Year 2 (Archie), Year 5 Wojo

[Floorslapper]

After watching tonight's game how would you have answered these questions:

Which team was missing 3 players, was in just their second year under their current head coach, and is the 269th youngest team in college basketball and ranked 194th in minutes continuity from last season?

Which team was playing with its full roster, is in its 5-year under the same coach and ranks 239th in experience, and 90th in minutes continuity from the last year?

Feel bad for the players on this team.  Great kids.  Good basketball players.  Saddled with a mediocre at best head coach.

[cheese ball chaser]

Here we go

[goldeneagle91114]

Here we go

Yep! Here we go, year 5 under Wojo and still the same old $h!t. Late rotations, zero fight, the list goes on.

[WarriorDad]

After watching tonight's game how would you have answered these questions:

Which team was missing 3 players, was in just their second year under their current head coach, and is the 269th youngest team in college basketball and ranked 194th in minutes continuity from last season?

Which team was playing with its full roster, is in its 5-year under the same coach and ranks 239th in experience, and 90th in minutes continuity from the last year?

Feel bad for the players on this team.  Great kids.  Good basketball players.  Saddled with a mediocre at best head coach.

Are you one of those guys that when we go on and win 4 or 5 in a row you disappear? 

[Lennys Tap]

Are you one of those guys that when we go on and win 4 or 5 in a row you disappear?

He's a relatively new poster (like yourself) so one can't say for sure - but my educated guess is "NO!"

[Floorslapper]

Are you one of those guys that when we go on and win 4 or 5 in a row you disappear?

Considering we've yet to win 3 consecutive Big East regular season games in the Wojo era, I'm not too worried about the above.

But, should we achieve that in the weak Big East this year, and we make a return to the Top 25, I'll be sure to give Wojo props and his due.   

[5DollarPitcher]

He’s right. Wojo supporters - don’t talk yourself into wasting any more time! Let’s be loud and force changes.

[mug644]

After watching tonight's game how would you have answered these questions:

Which team was missing 3 players, was in just their second year under their current head coach, and is the 269th youngest team in college basketball and ranked 194th in minutes continuity from last season?

Which team was playing with its full roster, is in its 5-year under the same coach and ranks 239th in experience, and 90th in minutes continuity from the last year?

Feel bad for the players on this team.  Great kids.  Good basketball players.  Saddled with a mediocre at best head coach.

While I accept your overall point of MU not stepping up and distinguishing who they are (or should be) against IU, the bolded part is incorrect. Greg Elliott is out, and his quickness was missing in this game.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He’s right. Wojo supporters - don’t talk yourself into wasting any more time! Let’s be loud and force changes.

Yeah.....I think you may overvalue Scoop's impact on Wojo's job evaluation....or anything for that matter

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

While I accept your overall point of MU not stepping up and distinguishing who they are (or should be) against IU, the bolded part is incorrect. Greg Elliott is out, and his quickness was missing in this game.

My hope was that we could use a medical redshirt on Greg. But I do admit that this game pushes me towards the "get that kid back here as soon as possible" camp

[Floorslapper]

While I accept your overall point of MU not stepping up and distinguishing who they are (or should be) against IU, the bolded part is incorrect. Greg Elliott is out, and his quickness was missing in this game.

Good point.  Greg would help this team, yet don't think his being available would have been enough to get us a win, or even a loss by less than 10 based on how we played overall.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

one game
A bad one but one game
Get marcus over to the 2g and things change

[JakeBarnes]

I think IU was missing 4 players per IU friends. But hey...we were missing Greg. So...prolly would have only lost 90-72

[5DollarPitcher]

Yeah.....I think you may overvalue Scoop's impact on Wojo's job evaluation....or anything for that matter

I think you undervalue. We’re fans. We’re the revenue. The #FireKidd movement started on a message board just like this and took to Twitter. We may not be everything but we’re not nothing.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think IU was missing 4 players per IU friends. But hey...we were missing Greg. So...prolly would have only lost 90-72

This is true. One was a walk-on and one was Race Thompson who is an unknown at this point. But they were down a top 75 freshman and a starter. I certainly underestimated them. That Phinesee kid is a gamer. I already knew Langford was good but Phinessee impressed me the most. Slowed down Markus and executed their offense really well.

[Mutaman]

I think you undervalue. We’re fans. We’re the revenue. The #FireKidd movement started on a message board just like this and took to Twitter. We may not be everything but we’re not nothing.

Wojo's not Kidd, he's more like McCarthy so i suspect we've got him for another 5-10 years. He's not going anywhere. So if we're going to push for anything, lets push that he hire some defensive minded hard nosed assistant who can teach good solid fundamentals.

Sort of like when Crean hired that Williams guy.

[Floorslapper]

one game
A bad one but one game
Get marcus over to the 2g and things change

Probably a good idea.  Yet Joe C isn't going to create a lot of good looks for Markus as he's simply not athletic enough to collapse a D and create drive/kick looks for Markus (or Sam).  But on the positive, moving Joe C to the 1 takes the ball out of Markus's hands, where he becomes a turnover machine when trying to do too much off the dribble.

[DCHoopster]

This is true. One was a walk-on and one was Race Thompson who is an unknown at this point. But they were down a top 75 freshman and a starter. I certainly underestimated them. That Phinesee kid is a gamer. I already knew Langford was good but Phinessee impressed me the most. Slowed down Markus and executed their offense really well.

How about 55?  They also seemed to run a much better offense than MU.  MU is a step slow, but Anim and Bailey have to bring more to the game then they showed
tonight, that is for sure.  I am not sure about this year but McEven and Markus playing the 2 next year will be much better.  If you want to play Joey and Sam together
with Theo, you better start thinking about a zone, to slow.  Joey had a nice game today, liked what I saw.  Sam for a few minutes, that was about it.  Game was over
at 19-5.  It was one game, no more, no less.  If you miss your free throws and threes, game over.  Lots to work on for the coaches to digest this effort, or lack of.

[Mutaman]

  Game was over at 19-5. 

Actually it wasn't. We cut it to 29-22 and had good momentum. Then Cain missed 2 free throws and we didn't score a basket for another 5 minutes.

[#UnleashSean]

Are you one of those guys that when we go on and win 4 or 5 in a row you disappear?

Outside of December buy games, when was the last time MU won 4 or 5 in a row?

[BM1090]

Outside of December buy games, when was the last time MU won 4 or 5 in a row?

We won 5 of 6 to finish last year sandwiched around the DePaul loss. But yeah under Wojo we've pretty much avoided losing streaks and winning streaks.

[Mutaman]

Outside of December buy games, when was the last time MU won 4 or 5 in a row?

Not counting cupcakes we won 4 in a row in the Big East 6 years ago.

[JakeBarnes]

one game
A bad one but one game
Get marcus over to the 2g and things change

One game, yes. But 7th worst defensive game of kenpom era for MU

[brewcity77]

One game, yes. But 7th worst defensive game of kenpom era for MU

Not true. That was based on incorrect stats. Not saying it was good, but this is factually incorrect.

[94Warrior]

I think you undervalue. We’re fans. We’re the revenue. The #FireKidd movement started on a message board just like this and took to Twitter. We may not be everything but we’re not nothing.

Nah, we are nothing!