What did I just witness????

[NavinRJohnson]

How can a team that hasn't lost a game all year (UNC), lose at home to Maryland who came in as an 18 point underdog?

How about UCLA losing at home to 11 point underdag USC?

Tyler Hansbrough and Kevin Love must not be legitimate big men. Either that or they don't have anybody who can shoot.

I guess MU isn't the only team that has disappointing games after all. Wonder if UNC and UCLA fans are starting to talk about being on the bubble, or not being able to win at home.

Bruce Pearl and Tennessee never would have lost those games, I'll tell you that much.

[🏀]

WHAT!?! THESE TEAMS WITH SUCH GREAT VETERANS AREN'T WINNING?

I'll enjoy reading the board again when all 'recent loss' posters leave.

[NavinRJohnson]

I'll enjoy reading the board again when all 'recent loss' posters leave.

So we'll see you here about 2:00 tomorrow then.

[muwarrior87]

knock on wood.

[LovinCrowder]

You can make fun of me all you want. I really don't care.  I asked a simple question and made some comments.   I'm entitled to my own opinion as you are.   I will not stoop to your level as to make fun of you. 


You're right and the rest of the world is wrong.........

[MUVOL06]

Wow.  I cant believe you guys are acting like you're 10 years old.  The difference between MU and UNC/UCLA is that those teams have won actual basketball games.  I know this is hard to believe, but MU is by no means a great team, in fact, they are very average.  UNC has wins over Davidson, Clemson, GA Tech, @Kentucky, @ Ohio State.  UCLA has wins over Michigan State, Washington State, Davidson, Stanford, Maryland. MU has wins over Coppin State, Savannah State, IPFW, Chaminade, Sacramento State.  My god, I think crean can even fit Cardinal-Stritch in on a Tuesday to soften up that tough string of games.  Its not uncommon to lose one game a year(the last team to go undefeated was in the 70's). The entire nation would agree that UCLA and UNC are far superior to MU, and they have the records and quality wins to back that up.  Just because your still mad, Navin, that MU is just an average team, does not mean you have to go act act like a whining schoolgirl.  If your a man, and i assume you are by your name, I suggest you go get some testosterone because Ive seen girls who act more mature than you.  What your doing here is something a jealous little girl would do. Just watch tomorrow when MU plays UCONN, their shooters wont show up and they will struggle.  Its the same story year after year.  Im just wondering if your going to start crying when they lose again? Or will you go into hiding because you have nothing to say.  If I may ask a few questions to you Navin...what great shooters do you think MU has?  What legitimate big men do they have?   Stop getting all defensive when someone rightfully criticizes Mu, its sad and pathetic how immature you are.

[NavinRJohnson]

The difference between MU and UNC/UCLA is that those teams have won actual basketball games.  I know this is hard to believe, but MU is by no means a great team, in fact, they are very average.  UNC has wins over Davidson, Clemson, GA Tech, @Kentucky, @ Ohio State.  UCLA has wins over Michigan State, Washington State, Davidson, Stanford, Maryland. MU has wins over Coppin State, Savannah State, IPFW, Chaminade, Sacramento State. 

Really, are those the only teams they have beaten? I could swear they have more than 5 wins. I could be wrong though.

[NavinRJohnson]

The entire nation would agree that UCLA and UNC are far superior to MU, and they have the records and quality wins to back that up.  Just because your still mad, Navin, that MU is just an average team, does not mean you have to go act act like a whining schoolgirl. 

I too would agree that UCLA and UNC are superior to MU (why did you leave out Tennessess?), and I guess we saw today that even they lose games...to heavy underdogs...on their home courts. Yet you would have us believe that a loss to Louisville...a very good Louisville team...helathy for the first time this year...on the road, is somehow an indication that MU is "very average."

MU will spend nearly every week of this season ranked among the top 15 teams in the nation. If that is the definition of very average, then I guess very average will have to do.

[NavinRJohnson]

You're right and the rest of the world is wrong.........

Well, I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but yes, I am right.

[MUVOL06]

Your right Navin....they only have 5 wins a piece.  I love how you completely ignore the questions I asked you.  Is this because you know the answer to both of them is "no one?"   The games I referenced were the quality wins of UNC and UCLA, as anyone can tell those are some quality wins.  They make up a large portion of their current schedules.  MU on the other hand spent the first half of the season playing teams that would lose to most high school teams.  Also, I dont know if you happened to follow today's games but that overly awesome Louisville team that is completely unstoppable (its the only possible way they could have beaten the great MU team a few days ago) lost by ten to Seton Hall. If I were you Navin I would start praying because UCONN is one of the best defensive teams in the country (in the top five in blocks per game and defensive field goal percentage).  So I would not be surprised if MU is stumped by their defense too.  Will you then be able to answer my questions? MU has no great shooter.  They have no frontcourt.  Just be prepared for a long day tomorrow, and don't walk outside after MU loses, I wouldn't want your tear ducts to freeze.   

[MUVOL06]

Also, TN happened to beat Ohio State today and should be in the top 5 this next week.  That makes them 16-1 and tops in the rpi.  I just wanted to let you know that.

[MUVOL06]

And Im happy that you think top 15 finishes for the season means something.  Quick, tell me every team that finished in the top 15 the last 5 years?  Cant do it without looking it up online? Winning championships is all that matters.  MU is a long way from accomplishing that.  Ill call you though when TN makes the final four and challenges for the national championship?  BTW you wouldn't happen to like The University of Wisconsin football team, do you?

[NavinRJohnson]

Winning championships is all that matters.  

How many of these championships has Tennessee won?

Ill call you though when TN makes the final four and challenges for the national championship?

Don't you mean when they win the national championship, since that's all that matters?

FOr the record, if UW-Madison never won another football game again, that's be too soon for me. Nice try though.

[MUVOL06]

I would agree, TN has not won any national championships. We, in fact, do not have a very proud tradition in mens basketball. Even more so, we were a bad, at best, team until Bruce Pearl came here 2 1/2 years ago.  See, I can admit that.  It kind of lessens my argument that national championships is all that matters and MU has 1, TN has 0.  But I can base my arguments in reality, where you can only make blatant biased statements similar to MU is an elite basketball team.  It would seem to me, however, that TN is much closer to winning their first national championship then MU is to winning their second.  Lets clear one thing up though, I love MU.  I attended all their home games when I was younger.  I still attend their games when I am in town.  I am just saying that in relation to the rest of the country, at this point in time MU is an average team.  No Big East Championships, no National Championships in the last 3 decades.  They havent won an NCAA tournament game since Wades final four.  TN has been building the last 3 yrs into a national power.  TN has 3 tourney wins the last 2 yrs, and an SEC East Title.  TN plays teams with a pulse in their out-of-conference schedule, Marquette plays teams that couldn't score 100 points if you locked them in a gym for the day.  They have a realistic chance at winning a national championship.  They have great depth, shooters, a great frontcourt and backcourt.  Their defense has improved dramatically as of late.  I still concede that they give up a lot of offensive rebounds but it hasn't cost them yet.  Marquette will struggle to win the rest of the year because they can't shoot and will play teams that can actually play defense. 

[spartan3186]

MUVOL why did you pick MUs worst losses and UNC and UCLAs best losses... thats not really a fair comparison. I could pick 5 cupcakes for both UNC and UCLA as well...

[MUVOL06]

Because, I cant name more than maybe 2 decent wins for MU, the wins for UNC and UCLA are much better wins than anything MU has to show. MU has not beaten any team this year that is seen as a dominant team.  Wisc was a good win, but that is about it.  Every team plays cupcakes, there are too many out of conference games to fill.  No team is going to play all top 15 teams when they do not have to.  Every team wants at least 4 or 5 games that are essentially automatic wins.  The difference is that MU plays more than that, and their "signature wins" are against softer teams like Wisconsin.  UNC and UCLA have some great wins, against dominant teams.  The reason I point to MU's bad wins is because all they have is bad wins.  I have never picked on MUS bad loses here, I think they should have beaten WVU and Louisville, but they couldn't.  The played very well against a strong Duke team, but they lost.  Whether it was close or not, a loss is a loss, they all hurt in the end.  The loses to Louisville and WVU aren't necessarily bad, but they should have won those games.  If they want to be seen as an elite team, they HAVE to win those games.  They can't because they dont have great shooters.  They have streaky shooters.  On any given night James, Fitz, McNeal, Cubian, Acker, Matthews and/or Haywood can score.  But too few show up on any given night.  ON a night like Louisville none of them show up.  For the rest of the season they are going to be unpredictable.  I can sit here and say they wont score against UCONN, but they could also go out and scorch the nets.  I would lean towards the first one because they have proven to not be consistently great at scoring.  Great teams score, average teams are streaky.  MU is streaky, thats the best they can hope for this year.

[ecompt]

VOL, to be fair, and I'm a little down on this team at this moment, we did go into Madison and beat a team that would beat Tennessee 100 of 100 times in that building.

[🏀]

Because, I cant name more than maybe 2 decent wins for MU, the wins for UNC and UCLA are much better wins than anything MU has to show. MU has not beaten any team this year that is seen as a dominant team.  Wisc was a good win, but that is about it.  Every team plays cupcakes, there are too many out of conference games to fill.  No team is going to play all top 15 teams when they do not have to.  Every team wants at least 4 or 5 games that are essentially automatic wins.  The difference is that MU plays more than that, and their "signature wins" are against softer teams like Wisconsin.  UNC and UCLA have some great wins, against dominant teams.  The reason I point to MU's bad wins is because all they have is bad wins.  I have never picked on MUS bad loses here, I think they should have beaten WVU and Louisville, but they couldn't.  The played very well against a strong Duke team, but they lost.  Whether it was close or not, a loss is a loss, they all hurt in the end.  The loses to Louisville and WVU aren't necessarily bad, but they should have won those games.  If they want to be seen as an elite team, they HAVE to win those games.  They can't because they dont have great shooters.  They have streaky shooters.  On any given night James, Fitz, McNeal, Cubian, Acker, Matthews and/or Haywood can score.  But too few show up on any given night.  ON a night like Louisville none of them show up.  For the rest of the season they are going to be unpredictable.  I can sit here and say they wont score against UCONN, but they could also go out and scorch the nets.  I would lean towards the first one because they have proven to not be consistently great at scoring.  Great teams score, average teams are streaky.  MU is streaky, thats the best they can hope for this year.

So then why are you here? Isn't their a Bruce Pearl Handjob festival site you should be at?

Scoopers, don't get worked up about this guy. He won't be back after tomorrow until MU loses again.

[Marquette84]

Wow.  I cant believe you guys are acting like you're 10 years old.  The difference between MU and UNC/UCLA is that those teams have won actual basketball games.  I know this is hard to believe, but MU is by no means a great team, in fact, they are very average.  UNC has wins over Davidson, Clemson, GA Tech, @Kentucky, @ Ohio State.  UCLA has wins over Michigan State, Washington State, Davidson, Stanford, Maryland. MU has wins over Coppin State, Savannah State, IPFW, Chaminade, Sacramento State. 

You're giving UNC credit for beating Kentucky this year?  Hell, GARDNER WEBB beat Kentucky this year!

We beat Wisconsin on the road (ranked 4th in the Pomeroy), but you find UCLA's neutral court win over 19th Michigan State or home win over 9th Washington State (not to mention #65 Davidson) far more impressive?

Our three losses are to #3 Duke, #7 West Virgina and #14 Louisville.   UCLA lost to #16 Texas and #38 Southern Cal (at home).  Not only does MU have a more impressive win than anyone UCLA has beaten, our worst loss is nowhere near as bad.

UNC's best win is over #17 Clemson--and it took them overtime to do it.  Clemson happens to be the one and ONLY game they've played against a team in Pomeroy's top 20.  Their loss is to #54 Maryland.   At Home.


So I certainly don't buy this garbage about how much better UCLA and UNC are because they've played a much more difficult schedule. 

UCLA is arguably not as good as MU, based on comparing best wins and worst losses to date.  UNC may well be better, but they haven't played anyone that you can point to that would prove it. 

[New Era Warriors]

MUVOL, you seem to be a Tennessee fan. You should not consider yourself a Marquette fans. You are not a true fan. Please leave this board and go to some Vol bball boards. Muscoop.com is for true Warrior fans that want to talk about Marquette hoops and support our team. Go Warriors!!!

[New Era Warriors]

Btw. Tennessee must suck, they haven't beaten anyone besides the likes of Ark Monticello, Prairie View A&M, Middle Tennessee State, North Carolina A&T, and Temple. Come on, get real. Come talk when Tenn. makes the Final 4 or wins the national championship. you can talk all about how "tenn. will make a run for the final four, and contend for the national championship" but they actually have to do it. yes, they have a good team, but don't start questioning the level marquette is on, and saying that they are an "average" team! get real! Marquette is not an "average" team, they are an above average to great team. WARRIORS!!!

[MarquetteVol]

This guy is doing nothing to help my street cred. I'm going to have launch a PR campaign to restore my good name. For the record, I do not know MUVOL06 and I do not support his opinions.

[MUVOL06]

Marquette Vol, you are right, I do not know you nor did I even realize someone might have a similar name.  For that I am sorry.  Now.... For the record, who cares about the Pomeroy rankings, does the NCAA use it?  No.  IN the NCAA RPI (the one the NCAA uses when seeding teams for the tournament-otherwise known as the most important poll when Tournament time comes around) TN is ranked number 1.  This is because they have beaten teams with a pulse, unlike Marq.    Who cares what some internet hack with a ranking system thinks, the only one that matters is the NCAA RPI.  For marqptm I will be back tomorrow whether or not MU loses, its not like beating UCONN is something special anymore.   To Shooter, just because I support TN does not mean I hate MU.  I like MU and have always supported them, but I am being realistic here.  Everything I have said has had some factual basis.  WIsc would not beat TN 100 times out of 100.  This is just a statement.  Where are you facts to back it up. When I say opinion statements I always start with an "I think" or "I believe" and then provide factual basis for it.  Just because some of you cant handle the facts does not mean I am wrong, or I hate MU, The facts are what they are, nothing more, nothing less.  I wish Marquette would recruit better shooters and some big men.  These are their weaknesses and they ALWAYS get exposed by them.  .  Wisc is having a down year this year, they have not been a very good team like in years past, but they are still capable of being ranked.  To say that TN sucks is your narrowminded bias.  If you truly cared about MU and basketball in general you would not make such stupid comments.  MU has to learn from teams like TN because they are a school that is getting topnotch recruits.  With Pearl there he easily can recruit the Milwaukee area, so not only is Crean battling Bo Ryan, but he is also fighting off Bruce Pearl.   I hate seeing MU play these nobody teams early in the season because it does them no good when Big East play begins.  It doesn't even help their resume when seeding purposes look at these things.  TN plays powderpuffs, just like every other team.  The difference, as I have said before is MU plays nothing but powderpuffs, TN played on the road @ Xavier, @ Gonzaga, OSU, and @ Memphis.  I made the statement that TN will challenge for a National Championship because I believe they can.  They have had a difficult schedule so far and are 16-1 @ this point in the season, they have PROVED they are a good team.  Marquette is an average team, they have no signature wins to show of.  This is a fact.  Beating a Wisconsin team is not good enough to make people say "WOW Marquette is really good this year"  They have PROVED nothing this season so far, and no one can disprove me on that.  Show me the BIG wins. Show me the clutch performances by the players.  All Im saying is that MU may be great...but they have nothing to prove that.  They have proved they are average.  TN has proved they are a very good team.  They have the wins and the performances to back it up.  And finally, I am going to have to launch an "educate Marquette fans as to the difference between biased opinions and facts" campaign.   

[IAmMarquette]

Marquette Vol, you are right, I do not know you nor did I even realize someone might have a similar name.  For that I am sorry.  Now.... For the record, who cares about the Pomeroy rankings, does the NCAA use it?  No.  IN the NCAA RPI (the one the NCAA uses when seeding teams for the tournament-otherwise known as the most important poll when Tournament time comes around) TN is ranked number 1.  This is because they have beaten teams with a pulse, unlike Marq.    Who cares what some internet hack with a ranking system thinks, the only one that matters is the NCAA RPI.  For marqptm I will be back tomorrow whether or not MU loses, its not like beating UCONN is something special anymore.   To Shooter, just because I support TN does not mean I hate MU.  I like MU and have always supported them, but I am being realistic here.  Everything I have said has had some factual basis.  WIsc would not beat TN 100 times out of 100.  This is just a statement.  Where are you facts to back it up. When I say opinion statements I always start with an "I think" or "I believe" and then provide factual basis for it.  Just because some of you cant handle the facts does not mean I am wrong, or I hate MU, The facts are what they are, nothing more, nothing less.  I wish Marquette would recruit better shooters and some big men.  These are their weaknesses and they ALWAYS get exposed by them.  .  Wisc is having a down year this year, they have not been a very good team like in years past, but they are still capable of being ranked.  To say that TN sucks is your narrowminded bias.  If you truly cared about MU and basketball in general you would not make such stupid comments.  MU has to learn from teams like TN because they are a school that is getting topnotch recruits.  With Pearl there he easily can recruit the Milwaukee area, so not only is Crean battling Bo Ryan, but he is also fighting off Bruce Pearl.   I hate seeing MU play these nobody teams early in the season because it does them no good when Big East play begins.  It doesn't even help their resume when seeding purposes look at these things.  TN plays powderpuffs, just like every other team.  The difference, as I have said before is MU plays nothing but powderpuffs, TN played on the road @ Xavier, @ Gonzaga, OSU, and @ Memphis.  I made the statement that TN will challenge for a National Championship because I believe they can.  They have had a difficult schedule so far and are 16-1 @ this point in the season, they have PROVED they are a good team.  Marquette is an average team, they have no signature wins to show of.  This is a fact.  Beating a Wisconsin team is not good enough to make people say "WOW Marquette is really good this year"  They have PROVED nothing this season so far, and no one can disprove me on that.  Show me the BIG wins. Show me the clutch performances by the players.  All Im saying is that MU may be great...but they have nothing to prove that.  They have proved they are average.  TN has proved they are a very good team.  They have the wins and the performances to back it up.  And finally, I am going to have to launch an "educate Marquette fans as to the difference between biased opinions and facts" campaign.   

Is there any way to insert the editing mark for "start a new f#$*ing paragraph"?

[mu_hilltopper]

Seconded.  MUVOL06, please, please put paragraphs in your posts.