5 year plan

[skianth16]

1st statement, probably right though impossible to know. 2nd statement, I personally remember there being a lot more hope for Harry being a difference maker than there is for Greg this season, maybe I'm wrong though. 3rd statement, Greg was our best defender last season and I think he would be our best defender this season. He led the team in points per possession allowed and it was by a very wide margin.

I'm a bit cautious to take that as proof that he's our best defender. Partly because he played more limited minutes and didn't have the same assignments as Sacar, Markus or Rowsey. And partly because playing fewer minutes gave him an advantage from an energy perspective.

This is not a knock on Greg; he played the role he was asked to play extremely well. But I think stats can at times not paint the full picture. Case in point - Matt Heldt was one of the most efficient players in the country last year - are you putting the ball in his hands at the end of a game when you're down?

[skianth16]

I'd asked earlier but no one answered. I am genuinely curious, how much non-MU college basketball do scoopers watch? And I mean in the past couple of years, not I used to watch a lot in the 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s.

I watch a ton. I'd say I average at least a game per day during the season. Most weekends it's closer to 4 or 5 (the benefits of having multiple TVs).

The most noticeable thing for me in the last few years is that we lack a lot of the pure athleticism of many other high majors. There are a ton of guys that are incredible athletes but only OK basketball players. MU, on the other hand, has a lot of very good basketball players who aren't all that athletic (comparatively).

And in general, the athleticism from other guys seems to translate better into defense than offense. They're quicker and can jump higher, so they can guard and rebound better. For us, our guys are great shooters, which translates into better 3FG%.

[tower912]

Villanova has a big lead but is currently 3 happy.

Ended up shooting  over 40 3's, many of the one pass and shoot type.

[Silent Verbal]

I prefer it too. The amateurism is a part of the reason why.  It's important to compare them to other college basketball teams.

When I look at Marquette, I certainly don't compare them to NBA teams.  I'm even cautious about comparing them to programs like Duke, who get players Marquette could never hope to.  Frankly, there was no comparison between Marquette and Kansas (another blue blood) on Wednesday.  If those teams played ten times, MU might win once.

Compared to good college basketball teams who aren't blue bloods, like Indiana (haven't been at that level since Knight), Marquette looks fair to middling at best, bad at worst.  MU's big men aren't good and they don't really have any guys who can take it to the basket.  We have three high level basketball players in the Hausers and Howard, and they aren't particularly athletic.

[Porky's Butthole]

The record isn't the issue.  We weren't expected to win either game, but the fact that we didn't look like we belonged in the same building, let alone the same court in either game is what's so disappointing.  What's even more disappointing is that the MU fan base and scoop accepts the fact that we're not supposed to win either game but that if only we were really competitive and were in both games the season could be salvaged.  Since when is that ok?  Why can't the alums vote with their wallets, not go to games, not buy season tickets and make a statement that nothing short of a return to the blue blood status we enjoyed in the 70's is acceptable?   The only reason Porky is attending this evening is because a business associate provided him with complementary tickets.  Porky Would not spend any $$ or go out of his way to watch mediocrity.  That doesn't mean Porky is a fair weather fan at all.  Still go out of the way to watch on TV and support the team but the administration is making it extremely difficult.  At the Circles event in NYC last month, Scholl made a point to single out Markus as the sole player representative to the NCAA Men's Basketball Div. 1 Oversight committee.  While that's great that Markus represents our program in a positive light, is a great student with tremendous leadership abilities and could be a future POTUS, blah blah blah, what about on the court?  Why shouldn't the Kansas and IU games be toss ups, on the road or on a neutral court and why can't we be favored at home?   In short, that's what Porky wants.  Do you?

[WarriorDad]

The record isn't the issue.  We weren't expected to win either game, but the fact that we didn't look like we belonged in the same building, let alone the same court in either game is what's so disappointing.  What's even more disappointing is that the MU fan base and scoop accepts the fact that we're not supposed to win either game but that if only we were really competitive and were in both games the season could be salvaged.  Since when is that ok?  Why can't the alums vote with their wallets, not go to games, not buy season tickets and make a statement that nothing short of a return to the blue blood status we enjoyed in the 70's is acceptable?   The only reason Porky is attending this evening is because a business associate provided him with complementary tickets.  Porky Would not spend any $$ or go out of his way to watch mediocrity.  That doesn't mean Porky is a fair weather fan at all.  Still go out of the way to watch on TV and support the team but the administration is making it extremely difficult.  At the Circles event in NYC last month, Scholl made a point to single out Markus as the sole player representative to the NCAA Men's Basketball Div. 1 Oversight committee.  While that's great that Markus represents our program in a positive light, is a great student with tremendous leadership abilities and could be a future POTUS, blah blah blah, what about on the court?  Why shouldn't the Kansas and IU games be toss ups, on the road or on a neutral court and why can't we be favored at home?   In short, that's what Porky wants.  Do you?

We didn't belong in the same building despite having a lead at halftime?  OK then.

[Floorslapper]

Yet Gard and Wojo head to head....

1-1?

Let's see how Wojo coaches when he loses two starting players.  (We've yet to see Wojo even have to coach through losing a playe for more than 1 game due to injury.)  MU health has been truly blessed in his tenure.

[BM1090]

1-1 yes, with Wisconsin being the substantial favorite each year.

[goldeneagle91114]

We didn't belong in the same building despite having a lead at halftime?  OK then.

Is that what you tell your daughter when you give her a participation trophy... "Its ok hunny, your team won the first half."

By the first media timeout in the second half we knew the game was over. We didn't compete, we didn't adjust, and we didn't score a freakin point for 9 full mintues. It looked like a KU but game to me, and that's not acceptable.

[Galway Eagle]

1-1?

Let's see how Wojo coaches when he loses two starting players.  (We've yet to see Wojo even have to coach through losing a playe for more than 1 game due to injury.)  MU health has been truly blessed in his tenure.

Matt Carlino says hi as does Greg Elliot and I'm pretty sure Duane Wilson missed a couple games as well.

edit: Katin Reinhardt also missed 3 games

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Lol,  had a double digit lead and it looked like we didn't belong.

This is why I can't take some seriously. It's okay to criticize but to completely dismiss half the game is ridiculous. Overall Kansas is the better team,  no question.

[WarriorDad]

Is that what you tell your daughter when you give her a participation trophy... "Its ok hunny, your team won the first half."

By the first media timeout in the second half we knew the game was over. We didn't compete, we didn't adjust, and we didn't score a freakin point for 9 full mintues. It looked like a KU but game to me, and that's not acceptable.

No, nor did I with my other kids, one of which was a DI athlete.  However, I also didn't make dumb statements that said their teams didn't belong in the same building when they clearly did, win or lose, if they indeed belonged in the same building.  MU did. 

Did UCLA losing to Michigan State last night mean they didn't belong to be a DI program, and should cash in the season?  I refuse to live my life in misery of my teams.  If we're bad, I'll say it. If we lose to a much better program, that's different.  I'm reserving judgment later in the season, not through 5 games.

[skianth16]

What's even more disappointing is that the MU fan base and scoop accepts the fact that we're not supposed to win either game but that if only we were really competitive and were in both games the season could be salvaged. 

Don't let the voices of the few drown out the many. There are a few people on scoop who are very pro Wojo and another few who are just very patient. And they post a lot. If you were to count individual posts, the views may seems evenly split on Wojo. But if you count the individuals, I think you'll see more who are frustrated with the current state of the program. If you go outside scoop to the other 95% of the fanbase, you'll definitely find more frustration than patience.

[wadesworld]

Don't let the voices of the few drown out the many. There are a few people on scoop who are very pro Wojo and another few who are just very patient. And they post a lot. If you were to count individual posts, the views may seems evenly split on Wojo. But if you count the individuals, I think you'll see more who are frustrated with the current state of the program. If you go outside scoop to the other 95% of the fanbase, you'll definitely find more frustration than patience.

I don't think you could have it anymore wrong. And if you could the seat would be at least a little, slight bit warm.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Don't let the voices of the few drown out the many. There are a few people on scoop who are very pro Wojo and another few who are just very patient. And they post a lot. If you were to count individual posts, the views may seems evenly split on Wojo. But if you count the individuals, I think you'll see more who are frustrated with the current state of the program. If you go outside scoop to the other 95% of the fanbase, you'll definitely find more frustration than patience.

Oh Lord. This is some high quality research right here.

[skianth16]

I don't think you could have it anymore wrong. And if you could the seat would be at least a little, slight bit warm.

High quantity Wojo guy, right on cue.

[tower912]

Yes, the calm ones are the problem.  Sounds like the rest of the internet.

[Galway Eagle]

Yes, the calm ones are the problem.  Sounds like the rest of the internet.

Was literally thinking this. It seems like the guys who hate wojo can only accept it if others hate wojo. There's no ground for patience, or frustration but still hopeful it's he has to go now or you're pro wojo.

[WhiteTrash]

I don't think you could have it anymore wrong. And if you could the seat would be at least a little, slight bit warm.

I don't think you 'reading the tea leafs' correctly. I don't think Wojo is going to be fired at the end of the year but I also know why MU has not offered an extension. Wojo is coaching for his job and MU is being very patient and giving him every opportunity to keep it. I for one hope he earns an extension but he hasn't yet and that is supported by MU's wait and see approach.

[Mutaman]

Was literally thinking this. It seems like the guys who hate wojo can only accept it if others hate wojo. There's no ground for patience, or frustration but still hopeful it's he has to go now or you're pro wojo.

After 4 years of pretty mediocre results (10 games under .500 in the conference) despite one of the biggest basketball budgets in the country, I'd say most folks have been pretty patient.

[Galway Eagle]

After 4 years of pretty mediocre results (10 games under .500 in the conference) despite one of the biggest basketball budgets in the country, I'd say most folks have been pretty patient.

I can't remember if you were around for wojos first and second years. There was a still a lot of the same posters complaining saying the same stuff.

[GGGG]

And anyone who continues to bring up "biggest budget" gets automatically discounted in my book.

[Mutaman]

I can't remember if you were around for wojos first and second years. There was a still a lot of the same posters complaining saying the same stuff.

That's why I posted "most folks"

[Mutaman]

And anyone who continues to bring up "biggest budget" gets automatically discounted in my book.

And  all these years I thought the Yankees had an unfair advantage when it came to competing with the Reds.

[GGGG]

And  all these years I thought the Yankees had an unfair advantage when it came to competing with the Reds.

No.  Please pay attention to what makes up the "basketball budget" at Marquette and how it differs from other schools.