Charleston Chewed up

[Silent Verbal]

MUFINY is Herman Cain. Pretty sure that's AnotherMU84/Heisenburg/TooManyToList

Good lord, I'm not Heisenberg.  Have you seen me starting a million threads?  I'm just a longtime lurker.  It was frustrating to see an interesting discussion get derailed by someone trying to bait Ners into yet another Dawson/Deonte argument.

[Floorslapper]

Agree with you there.  Everytime we are grabbing a defensive rebound it seemingly looks like we are going to drop it, fumble it, whatever.  Maybe I just watch too much NBA.

Roster issue.  We lack in athleticism/quick twitch athletes.  Millisecond too slow, frequently.  What's most concerning is that it was evident against Charleston Southern.

Turning the ball over 19 times on your home court against a team with 7 freshman, 5 sophomores, that plays only 1 Junior and is 341st in the country in Experience category is concerning.

[fjm]

Roster issue.  We lack in athleticism/quick twitch athletes.  Millisecond too slow, frequently.  What's most concerning is that it was evident against Charleston Southern.

Turning the ball over 19 times on your home court against a team with 7 freshman, 5 sophomores, that plays only 1 Junior and is 341st in the country in Experience category is concerning.

True. That's not great.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not great but I think it's fair to say that some of the turnovers were playing down to their competition. They made a lot of unnecessary home run passes that I don't think they try against legit competition. For example, they had 9 turnovers against Louisville, 2 of which were offensive fouls.

To be clear, not saying that taking care of the ball is not an issue for this team. It clearly is. I just think a few of the turnovers against Charleston Southern were the result of them taking risks they knew they could afford because it was a blowout against a cupcake.

[Spotcheck Billy]

IIRC, Markus had a TO on the 1st possession of each half. I liked Wojo's mention of too many home runs and not enough singles.

[brewcity77]

IIRC, Markus had a TO on the 1st possession of each half. I liked Wojo's mention of too many home runs and not enough singles.

This team is at its best in half-court sets when Chartouny is the primary ballhandler. He sees things other guys simply don't. I laughed the other night when he made a beautiful bounce pass to Ed, then as Ed drove he tried whipping just as fancy a pass to the corner and threw it right to the CSU defender while also committing a charge. All I could think was "dude, that's Chartouny's game, not yours."

It surprised me that even in the second half against CSU, there were times Markus was bringing it up with Chartouny playing off the ball. Not sure what to make of that. Regardless, we aren't much of a transition team. Slowing the pace and being more deliberate on both ends is what will give us success.

[wadesworld]

Charleston Southern is one of the best teams at turning over their opponents in the country.

[Eldon]

My only complaint were the TV announcers.

"Theo John, not to be confused with Little John of Robin Hood fame."

and my favorite: "Look at that patience in the lane.  You can't teach that."  (I mean, you literally *have* to teach that.  It's not a inherited trait.)

Yeah, they were pretty bad.  But I did like that one of them mentioned that 'Chartouny should be bringing up the ball; Howard needs to play off the ball'.  Best thing they said all night.

[BM1090]

Charleston Southern is one of the best teams at turning over their opponents in the country.

Well, 55th anyways.

[Archies Bat]

It surprised me that even in the second half against CSU, there were times Markus was bringing it up with Chartouny playing off the ball. Not sure what to make of that.

I suspect Markus is getting reps handling the ball now to be better prepared for conference play to spell JC, especially considering Greg's injury.

[wadesworld]

Well, 55th anyways.

Through 11/27 they were averaging forcing 20.57 turnovers/game, good for 3rd in the NCAA behind FIU and UNO.

They are 24th best in turnover margin (and Presbyterian is 2nd best).

[Floorslapper]

Charleston Southern is one of the best teams at turning over their opponents in the country.

I feel better.  Thanks.

Or wait they've played:

Columbia International (NON D1)
22 Florida (who committed 8 turnovers against them)
344 South Carolina State
191 Middle Tennessee State (17 turnovers forced)
Trinity Baptist (NON D1)
351 Coppin State

Love how far you are willing to go to grasp at straws to justify our team's "performance."

[wadesworld]

I feel better.  Thanks.

Or wait they've played:

Columbia International (NON D1)
22 Florida (who committed 8 turnovers against them)
344 South Carolina State
191 Middle Tennessee State (17 turnovers forced)
Trinity Baptist (NON D1)
351 Coppin State

Love how far you are willing to go to grasp at straws to justify our team's "performance."

So they aren't one of the best teams at turning over their opponents in the country?  Got it.  Thanks Ners!  Glad the Minoqua North coach instilled such a high understanding of the game of basketball in you!

[fjm]

I feel better.  Thanks.

Or wait they've played:

Columbia International (NON D1)
22 Florida (who committed 8 turnovers against them)
344 South Carolina State
191 Middle Tennessee State (17 turnovers forced)
Trinity Baptist (NON D1)
351 Coppin State

Love how far you are willing to go to grasp at straws to justify our team's "performance."

I don't get it. He went off the stats that are there. What are you basing it off of?

[wadesworld]

I don't get it. He went off the stats that are there. What are you basing it off of?

When he was asked why he only commented on threads that have to do with the games we just played when it's a game we lost Ners claimed it was because our opponent sucked and there was nothing to conclude about the game because of that (except that Joe can play against mid to low majors and he hopes he proves he can do so against high majors too).

But now he wants to go and conclude that we suck because we had 19 turnovers in the game, despite claiming there was nothing to conclude about the Charleston Southern game.

But then when it's pointed out that Charleston Southern turns their opponents over quite often, he claims that stat doesn't count because their opponents suck.

It's what he does.  He zigs and then zags and then zigs and then zags to fit an agenda.  And with every turn, I laugh harder and harder.

I was going to ask him if he wanted to put down a month Scoop ban on over/under 18.5 turnovers against KState since he's so concerned about the 19 turnovers we had against a far lesser opponent in Charleston Southern, but we all know how Ners and bans end up, so even if I win there's 0 chance he pays out on that bet.  We'd just have another "new" poster on Scoop within a week.  I will give Ners credit that, unlike Chicos, at least he won't pretend he isn't Ners.  Because to do that he'd have to claim that there's another Marquette fan in this world that has laced up some basketball shoes at some point in his life, which is obviously not possible.

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah, they were pretty bad.  But I did like that one of them mentioned that 'Chartouny should be bringing up the ball; Howard needs to play off the ball'.  Best thing they said all night.

I think Stephen Howard played for DePaul when Joey was coaching.

[Floorslapper]

So they aren't one of the best teams at turning over their opponents in the country?  Got it.  Thanks Ners!  Glad the Minoqua North coach instilled such a high understanding of the game of basketball in you!

Do you realize what a pud you come off as with your repeated Minoqua North/Nimrod/Northwoods etc., references?  (Which is wrong anyway - my school had 800 student enrollment if you want to get right down to it.)

You strike me as a smart guy, intelligent, and I do think you have a general good sense of basketball (but you lack any degree of an ability to be objective/critical of Wojo) and as a result you come across ignorant here.

[BM1090]

Do you realize what a pud you come off as with your repeated Minoqua North/Nimrod/Northwoods etc., references?  (Which is wrong anyway - my school had 800 student enrollment if you want to get right down to it.)

You strike me as a smart guy, intelligent, and I do think you have a general good sense of basketball (but you lack any degree of an ability to be objective/critical of Wojo) and as a result you come across ignorant here.

You know many here would say the same about you, minus the word critical?

[fjm]

When he was asked why he only commented on threads that have to do with the games we just played when it's a game we lost Ners claimed it was because our opponent sucked and there was nothing to conclude about the game because of that (except that Joe can play against mid to low majors and he hopes he proves he can do so against high majors too).

But now he wants to go and conclude that we suck because we had 19 turnovers in the game, despite claiming there was nothing to conclude about the Charleston Southern game.

But then when it's pointed out that Charleston Southern turns their opponents over quite often, he claims that stat doesn't count because their opponents suck.

It's what he does.  He zigs and then zags and then zigs and then zags to fit an agenda.  And with every turn, I laugh harder and harder.

I was going to ask him if he wanted to put down a month Scoop ban on over/under 18.5 turnovers against KState since he's so concerned about the 19 turnovers we had against a far lesser opponent in Charleston Southern, but we all know how Ners and bans end up, so even if I win there's 0 chance he pays out on that bet.  We'd just have another "new" poster on Scoop within a week.  I will give Ners credit that, unlike Chicos, at least he won't pretend he isn't Ners.  Because to do that he'd have to claim that there's another Marquette fan in this world that has laced up some basketball shoes at some point in his life, which is obviously not possible.

Whooooa. So inception like. I like it. That is true. He won't comment when we win against someone he sees as weaker. But will use their stats or whom they have/haven't played against MU.

I don't get it. Is he an MU fan? Or is he like a serial killer (actually a DePaul fan) where his first kill (first post) was an accident. But then realized he was in too deep (weird defense of half decent players being future all star forwards for the lakers) and enjoyed it and now can't get his way out so he just keeps trying to defend himself.

This should be a Netflix Special.

[GGGG]

I suspect Markus is getting reps handling the ball now to be better prepared for conference play to spell JC, especially considering Greg's injury.

They run more pick n roll when Markus brings up the ball. Not so much with JC.

[connie]

When he was asked why he only commented on threads that have to do with the games we just played when it's a game we lost Ners claimed it was because our opponent sucked and there was nothing to conclude about the game because of that (except that Joe can play against mid to low majors and he hopes he proves he can do so against high majors too).

But now he wants to go and conclude that we suck because we had 19 turnovers in the game, despite claiming there was nothing to conclude about the Charleston Southern game.

But then when it's pointed out that Charleston Southern turns their opponents over quite often, he claims that stat doesn't count because their opponents suck.

It's what he does.  He zigs and then zags and then zigs and then zags to fit an agenda.  And with every turn, I laugh harder and harder.

I was going to ask him if he wanted to put down a month Scoop ban on over/under 18.5 turnovers against KState since he's so concerned about the 19 turnovers we had against a far lesser opponent in Charleston Southern, but we all know how Ners and bans end up, so even if I win there's 0 chance he pays out on that bet.  We'd just have another "new" poster on Scoop within a week.  I will give Ners credit that, unlike Chicos, at least he won't pretend he isn't Ners.  Because to do that he'd have to claim that there's another Marquette fan in this world that has laced up some basketball shoes at some point in his life, which is obviously not possible.

Sorry, you spent way too much time on this.  The first two or three identities it was amusing until it got tiresome.  This incarnation went straight to tiresome.

[Spotcheck Billy]

I feel better.  Thanks.

Or wait they've played:

Columbia International (NON D1)
22 Florida (who committed 8 turnovers against them)
344 South Carolina State
191 Middle Tennessee State (17 turnovers forced)
Trinity Baptist (NON D1)
351 Coppin State

Love how far you are willing to go to grasp at straws to justify our team's "performance."

And the other 300+ div 1 schools didn't play any cupcakes right?

[Floorslapper]

And the other 300+ div 1 schools didn't play any cupcakes right?

If you or others want to place value on Charleston Southern's ability to force turnovers, based on their ranking in D-1, then you probably should throw out their results against NON-D-1 competition.

They forced 34 against powerful Trinity Baptist and 30 against powerful Columbia International.

They forced 8 against Florida, a Top 25 team.  Marquette had more turnovers (19) against Charleston Southern than 351st Coppin State (17 turnovers agains CS) and more than 191st Middle Tennessee (17 turnovers against CS)

[Folks,,,]

Do you realize what a pud you come off as with your repeated Minoqua North/Nimrod/Northwoods etc., references?  (Which is wrong anyway - my school had 800 student enrollment if you want to get right down to it.)

You strike me as a smart guy, intelligent, and I do think you have a general good sense of basketball (but you lack any degree of an ability to be objective/critical of Wojo) and as a result you come across ignorant here.

When he was asked why he only commented on threads that have to do with the games we just played when it's a game we lost Ners claimed it was because our opponent sucked and there was nothing to conclude about the game because of that (except that Joe can play against mid to low majors and he hopes he proves he can do so against high majors too).

But now he wants to go and conclude that we suck because we had 19 turnovers in the game, despite claiming there was nothing to conclude about the Charleston Southern game.

But then when it's pointed out that Charleston Southern turns their opponents over quite often, he claims that stat doesn't count because their opponents suck.

It's what he does.  He zigs and then zags and then zigs and then zags to fit an agenda.  And with every turn, I laugh harder and harder.

I was going to ask him if he wanted to put down a month Scoop ban on over/under 18.5 turnovers against KState since he's so concerned about the 19 turnovers we had against a far lesser opponent in Charleston Southern, but we all know how Ners and bans end up, so even if I win there's 0 chance he pays out on that bet.  We'd just have another "new" poster on Scoop within a week.  I will give Ners credit that, unlike Chicos, at least he won't pretend he isn't Ners.  Because to do that he'd have to claim that there's another Marquette fan in this world that has laced up some basketball shoes at some point in his life, which is obviously not possible.

[wadesworld]

If you or others want to place value on Charleston Southern's ability to force turnovers, based on their ranking in D-1, then you probably should throw out their results against NON-D-1 competition.

They forced 34 against powerful Trinity Baptist and 30 against powerful Columbia International.

They forced 8 against Florida, a Top 25 team.  Marquette had more turnovers (19) against Charleston Southern than 351st Coppin State (17 turnovers agains CS) and more than 191st Middle Tennessee (17 turnovers against CS)

Oh no!