina next in the semis.
https://depauliaonline.com/40117/sports/mens-basketball-advance-to-cbi-semifinals-with-victory-over-longwood/
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Will DePaul be the last team standing from the Big East? :-[
They are the highest rated kenpom team remaining in the CBI. The other semi-finalists: Coastal Carolina, Loyola Marymount, and South Florida.
I also learned today that the CBI final is best-of-three! I've never seen a college basketball series to decide a tournament winner.
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Coastal Carolina beat West Virginia 109-91 in the second round. CC lead at one point 94-69 with 7 minutes left.
West Virginia allowed its most points at home in program history, topping 107 by Notre Dame in 1971.
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It is too bad the students are on break this week. Hopefully DePaul can win the semi final and the students can make it back for the final series.
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Excellent research report regarding Mullin on Ponds decision
https://nypost.com/2019/03/21/shamorie-ponds-could-use-one-more-year-before-nba-jump/
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Creighton up 33-30 on the road against TCU. Halftime.
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TCU up 49-41 13:40 left
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Dibs...last mascot to put the outfit away for the season.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a9/c2/17/a9c21779d06ad1d50f90f27c9c829811.jpg)
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Creighton gets blown out in the second half by TCU. 71-58. DePaul is our last Big East team playing.
Creighton should be a solid team next year . I like how freshman Christian Bishop played at the end of the year. Don't know if Krampelj will use his last year of eligibility.
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DePaul will move on to best of 3 series in CBI. 92-87 over Coastal Carolina. Will play LMU or USF.
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DePaul plays Monday at the winner's, LMU or S Fla, then Wednesday at Home, and Friday, if necessary, also at home.
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DePaul will move on to best of 3 series in CBI. 92-87 over Coastal Carolina. Will play LMU or USF.
If DePaul wins the CBI Series they will have achieved a 20 win season.
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Does DePaul also pay BE schools credits for advancing? 0 for the Big East in NCAA credits.
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Does DePaul also pay BE schools credits for advancing? 0 for the Big East in NCAA credits.
DePaul paying to play in tournament. I think there are 5ish. 4 for games plus the one for the conference champion pool.
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Help us, Obi-Wan DePaul ... you're our only hope.
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DePaul paying to play in tournament. I think there are 5ish. 4 for games plus the one for the conference champion pool.
Ners... Or Hermie,
I don't schwing with teal. 82 and I are bonded on our hate for that color.
The end
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DePaul CBI Final opponent is going to be South Florida. Three game series Monday April 1 at USF games 2 and 3 (if necessary) at DePaul April 3 and 5. Match up of old Conference USA and Big East Rivals.
https://www.thedailystampede.com/2019/3/29/18286427/usf-mens-basketball-advances-to-championship-of-cbi-after-defeating-loyola-marymount-56-47
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DePaul CBI Final opponent is going to be South Florida. Three game series Monday April 1 at USF games 2 and 3 (if necessary) at DePaul April 3 and 5. Match up of old Conference USA and Big East Rivals.
https://www.thedailystampede.com/2019/3/29/18286427/usf-mens-basketball-advances-to-championship-of-cbi-after-defeating-loyola-marymount-56-47
It’s a pay-in tournament, yet the finals is a best of 3 series? Seems like schools wouldn’t go for that extra outlay of cash.
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It’s a pay-in tournament, yet the finals is a best of 3 series? Seems like schools wouldn’t go for that extra outlay of cash.
I have read that a couple of schools have actually made money on the tournament . The pay in is a guarantee and then there is profit sharing that includes some of the Tv revenue.
It is a good thing for DePaul to give kids experience of playing to win a title.
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Championship CBI
Game 1 - DePaul @ South Florida, 4/1, 6:00PM, ESPNU - Roy Philpott, Tim McCormick
Line: USF -1.5
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Championship CBI
Game 1 - DePaul @ South Florida, 4/1, 6:00PM, ESPNU - Roy Philpott, Tim McCormick
Line: USF -1.5
Lets see if the Blue Demons can steal a road win.
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DePaul loses, 63-61.
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Very good game. DePaul fought back to take the lead after trailing by 11 points.
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Saw a great tweet by Ken Pomeroy over the weekend...it said "Remember folks, unless your school makes the Final Four, your teams season will end before DePaul's". ;D
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USF 39 DePaul 34 halftime in the CBI Final . Eli Cain injures his wrist in second game of series and is out.
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DePaul lost in the CBI final to South Florida . The Blue Demons finished the season 19-17 . Their future looks promising .
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Paul Reed could be real good for the Blue Rats next year. Strus was a good player and fun to watch but his decision making was often suspect.
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DePaul lost in the CBI final to South Florida . The Blue Demons finished the season 19-17 . Their future looks promising .
Depending on your definition of promising. Compared to their last 20? years or so, sure.