Another millennial thread...

[GGGG]

I've raised a few millenials.  Worked at one time with more than I can count.  Patience is a virtue they lack.  Most of us had to wait our turn, but I found all too often an entitlement by some. 

Patience is virtue that all younger generations lack - and have lacked.  This is nothing new.

They couldn't wait to tell you how they were the smartest hot shots in the room, but they lacked experience which is the great equalizer.  Experience takes time, and to many didn't want to wait in my opinion.

No different then previous generations.

They are also part of a much more competitive world than in the past, that's a matter of timing and bad luck. 

Not sure that is accurate.  But really not sure if it matters.

Of course they could have been fighting in wars and being killed if born in an earlier generation, but that would require perspective and less whining.

Many of them have been "fighting wars and being killed."  Have you forgotten?

Regardless, that's pretty over the top.

[mu03eng]

Of course they could have been fighting in wars and being killed if born in an earlier generation, but that would require perspective and less whining.

1. They are, in fact, there are service members fighting in said "millennial" wars who weren't even born when the war started.
2. The millennial war experience is not that different than previous generations that aren't WWII. Wars with good intentions or not, but at the start were popular and saw that popularity erode. Service in the war is borne by 1% of the generation and largely poorer economic class. Peers who are idealistic and well intentioned but not understanding the experience of those who did serve.
3. No young generation ever has perspective, that is a function of time and experience....neither of which a young generation has. Now it seems that you are representing an example of how time and experience isn't always successful at educating someone but that doesn't invalidate the overall point

[WarriorDad]

Many of them have been "fighting wars and being killed."  Have you forgotten?

Regardless, that's pretty over the top.

Not to the level of my generation, and much less so of generations older than mine.  It isn't over the top when you consider the sacrifices others have made.  The things people complain about today would make men and women from 50 years ago vomit.  God forbid not everyone can get the latest iphone upgrade every year, or only get 3 weeks of vacation, can spend months at home with a newborn, protections at every turn.  We have it pretty damn good compared to others that complained infinitely less. 

[GGGG]

Not to the level of my generation, and much less so of generations older than mine.  It isn't over the top when you consider the sacrifices others have made.  The things people complain about today would make men and women from 50 years ago vomit.  God forbid not everyone can get the latest iphone upgrade every year, or only get 3 weeks of vacation, can spend months at home with a newborn, protections at every turn.  We have it pretty damn good compared to others that complained infinitely less. 

Do you know who else used to have moronic and irrational arguments about the current generation with a very similar tone to this?

Anyone have a guess?

[WarriorDad]

Thanks for the perfect example of cliche millennial commentary.

Also, is the irony lost on you that you are responsible for the rearing of those which you seem to have so much disdain for?

I don't disdain millenials.   I find them misguided and a product of the environment in which they grew up.  They essentially never lacked creature comforts, which is a blessing and a curse.  Mom and dad did the sacrificing for the kids, and my parents and others warned society this was not a good thing.  They were right.  Eventually millenials are starting to get it, with a bit more life experience, patience and eventual turning of the life cycle they have no choice.  That is a good thing.

There was nothing cliche about my comment.  The millenial generation as a whole has not sacrificed, be it financially, militarily, socially, health, you name it.  They have had it very good, a product of an advanced society and technology that goes with it.  They should be more thankful then they are, but that will come eventually.

[jesmu84]

Not to the level of my generation, and much less so of generations older than mine.  It isn't over the top when you consider the sacrifices others have made.  The things people complain about today would make men and women from 50 years ago vomit.  God forbid not everyone can get the latest iphone upgrade every year, or only get 3 weeks of vacation, can spend months at home with a newborn, protections at every turn.  We have it pretty damn good compared to others that complained infinitely less.

Are you really crying out against spending time at home with a newborn? Wow

[forgetful]

I don't disdain millenials.   I find them misguided and a product of the environment in which they grew up.  They essentially never lacked creature comforts, which is a blessing and a curse.  Mom and dad did the sacrificing for the kids, and my parents and others warned society this was not a good thing.  They were right.  Eventually millenials are starting to get it, with a bit more life experience, patience and eventual turning of the life cycle they have no choice.  That is a good thing.

There was nothing cliche about my comment.  The millenial generation as a whole has not sacrificed, be it financially, militarily, socially, health, you name it.  They have had it very good, a product of an advanced society and technology that goes with it.  They should be more thankful then they are, but that will come eventually.

You are judging an entire generation based on your misguided ideals of a few millennials.  If you knew a lot of millennials, you would view them a lot differently. 

[Galway Eagle]

I don't disdain millenials.   I find them misguided and a product of the environment in which they grew up.  They essentially never lacked creature comforts, which is a blessing and a curse.  Mom and dad did the sacrificing for the kids, and my parents and others warned society this was not a good thing.  They were right.  Eventually millenials are starting to get it, with a bit more life experience, patience and eventual turning of the life cycle they have no choice.  That is a good thing.

There was nothing cliche about my comment.  The millenial generation as a whole has not sacrificed, be it financially, militarily, socially, health, you name it.  They have had it very good, a product of an advanced society and technology that goes with it.  They should be more thankful then they are, but that will come eventually.

Yeah we haven't sacrificed financially. Hey wanna compare your old student loans with mine, then compare the cost of living with mine, then compare your starting salary relative to those numbers to mine?

People like you who think every millennials is sitting there at $90 brunch twice a weekend, desperate to live in fancy ultra modern apartments with no student loans making upward of 60k are completely out of touch.

And since you care so much about sacrificing militarily, tell me which war did Gen X sacrifice so much for?

[Efficient Frontier]

Thanks for the perfect example of cliche millennial commentary.

Also, is the irony lost on you that you are responsible for the rearing of those which you seem to have so much disdain for?

Jesus Christ. Jesmu - identifying with a meaningless label is not the same thing as being interesting or having a position.

There has to be something to better fill your time then to constantly bring posts back to "Millenials" "news" and getting butthurt when other posters share a viewpoint different from yours.

[jesmu84]

Jesus Christ. Jesmu - identifying with a meaningless label is not the same thing as being interesting or having a position.

There has to be something to better fill your time then to constantly bring posts back to "Millenials" "news" and getting butthurt when other posters share a viewpoint different from yours.

Listening to the constant insulting of one generation by another gets tiresome.

I forgot that's acceptable and defending their mindset/position in socioeconomics is bad.

[MUEng92]

They couldn't wait to tell you how they were the smartest hot shots in the room, but they lacked experience which is the great equalizer.  Experience takes time, and to many didn't want to wait in my opinion.

The summer I was hired full time out of Marquette I worked with a guy who was there as a summer intern who was just  like this.  If I didn't have control over my eyes they would have permanently rolled back in my head listening to how great he was. 

Of course he was from a far more detestable group of people...a Badger

[MUBurrow]

They essentially never lacked creature comforts, which is a blessing and a curse.  Mom and dad did the sacrificing for the kids, and my parents and others warned society this was not a good thing.  They were right... as a whole has not sacrificed, be it financially, militarily, socially, health, you name it.  They have had it very good, a product of an advanced society and technology that goes with it. 

This seems to describe boomers a heck of a lot more than millenials to me, and based on a much larger sample size to boot - but what do I know. 

[Efficient Frontier]

I forgot that's acceptable and defending their mindset/position in socioeconomics is bad.

You have offered no defense of a position, other than playing a victim about a meaningless demographic trend that should not impact you directly in the least.

If you're not the ass in the room claiming victim, or intellectual superiority, or rewards for work not done.... you're not what anyone is complaining about.

I'll add that the article was written by authors who do not (to my knowledge) post here on MU Scoop.

[mu03eng]

You have offered no defense of a position, other than playing a victim about a meaningless demographic trend that should not impact you directly in the least.

If you're not the ass in the room claiming victim, or intellectual superiority, or rewards for work not done.... you're not what anyone is complaining about.

I'll add that the article was written by authors who do not (to my knowledge) post here on MU Scoop.

Coming in hard off the top rope with the second post ever......

[GGGG]

Efficient Frontier has posted more than that.  The number of posts is "Hanging at the Al" only.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

And since you care so much about sacrificing militarily, tell me which war did Gen X sacrifice so much for?

Grenada?  The New Coke massacre?

In all seriousness, I'm often thought about this and the fact that as GenXers we never had to face a true national conflict like WW II, Vietnam, or even upheavals domestically such as the Civil Rights movement.  Even the Gulf War was relatively short and had low casualties.  For good or bad, we never faced a level of sacrifice that previous generations did.

[mu03eng]

Grenada?  The New Coke massacre?

In all seriousness, I'm often thought about this and the fact that as GenXers we never had to face a true national conflict like WW II, Vietnam, or even upheavals domestically such as the Civil Rights movement.  Even the Gulf War was relatively short and had low casualties.  For good or bad, we never faced a level of sacrifice that previous generations did.

Ummm, Cold War, Panama, Grenada, Iran, countless other Latin American skirmishes that went unreported? Just because people didn't die in an active shooting war isn't a measure of sacrifice.

[jesmu84]

You have offered no defense of a position, other than playing a victim about a meaningless demographic trend that should not impact you directly in the least.

If you're not the ass in the room claiming victim, or intellectual superiority, or rewards for work not done.... you're not what anyone is complaining about.

I'll add that the article was written by authors who do not (to my knowledge) post here on MU Scoop.

How do you have any idea whether or not I'm impacted by the economic realities mentioned in the article?

[Babybluejeans]

There was nothing cliche about my comment.  The millenial generation as a whole has not sacrificed, be it financially, militarily, socially, health, you name it.

You've brought up military service a lot in this thread, Cheekz. Remind me: which military branch did you serve in?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Ummm, Cold War, Panama, Grenada, Iran, countless other Latin American skirmishes that went unreported? Just because people didn't die in an active shooting war isn't a measure of sacrifice.

All of those combined don't remotely add up to Vietnam or WW II.  And, due to there no longer being a draft, for the vast majority of Americans there was no sacrifice required.  Unless you were in the active military or had family that was, what sacrifice did one have to make?

[MU82]

The things people complain about today would make men and women from 50 years ago vomit.

Says the guy complaining today.

All right already ... we'll all get off of your lawn!

[mu03eng]

All of those combined don't remotely add up to Vietnam or WW II.  And, due to there no longer being a draft, for the vast majority of Americans there was no sacrifice required.  Unless you were in the active military or had family that was, what sacrifice did one have to make?

Unless you were active duty or family of one in the Vietnam era what did one have to sacrifice?

And to answer your question directly, things like the oil embargo, spending on cold war programs instead of local programs, etc.had generational impacts.

[MU82]

You've brought up military service a lot in this thread, Cheekz. Remind me: which military branch did you serve in?

Maybe his daddy bought him "bone spurs."

[WarriorDad]

Yeah we haven't sacrificed financially. Hey wanna compare your old student loans with mine, then compare the cost of living with mine, then compare your starting salary relative to those numbers to mine?

People like you who think every millennials is sitting there at $90 brunch twice a weekend, desperate to live in fancy ultra modern apartments with no student loans making upward of 60k are completely out of touch.

And since you care so much about sacrificing militarily, tell me which war did Gen X sacrifice so much for?

My starting salary was less than $10K.  When I say you haven't sacrificed financially I'm talking about in comparison to others before you.  The liquidity today, the ability to gain capital, didn't exist back in the day at the levels today.  You have never experienced interest rates at 8% in your life, try dealing with 14% to 17% as the norm for several years and then being grateful when it dropped to 12% four 3 or 4 years straight.   Inflation rates double digits late '70s, early 80's.  We haven't seen it above 4% since 1991.

You don't have the lens of experience because you haven't been alive long enough to go through the ups and downs.   You will, and then you can pass on the cranky wisdom to the next group that tells you how bad they have it.

[Galway Eagle]

My starting salary was less than $10K.  When I say you haven't sacrificed financially I'm talking about in comparison to others before you.  The liquidity today, the ability to gain capital, didn't exist back in the day at the levels today.  You have never experienced interest rates at 8% in your life, try dealing with 14% to 17% as the norm for several years and then being grateful when it dropped to 12% four 3 or 4 years straight.   Inflation rates double digits late '70s, early 80's.  We haven't seen it above 4% since 1991.

You don't have the lens of experience because you haven't been alive long enough to go through the ups and downs.   You will, and then you can pass on the cranky wisdom to the next group that tells you how bad they have it.

Ah so we haven't sacrificed financially as long as it fits your narrative?