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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #650 on: February 18, 2019, 11:25:20 AM »
As of right now, most brackets have Seton Hall in (and surprisingly fairly comfortably so) and Butler out.

Looks like StJ would have to totally fall apart to screw it up for themselves.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #651 on: February 18, 2019, 11:27:23 AM »
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 18, 2019, 11:22:59 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17. Butler is going to be an interesting case for the committee.
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19   20   Marquette   
20   19   Villanova   
46   49   St. John's (NY)   
49   54   Butler   
60   61   Seton Hall   
63   59   Creighton   
79   79   Georgetown   
85   74   Providence   
95   104   Xavier   
100   91   DePaul

Indeed.

As of the update this morning, they went from first four out to just barely in on Bracketmatrix.  When I say barely... I mean... like, you can't get it any closer.  Only one extra bracket projection put them there and 4 schools on the outside of the bubble have better average seeding.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #652 on: February 18, 2019, 01:40:27 PM »
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on February 18, 2019, 07:20:51 AM
I agree. St. John's is the ultimate enigma.   3-1 against Marquette and Villanova, 4-5 against the rest of the Big East.

Yep, they are so inconsistent. Sure Duke can blow out people but no way MU loses by 30 to them...but StJ was awful...Ponds totally shutdown.

Yet, like you said, they tortured us and Nova. Still smarting over that loss (Sam's last heave was so close! :( ).

I think StJohns gets in, gets a 12 or 13 and beats someone good before flaming out.

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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #653 on: February 18, 2019, 01:50:51 PM »
Quote from: MUBigDance on February 18, 2019, 01:40:27 PM
Yep, they are so inconsistent. Sure Duke can blow out people but no way MU loses by 30 to them...but StJ was awful...Ponds totally shutdown.

Yet, like you said, they tortured us and Nova. Still smarting over that loss (Sam's last heave was so close! :( ).

I think StJohns gets in, gets a 12 or 13 and beats someone good before flaming out.

That ain't gonna happen.  13 is going to be from a lower tier conference and 12 is only going to happen if they total bomb going the rest of the way.   They'll be 9/10 I'm sure. Maybe 11 if they lose more than expected of their remaining games.
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« Reply #654 on: February 18, 2019, 02:00:14 PM »
SJU is probably sitting on about the 9 line today. They aren't a lock yet but using the mantra that you need 68, as of today a no brainer. The Hall would certainly be IN today too.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #655 on: February 18, 2019, 02:20:39 PM »
Quote from: jsglow on February 18, 2019, 02:00:14 PM
SJU is probably sitting on about the 9 line today. They aren't a lock yet but using the mantra that you need 68, as of today a no brainer. The Hall would certainly be IN today too.

I have the Johnnies at the top of the 8-line and Seton Hall in the Last Four Byes. Agreed that neither are locks, but they have both accumulated some quality wins that few teams on the bubble can match.

The biggest problem for St. John's is that they can only really hurt their profile from here on out. They play Providence & DePaul away (both beat them in NYC), play Xavier twice, and the only theoretically challenging game left is Seton Hall at home. With how they've been this year, this is an interesting closing stretch because they tend to win the games they are supposed to lose and lose the games they are supposed to win. I think they'll be okay, on paper they should win out, but they are nothing if not unpredictable (or predictable in a bad way).

Right now, 4 bids seems likely and Butler sneaking in is certainly possible. They have a relatively favorable finish though a lack of high quality wins could hurt them when it comes to resume comparisons. With how weak this bubble is, though, 9-9 may be enough for them.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #656 on: February 18, 2019, 02:29:31 PM »
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2019, 02:20:39 PM
I have the Johnnies at the top of the 8-line and Seton Hall in the Last Four Byes. Agreed that neither are locks, but they have both accumulated some quality wins that few teams on the bubble can match.

The biggest problem for St. John's is that they can only really hurt their profile from here on out. They play Providence & DePaul away (both beat them in NYC), play Xavier twice, and the only theoretically challenging game left is Seton Hall at home. With how they've been this year, this is an interesting closing stretch because they tend to win the games they are supposed to lose and lose the games they are supposed to win. I think they'll be okay, on paper they should win out, but they are nothing if not unpredictable (or predictable in a bad way).

Right now, 4 bids seems likely and Butler sneaking in is certainly possible. They have a relatively favorable finish though a lack of high quality wins could hurt them when it comes to resume comparisons. With how weak this bubble is, though, 9-9 may be enough for them.

That is... until Creighton's offense gets super hot and they stop blowing their late leads, thus sweeping the BET and giving the BE 6 bids!   8-)
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #657 on: February 18, 2019, 02:38:32 PM »
Quote from: UWW2MU on February 18, 2019, 02:29:31 PM
That is... until Creighton's offense gets super hot and they stop blowing their late leads, thus sweeping the BET and giving the BE 6 bids!   8-)
Creighton Butler Big East Final with Creighton winning would be an ideal scenario for the league:)
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #658 on: February 18, 2019, 02:42:55 PM »
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 18, 2019, 02:38:32 PM
Creighton Butler Big East Final with Creighton winning would be an ideal scenario for the league:)
Yeah not if youre hoping for big tv ratings in the final.
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« Reply #659 on: February 18, 2019, 02:46:00 PM »
Quote from: Johnny B on February 18, 2019, 02:42:55 PM
Yeah not if youre hoping for big tv ratings in the final.
Yes TV and in house would be bad. However the league gets compensated for it with the NCAA units.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #660 on: February 18, 2019, 02:59:24 PM »
MU and Nova are the only teams with a shot to do any real damage in the NCAA Tournament so the best thing for the league would be those 2 getting as high of a seed as possible. So the best thing would be an MU vs. Nova final, and that’d also bring the most viewers with a top 15 matchup.

All I know is I’m hoping for a Marquette vs. Who the hell cares BE Tournament Final.
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« Reply #661 on: February 18, 2019, 05:00:26 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2019, 02:59:24 PM
MU and Nova are the only teams with a shot to do any real damage in the NCAA Tournament so the best thing for the league would be those 2 getting as high of a seed as possible. So the best thing would be an MU vs. Nova final, and that’d also bring the most viewers with a top 15 matchup.

All I know is I’m hoping for a Marquette vs. Who the hell cares BE Tournament Final.

What do you consider real damage?
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« Reply #662 on: February 18, 2019, 05:04:31 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2019, 02:59:24 PM
MU and Nova are the only teams with a shot to do any real damage in the NCAA Tournament so the best thing for the league would be those 2 getting as high of a seed as possible. So the best thing would be an MU vs. Nova final, and that’d also bring the most viewers with a top 15 matchup.

All I know is I’m hoping for a Marquette vs. Who the hell cares BE Tournament Final.

Agree with this, especially the last line, although I can't believe anybody is talking about the BEast tourney final yet because Wednesday's game is all that matters.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #663 on: February 18, 2019, 05:38:06 PM »
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 18, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
What do you consider real damage?

More than 1 win in the NCAA Tournament.
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Re: Big East Non Conference Results
« Reply #664 on: February 18, 2019, 05:48:32 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2019, 05:38:06 PM
More than 1 win in the NCAA Tournament.
The Hall has shown they can beat quality teams. Also quality guard play helps in the tournament and they have that.

Not sure they can get more than one win though, as they haven't shown the consistency needed.

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« Reply #665 on: February 18, 2019, 05:54:22 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2019, 05:38:06 PM
More than 1 win in the NCAA Tournament.

I think SJU or SHU could win 2 but they'd have to catch some good matchups and that's probably their best case scenario. Agree with you for the most part. Just need Ponds or Powell to go bonkers in a 2nd round game.
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