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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2018, 07:44:04 PM
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Seton Hall over Wagner
The Johnnies over Loyola Maryland
Providence over SIE
That’s a good start
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Creighton has a lot of new pieces and they look really disjointed on offense right now.
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Seton Hall over Wagner
The Johnnies over Loyola Maryland
Providence over SIE
That’s a good start
Uhh, not really.
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Looks like Villanova going to beat Morgan State
Big East 4-0 so far
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So Creighton Xavier and Georgetown win. With MU in victory column Big East starts off 8-0
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So Creighton Xavier and Georgetown win. With MU in victory column Big East starts off 8-0
And 0-0 in meaningful games.
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And 0-0 in meaningful games.
That’s ok it builds confidence and optics.
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Channel surfing and DePaul game on. They have a sort of new arena, right?
I am only guessing from TV shots, but there are probably 200 people in attendance, if that. Yikes.
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Channel surfing and DePaul game on. They have a sort of new arena, right?
I am only guessing from TV shots, but there are probably 200 people in attendance, if that. Yikes.
Bethune Cookman giving them all they can handle too.
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Bethune Cookman giving them all they can handle too.
Yeah, if up by 12 at half for DePaul is “all they can handle”
Some length for Bethune, but we should absolutely roast them.
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Channel surfing and DePaul game on.
No need to channel surf when we have a Big East Guide Thread. ;)
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56796.0
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No need to channel surf when we have a Big East Guide Thread. ;)
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56796.0
Yes and Thanks again.
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DePaul ends up romping over Bethune Cookman.
Big East now 9-0 in non conference.
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Toward predicting the first BE loss...
WichitaSt v Prov - Friday?
MorganSt v DP 11/12?
UW v X - 11/13?
Also GT plays ILL...not sure how good ILL is?
hoping the conference survives to about 11/15.
BE still needs good creds. As many wins as we can get.
Also BE plays 8 games against B10 through next week and at least another 4 before conference play. Would be nice to have winning records against other conferences.
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Toward predicting the first BE loss...
WichitaSt v Prov - Friday?
MorganSt v DP 11/12?
UW v X - 11/13?
Also GT plays ILL...not sure how good ILL is?
hoping the conference survives to about 11/15.
BE still needs good creds. As many wins as we can get.
Also BE plays 8 games against B10 through next week and at least another 4 before conference play. Would be nice to have winning records against other conferences.
Providence should demolish Wichita State, they lost a ton. I think X beats UW at home but you never know. Georgetown is better than Illinois but it is on the road. Think the Hoyas get it done.
If I had to guess, first loss will be Seton Hall at Nebraska on 11/14. Sadly, I think we may follow very quickly with a loss at Indiana. Our game starts an hour later. We are the better team IMHO but not by enough to win on the road. Should be a close game.
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Providence should demolish Wichita State, they lost a ton. I think X beats UW at home but you never know. Georgetown is better than Illinois but it is on the road. Think the Hoyas get it done.
If I had to guess, first loss will be Seton Hall at Nebraska on 11/14. Sadly, I think we may follow very quickly with a loss at Indiana. Our game starts an hour later. We are the better team IMHO but not by enough to win on the road. Should be a close game.
I was given courtside (all you can eat and drink) Twolves tickets on Wednesday. Almost turned them down due to the Marquette/Indiana game. Plan to turn my cell phone off, and pray like hell the Target Center doesn't do CBB ticker updates, and watch the MU game when I get home. Hope I can manage to avoid the score!
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Providence should demolish Wichita State, they lost a ton. I think X beats UW at home but you never know. Georgetown is better than Illinois but it is on the road. Think the Hoyas get it done.
If I had to guess, first loss will be Seton Hall at Nebraska on 11/14. Sadly, I think we may follow very quickly with a loss at Indiana. Our game starts an hour later. We are the better team IMHO but not by enough to win on the road. Should be a close game.
I was able to watch the replay of Xavier opener on Monday. Was very impressed by Ryan Welage. Quention Goodin has a shoulder issue, hopefully he can get back on the court soon.
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Sadly, I think we may follow very quickly with a loss at Indiana.
Disagree. This team is different. Experience, talented and deep (plus I'm not buying Langford 2-3 games into the season). They should start expecting to legitimately win every game (save for a Kansas or Duke). Certainly a game against on the road against a fringe Top 25 team qualifies.
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Basically everyone in the Big East is projected right around 500 except Villanova and DePaul.
That is just unrealistic thinking. There’s not only way too many good teams, but more importantly EVERYONE is at least pretty good. Getting to 10 wins is going to be an accomplishment, that I’m starting to think people aren’t getting that
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Basically everyone in the Big East is projected right around 500 except Villanova and DePaul.
That is just unrealistic thinking. There’s not only way too many good teams, but more importantly EVERYONE is at least pretty good. Getting to 10 wins is going to be an accomplishment, that I’m starting to think people aren’t getting that
If by pretty good, you mean that everyone could be top 100 then I agree, but I actually think they'll be more separation than the last two years when half the conference finished within a game of each other. I'll stick with my preseason prediction of 12-6 in conference.
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PC and the Johnnies both down at halftime.
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Prov and SJU have second half’s to bounce back in
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PC and the Johnnies both down at halftime.
Hopefully they rally in second half we need these two wins for the conference.
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It's getting worse.
Bowling Green 47 St. John's 38 on FS1
Wichita State 62 Providence 51 on CBSSN
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Remember Wichita St just lost to La Tech
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SJU ok but PU stinks
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Maybe Bowling Green beating DePaul in their secret scrimmage wasn't as bad as once thought. This is an embarrassing effort for PC.
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Some really bad discpline from St. John's the last few possessions. Gotta understand the situation.
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PC missed 13 free throws and lost by 3. Brutal.
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Cooley and Company screwed us. They need to practice shooting free throws. At least the Johnnies avoid embarrassment. Big East now 9-1.
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St. John's holds on 84-80.
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Off topic: Loyola 11-21 free throws. Up 1 over Furman w 2:03 left
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And 15.8% from 3.
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Loyola loses 60-58.
K State looked beatable against Kennasaw St.
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Maybe we're way better than even we think?
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PC missed 13 free throws and lost by 3. Brutal.
Losingby3nomatta
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Buffalo tied at 84 at #13 West Virginia with 14.2 seconds left.
EDIT: Headed to OT.
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Future opponent news: Buffalo comes from 13 down to upset West Virginia in overtime. CJ Massinburg with a huge night (43 pts/14 reb) as the Bulls win 99-94.
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Future opponent news: Buffalo comes from 13 down to upset West Virginia in overtime. CJ Massinburg with a huge night (43 pts/14 reb) as the Bulls win 99-94.
WVU is fraudulent IMO
UB is definitely a hugh quality team though
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WVU is fraudulent IMO
Not surprisingly they really miss Jevon Carter. No one was willing to take over late when they needed someone to.
But the Bulls & Massinburg were good. They could jump into the rankings. They play at a good SIU team Monday, but should be favored in every other game before the week they come here. That includes a trip to St Bonaventure, a decent mid major tourney in Northern Ireland, and a return from SIU. They do play at Syracuse, but no new rankings would come out before the MU game.
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Loyola loses 60-58.
K State looked beatable against Kennasaw St.
Xavier Sneed was out for Kstate. That is about 11-15 points that sat out.
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Emmitt Holt has been a non factor for the Friars the first two games. A lot of the lofty predictions for them were based on him being healthy. Doesn't look like the case. Really too bad, the kid has had kind of a rough ride through hoops. If this is his new norm, Providence looks more like a 5th-7th place team than a 3rd place team in the BEast.....though it seems that Diallo has found his outside shot which makes him one of the most dangerous players in the conference.
Sedee Keita played 4 minutes last night for St. John's and Josh Roberts played 0 minutes. That means that 196/200 of the Red Storm minutes last night were played by players 6'7" or shorter. And only one of those players is 6'7" and another one is 6'6". The rest are all 6'5" or shorter. A lot of their predictions were based on the idea that Keita was going to take a big jump and provide that inside presence. They still have top 3 talent but I'm just not sure about the balance of that roster. Also, discipline. They committed dumb fouls, took early contested shots, and gave the ball away when they should have been trying to run out the clock.
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Emmitt Holt has been a non factor for the Friars the first two games. A lot of the lofty predictions for them were based on him being healthy. Doesn't look like the case. Really too bad, the kid has had kind of a rough ride through hoops. If this is his new norm, Providence looks more like a 5th-7th place team than a 3rd place team in the BEast.....though it seems that Diallo has found his outside shot which makes him one of the most dangerous players in the conference.
Sedee Keita played 4 minutes last night for St. John's and Josh Roberts played 0 minutes. That means that 196/200 of the Red Storm minutes last night were played by players 6'7" or shorter. And only one of those players is 6'7" and another one is 6'6". The rest are all 6'5" or shorter. A lot of their predictions were based on the idea that Keita was going to take a big jump and provide that inside presence. They still have top 3 talent but I'm just not sure about the balance of that roster. Also, discipline. They committed dumb fouls, took early contested shots, and gave the ball away when they should have been trying to run out the clock.
Diallo canned some 3s but his shot still seems pretty poor. Poor rotation and horribly slow release. Very easy to block. Guy also sucked at the line yesterday. Not sure what he shot last year
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Meanwhile....Xavier is falling apart against Evansville. They got so frustrated that Quentin Goodin threw the basketball at one of their opponents' heads after the whistle.
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Xavier got the win versus Evansville. I think it will take them a while to get their team working well together.
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Georgetown beats Central Connecticut. Entertaining game down the stretch.
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Butler a big win over Miami of Ohio to start the season off
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Butler a big win over Miami of Ohio to start the season off
Big win??
Lmfao
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Villanova comfortably beating Quinnipiac in front of a crowd of 10,216 at the Wells Fargo Center.
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Meanwhile....Xavier is falling apart against Evansville. They got so frustrated that Quentin Goodin threw the basketball at one of their opponents' heads after the whistle.
Big East is truly headed for a long season if X is being challenged by Evansville
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Big East is truly headed for a long season if X is being challenged by Evansville
Sleep on the Purple Aces at your peril.
Seriously, good luck in Maui, Xavier.
Remember, it's polite to say "thank you" when you get your ass handed to you.
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Georgetown looked very meh against Central Connecticut....until the last few minutes. All of the sudden both teams were nailing three pointers going back and forth. Eventually, the Blue Devils' shots stopped falling but the Hoyas didn't. Their defense looked solid but their offense was a mess until the end. A lot of throw the ball to Govan and let him work. Akinjo looks like a real gamer, will be an All-Conference player before he graduates. Nice to say Alonzo's kid get the start and play a good game.
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Creighton in a tough match up against East Tennessee State. Creighton is relatively young and has some transfers working their way into the lineup so it may be a while before they gel as a team.
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Emmitt Holt has been a non factor for the Friars the first two games. A lot of the lofty predictions for them were based on him being healthy. Doesn't look like the case. Really too bad, the kid has had kind of a rough ride through hoops. If this is his new norm, Providence looks more like a 5th-7th place team than a 3rd place team in the BEast.....though it seems that Diallo has found his outside shot which makes him one of the most dangerous players in the conference.
Sedee Keita played 4 minutes last night for St. John's and Josh Roberts played 0 minutes. That means that 196/200 of the Red Storm minutes last night were played by players 6'7" or shorter. And only one of those players is 6'7" and another one is 6'6". The rest are all 6'5" or shorter. A lot of their predictions were based on the idea that Keita was going to take a big jump and provide that inside presence. They still have top 3 talent but I'm just not sure about the balance of that roster. Also, discipline. They committed dumb fouls, took early contested shots, and gave the ball away when they should have been trying to run out the clock.
Keita was injured. Here is a research report that details the Johnnies versus Bowling Green.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/11/10/18082458/three-takeaways-st-johns-comes-from-11-down-bowling-green
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Creighton game still very tight. Carlos Curtis just got in the game for ETSU early second half .
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Little brother Froling getting run for Creighton
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Creighton ends the game on a 24-6 in the last 7 minutes to avoid defeat.
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That ETSU team was very solid, would not surprise me if they make the tournament this year. A nice comeback win for Creighton will help build their conference.
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That ETSU team was very solid, would not surprise me if they make the tournament this year. A nice comeback win for Creighton will help build their conference.
Lol.
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Keita was injured. Here is a research report that details the Johnnies versus Bowling Green.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/11/10/18082458/three-takeaways-st-johns-comes-from-11-down-bowling-green
LOL
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Keita was injured. Here is a research report that details the Johnnies versus Bowling Green.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/11/10/18082458/three-takeaways-st-johns-comes-from-11-down-bowling-green
Thanks, didn't realize that. Even so, he only got 10 minutes and was a non-factor in first game as well. Signs seem to point to him not being the answer.
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That ETSU team was very solid, would not surprise me if they make the tournament this year. A nice comeback win for Creighton will help build their conference.
ETSU made the tournament in 2017. Lost in their conference championship last year. They did look solid.
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ETSU made the tournament in 2017. Lost in their conference championship last year. They did look solid.
They have been good, but they lost a lot this offseason. Four starters and their top bench player gone. Still a solid buy game, probably a top 200 KenPom team, but not likely to be what they were the past few seasons.
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Not Big East, but still interesting IMHO ...
Oklahoma State blew a 24-point second-half lead to lose to a UNC Charlotte team that will be lucky to win 10 games this year.
Duke, the team many already are crowning, led Army only by 6 with about 12 mins to go.
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They have been good, but they lost a lot this offseason. Four starters and their top bench player gone. Still a solid buy game, probably a top 200 KenPom team, but not likely to be what they were the past few seasons.
Watched the game, The two JUCO kids ETSU brought in were very good and super athletic. Overall, their team was very talented. As to how they finish this year, I don't have enough information on the rest of their conference.
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Watched the game, The two JUCO kids ETSU brought in were very good and super athletic. Overall, their team was very talented. As to how they finish this year, I don't have enough information on the rest of their conference.
You should write a research report on it.
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Watched the game, The two JUCO kids ETSU brought in were very good and super athletic. Overall, their team was very talented. As to how they finish this year, I don't have enough information on the rest of their conference.
So are you saying they will be a top 100 team in KenPom like they have the past few seasons? Cause if your're not, then it sounds like you agree with me. Solid buy game but not what they have been the past few season.
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So are you saying they will be a top 100 team in KenPom like they have the past few seasons? Cause if your're not, then it sounds like you agree with me. Solid buy game but not what they have been the past few season.
I agree with you, with the provision that Boyd and Rodriguez are very talented;and the fact they were able to build a 12 point lead deep into the second half on the road against a Big East team leads me to think that there may possibly be some upside.
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FYI, thanks to the board for pinning the Big East TV Guide Schedule at the top! Thanks, for everyone who has said and messaged myself who enjoys it!
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I agree with you, with the provision that Boyd and Rodriguez are very talented;and the fact they were able to build a 12 point lead deep into the second half on the road against a Big East team leads me to think that there may possibly be some upside.
They are very talented for the Southern Conference. As for the second bit, I think that's just as much if not more of an indicator of what level Creighton is at this season.
They are a solid buy game. Somewhere between the 100th and 200th best team in the country. It is concerning for the Jays' prospects that they let themselves get into that position. Glad they pulled it together at the end.
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Georgetown looked very meh against Central Connecticut....until the last few minutes. All of the sudden both teams were nailing three pointers going back and forth. Eventually, the Blue Devils' shots stopped falling but the Hoyas didn't. Their defense looked solid but their offense was a mess until the end. A lot of throw the ball to Govan and let him work. Akinjo looks like a real gamer, will be an All-Conference player before he graduates. Nice to say Alonzo's kid get the start and play a good game.
FWIW, they need to drop Central already and go with Conn. State University.
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FWIW, they need to drop Central already and go with Conn. State University.
I think the Western Conn State people may take umbrage with that position.
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Butler racks up a win against Detroit.
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So I watched roughly 2 minutes of the DePaul/Murray State game
1) I am fairly confident that UWM gets more fans than are at this game
2) It appears that DePaul ran some sort of student contest where the winner gets to sit at the end of the bench, in uniform and a kid with bleached hair won. He and the kid next to him are synchronizing cheers of some kind. Not kidding
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So I watched roughly 2 minutes of the DePaul/Murray State game
1) I am fairly confident that UWM gets more fans than are at this game
2) It appears that DePaul ran some sort of student contest where the winner gets to sit at the end of the bench, in uniform and a kid with bleached hair won. He and the kid next to him are synchronizing cheers of some kind. Not kidding
1. Don't give DePaul credit, they're beating Morgan State, not Murray State
2. That's not a contest winner. That's Pantelis Xidas, a walk-on: https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/2/13/16964618/depaul-walk-on-pantelis-xidias-college-basketball-greatest-hype-man
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I didn't see him in uniform last year. Remember him doing all those jumping jacks type acts.
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So I watched roughly 2 minutes of the DePaul/Murray State game
1) I am fairly confident that UWM gets more fans than are at this game
2) It appears that DePaul ran some sort of student contest where the winner gets to sit at the end of the bench, in uniform and a kid with bleached hair won. He and the kid next to him are synchronizing cheers of some kind. Not kidding
It’s Morgan St and yes, the audience is very poor.
The kid at the end of bench was there last game, so must be a walk on. Was dressed the same, goggles and all. Acting like an idiot and sort of embarrassing as far as I am concerned.
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In my defense, has anyone seen Morgan State and Murray State in the same place at the same time?
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In my defense, has anyone seen Morgan State and Murray State in the same place at the same time?
The 2010 NCAA Tournament?
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Wisky favored by 1 to 1.5 at Xavier. Total is 145.
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Looking forward to Xavier stepping up tonight .
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Line has moved to X minus 1
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Xavier needs to pick it up in second half
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Xavier needs to pick it up in second half
I don't think they really have another level they can step up to
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Holy Cross up on Providence on FS2, 28-22
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Holy Cross up on Providence on FS2, 28-22
Cooley better not let us down
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Welage sucking.
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Cooley better not let us down
Last Providence loss, you stated Cooley screwed us.
Now, it’s better not let us down.
Who is “us”?
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I'm trying to have faith. Providence always seems to have clunkers in the non-conference season. But if they lose to Holy Cross....that's really concerning
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Last Providence loss, you stated Cooley screwed us.
Now, it’s better not let us down.
Who is “us”?
The Big East ,which MU is a beneficiary of.
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The Big East ,which MU is a beneficiary of.
Appreciate your passion, but the BE is going to see many non conference losses this year. Too many programs lost too many veteran and very good players. You are seeing that with Xavier tonight, playing a UW team that has their top seven players returning, while Xavier lost Bluiett, Macura, O’Mara, etc. Can’t imagine what Seton Hall is going to be like and MU will have its hands full with their schedule. Nobody is screwing anybody, just going to be tough games to win.
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Cooley and Company get the job done versus Holy Cross.
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Ewing and Associates performing well.
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Very good win for Georgetown tonight. They are going to be tough on the road.
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Illinois isn't very good, but always tough to win on the road. I think Georgetown is a year away but Akinjo, McClung, and LeBlanc are really good. They will be hell to deal with for the next four seasons.
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Illinois isn't very good, but always tough to win on the road. I think Georgetown is a year away but Akinjo, McClung, and LeBlanc are really good. They will be hell to deal with for the next four seasons.
I think "The Big 3" (Nova, Georgetown, and Marquette) are just about there to start take over and carry the league like people expected them to when the conference was formed.
No offense to Butler, X, Creighton etc. They just don't have the staying power and the resources the those 3 plus St. John's have.
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I think "The Big 3" (Nova, Georgetown, and Marquette) are just about there to start take over and carry the league like people expected them too when the conference was formed.
No offense to Butler, X, Creighton etc. They just don't have the staying power and the resources the those 3 plus St. John's have.
St. John's has been crap for close to 20yrs... not sure they have the staying power the other three do.
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I think "The Big 3" (Nova, Georgetown, and Marquette) are just about there to start take over and carry the league like people expected them too when the conference was formed.
No offense to Butler, X, Creighton etc. They just don't have the staying power and the resources the those 3 plus St. John's have.
I'd personally put Xavier above St. John's. SJU has the location and older history, but Xavier actually has a lot better facilities, resources, and have been a lot better in recent years.
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I think "The Big 3" (Nova, Georgetown, and Marquette) are just about there to start take over and carry the league like people expected them to when the conference was formed.
No offense to Butler, X, Creighton etc. They just don't have the staying power and the resources the those 3 plus St. John's have.
X and Butler have built consistent programs . They both have a good pipeline of recruits. Creighton has a lot of resources and are putting them to use very well. The. The benefits of Big East needs these three to maintain their current record of performance for two reasons. First, it makes it much easier for Villanova, Marquette and Georgetown to recruit elite players when there are 3 other consistently strong programs in the conference, second it creates a circumstance where Providence, Seton Hall and The Johnnies have to stay strong in order to be in the top half of the conference in any given year.
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X and Butler have built consistent programs . They both have a good pipeline of recruits. Creighton has a lot of resources and are putting them to use very well. The. The benefits of Big East needs these three to maintain their current record of performance for two reasons. First, it makes it much easier for Villanova, Marquette and Georgetown to recruit elite players when there are 3 other consistently strong programs in the conference, second it creates a circumstance where Providence, Seton Hall and The Johnnies have to stay strong in order to be in the top half of the conference in any given year.
No DePaul love?
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No DePaul love?
Nice oxymoron.
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I think "The Big 3" (Nova, Georgetown, and Marquette) are just about there to start take over and carry the league like people expected them to when the conference was formed.
No offense to Butler, X, Creighton etc. They just don't have the staying power and the resources the those 3 plus St. John's have.
Have to disagree as to Xavier. Their track record, even prior to the Big East, has been really good. Their prior conference wasn't great, but they proved they belonged if you look at NCAA tourney success over the years. Going back to 2000:
Year/knocked out
2001 1st Rd
2002 2nd Round
2003 2nd Round
2004 Elite Eight
2006 1st Round
2007 2nd Round
2008 Elite Eight
2009 Sweet Sixteen
2010 Sweet Sixteen
2011 2nd Round
2012 Sweet Sixteen
2014 First Four
2015 Sweet Sixteen
2016 2nd Round
2017 Elite Eight
2018 2nd Round
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Agreed. X is a legit program.
Still can't believe Mack hightailed, I thought he may be lifer, but they'll be just fine.
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SO the BE has two losses...ProvvsWichitaSt, XvsUW
also some not so stellar wins.
Anyone else concerned about our Creds? I feel like every year we have to prove it. Even with Nova success.
Tonight and next few nights are big!...cross conference games.
This weekend we''ll be revisiting this issue methinks. I hope from a positive perspective.
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Agreed. X is a legit program.
Still can't believe Mack hightailed, I thought he may be lifer, but they'll be just fine.
Perhaps Mack thought there could be future backlash after the NCAA court cases are over (not that it smells like roses in Louisville).
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No DePaul love?
It stays Sleeping Giant under any scenario....
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Villanova not looking good so far. They’re good but it’s clear they won’t be the same team they’ve been the last few years. Surprised to see how much Colin Gillespie has developed and he starts over 5 star Quinerly at point guard. Booth and Paschall look to have taken a step up too and the team is good but just doesn’t look as good as past years.
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Game is getting ugly fast. Villanova down 21 shooting 22%. 4 minutes left in the first half
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It was obvious Villanova was vastly overrated coming into the season and were just preseason top 10 based on reputation. MU has as good of a chance as any to finish #1 in the big east this year. Down year.
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The Big East is Weak
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Villanova let the Big East Down
Seton Hall let the Big East Down
Marquette let the Big East Down
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It was obvious Villanova was vastly overrated coming into the season and were just preseason top 10 based on reputation. MU has as good of a chance as any to finish #1 in the big east this year. Down year.
Ya probably will be. A good stretch though. BE will retool and come back. I like a lot of the conference freshmen.
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Villanova let the Big East Down Lost by 27
Seton Hall let the Big East Down Lost by 23
Marquette let the Big East Down Lost by 23
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St. John's rolls Rutgers
Georgetown will lose to Loyola Marymount
Butler up on Ole Miss at half
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St. John's rolls Rutgers
Georgetown will lose to Loyola Marymount
Butler up on Ole Miss at half
Butler won. Good work by the Johnnies.
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South Carolina up at the half versus Cooley & Co. Providence needs to get going in the second half.
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Strong 2nd half by Providence! 76-67.
PC will play #18 Michigan on Sunday.
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Strong 2nd half by Providence! 76-67.
PC will play #18 Michigan on Sunday.
Cooley with the excellent second half coaching adjustments . Looking forward to tomorrows game.
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Furman opens the second half on a 7-0 run and lead Villanova 38-36. Looking to knock off their second Final Four team in just over a week after beating Loyola Chicago on the road 8 days ago.
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Undefeated Furman. Game on FS2
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Furman not going away as easily as Presbyterian did. Tied at 51 at the under-8 timeout.
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Furman not going away as easily as Presbyterian did. Tied at 51 at the under-8 timeout.
That's because MU is better than Villanova!
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That's because MU is better than Villanova!
I mean, that could very well be true.
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1-and-1 to likely decide the game, otherwise going to overtime. Furman at the line, tie game.
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Nova and Furman headed to overtime tied at 60.
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The Big East is there for the taking this year. This Nova team is very meh.
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Wow Furman. Do they play Kansas or Michigan any time soon? Final Four teams, beware the Paladins.
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Kudos to Furman, they’ve played this OT brilliantly.
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I hope Furman is ranked on Monday. 5-0 with two wins over Final Four teams.
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Looks like Big South has some decent teams this year.
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I wouldn’t want to play Furman come March. That’s an intelligent team that is good.
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So, does Nova fall from 8 to out of the top-25? Wow.
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Always loved Furman. The Paladin was my favorite D&D character.
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I am not pleased that Villanova lost. However, games like this are what makes college basketball great. Furman comes in and beats Villanova on their home court. Great stuff in the bigger picture of things.
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So, does Nova fall from 8 to out of the top-25? Wow.
Yes.
Is it possible they are only 4 or 5 in BE? Nah
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Nova lost all those players and recruited a top 25, five star point guard, who didn’t play a minute against Furman. Interesting.
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Clearly a rebuilding year for Villanova. I wonder how Villanova scoop is doing today.
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Yes.
Is it possible they are only 4 or 5 in BE? Nah
Jay Wright had never lost so much from a team in the NBE era. Had DiVincenzo and Spellman stuck around it'd be different, but I could see this being a down year in general for them. If the tourney started today, they would be out. Hard to see them not taking 4-5 non-conference losses with the Big Five, Orlando, and at Kansas still on the schedule.
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Furman beat Loyola Chicago last week.
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Is the Big East a single bid league?
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Is the Big East a single bid league?
It's not even Thanksgiving. So, I would say no.
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SLU pulling away from The Hall.
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SLU pulling away from The Hall.
SLU has a good team this year. If they had a little more outside shooting they’d be even better. A-10 favorites. Some good young players mixed with older transfers.
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Furman is a sneaky good low major. Top 150 type team, possibly back end of the top 100. But still WOW. What an upset.
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The Hall led by Quincy McKnight rallying back to make it a close game . Fun game to watch.
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The Hall led by Quincy McKnight rallying back to make it a close game . Fun game to watch.
Got a little nervous after McKnight's first two games eh? JC isn't the only PG transfer from a lower conference that got a lid lifter today.
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St Louis won 66-64 . The Hall missed a 3 pointer at buzzer.
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Had an open look for the Hall to steal one.
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Had an open look for the Hall to steal one.
As much as I don't want to say it, I think the better team won. If you get a +15 turnover margin, and can't pull out a W, you got some offensive problems to work out.
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Clearly a rebuilding year for Villanova. I wonder how Villanova scoop is doing today.
Maybe the Piccolo Player has a tear in her eye.
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Is the Big East a single bid league?
Probably not, but it's not inconceivable. Which two (or more) squads look like tournament teams so far?
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So, does Nova fall from 8 to out of the top-25? Wow.
Is this a serious question? Anyone who gives them a vote should lose theirs.
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Always loved Furman. The Paladin was my favorite D&D character.
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Probably not, but it's not inconceivable. Which two (or more) squads look like tournament teams so far?
I agree, I don’t think that necessarily had to be in teal. It’s unlikely, but the BE could shake out to be bad this year. The bottom probably not as bad, but the middle and top are not strong.
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Probably not, but it's not inconceivable. Which two (or more) squads look like tournament teams so far?
If you want two: Providence and St. John’s.
But, tourney bids are handed out in March, not now. By then, those two plus Nova, MU and X will be in. Butler and Creighton on the bubble.
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If you want two: Providence and St. John’s.
But, tourney bids are handed out in March, not now. By then, those two plus Nova, MU and X will be in. Butler and Creighton on the bubble.
5 in and 2 on the bubble in this year's Big East? Put down the crack pipe, brother Hoyle.
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I agree, I don’t think that necessarily had to be in teal. It’s unlikely, but the BE could shake out to be bad this year. The bottom probably not as bad, but the middle and top are not strong.
I debated...but it's November
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Richard Boone was flat out awesome.
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Richard Boone was flat out awesome.
Also, Wagon Train is a great show, but did you ever notice they never get anywhere? They just keep wagon training...
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Probably not, but it's not inconceivable. Which two (or more) squads look like tournament teams so far?
Depends on what Indiana is. Butler definitely. Marquette, St John's, Providence probably. Come March I could see a couple more on the bubble. Wright's track record might help Villanova figure it out. Georgetown and Xavier are complete mysteries that look more like NIT teams so far.
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Probably not, but it's not inconceivable. Which two (or more) squads look like tournament teams so far?
St. John's, Providence, Butler all look pretty good so far. Way too early to know anything. Games in November and December, don't tell the story for Feb or March. Same is true for rankings right now as they really don't mean much.
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5 in and 2 on the bubble in this year's Big East? Put down the crack pipe, brother Hoyle.
I could see 5 in, but mostly lower seeds. This is a rebuilding year for the conference which everyone knew to be the case.
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Always loved Furman. The Paladin was my favorite D&D character.
I figured you for a druid or a ranger. 20 sided die
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Cooley & Co. have a big game today against Michigan. Cooley says the Big East is young this year.
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20181117/friars-journal-alpha-diallo-keeps-sparking-friars
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Georgetown up on USF 28-26 at the half. The Hoyas look far more talented, but their young guards are still pretty mistake prone. The last possession for GT was a microcosm of their first half. Akinjo drives inside, draws the defense, and sees a wide-open shooter in the corner. He rifles a pass out of bounds not even close to the target. Charges, travels, and tons of unforced errors. You can see the talent Akinjo and MacClung have, but I expect Georgetown to be very up and down this year.
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17-2 run has USF up double digits on Georgetown. GT continuing to beat themselves with turnovers.
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Hoyas pulled the freshmen and ran the offense through Govan to rally back. Akinjo came back in and ended up hitting a game-tying 3 with a few seconds to go, then USF had a basket waved off at the buzzer. USF & Georgetown in overtime.
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Akinjo is 17 years old. Just sayin'
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Georgetown going to escape with the win. Akinjo much better after getting yanked, but Govan was the man.
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Michigan goes on an 11-0 run at end of half to lead Cooley& Co. by 13
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Georgetown going to escape with the win. Akinjo much better after getting yanked, but Govan was the man.
Don't let Ners read this or he will start talking about Ewing being a bad coach in every thread.
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Michigan blasts Providence. Established a comfortable double-digit lead at halftime and just kept pushing it slowly further and further out of reach. Their defense is really something.
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Georgetown going to escape with the win. Akinjo much better after getting yanked, but Govan was the man.
Nice to see Ewing & Associates bringing home a win.
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Not a Big East score but South Carolina and GW are playing in the consolation game in the same tournament with PC.
Current score:
South Carolina 49
George Washington 8
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Somewhat related:
I4 and Arkansas in a battle with 8 to play, 1 point game.
Gafford 2 NBA, aina?
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Somewhat related:
I4 and Arkansas in a battle with 8 to play, 1 point game.
Gafford 2 NBA, aina?
This is a fun game to watch. Langford is a monster as is the big guy for the Razorbacks
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I4 goes down on the road thanks to a super questionable foul
call with 2.5 and the game tied.
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Not a Big East score but South Carolina and GW are playing in the consolation game in the same tournament with PC.
Current score:
South Carolina 49
George Washington 8
GW in all kinds of hurt and a former Marquette administrator was their AD and involved in some shady stuff at GW. Resigned middle of last season after he fired the coach.
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I4 goes down on the road thanks to a super questionable foul call with 2.5 and the game tied.
That was a really surprising foul. I'm surprised by how many late, game-deciding questionable fouls we've seen refs call in the first couple weeks of the season. IU played tough to battle back and took the lead a few times after being down double-digits in the second half. Shows how tough it is to win on the road.
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Watched the Indiana/Arkansas game. Indiana was really hurt by Juwan Morgan picking up two early fouls. Think he played two minutes in the first half. They also had no answer for Gafford at all. Gafford was scoring at will, at one point they showed a graphic that he was shooting 9/10 in the second half and the rest of Arkansas was 4/20. I don't think Archie sent a double to Gafford once, Scoop would have lost its mind.
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I4 goes down on the road thanks to a super questionable foul
call with 2.5 and the game tied.
How did Indiana miss that no footer to win the game? Wow. That will sting them for awhile.
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How did Indiana miss that no footer to win the game? Wow. That will sting them for awhile.
Yep. Two good shots to win it and couldn't get it done.
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X hanging with a good Auburn team over in Maui. Down 5 at half. They'll have a shot if they can get anything from Goodin. Currently 0-8 from the field.
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X hanging with a good Auburn team over in Maui. Down 5 at half. They'll have a shot if they can get anything from Goodin. Currently 0-8 from the field.
Goodin really sloppy in the 2nd half. Lots of terrible passes.
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Xavier in overtime with Auburn.
It's almost like college basketball teams are sometimes inconsistent in November. Crazy.
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Xavier in overtime with Auburn.
It's almost like college basketball teams are sometimes inconsistent in November. Crazy.
Auburn themselves were inconsistent and mostly terrible down the stretch.
Clamped down hard in OT
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X is a very physical team.
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Goodin with a very "bad Markus-ish" game. Scored 13, but shot 3-19 from the field including 1-7 from 3, to go along with 7 TOs. X needs good Quentin, the same way we need good Markus.
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Auburn themselves were inconsistent and mostly terrible down the stretch.
Clamped down hard in OT
Right. Good teams will struggle with low majors (see Clemson today, Kansas earlier this week, Nova, etc. etc. etc.). Bad teams will play great and catch a better team on an off night. Etc. There are very few teams that play consistently great or consistently bad throughout an entire season, and especially in November and December.
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X shows they can compete
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X shows they can compete
Must fix the turnovers.
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Must fix the turnovers.
Meh. They're fine. That's what Auburn does to you.
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Creighton comfortably ahead of Boise State. Up 18 with 6 min left. The Johnnies are up by one with 2:33 left
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Johnnies beat Cal. Ponds is fun to watch.
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St. John's comes from behind to pull out a win. They are unbeaten, but have really struggled with some mediocre teams so far. Good chance to go to 5-0 tomorrow against Temple or VCU, who also don't look very good.
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St. John's comes from behind to pull out a win. They are unbeaten, but have really struggled with some mediocre teams so far. Good chance to go to 5-0 tomorrow against Temple or VCU, who also don't look very good.
At this point we want them to win as many as possible
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At this point we want them to win as many as possible
Yeah, I'm cheering for all Big East teams at this point. But so far, the only Big East team that really looks convincing is Butler, albeit against marginal competition. The league really is wide open. Just pointing out that St. John's in their own backyard really struggled with what looks like a pretty bad California team and needed Shamorie Ponds to go God Mode to escape with a win.
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Yeah, I'm cheering for all Big East teams at this point. But so far, the only Big East team that really looks convincing is Butler, albeit against marginal competition. The league really is wide open. Just pointing out that St. John's in their own backyard really struggled with what looks like a pretty bad California team and needed Shamorie Ponds to go God Mode to escape with a win.
So you are finally coming around to give Kamar a little love.
My goal is to always get as many Big East Team with 10 wins going into conference. DePaul is only playing 11 games non con, but they have a shot at going 9-2.
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Kamar was terrible during non-con last year. He had only a single game over 100 Adjusted ORtg against a team in the kenpom top-100, which was #95 Furman. He played very well during conference play and based on that was deservingly first-team all Big East this preseason.
Doesn't take away that he was freaking awful for two months last year, only that he turned that around.
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Kamar was terrible during non-con last year. He had only a single game over 100 Adjusted ORtg against a team in the kenpom top-100, which was #95 Furman. He played very well during conference play and based on that was deservingly first-team all Big East this preseason.
Doesn't take away that he was freaking awful for two months last year, only that he turned that around.
Well lets hope he stays strong, of course until he plays us.
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excuse me...interrupting the Cain/Brew thread...
just wanted to note the upside down nature of the Big East Standings on the left of the Scoop page...I know its not meaningful this early...but the optics of it catch my eye...V,X,SH at the bottom and DP,SJ,GT at the top!.
I am concerned though for the BE reputation. Don't want us to lose our "place" amongst the power conferences. A couple of down years for a BBall only conference could get us that less-than-major moniker (unfair as it might be). Nova's past keeps that a bay...but how many years does that last?
I know each year collectively has its own SOS...but in general:
BE Non-Conference Record:
17-18: 112-32 78%
16-17: 107-38 74%
15-16: 105-39 73%
14-15: 104-40 72%
18-19 Current: 28-11 72% - so sort of ok....we'll see.
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excuse me...interrupting the Cain/Brew thread...
just wanted to note the upside down nature of the Big East Standings on the left of the Scoop page...I know its not meaningful this early...but the optics of it catch my eye...V,X,SH at the bottom and DP,SJ,GT at the top!.
I am concerned though for the BE reputation. Don't want us to lose our "place" amongst the power conferences. A couple of down years for a BBall only conference could get us that less-than-major moniker (unfair as it might be). Nova's past keeps that a bay...but how many years does that last?
I know each year collectively has its own SOS...but in general:
BE Non-Conference Record:
17-18: 112-32 78%
16-17: 107-38 74%
15-16: 105-39 73%
14-15: 104-40 72%
18-19 Current: 28-11 72% - so sort of ok....we'll see.
The Big East is still at worst the 5th best conference in a down year. They've easily been the 2nd or 3rd best over the past half decade since the re-org.
I am far from worried long term, but this may be a year where the league gets 4-5 bids instead of 6-7.
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excuse me...interrupting the Cain/Brew thread...
just wanted to note the upside down nature of the Big East Standings on the left of the Scoop page...I know its not meaningful this early...but the optics of it catch my eye...V,X,SH at the bottom and DP,SJ,GT at the top!.
I am concerned though for the BE reputation. Don't want us to lose our "place" amongst the power conferences. A couple of down years for a BBall only conference could get us that less-than-major moniker (unfair as it might be). Nova's past keeps that a bay...but how many years does that last?
I know each year collectively has its own SOS...but in general:
BE Non-Conference Record:
17-18: 112-32 78%
16-17: 107-38 74%
15-16: 105-39 73%
14-15: 104-40 72%
18-19 Current: 28-11 72% - so sort of ok....we'll see.
The Big East has benefited in recent years from the solid non conference performance from Butler and Xavier against top level opponents and to a lesser extent Creighton and Providence. Lets see how many teams can get to double digit wins by the start of conference play. That optic is always good, and then if the league is truly bunched up there will end up being quite a few 20 win teams in conference which should bode well.
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So 18-19 is currently within 2% of 3 of the last 4 years?, and only trailing the best yr in the history of the new big east conference by 6%, so ur worried?
Relax francis. As was stated even in its worst year the BE is a top 6 conference and will receives all the accolades and advantages that go with that.
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The BE has benefited from Butler and Creighton defying the odds much longer than I expected. I do not have high hopes for them to continue at the level they have since new BE was formed. BE needs MU, SJU, GU and DePaul to step up their games. If not, BE will struggle moving forward. Honestly, it has held up much better than I expected.
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Why do you believe that DePaul is going to step up instead of Butler? Butler has been better than DePaul consistently for the past 20 years.
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Sultan
I question if DePaul will step it up and take it to the next level. Butler has completely shocked me over the past 3-4 years at the level they remained at post BS. I do not think they have the staying power to remain at that level, or even close to that level.
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Butler's been a consistent NCAA tournament team since the late 90s. I'm not sure they are going to get to back to back Final Fours, but there's no real reason that they can't continue with regular births with occasional deep runs.
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Sultan
Once programs like Butler and Creighton miss for a couple of years, it gets very difficult to get back. Look at MU over past six years. I would not bet on either of them being top 50 programs year in and year out.
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Sultan
Once programs like Butler and Creighton miss for a couple of years, it gets very difficult to get back. Look at MU over past six years. I would not bet on either of them being top 50 programs year in and year out.
And that logic does/does not apply to every other Big East program? If not, which ones are exempt?
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Sultan
Once programs like Butler and Creighton miss for a couple of years, it gets very difficult to get back. Look at MU over past six years. I would not bet on either of them being top 50 programs year in and year out.
They why are you assuming programs like DePaul and St. Johns can?
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Didn't Nova have a few lean years in the early 2010s pre NBE?
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Old Gym
IMO, it probably does apply to every program, with exception of 'Nova. The BE has benefited from a white hot 'Nova program and a nice collection of top 30 teams. The top 30 teams have done a helluva of job maintaining for longer than I expected them to hang around. Sadly, GU, MU or STJ have not improved quickly enough to fill in for the Butler's and Creighton's.
Sultan
Not assuming anything about DePaul or St. John's. It was more hoping that they would rise up.
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I guess my thought is that it is much more likely...and I mean MUCH more likely...that Butler is going to perform where it has been rather than DePaul stepping up.
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The BE has benefited from Butler and Creighton defying the odds much longer than I expected. I do not have high hopes for them to continue at the level they have since new BE was formed. BE needs MU, SJU, GU and DePaul to step up their games. If not, BE will struggle moving forward. Honestly, it has held up much better than I expected.
Butler made it to the tournament last year and won a game. They have recruited some very solid players and are a prime destination for transfers of all types. They have a structure to their program that has been in place for many years regardless of coach . I see nothing but a bright future for that program.
Creighton has consistently demonstrated that they can recruit at the Big East level. They also have a solid pipeline of recruits and are also a prime destination for transfers. They sell out 17,000 seats and have very deep financial sponsorship. They also have a bright future.
Yes I agree that MU , the Johnnies and Georgetown need to step it up. Ewing appears to be a very promising coach and is showing he can recruit. His team is a lot of fun to watch this year and that counts for something. Mullin has put together an interesting team this year as well and I think they can make a few headlines along the way. If both these guys have a solid year at the same time they will get a lot of headlines in the tabloid papers in NY which is very good for the conference.
All DePaul has to do is move from awful to mediocre and that helps every one else in the conference. It looks like they have a good chance at making that leap. Just signed a very promising recruiting class and this years team has a chance to win 9 games in non conference and possibly up to 6 in conference.
Big East is a league driven by strong upperclassmen. A good number of players have departed however, the depth of the talent in the league is such that by end of season we will likely see quite a few teams hitting their stride as has been the case in years past.
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Herman
I always laugh when people say that Butler has a program in place, regardless of coach, to continue at high level. If that is the case, how frickin stupid are the BOT, AD and others at MU? Butler has system in place that can withstand numerous coaching changes and MU falls off the planet for five years. I think you are kidding yourself that programs can withstand numerous coaching changes and maintain at high level.
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Herman
I always laugh when people say that Butler has a program in place, regardless of coach, to continue at high level. If that is the case, how frickin stupid are the BOT, AD and others at MU? Butler has system in place that can withstand numerous coaching changes and MU falls off the planet for five years. I think you are kidding yourself that programs can withstand numerous coaching changes and maintain at high level.
I'm not sure why you are laughing. Butler and Xavier have been great at building a program, and promoting from within and/or hiring people back who have been part of that program. It's exactly what Marquette should be doing.
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Sultan
IMO, there has been some luck involved with both Butler and X. I simply do not believe that those two programs have outsmarted a slew of programs that have also seen coaching changes. Again, I believe the luck turns sooner or later.
All that said, if they do have the formula to withstand coaching changes, MU should have hired away the brass the put their formula together. It would have been well spent money.
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IMO, there has been some luck involved with both Butler and X. I simply do not believe that those two programs have outsmarted a slew of programs that have also seen coaching changes. Again, I believe the luck turns sooner or later.
When you see two programs, who have both sustained 20+ years of winning basketball, through multiple coaches, while largely using the same formula, it can in no way be attributed to luck.
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I am of the opinion that a school being willing to commit the resources to a basketball program is the biggest indicator of future success. Creighton and X have made that investment. I'm not sure that Butler has. I do trust Butler a lot more than DePaul and Seton Hall.
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Sultan
Then MU has failed big time. If those two donkey's can do it, MU should have figured out that formula first. Ton of money wasted at MU to have Butler and X outsmart them
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Sultan
Then MU has failed big time. If those two donkey's can do it, MU should have figured out that formula first. Ton of money wasted at MU to have Butler and X outsmart them
Yeah I have made the case before that Marquette had jumped horses midstream on too many occasions. I want Marquette to build a self-sustaining program from within.
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Sultan
No offense, that is only part of the formula.
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Sultan
No offense, that is only part of the formula.
I never said it was the entire formula.
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Herman
I always laugh when people say that Butler has a program in place, regardless of coach, to continue at high level. If that is the case, how frickin stupid are the BOT, AD and others at MU? Butler has system in place that can withstand numerous coaching changes and MU falls off the planet for five years. I think you are kidding yourself that programs can withstand numerous coaching changes and maintain at high level.
Butler has. Their AD has a very good focus. They hire guys who are part of their history and culture . Xavier has done the same thing. If executed properly this approach will work as evidenced by both of those programs.
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Xavier has lost it's big lead. Now, trail by 9. :(
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This Xavier collapse is breathtaking........still time to win the game but wow.
Basketball is a funny game.......everything going your way and all of the sudden you can't do anything and a huge lead is gone and you're in trouble.
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I know each year collectively has its own SOS...but in general:
BE Non-Conference Record:
17-18: 112-32 78%
16-17: 107-38 74%
15-16: 105-39 73%
14-15: 104-40 72%
18-19 Current: 28-11 72% - so sort of ok....we'll see.
I think the worry is that we usually start like gangbusters and then it drops from the 90s into the 70s when teams hit non-con tournaments and the meat of their schedule. This year we've already seen losses to teams like Furman, Loyola Marymount, St Louis, and a down Wichita State before Thanksgiving. Not only that, but after losing the Gavitt Games, we have little quality among wins.
DePaul has the league's only top-50 win against #35 Penn State. We are 4-9 vs top-100 opponents. There's little quality among the wins, and too much quantity of questionable losses. The odds are the current winning percentage will drop.
If the league doesn't turn it around, we may only see 2-3 bids this season. There just won't be the same opportunity for quality wins in league play that we've seen in past seasons without a collective turn-around.
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I think the worry is that we usually start like gangbusters and then it drops from the 90s into the 70s when teams hit non-con tournaments and the meat of their schedule. This year we've already seen losses to teams like Furman, Loyola Marymount, St Louis, and a down Wichita State before Thanksgiving. Not only that, but after losing the Gavitt Games, we have little quality among wins.
DePaul has the league's only top-50 win against #35 Penn State. We are 4-9 vs top-100 opponents. There's little quality among the wins, and too much quantity of questionable losses. The odds are the current winning percentage will drop.
If the league doesn't turn it around, we may only see 2-3 bids this season. There just won't be the same opportunity for quality wins in league play that we've seen in past seasons without a collective turn-around.
I think 2-3 teams is crazy. It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.
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I think 2-3 teams is crazy. It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.
I agree with Brew......if you don't have multiple teams that do very well in non conference it's very hard to get 4 or 5 bids in a 10 team league. Last year teams could get big wins by beating Xavier or Nova ......won't be any of those opportunities this season.
Obviously it depends on how everything plays out.....teams get bids not conferences.....but I could see a worst case scenario being 2 or 3 teams.
Need to start winning some quality games soon......and stop the bad losses ....
Still time to do it obviously but nobody has been impressive so far.......
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I think 2-3 teams is crazy. It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.
Not if the league has parity like it looks. We have no one ranked. If the entire league is in the 30-90 range of the NET, a 13-5 league champ could be a 5-6 seed and even 11-7 in league may not be enough depending on a team's overall resume. That reduces the opportunities for Q1 wins.
That's why non-con is so important. If the league isn't strong in November and December, the games in January and February have a lot less value for teams chasing at-large bids.
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That's why non-con is so important. If the league isn't strong in November and December, the games in January and February have a lot less value for teams chasing at-large bids.
Yup. Thought I was being a negativo in the other thread when I predicted 3 bids. Unless the BE starts winning that number is going to be spot on.
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St John's escapes VCU in overtime 87-86. Absolute escape because the refs missed a very obvious foul on a potential game-winning shot at the buzzer for VCU. Good for the league. St John's will likely be ranked soon, if only because their schedule is very favorable from now until BE play.
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Ponds comes through in the clutch for The Johnnies versus VCU. Big East needed that.
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Creighton handily beats Georgia State will play Clemson in the final.
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St John's escapes VCU in overtime 87-86. Absolute escape because the refs missed a very obvious foul on a potential game-winning shot at the buzzer for VCU. Good for the league. St John's will likely be ranked soon, if only because their schedule is very favorable from now until BE play.
Nice win, but that was a foul.
St. John’s is beatable, no bench and height. Starters were exhausted and major foul problems. VCU was predicted for bottom half of A10, but still good/ lucky victory.
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I think 2-3 teams is crazy. It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.
I think a couple of high seeds is way crazier than 2-3 teams at this (admittedly early) point.
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I think a couple of high seeds is way crazier than 2-3 teams at this (admittedly early) point.
Agreed. If one team runs away with the league (16-18 wins) and has no more than 5-6 losses come Selection Sunday we might get one high seed, but I think multiple seems unlikely.
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Instead of using every Nova loss to try and prop Wojo up, we should be thanking our lucky stars that Jay Wright isn’t coaching in the NBA right now. Chris Mack leaving Xavier was a huge blow to the conference, worse than when Brad Stevens left Butler the summer before the NBE’s inaugural season. Stevens was always going to leave for greener pastures, but Mack was coaching at his alma mater and had his program absolutely rolling. It’d be like if MU finally gave Wardle the head coaching job and he used us as a stepping stone.
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I think a couple of high seeds is way crazier than 2-3 teams at this (admittedly early) point.
I think he meant high literally, like double digit. Not close to 1.
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Wins in BE are like pulling teeth these days...or maybe I'm on edge about it.
BE can survive worst case (2 tourney teams?) for a year or two...but after that, trouble.
I'm not predicting it, I just see it as a real possibility. As mentioned: bad non-conf->lower quality->fewer seeds
This next week could be a real plus for the BE and MU if we get a few.
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It is possible for the Johnnies to go into conference play with a 12-0 record. Georgetown may be able to go 11-2. So that should be a couple of 20 win teams by the end of the season. The rest of the conference is going to have to step up their performance as those teams still have some tough teams left to play.
It is a little early to be looking at RPI, but as of now The Big East is still rated as the third best conference with the second best strength of schedule.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
So lets not throw in the towel on the league quite yet . If MU performs well that will help the league tremendously.
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It is possible for the Johnnies to go into conference play with a 12-0 record. Georgetown may be able to go 11-2. So that should be a couple of 20 win teams by the end of the season. The rest of the conference is going to have to step up their performance as those teams still have some tough teams left to play.
It is a little early to be looking at RPI, but as of now The Big East is still rated as the third best conference with the second best strength of schedule.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
So lets not throw in the towel on the league quite yet . If MU performs well that will help the league tremendously.
Pretty sure any time this season will be too early to look at the RPI...
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Ponds comes through in the clutch for The Johnnies versus VCU. Big East needed that.
Ponds = Isaiah Thomas (UDub Thomas, that is). Special player who can take over a game despite a lack of height.
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It is possible for the Johnnies to go into conference play with a 12-0 record. Georgetown may be able to go 11-2. So that should be a couple of 20 win teams by the end of the season. The rest of the conference is going to have to step up their performance as those teams still have some tough teams left to play.
It is a little early to be looking at RPI, but as of now The Big East is still rated as the third best conference with the second best strength of schedule.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
So lets not throw in the towel on the league quite yet . If MU performs well that will help the league tremendously.
20 wins no matta
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Creighton up 10 at Halftime over Clemson.
Butler down by eleven to Dayton 11 minutes left.
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Dayton beat Butler
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Creighton beats number 16 Clemson 87-82. Big East needed that one.
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Creighton beats number 16 Clemson 87-82. Big East needed that one.
Yes it did.
Butler getting beat by Number 91 Dayton, not so good. Highly likely the Big East won't have any teams in Pomeroy Top 25 this season.
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Xavier beat Illinois. Nice for them to get one for the Big East out in Maui.
Villanova needs to step up and win the Advocare tournament
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Nova up 14 over Canisius 4 minutes left.
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Nova won big
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The Hall beats Grand Canyon , Miles Powell with 40 and Quincy McKnight with another solid game.
Butler routing Middle Tennessee
So 3 wins for the Big East on Thanksgiving
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Powell with 40pts.
Crazy the crowd following Grand Canyon has. Even has a student section in Fullerton.
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Nova back in business over Ok State.
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Nova back in business over Ok State.
Good solid win for Nova.
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Shot a stupid amount of 3s. Basically quit running offense. Good thing the kept playing defense.
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Glad Nova won. But OK State is likely going to be garbage this season
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Butler battling Florida in a close game. Currently they are up by 1 with 13:33 left.
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Butler battling Florida in a close game. Currently they are up by 1 with 13:33 left.
Butler wins by 6. That is a quality win for the conference.
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Butler wins by 6. That is a quality win for the conference.
Love it when the Florida faithful are complaining.
https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1066193639947284482
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With Oklahoma State, Florida, Louisville, and even Hawaii as the opponents last night never expected a 4-0 for the BE.
Nice that Marquette contributed as well. Need a few more nights like that going forward for BE and we will be able to get 4+ bids in the NCAA.
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With Oklahoma State, Florida, Louisville, and even Hawaii as the opponents last night never expected a 4-0 for the BE.
Nice that Marquette contributed as well. Need a few more nights like that going forward for BE and we will be able to get 4+ bids in the NCAA.
Seton Hall win was helpful to the cause. Would be nice if DePaul can keep hanging in against Notre Dame. They are down 2 with 5 minutes left first half
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Georgetown won
DePaul Lost
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Couple big games today. Villanova versus FSU and The Hall versus The U.
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Villanova up 1 at half versus Florida State. FSU has serious pogo sticks.
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Villanova up 46-44 against undefeated #14 FSU at the under 8 timeout. Big for the conference if Villanova pulls this one out.
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Villanova with an nice weekend in Orlando!
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Villanova holds on to beat undefeated #14 Florida State 66-60. Big win for them after their early season struggles.
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Excellent win today for Nova over a tough FSU squad. Collin Gillespie looked very solid at point guard. They ground out the victory , as they did not make many threes.
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It’s like teams are inconsistent in November. Who would’ve ever thought that?
Nova will be just fine.
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It’s likd teams are inconsistent in November. Who would’ve ever thought that?
Nova will be just fine.
:D
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It’s like teams are inconsistent in November. Who would’ve ever thought that?
Nova will be just fine.
Agree that inconsistency in November is fine, and that Nova has a lot of new guys to acclimate, but I’m not so sure that they’ll be fine. I guess it depends on what “fine” is.
Only went 8 men deep, with no contributions from the bench (4 points). With the talent they had last year, they could get away with that- not this year. They’ll still be good, and I think they finish top 3 in conference and top 25 overall. But they are not a top 10 team.
And Quinerly is in Wright’s doghouse- has not demonstrated any buy-in to Nova’s culture. He has had several DNP coach’s decisions, including today.
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Wades
No one was very concerned over ‘nova. In addition, they get about 15-20 games before they could be written off. MU had, and has a chance, to make early season statement after being irrelevant on the national scene for a half decade. Your hype for the season had many expecting an exciting November. Your enthusiasm was not matched by play on the court in November.
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Wades
No one was very concerned over ‘nova. In addition, they get about 15-20 games before they could be written off. MU had, and has a chance, to make early season statement after being irrelevant on the national scene for a half decade. Your hype for the season had many expecting an exciting November. Your enthusiasm was not matched by play on the court in November.
Goose you’re right. No one on MUscoop was concerned over novas loss to furman.
NO MU FANS were concerned.
Go over to a nova message board and I would guess you’d find a different sentiment.
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Agree that inconsistency in November is fine, and that Nova has a lot of new guys to acclimate, but I’m not so sure that they’ll be fine. I guess it depends on what “fine” is.
Only went 8 men deep, with no contributions from the bench (4 points). With the talent they had last year, they could get away with that- not this year. They’ll still be good, and I think they finish top 3 in conference and top 25 overall. But they are not a top 10 team.
And Quinerly is in Wright’s doghouse- has not demonstrated any buy-in to Nova’s culture. He has had several DNP coach’s decisions, including today.
So, sitting a 5 star guard who does not live up to the culture the coach is trying to create. Sure, Wright has equity. But this is what coaches do.
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fjm
My guess is ‘nova boards is probably filled with young fans as well. I am sure some were concerned on Scoop, but anyone that follows the sport knew otherwise.
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Wades
No one was very concerned over ‘nova. In addition, they get about 15-20 games before they could be written off. MU had, and has a chance, to make early season statement after being irrelevant on the national scene for a half decade. Your hype for the season had many expecting an exciting November. Your enthusiasm was not matched by play on the court in November.
Not sure what you’re talking about. My hype for the season had many expecting an exciting November? They were misreading what I was posting then. Both my season game by game predictions and my game prediction contest predictions had us sitting at 4-2 at this point with losses at IU and to Kansas. So if people were excited about the season because of what I was saying then they should still be excited about this season, as they are exactly where I “hyped” them to be at this point.
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fjm
My guess is ‘nova boards is probably filled with young fans as well. I am sure some were concerned on Scoop, but anyone that follows the sport knew otherwise.
fair
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Wades
They have stunk thus far. They stepped on their Johnson and disappointed some folks on here. You are holding serve on your prediction and I hope you are right. Aside from you, I think most are at least mildly disappointed thus far.
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Wades
They have stunk thus far. They stepped on their Johnson and disappointed some folks on here. You are holding serve on your prediction and I hope you are right. Aside from you, I think most are at least mildly disappointed thus far.
Fair enough. As you like to say, “anyone who follows the sport” would understand that MU got punched in the mouth at one of the top 5 toughest arenas to play in the country with a soon to be millionaire playing like the pro he is soon to be. That was far from surprising given that it was our first real game of the season. And then we went almost 10 minutes without scoring and still competed with the best team in the country on a neutral court. November basketball. Sometimes you go through a rough stretch in a game against very good teams.
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Wades
They have stunk thus far. They stepped on their Johnson and disappointed some folks on here. You are holding serve on your prediction and I hope you are right. Aside from you, I think most are at least mildly disappointed thus far.
The team is where is should be, record-wise. The only negative surprise was the margin at Assembly Hall.
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Tower
Agreed on record. I was hoping that a program that has done nothing for a half decade might come out a tad better. IMO, it has not been a showing to create much excitement, and that is disappointing.
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The team is where is should be, record-wise. The only negative surprise was the margin at Assembly Hall.
Yep......I recall MU playing horribly in a first round NCAA tourney game vs Davidson......needed basically a miracle to win......."hey look a miracle! ". Let's bitch and moan about how lucky we got.....we were the Big East Champs....it shouldn't have been close....but it was.....we almost lost......but we didn't......we won.....then we won a hard fought game that could have gone either way against Butler.......blew out Miami.....and made the elite 8 before laying an egg against Cuse.
We could have easily been out in the first round......but we survived.....another day we might not have.
You would think that after watching college basketball for many years people would realize that the difference in talent is not as extreme as it once was between teams like .....I don't know....Virginia.....and UMBC.....
We can beat good teams....they can beat us......if we play bad....bad teams can beat us.....Crean, Buzz and Wojo have all lost to bad teams.....so has Bo Ryan....and Jay Wright.
How about just enjoy the wins and not act like every bad performance is the end of the world?
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Agree that inconsistency in November is fine, and that Nova has a lot of new guys to acclimate, but I’m not so sure that they’ll be fine. I guess it depends on what “fine” is.
Only went 8 men deep, with no contributions from the bench (4 points). With the talent they had last year, they could get away with that- not this year. They’ll still be good, and I think they finish top 3 in conference and top 25 overall. But they are not a top 10 team.
And Quinerly is in Wright’s doghouse- has not demonstrated any buy-in to Nova’s culture. He has had several DNP coach’s decisions, including today.
I was impressed with Villanova today for several reasons. They were playing for the tournament championship against a very athletic FSU in what was essentially a road game. Villanova was true to their fundamental strengths. On defense they used their length and competed very well. Offensively , they ran their plays until they got high quality looks. They did not have to rely on the 3.
I agree Villanova is not deep, however they are making up for that with everyone playing smart basketball. They have a couple of upsides from here. First, when Cremo recovers from that injury and can get rid of that mask, I think he will be much better and open things up for the big men. Second, Gillespie is doing a very good job, so they have the luxury of slowly working Quinerly into their style of play. If they can get anything at all out of Quinerely, it is going to be very helpful.
Nova has four big 5 games in row coming up, starting next Saturday against LaSalle and Traci Carter . After that they face Kansas on the road in Lawrence which should provide a good examination of where they are as a team.
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I was impressed with Villanova today for several reasons. They were playing for the tournament championship against a very athletic FSU in what was essentially a road game. Villanova was true to their fundamental strengths. On defense they used their length and competed very well. Offensively , they ran their plays until they got high quality looks. They did not have to rely on the 3.
I agree Villanova is not deep, however they are making up for that with everyone playing smart basketball. They have a couple of upsides from here. First, when Cremo recovers from that injury and can get rid of that mask, I think he will be much better and open things up for the big men. Second, Gillespie is doing a very good job, so they have the luxury of slowly working Quinerly into their style of play. If they can get anything at all out of Quinerely, it is going to be very helpful.
Nova has four big 5 games in row coming up, starting next Saturday against LaSalle and Traci Carter . After that they face Kansas on the road in Lawrence which should provide a good examination of where they are as a team.
Neck assessment?
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The Hall and The U tied 45 45 at the half. Hopefully the Pirates can bring home another Big East win.
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Yep......I recall MU playing horribly in a first round NCAA tourney game vs Davidson......needed basically a miracle to win......."hey look a miracle! ". Let's bitch and moan about how lucky we got.....we were the Big East Champs....it shouldn't have been close....but it was.....we almost lost......but we didn't......we won.....then we won a hard fought game that could have gone either way against Butler.......blew out Miami.....and made the elite 8 before laying an egg against Cuse.
We could have easily been out in the first round......but we survived.....another day we might not have.
You would think that after watching college basketball for many years people would realize that the difference in talent is not as extreme as it once was between teams like .....I don't know....Virginia.....and UMBC.....
We can beat good teams....they can beat us......if we play bad....bad teams can beat us.....Crean, Buzz and Wojo have all lost to bad teams.....so has Bo Ryan....and Jay Wright.
How about just enjoy the wins and not act like every bad performance is the end of the world?
This is 100% correct, every coach loses to bad teams and beats good teams. The key is to do the former infrequently and the latter often. Wojo has some work to do in that area before I would put him in a group with Wright, Buzz or TC - hope this year turns out to be the beginning.
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Big Win for The Hall over The U. Their team looked very solid tonight.
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Things looking better for BE with Hall and Nova quality wins tonight. I’m feeling better about it.
MU needs minimum 1 win out of UW, BUF, KSU
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Things looking better for BE with Hall and Nova quality wins tonight. I’m feeling better about it.
MU needs minimum 1 win out of UW, BUF, KSU
Really need 2 to feel good. I think we get Buffalo and one of the other two. Really do have a chance at all 3
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Yep......I recall MU playing horribly in a first round NCAA tourney game vs Davidson......needed basically a miracle to win......."hey look a miracle! ". Let's bitch and moan about how lucky we got.....we were the Big East Champs....it shouldn't have been close....but it was.....we almost lost......but we didn't......we won.....then we won a hard fought game that could have gone either way against Butler.......blew out Miami.....and made the elite 8 before laying an egg against Cuse.
We could have easily been out in the first round......but we survived.....another day we might not have.
You would think that after watching college basketball for many years people would realize that the difference in talent is not as extreme as it once was between teams like .....I don't know....Virginia.....and UMBC.....
We can beat good teams....they can beat us......if we play bad....bad teams can beat us.....Crean, Buzz and Wojo have all lost to bad teams.....so has Bo Ryan....and Jay Wright.
How about just enjoy the wins and not act like every bad performance is the end of the world?
And don’t forget 2003 first round vs. Holy Cross. And 1977 2nd round vs. K State. And 1974 Regionalfinal v Michigan. All of those runs could easily have ended sooner.
And we all could name a few heartbreaking tourney losses.
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And don’t forget 2003 first round vs. Holy Cross. And 1977 2nd round vs. K State. And 1974 Regionalfinal v Michigan. All of those runs could easily have ended sooner.
And we all could name a few heartbreaking tourney losses.
So we switch those 4 runs with wins in 02, 08, 09, 10. 69, 71 (those are the painful close ones I remembered off the top of my head) and are we better or worse as a program?
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/11/26/seton-hall-basketball-miami-wooden-legacy/2107677002/
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Villanova back in AP top 25. No MU votes. Creighton and St. Johns also received votes. Seton Hall win happened late last night, and some voters may have already voted as Miami still received votes.
https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
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Villanova 23 in coaches poll. Creighton Butler and The Johnnies also received votes. Big opportunity this week for Creighton as they face number 1 Gonzaga on Saturday at home in Omaha.
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Big East Number 1 Conference in Realtime RPI as of tonight. Obviously the NET ranking is what matters but this is a helpful point of reference.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
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Big East Number 1 Conference in Realtime RPI as of tonight. Obviously the NET ranking is what matters but this is a helpful point of reference.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
Conference USA is #1 in NET. We never should have bailed...
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4 Big East games tonight. TV schedule is pinned on the top of the board. Enjoy!
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
That's your opinion.
I think the answer lies somewhere in between. I'd be disappointed with a 9 seed. I expected this team to be fringe top 20-25 all year. I'd be fine with a 6 or 7.
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
K.
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
I try to look this team objectively. I remain consistent in my position that the ceiling is a 6 seed with the floor being a 9 seed.
And I really don't care if people agree with me or not.
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4 Big East games tonight. TV schedule is pinned on the top of the board. Enjoy!
Thanks, really Helpful. Nice to have.
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
I think if things break right, this team has the ability to be a 3-seed. From what I've seen so far, it feels like an 8-9 seed. My minimum expectation has always been comfortably in, which for me means 7 or better. That means you're at worst right around the edge of the top-25 and never in doubt of being left out.
Obviously I hope for better, but I think worse than a 7 is my bar for disappointment, unless we're moved for matchup purposes (say Providence, Butler, St John's, & Louisville are all on the 10-line).
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I think we will know what kind of team we really have after we play K-State, Wisconsin and Buffalo. Hope we can take 2 out of 3. If Louisville can beat MSU I hope we can beat K-State at home.
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Please re-read the title of this thread.
Then take your discussion of this issue to one of the bajillion threads that already discuss how you were, are, or will be disappointed by this years' team.
I know it's Scoop's nature to take every thread off track. But this one actually holds interesting information that would be nice to track through the season.
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Please re-read the title of this thread.
Then take your discussion of this issue to one of the bajillion threads that already discuss how you were, are, or will be disappointed by this years' team.
I know it's Scoop's nature to take every thread off track. But this one actually holds interesting information that would be nice to track through the season.
Yes
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Xavier rolled Miami-Ohio.
Georgetown beat Richmond.
DePaul tied with Cleveland State in the 2nd half.
Montana and Creighton also tied.
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Neck assessment?
(https://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2018/11/21/neck-guy-charles-dion-mcdowell.png)
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Watched the Creighton game last night. Nice to see Ty-Shon Alexander doing well this sophomore season. I caught several of his high school games and was always impressed. Creighton seems to have some depth and looks like they are going to be a tough road game for Big East opponents. Although they are probably a year away from being a very strong team.
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Saturday will be a huge slate of games for the conference:
K State @ Marquette
Johnnies @ GT
L'Ville @ Hall
Oakland @ X
Zags @ Creighton
Nova @ LaSalle
Rhode Island @ Providence
Butler @ SLU
Seton Hall and Creighton most probable Ls in my mind
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Saturday will be a huge slate of games for the conference:
K State @ Marquette
Johnnies @ GT
L'Ville @ Hall
Oakland @ X
Zags @ Creighton
Nova @ LaSalle
Rhode Island @ Providence
Butler @ SLU
Seton Hall and Creighton most probable Ls in my mind
5-3 for the day would be a good result for BE
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Why is Butler playing at SLU?
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Saturday will be a huge slate of games for the conference:
K State @ Marquette
Johnnies @ GT
L'Ville @ Hall
Oakland @ X
Zags @ Creighton
Nova @ LaSalle
Rhode Island @ Providence
Butler @ SLU
Seton Hall and Creighton most probable Ls in my mind
Agree, this and next Saturday are big days. Right now BE is 50-15 - 77%. We should toast the 10 between Saturdays...those 16 on the Saturdays are generally not easy.
12/8
#10UKvHALL
DEPvNW
JOESv#23VILL
XAVvCIN
GTWNvSYR
NIUvBUT
#22WISvMARQ
CREIvNEB
12/1 and 12/8 will say a lot about MU and the BE.
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Just a quick correction, GT vs. SJU is a neutral site game in Miami
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Why is Butler playing at SLU?
Return of a home and home I believe. Actually a decent road game, Butler should win and get road credit for a win over a team that will be in the mix for a conference title in a decent but not great league.
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I like to glance at the Massey Composite ... figure the averaging of a bunch of systems that I have no idea about might actually be close to the truth.
take a look, very interesting...but sometimes a couple of days behind:
https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm (https://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm)
Noticing how many ACC teams were at the top and no BE teams, I wondered how the BE stacked up in the top 50. Here is a breakdown of the top 50 by conference..so we're ok even though not at the top ... and we only have 10 teams remember...:
ACC 13
B10 11
SEC 7
B12 6
BE 6
P12 3
MAC 1
MWC 1
OVC 1
WCC 1
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Return of a home and home I believe. Actually a decent road game, Butler should win and get road credit for a win over a team that will be in the mix for a conference title in a decent but not great league.
Surprised BE teams doing home and homes with A10 teams.
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Surprised BE teams doing home and homes with A10 teams.
Wisconsin is finishing a home and home with Western Kentucky this season.North Carolina played at Wofford(played them at home last season) and Elon(I assume they will get a return game or 2 in the deal).
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Wisconsin is finishing a home and home with Western Kentucky this season.North Carolina played at Wofford(played them at home last season) and Elon(I assume they will get a return game or 2 in the deal).
Wisconsin also got a home football game against WKU last year. I've heard all 3 games were part of the same deal.
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Wisconsin is finishing a home and home with Western Kentucky this season.North Carolina played at Wofford(played them at home last season) and Elon(I assume they will get a return game or 2 in the deal).
UNC is its own thing - Roy tries to play non-con road games near where the seniors grew up
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UNC is its own thing - Roy tries to play non-con road games near where the seniors grew up
This. UNC does this regularly, so not really a good example.
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Oklahoma played at UT San Antonio and UT Rio Grand Valley this season.
Kansas State is playing at Tulsa after the MU game.
In 17 and 18 Virginia did a home and home with UNC Greensboro.......in 18 and 19 they did a home and home with VCU(Atlantic 10).
I could find more.
Bottom line ......it doesn't happen all the time but major conference teams do play H&H with schools from lesser conferences .....
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This. UNC does this regularly, so not really a good example.
I think with SLU it was supposed to be a pretty savvy scheduling move. SLU was supposed to be a top 75 type team last year and this year. Things went sideways last year with some sketchy incidents leading to suspensions and a poor season overall. They have an almost power school feel to them when they are good (Chaiffetz is basically a copy/paste of Cintas and their fanbase can be solid) so it could be a decent environment for the players. You also look at Butler, which has for whatever reason historically had one of the lowest budgets in the Big East, and they see and opportunity for a pair of decent games against a local school that only costs them a 3.5 hour bus trip each way.
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Oklahoma played at UT San Antonio and UT Rio Grand Valley this season.
Kansas State is playing at Tulsa after the MU game.
In 17 and 18 Virginia did a home and home with UNC Greensboro.......in 18 and 19 they did a home and home with VCU(Atlantic 10).
I could find more.
Bottom line ......it doesn't happen all the time but major conference teams do play H&H with schools from lesser conferences .....
Bucky is playing at WKU in a return match for Davison’s base line flop.
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Bucky is playing at WKU in a return match for Davison’s base line flop.
I forgot all about that game. That was brutal. Still don't understand that call.
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GT 38-29 at the half over St. John's on ESPNU.
Louisville 36-34 over SH at half on FOX.
Xavier 41-36 over Oakland at the half on FS1.
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Not BE but nice to hear Buffalo escaped San Francisco game with a win. Maybe we need a thread on MU opponents.
Buffalo maintaining Creds is good for MU.
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Powell taking some really questionable shots for SH.
Thought USF and Buffalo was a good game. Both teams seemed pretty solid fundamentally.
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St. Johns did a nice job today rallying from behind to beat Georgia Tech.
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Just saw the ponds stj highlights. He is something else. Big east doing well. SH losing to Louisville forgivable. Also ok for MU resume either way.
Things are looking up folks for 12/29. BE should be on firm ground. Table set for MU.
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Baldwin 1st team all Beast? Yea okay. SLUs not bad, but yikes.
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Baldwin 1st team all Beast? Yea okay. SLUs not bad, but yikes.
Lol. It's one game. He averaged 16, 5, and 3 last season. I'd say that's a pretty decent bet to be one of the top players in the conference this season. He's averaging 19, 6, and 6 this season on 50% shooting and just 1.5 turnovers per game.
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Lol. It's one game. He averaged 16, 5, and 3 last season. I'd say that's a pretty decent bet to be one of the top players in the conference this season. He's averaging 19, 6, and 6 this season on 50% shooting and just 1.5 turnovers per game.
Not sure where you're seeing those TO number because I found it at close to 4 per game.
Decent player? Yes. 1st team all conference? No. I'd take Markus, Ponds, Powell, Govan, Paschall, Sam, and probably even Strus before him.
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So there's only one Big East team that is still undefeated, and that's Shamorie Ponds.
I think the gameplan is pretty clear for the conference opener.
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So there's only one Big East team that is still undefeated, and that's Shamorie Ponds.
I think the gameplan is pretty clear for the conference opener.
It's our opener, but St John's does open their conference slate at Seton Hall before they play us. Have to think at worst they'll be 12-1 though.
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I think with SLU it was supposed to be a pretty savvy scheduling move. SLU was supposed to be a top 75 type team last year and this year. Things went sideways last year with some sketchy incidents leading to suspensions and a poor season overall. They have an almost power school feel to them when they are good (Chaiffetz is basically a copy/paste of Cintas and their fanbase can be solid) so it could be a decent environment for the players. You also look at Butler, which has for whatever reason historically had one of the lowest budgets in the Big East, and they see and opportunity for a pair of decent games against a local school that only costs them a 3.5 hour bus trip each way.
SLU has a good team this year and will be even better next year(s).....Their weaknesses are 3 point shooting and FT shooting. But they are an NCAA team this year. They had a (near) sell out crowd yesterday, even had Red Panda at halftime so you know it was a big game for them. Strong local recruiting (past problem) mixed with other regions. Travis Ford has it going there a little bit.
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Not sure where you're seeing those TO number because I found it at close to 4 per game.
Decent player? Yes. 1st team all conference? No. I'd take Markus, Ponds, Powell, Govan, Paschall, Sam, and probably even Strus before him.
3.9 TO/game, so that's a problem. But he was terrible in non-conference play last year too before turning it around. Last year his usage went down & both efficiency & 3PFG% improved in conference play. He needs to get guys like McDermott & Baddley more involved. He certainly hasn't been good, but he's gotten better as the season went on before so I wouldn't write Baldwin off just yet.
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
Uhhhhh no.
Getting a 6 seed would not be a huge disappointment lol.
I’ll be disappointed if we are a bubble team. But it’s not 5 seed or bust lol
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Trap game vs UTEP, aina?
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Villanova 21 MU Creighton and The Johnnies also received votes.
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Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.
Then you probably shouldn't speak for Goose, because he has stated elsewhere that he'd consider an 11 seed this year a success.
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Coaches poll Villanova 21 St . Johns Creighton and MU got votes. MU only got one point, so a little less love from the coaches than AP. A win over the Badgers could help the cause.
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Georgetown in trouble against Liberty tonight. Heard it here first.
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Georgetown in trouble against Liberty tonight. Heard it here first.
Liberty good this year but still that mid-major "good".
They only lost to Vanderbilt away by 9 but I think GT better than Vandy. So I'm counting on a win.
BE has 10 games I think before this Saturday...hoping we will all of them. We have a chance to have a relatively high cume BE winning %. Which is exactly opposite of what I was fearing a week ago.
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Georgetown in trouble against Liberty tonight. Heard it here first.
Hoyas winning 82-62.......it was close at the half.....so you get points for being half right.
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Hoyas win by 10. DePaul is being DePaul. Trailing kenpom's #343 team Florida A&M 35-33 in the second half.
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Hoyas win by 10. DePaul is being DePaul. Trailing kenpom's #343 team Florida A&M 35-33 in the second half.
Life without Strus not easy tonight for Demons.....
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I consider an NCAA tourney appearance a successful year. Wojo needs proof to potential recruits that his vision is working n is in place. The team will be very good next year and wojo needs a really good class this summer, pretty certain he can get it coming iff an ncaa bid.
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DePaul won without Max Struss tonight. Dickie Simpkins says DePaul can “challenge for 5th in the league “and his other big favorite is MU.
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DePaul won without Max Struss tonight. Dickie Simpkins says DePaul can “challenge for 5th in the league “and his other big favorite is MU.
Yeah, I watched the second half (while trying to catch up to the NM posts) and lots of references to Marquette.
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DePaul won without Max Struss tonight. Dickie Simpkins says DePaul can “challenge for 5th in the league “and his other big favorite is MU.
Dickie is an idiot. That he is saying Providence is currently the best team in the league only underscores that.
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Prov with a nice win on the road at BC in OT.
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Prov with a nice win on the road at BC in OT.
Man can Cooley coach. With the amount of frosh on the roster and what they lost from last year.... amazing.
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Big road win in overtime for Cooley and Company tonight on the road against BC. The Hall got the job done as well against New Hampshire.
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DePaul won without Max Struss tonight. Dickie Simpkins says DePaul can “challenge for 5th in the league
Dickie is a moron.
“and his other big favorite is MU.
Dickie knows his stuff.
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No surprises tonight. Yet.
SJU 85-71 over Mt St Marys
X 82-61 over Ohio U
Butler 70-55 over Brown
Nova down 4 to Temple early 2nd half.
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No surprises tonight. Yet.
SJU 85-71 over Mt St Marys
X 82-61 over Ohio U
Butler 70-55 over Brown
Nova down 4 to Temple early 2nd half.
Nova looking ugly again tonight.
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This conference is very winnable
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Nova wins by 10.
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This Saturday Real Big 8 games for BE. Lots of tough competition. By rankings I think we would be 3-5. But I'm hoping on 5-3 (or better :) ).
I think Providence should also handle UMass Friday.
BE 64-18....with about 125-126 non-conf games....can we get to 100 wins?!
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This Saturday Real Big 8 games for BE. Lots of tough competition. By rankings I think we would be 3-5. But I'm hoping on 5-3 (or better :) ).
Huge ask to go 5-3 on Sat. Would be awesome. 4-4 looks more achievable.
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My only concern is MU going 1-0.
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My only concern is MU going 1-0.
Wades subscribes to Wojo's newsletter.
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My only concern is MU going 1-0.
That's on the top of my list too....but in a thread called: "Big East Non Conference Results", I'll venture an opinion on other things.
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Wades subscribes to Wojo's newsletter.
Wades doesn't really care what the rest of the Big East does. I know some chicken littles looked into 2 bad nights as far as conference results in the middle of November and came to the conclusion that the Big East is now the A10 or SoCon, depending on who was posting, but the reality is not one person I've ever talked to that isn't a Wisconsin (who are just looking to get a rise out of the chicken little Marquette fans) or Marquette fan think the Big East is anything but one of the top 3 (overall, maybe not necessarily this year) basketball conferences in the country, and not one expert I've heard talk/seen write about the Big East thinks otherwise, either. If Nova, Butler, Seton Hall, Providence, Xavier, and Creighton are all down this year, that's great by me. Time to take advantage and win a Big East title.
I never cared how the rest of the conference did in the old version of the Big East. In fact, I always wanted to see Cuse, Louisville, etc. lose every game they played. I have continued to not care what other teams in the BE do. The BE is juuuuuust fine. I enjoy seeing Nova do well because I like their style of play and think Jay Wright is a classy guy and a great coach, not because they're in the same conference as us.
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My head always wants the other Big East to win because it makes Marquette's tournament resume stronger.
My heart always wants the other Big East teams to lose because I hate those guys.
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My head always wants the other Big East to win because it makes Marquette's tournament resume stronger.
My heart always wants the other Big East teams to lose because I hate those guys.
Funny...I still have trouble "hating" any of the other current BE teams--all of the real "rivals" (teams I loved to hate) left in expansion.
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Funny...I still have trouble "hating" any of the other current BE teams--all of the real "rivals" (teams I loved to hate) left in expansion.
Plenty to hate from new BE Creighton and Butler fans.
Sorry CreightonWarrior!
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Funny...I still have trouble "hating" any of the other current BE teams--all of the real "rivals" (teams I loved to hate) left in expansion.
I'm starting to hate some of them. SJU because they always beat us in frustrating ways at their place. X because of their fans. Butler because they have owned Wojo.
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Difference with this new conference is we need all the teams to win as much as we can as this conference is small and not fully secured or established yet.
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Difference with this new conference is we need all the teams to win as much as we can as this conference is small and not fully secured or established yet.
Pretty sure Nova established it 2 of the past 3 years
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My head always wants the other Big East to win because it makes Marquette's tournament resume stronger.
My heart always wants the other Big East teams to lose because I hate those guys.
I never see it that way. I view the BEast like siblings. Sure it's easy to hate on them. That is until the kid from the next block picks on your little brother.
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the reality is not one person I've ever talked to that isn't a Wisconsin (who are just looking to get a rise out of the chicken little Marquette fans) or Marquette fan think the Big East is anything but one of the top 3 (overall, maybe not necessarily this year) basketball conferences in the country, and not one expert I've heard talk/seen write about the Big East thinks otherwise, either.
This is the 6th year of the "New Big East". In year one (IIRC) we weren't in the top 5, this year we check in at #5. I'm not exactly sure where Pomeroy had us the other 4 years, maybe a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? To say that only UW fans and chicken little MU fans (and zero "experts) would rank the conference outside the top 3 is inaccurate. The ACC is head and shoulders above us and the Big 12 is clearly #2. Whether we've been 3 or 4 depends on where you put the Big 10.
If you're not concerned with the conference's trajectory, though, I think you're dead wrong. Villanova's amazing run has kept the conference at #3 or #4 because in the final Pomeroy rankings they've been rated 11,5,1,2, and 1. Meanwhile no other Big East team has finished in the top 13 - ever. Only Xavier (#14 in2016 and #15 last year,) Creighton (#17 in 2014) and Butler (#20 in 2015) have cracked the top 20. In 2017 our second highest rated team was Butler at #25. If Villanova (currently #19 and still the conferences highest ranked) slips even a little from their run as the #1 program in the land the conference will settle in the 4/5 area. I thinks that's likely.
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Difference with this new conference is we need all the teams to win as much as we can as this conference is small and not fully secured or established yet.
Nope. The reason that there are no hated teams in the Beast is that there are no hated coaches in the Beast (although if CU was paying players that would quickly change). Even coaches that have had success (Wright, Mack) I have nothing but respect for. It would take an awful lot for anyone to rise to the level of Slick Rick, Huggy Bear, Boeheim, or Cronin.
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Always thought Mack was slimey. His handling of "zip 'em up" was despicable. Big time whiner on the bench. Now that he's gone I can go back to liking Xavier, I hope.
Creighton's fans have always annoyed me. Same with Butler. I don't like St. John's style of play. DePaul is DePaul. Never really liked Providence. Seton Hall and Willard always seemed like punks to me. Georgetown is just boring.
No hate for anyone on the level of a Louisville, but the only team I really enjoy outside of MU is Nova.
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This is the 6th year of the "New Big East". In year one (IIRC) we weren't in the top 5, this year we check in at #5. I'm not exactly sure where Pomeroy had us the other 4 years, maybe a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? To say that only UW fans and chicken little MU fans (and zero "experts) would rank the conference outside the top 3 is inaccurate. The ACC is head and shoulders above us and the Big 12 is clearly #2. Whether we've been 3 or 4 depends on where you put the Big 10.
If you're not concerned with the conference's trajectory, though, I think you're dead wrong. Villanova's amazing run has kept the conference at #3 or #4 because in the final Pomeroy rankings they've been rated 11,5,1,2, and 1. Meanwhile no other Big East team has finished in the top 13 - ever. Only Xavier (#14 in2016 and #15 last year,) Creighton (#17 in 2014) and Butler (#20 in 2015) have cracked the top 20. In 2017 our second highest rated team was Butler at #25. If Villanova (currently #19 and still the conferences highest ranked) slips even a little from their run as the #1 program in the land the conference will settle in the 4/5 area. I thinks that's likely.
So basically exactly where I said the Big East would be. Not the very best conference in the country, but also not the worst of the Power 6 conferences, or, as some Scoopers have said, a mid-major conference. I would agree with that and it's exactly why I'm in no way, shape, or form concerned about the trajectory of the conference. It was obviously not going to remain the best conference in the country. You don't lose Pittsburgh (who was great until they joined the ACC), Syracuse, Louisville, Notre Dame, and UCONN and not take a drop. But the BE has landed in a really good place.
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This is the 6th year of the "New Big East". In year one (IIRC) we weren't in the top 5, this year we check in at #5. I'm not exactly sure where Pomeroy had us the other 4 years, maybe a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? To say that only UW fans and chicken little MU fans (and zero "experts) would rank the conference outside the top 3 is inaccurate. The ACC is head and shoulders above us and the Big 12 is clearly #2. Whether we've been 3 or 4 depends on where you put the Big 10.
If you're not concerned with the conference's trajectory, though, I think you're dead wrong. Villanova's amazing run has kept the conference at #3 or #4 because in the final Pomeroy rankings they've been rated 11,5,1,2, and 1. Meanwhile no other Big East team has finished in the top 13 - ever. Only Xavier (#14 in2016 and #15 last year,) Creighton (#17 in 2014) and Butler (#20 in 2015) have cracked the top 20. In 2017 our second highest rated team was Butler at #25. If Villanova (currently #19 and still the conferences highest ranked) slips even a little from their run as the #1 program in the land the conference will settle in the 4/5 area. I thinks that's likely.
I'm not concerned because 1. It's too early to know what the long-term trajectory will be IMHO; and B. There's nothing I can do about it.
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I'm not concerned because 1. It's too early to know what the long-term trajectory will be IMHO; and B. There's nothing I can do about it.
As to 1. you are correct, we don't yet KNOW what the long term trajectory will be. I'm offering my opinion on what I think is the most likely outcome. Regarding B. The fate of the Big East concerns me because I'm a fan of Marquette. And world hunger concerns me because I'm a fan of humanity. My inability to do anything about either doesn't eliminate my concern.
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This is the 6th year of the "New Big East". In year one (IIRC) we weren't in the top 5, this year we check in at #5. I'm not exactly sure where Pomeroy had us the other 4 years, maybe a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th? To say that only UW fans and chicken little MU fans (and zero "experts) would rank the conference outside the top 3 is inaccurate. The ACC is head and shoulders above us and the Big 12 is clearly #2. Whether we've been 3 or 4 depends on where you put the Big 10.
If you're not concerned with the conference's trajectory, though, I think you're dead wrong. Villanova's amazing run has kept the conference at #3 or #4 because in the final Pomeroy rankings they've been rated 11,5,1,2, and 1. Meanwhile no other Big East team has finished in the top 13 - ever. Only Xavier (#14 in2016 and #15 last year,) Creighton (#17 in 2014) and Butler (#20 in 2015) have cracked the top 20. In 2017 our second highest rated team was Butler at #25. If Villanova (currently #19 and still the conferences highest ranked) slips even a little from their run as the #1 program in the land the conference will settle in the 4/5 area. I thinks that's likely.
New Big East Rankings since inception
2013 5th Four NCAA teams. Zero Sweet 16's
2014 2nd Six NCAA teams. One Sweet 16
2015 3rd Five NCAA teams. National Champion
2016 3rd Seven NCAA teams. Elite 8
2017 3rd Six NCAA teams. National Champion
2018 5th
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The Big East in its current form and in the current landscape is one of the top 3 or 4 basketball conferences. I am very confident it will remain that way for at least the next few years.
What I don't know is what that second TV contract is going to look like. That'll be a worry at the back of my head until the deal gets done. That could change our trajectory in a hurry.
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Personally I think as long as the Pac12, Big 12, and ACC make way less money than the Big 10 and SEC we will be in a solid position. Those 3 conferences are struggling to keep up and are dumping the bulk of their income into football. As long as we annually finish among the top 5/6 I think we are fine. The AAC can't compete with us as long as they are focused on football and have a puny TV contract. The A10, MWC, and WCC have no shot of catching us, IMO. I think we are safe for the foreseeable future.
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The Big East in its current form and in the current landscape is one of the top 3 or 4 basketball conferences. I am very confident it will remain that way for at least the next few years.
What I don't know is what that second TV contract is going to look like. That'll be a worry at the back of my head until the deal gets done. That could change our trajectory in a hurry.
The vast majority of income for basketball programs is not in the TV contract. I worry a little about the contract but keeping fans engaged is a much bigger concern for me. I'd like to see every BE team make the NCAA tournament every few years just to give fans a sense of nm pride and keep them buying tickets.
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As to 1. you are correct, we don't yet KNOW what the long term trajectory will be. I'm offering my opinion on what I think is the most likely outcome. Regarding B. The fate of the Big East concerns me because I'm a fan of Marquette. And world hunger concerns me because I'm a fan of humanity. My inability to do anything about either doesn't eliminate my concern.
Fair enough. I personally am more concerned about world hunger. Which is why I spend too g-d much time on WH Scoop!
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The vast majority of income for basketball programs is not in the TV contract. I worry a little about the contract but keeping fans engaged is a much bigger concern for me. I'd like to see every BE team make the NCAA tournament every few years just to give fans a sense of nm pride and keep them buying tickets.
My concern is that without a good TV contract it will be much hard to keep fans engaged
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How does the fact we have fewer teams impact our place? Is it to our advantage because more concentrated quality...or to our disadvantage because the others have more chance for tourney bids (who cares about the losers) ...or does it all just average out?
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My concern is that without a good TV contract it will be much hard to keep fans engaged
What criteria are you concerned about for the TV contract in terms of engagement? $/National TV games/Overall accessibility for games?
In some ways, I'm not sure if #2 and #3 make as much of a difference anymore, now that streaming is so accessible and widespread--in some ways, it doesn't matter who the TV contract is with because almost all the content is available to stream regardless of what channel it appears on. I do think there is still something about having your games on the flagship channels because of the free advertising/marketing it gives you, but even that feels like it is waning.
Now, $ could be a big difference for next round--Fox needed the Big East last time around and was willing to pay premium dollars for a commodity that was a little more uncertain at the time. With the shifting landscape, it'll be interesting to see who bids next time. And, that might have a big impact on the schools, but won't matter as much initially for the fan bases itself in terms of being able to follow their programs.
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Cooley & Company up by 18 at halftime over U Mass.
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The vast majority of income for basketball programs is not in the TV contract. I worry a little about the contract but keeping fans engaged is a much bigger concern for me. I'd like to see every BE team make the NCAA tournament every few years just to give fans a sense of nm pride and keep them buying tickets.
The importance of the Fox contract is distribution on a major sports network. The world is changing very fast in this space, the next contract will be very important.
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Cooley & Company up by 18 at halftime over U Mass.
Huge comeback win for UMass.
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Huge comeback win for UMass.
Aargh.....
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Cooley is too good a coach to ever give up a lead like that. Or so I have been lead to believe. Or maybe it just has to be accepted that the vicissitudes of the game apply to all schools and leagues.
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Wow. DePaul winning at Northwestern 57-45 on BTN.
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Wow. DePaul winning at Northwestern 57-45 on BTN.
Northwestern battled back to 57-52 with 7:03 left
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NW up 61-57 now with 4 minutes left.
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Seton Hall up 4 on #9 Kentucky with 12 minutes left. This Kentucky team isn’t very good.
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Seton Hall up 4 on #9 Kentucky with 12 minutes left. This Kentucky team isn’t very good.
Quincy McKnight playing well.
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Seton Hall up 4 on #9 Kentucky with 12 minutes left. This Kentucky team isn’t very good.
Kentucky is awful and Cals halftime quotes prove he’s not even coaching these guys
Hall isn’t even playing well and still hanging in there
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NW now up 67-57 a 25-0 run.
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NW now up 67-57 a 25-0 run.
Unreal. I never seen such a thing. Oh, wait.
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Why is DePaul only playing 11 non con games?
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The all-almost MU backcourt of Herro and Hagans hurting the Hall.
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The all-almost MU backcourt of Herro and Hagans hurting the Hall.
How? They have combined to be 6-17 from the floor (0-6 from 3) for a combined 15 points. Washington is destroying the hall. He is single handily winning it for Kentucky right now.
and Powell is a bad man. Cold early, but on fire now.
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Why is DePaul only playing 11 non con games?
I don't believe they are in an exempt tournament.
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What criteria are you concerned about for the TV contract in terms of engagement? $/National TV games/Overall accessibility for games?
In some ways, I'm not sure if #2 and #3 make as much of a difference anymore, now that streaming is so accessible and widespread--in some ways, it doesn't matter who the TV contract is with because almost all the content is available to stream regardless of what channel it appears on. I do think there is still something about having your games on the flagship channels because of the free advertising/marketing it gives you, but even that feels like it is waning.
Now, $ could be a big difference for next round--Fox needed the Big East last time around and was willing to pay premium dollars for a commodity that was a little more uncertain at the time. With the shifting landscape, it'll be interesting to see who bids next time. And, that might have a big impact on the schools, but won't matter as much initially for the fan bases itself in terms of being able to follow their programs.
Being able to watch Marquette easily from my couch on national television is a big reason I stay engaged. It’s easy and it’s fun to watch. If the next TV contract is poor (and it would need to plummet because FS1 has overall been fantastic for the BE), then less people watch, prestige goes down, etc.
That being said, I’d be very very surprised if the next tv deal was a significant downgrade.
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Powell with the 3 to tie it at 67. One minute left
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Powell with the 3 to tie it at 67. One minute left
Tough call against the hall there. Wroten kid goes up for a rebound and Washington basically plants himself in his landing spot. But huge stop right after.
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As I said before. Powell is a Bad Man.
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What a shot by Powell. Double clutch 3. Nice win for the Beast
Edit: wow
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Wow. What an incredible shot from Powell. Dude is a cold blooded stud. Seton Hall up 3 with 1 second left
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Kentucky is terrible
Herro and everyone of their guards simply are bad at the sport
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Kentucky is terrible
Herro and everyone of their guards simply are bad at the sport
They’re definitely not terrible.
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Step back. Double clutch three.
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Oops
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What a shot by Powell. Double clutch 3. Nice win for the Beast
You jinxed it. Also, no idea why they put 0.4 seconds back on the clock. 1.1 seconds looked right no replay.
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Half court three to force overtime. Unreal.
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Holy hell
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You jinxed it. Also, no idea why they put 0.4 seconds back on the clock. 1.1 seconds looked right no replay.
I own that one. Damn that’s brutal for SH if they lose
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OH MY GOD
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They’re definitely not terrible.
It’s a bad basketball team
Talented athletes
But terrible at basketball. This isn’t the only game
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What an effen game!
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It’s a bad basketball team
Talented athletes
But terrible at basketball. This isn’t the only game
If this is bad a bad college basketball team to you, I don’t know what that means for 95%+ of the rest of the entire NCAA.
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The Hall has to regroup in overtime
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Seen a lot of mock drafts listing Keldon Johnson as a borderline lottery pick
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If this is bad a bad college basketball team to you, I don’t know what that means for 95%+ of the rest of the entire NCAA.
If you think this a good team idk what you’re watching.
Washington and Travis are good.
These guards are getting absolutely abused in OT
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Refs gifting some weak fouls to Kentucky.
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Refs gifting some weak fouls to Kentucky.
Free throws mattering tho
Washington used to lay bricks. Finally missed one. 12/13
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Clutch three after clutch three, both sides.
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Johnson is a really talented freshman for UK, I can see why he’s a first rounder
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They ARE Kentucky. They get calls.
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What a game! Now I can say big win for Beast ;D
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Lmao Kentucky.
the guards suck
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What a great game. Good ending for the BE.
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One last three for Hall. Ballgame!
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That’s a foul
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The Hall comes through.
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What a game. Wow. That is some high quality college basketball at its finest.
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Kentucky doesn't take time out down 1 with 9 seconds left. Terrible with that many young guys. Leads to a contested 3. Coaching mistake. Fire Cal!
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Seton Hall pulls it out. Big East keeps picking up quality wins after the slow start
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Fun game to watch but could have easily called a foul on that last shot by KY.
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Really smart play on the last possession for the Hall. Pump fakes, move the ball around, and the last pump fake, gather, take your time and knock it down.
Really disciplined OT for the Hall after a backbreaking end of regulation.
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Fun game to watch but could have easily called a foul on that last shot by KY.
Even Kentucky isn't going to get a call on a kick your leg out and flop on a last second desperation 3.
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Xavier down at Cincinnati on ESPN2.
Villanova up on St. Joe's on FS1.
Very nice onions for Seton Hall!
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Really disciplined OT for the Hall after a backbreaking end of regulation.
Great point, forg.
Had Hall lost, folks would have talked about how they caved after UK's miracle shot to tie the game. But mentally strong teams still have the chance to prevail, and Hall has a lot to be proud of.
In the 1970 NBA Finals, Jerry West tied Game 3 with a half-court shot, but the Knicks went on to win in OT. The joke at the time was that West would have to miss the next game with an injury; when a reporter asked Lakers coach Joe Mullaney what injury West had, Mullaney said: "A broken heart."
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Creighton got their butts kicked by Nebraska. First loss in that series for the Bluejays in quite a long time. Georgetown lost at the end, would have been a nice road win for the conference.
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4-4 today...mediocre....not what I hoped combined with Providence fail to UMASS.
BE = 68-23 75%
One more tomorrow: STJ v PRINCETON should be a win for BE.
On to Next week.
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Only one that matters. MU 1, UW 0 in the win columns.
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4-4 today...mediocre....not what I hoped combined with Providence fail to UMASS.
BE = 68-23 75%
One more tomorrow: STJ v PRINCETON should be a win for BE.
On to Next week.
Providence blew 20 point at home to a not very good UMass team to boot. Not ideal.
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St. John's is in another close game again. Leading Princeton, 47-44.
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St. John's is in another close game again. Leading Princeton, 47-44.
Well like they seem to do each and every game, they pulled it out in the end. Really don't know what to make of the team. They really don't have any more difficult games until the Big East starts so they will be most probably undefeated non-con.
They could finish anywhere from 1st to 6th in the BEast. Hard to predict team.
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Well like they seem to do each and every game, they pulled it out in the end. Really don't know what to make of the team. They really don't have any more difficult games until the Big East starts so they will be most probably undefeated non-con.
They could finish anywhere from 1st to 6th in the BEast. Hard to predict team.
Yeah, I'm not at all sure what to make of them. They have played a pretty soft non-con so far. The only potential at-large on their non-con is Duke, but that's not until February at Cameron Indoor. I do think when we play them we'll be the best team they've seen to that point.
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Entire Big East in top 100 in NET with exception of Providence. Cooley and Company need to get their act together and close out non con strong. MU at 22 catapulted over VPI.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
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Villanova plays 8-2 Penn tonight in a Big 5 matchup at the Palestra.
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Villanova plays 8-2 Penn tonight in a Big 5 matchup at the Palestra.
Sneaky good game. Penn is tough, and at the Palestra is never easy.
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Sneaky good game. Penn is tough, and at the Palestra is never easy.
Hearing this a lot re: this game.. I don't see it. 15 home losses for Penn over the past 3 season. #SometimesEasy
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Hearing this a lot re: this game.. I don't see it. 15 home losses for Penn over the past 3 season. #SometimesEasy
'Nova has won 16 straight over Penn dating back to 2003. In road games, they've went 9-0 with only one game decided by single digits. I suppose it's possible, but I'm with Jay Bee. I think Villanova wins comfortably. Penn has been drubbed by KSU and Oregon State, and their only "quality" win is over a Miami team that just doesn't look very good.
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Providence Freshman guard AJ Reeves to miss 4-6 weeks with a foot injury. 6 weeks from today is January 22nd. We play PC on January 20th.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25509594/aj-reeves-providence-friars-four-six-weeks-foot-injury
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Providence Freshman guard AJ Reeves to miss 4-6 weeks with a foot injury. 6 weeks from today is January 22nd. We play PC on January 20th.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25509594/aj-reeves-providence-friars-four-six-weeks-foot-injury
Tough break for the Friars and Mr Reeves. He has been the brightest spot in a lackluster Providence non-conference. Fortunately for the conference, they will probably still win their games against CCSU and Albany, and they were probably heavy underdogs at Texas even without this injury, so it likely won't impact their non-conference results. Definitely impacts their start to conference play.
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Hearing this a lot re: this game.. I don't see it. 15 home losses for Penn over the past 3 season. #SometimesEasy
Well...
Nova has 7 min to figure this out
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Hearing this a lot re: this game.. I don't see it. 15 home losses for Penn over the past 3 season. #SometimesEasy
You were saying...?
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Yikes
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Yikes. This conference is ours for the taking. Let's get it.
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When was the last time an Ivy League team defeated the defending National Champ? I'll say never. Penn is good but Nova is a shell of itself.
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Nova doesn’t pass the eye test at all either. Having watched them a few times this season, there’s no way that’s a top 20 team.
I’d be pretty disappointed if MU doesn’t finish top two in conference this year.
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Yikes. This conference is ours for the taking. Let's get it.
I've seen enough Nova to realize they aren't very good this year. Now maybe Jay will whip them into shape but they've seen the last of the AP 25 for awhile, deservedly so.
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I've seen enough Nova to realize they aren't very good this year. Now maybe Jay will whip them into shape but they've seen the last of the AP 25 for awhile, deservedly so.
Just wait until they upset Kansas and are immediately anointed top 10 ::)
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When was the last time an Ivy League team defeated the defending National Champ? I'll say never. Penn is good but Nova is a shell of itself.
2014-15 Yale beat UConn
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Princeton beat UCLA in 1996.
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I've seen enough Nova to realize they aren't very good this year. Now maybe Jay will whip them into shape but they've seen the last of the AP 25 for awhile, deservedly so.
Call me crazy. I think they win at Kansas on Saturday. Udoka Azubuike is out still.
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Princeton beat UCLA in 1996.
2014-15 Yale beat UConn
Thanks guys! 8-)
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Hopefully wojo has us ready for the Booth leg kick and subsequent cry for foul
Guy did it at least 4 times tonight
Gonna get someone hurt.
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Call me crazy. I think they win at Kansas on Saturday. Udoka Azubuike is out still.
Crazy!
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Call me crazy. I think they win at Kansas on Saturday. Udoka Azubuike is out still.
I could see it... not the base case but KU has been getting lucky, and Azubuike being out is huge. Nova will probably be extra focused after that embarrassment.
Now that I have said this, KU will probably smoke them
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Yikes. This conference is ours for the taking. Let's get it.
Totally agree
If Greg comes back at the same level or better than he was last year, we have no business dropping a game at the FiFo, and 5-4 on the road is more than doable. 14-4 should do it this year. Gotta plant a steak in the ground, show recruits the vision Wojo laid out is coming to fruition.
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Totally agree
If Greg comes back at the same level or better than he was last year, we have no business dropping a game at the FiFo, and 5-4 on the road is more than doable. 14-4 should do it this year. Gotta plant a steak in the ground, show recruits the vision Wojo laid out is coming to fruition.
If you are hoping to grow a Filet Mignon tree you're going to be really disappointed.
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If you are hoping to grow a Filet Mignon tree you're going to be really disappointed.
LOL well played. STAKE
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DePaul logs another win.
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DePaul vs. Chicago State with Dickey Simpkins as analyst.
Can televised sport get any worse than that?
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DePaul vs. Chicago State with Dickey Simpkins as analyst.
Can televised sport get any worse than that?
My near exact thoughts when I saw the team combos and Dickey's voice when ai tuned to FS1.
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Nm
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If you are hoping to grow a Filet Mignon tree you're going to be really disappointed.
Post of the week!
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Pre conference results are kinda interesting. Seems a bit flipped around with MU, Georetown and DePaul in the top half ATM. Means nothing I know.
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Pre conference results are kinda interesting. Seems a bit flipped around with MU, Georetown and DePaul in the top half ATM. Means nothing I know.
It could mean something, but it doesn't. Marquette is good. The other two you mention..
DePaul has a win against KenPom #42 Penn State. That was a home, overtime win. After that, their next best win was against #274. In other words, they've done nothing.
Georgetown's top win was at home against #87 Liberty. Again, nothing, nada.
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I predict DePaul wins at least 5 games this year in BE.
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Devin Gage is pretty good. Strus is solid. If they get a couple guys have a good day, they can beat most teams in conference. Just won’t be able to do it consistently (see Northwestern game).
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I predict DePaul wins at least 5 games this year in BE.
In this year's iteration of the Big East 5 wins = "so what". Every team may win 5 this year.
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In this year's iteration of the Big East 5 wins = "so what". Every team may win 5 this year.
Think it is highly likely every team will win 5 games in the Big East this season. League probably won't have any KenPom Top 25 teams in it by season's end. All teams ranked between 20 and 94 at present. Nothing like the old Big East when Crean/Buzz were here.
Looks like Wisconsin will have been our most prestigious win for the season, and I'm guessing they end up around 25 in Ken Pom.
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Think it is highly likely every team will win 5 games in the Big East this season. League probably won't have any KenPom Top 25 teams in it by season's end. All teams ranked between 20 and 94 at present. Nothing like the old Big East when Crean/Buzz were here. LAST SEASON when fully 5 teams finished in the Top 30 including the national champion. ::)
Looks like Wisconsin will have been our most prestigious win for the season, and I'm guessing they end up around 25 in Ken Pom.
FIFY.
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Yeah, Ners is pretty predictable. This conference has been great. It's a down year and yeah it's not as top heavy as it used to be. But there are 0 teams outside the top 100. In our BE title year of 2013, SEVEN of our 14 conference wins came against teams outside the Kenpom top 100.
Our best non conference win that year was Wisconsin at home. They finished the year ranked 12th. This year, they are ranked 13th.
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Anyways, back to Big East non-conference play. A couple easy games today for the conference then a fun Saturday tomorrow.
Today:
UIC @ DePaul
GB @ Creighton
Tomorrow:
SMU @ Georgetown
Villanova @ Kansas
Rutgers @ Seton Hall
Butler vs. Indiana
EKU @ Xavier
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The stage is set. Marquette wins the Big East, oh well the BE is down. Marquette doesn't win the BE, then Wojo can't even win a down BE!
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The stage is set. Marquette wins the Big East, oh well the BE is down. Marquette doesn't win the BE, then Wojo can't even win a down BE!
The reality is that Wojo's peak or near peak team (next year may well be better) has hit during what is inarguably a down year in the Big East. This is a great opportunity for us. Makes sense to enjoy it and not guess (then complain about) what certain posters' narratives will be when the season is over. I will be disappointed, given the opportunity, if we don't grab the Big East title this year. There are a million reason why that may not happen (primarily injuries to key personnel, bad luck in a couple key games, Villanova reasserting itself as Villanova), but it won't mean Wojo is not on the right track. It's good to have high expectations and it is not the end of the world if they are not met in any particular year. You don't worry until there is a pattern.
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FIFY.
The thing I like about beating #12 ranked teams on back-to-back weekends, besides the obvious, is that it results in 90% less Ners. But, every once in the while he still feels compelled to come into a thread for the sole purpose of pissing on Wojo.
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Anyways, back to Big East non-conference play. A couple easy games today for the conference then a fun Saturday tomorrow.
Today:
UIC @ DePaul
GB @ Creighton
Tomorrow:
SMU @ Georgetown
Villanova @ Kansas
Rutgers @ Seton Hall
Butler vs. Indiana
EKU @ Xavier
As many posters pointed out after our Louisville ans K-State wins, it's important to build upon marquee wins. I don't think Rutgers is very good, but they gave the badgers a pretty good run, and only trailed MSU by 6 with 5 minutes left. I would be pretty disappointed if SH drops this one. And those crossroad classic games are always fun.
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As many posters pointed out after our Louisville ans K-State wins, it's important to build upon marquee wins. I don't think Rutgers is very good, but they gave the badgers a pretty good run, and only trailed MSU by 6 with 5 minutes left. I would be pretty disappointed if SH drops this one. And those crossroad classic games are always fun.
Jordan Tucker making his debut for Butler in Crossroads classic.
Very good research report on Tucker:
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2018/12/13/duke-transfer-jordan-tucker-make-butler-basketball-debut-vs-iu/2282117002/
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FIFY.
This right here.... SO great.
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Jordan Tucker making his debut for Butler in Crossroads classic.
Very good research report on Tucker:
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2018/12/13/duke-transfer-jordan-tucker-make-butler-basketball-debut-vs-iu/2282117002/
Forgot they are adding him to the roster. A difference maker. He is going to make them a threat to win the BE.
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Anyways, back to Big East non-conference play. A couple easy games today for the conference then a fun Saturday tomorrow.
Today:
UIC @ DePaul
GB @ Creighton
Tomorrow:
SMU @ Georgetown
Villanova @ Kansas
Rutgers @ Seton Hall
Butler vs. Indiana
EKU @ Xavier
Nova could certainly use a big win.
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3 of 5 tomorrow would be... minimally acceptable, but still slightly disappointing. (how wishy-washy is that for an opinion?) Taking 4 of 5 would be quite good though.
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Yeah, Ners is pretty predictable. This conference has been great. It's a down year and yeah it's not as top heavy as it used to be. But there are 0 teams outside the top 100. In our BE title year of 2013, SEVEN of our 14 conference wins came against teams outside the Kenpom top 100.
Our best non conference win that year was Wisconsin at home. They finished the year ranked 12th. This year, they are ranked 13th.
Big East has been good since Buzz left. It's poor this year. It happens. Is what it is.
In the Year 2013, we beat the End of season (which is real barometer of quality of team), teams ranked 12, 16, 11, 11, 9 in the regular season and 13th ranked team in Sweet 16, Miami, FL
Reality is, we won't have any such Top 15 victories this season due to the down quality of Big East.
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The thing I like about beating #12 ranked teams on back-to-back weekends, besides the obvious, is that it results in 90% less Ners. But, every once in the while he still feels compelled to come into a thread for the sole purpose of pissing on Wojo.
The Big East is substantially down this year. Do you disagree? If not, then stop being your usual argumentative self.
I'm glad we beat (as projected to do) at the time Number 12 K-State and Wisconsin. Hopefully those two teams stand up and prove to be Top 15-25 caliber by end of the season. It's unfortunate we won't get a chance to rack up many/if any Top 25 wins in our conference this year.
That's not pissing on Wojo.
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Big East has been good since Buzz left. It's poor this year. It happens. Is what it is.
In the Year 2013, we beat the End of season (which is real barometer of quality of team), teams ranked 12, 16, 11, 11, 9 in the regular season and 13th ranked team in Sweet 16, Miami, FL
Reality is, we won't have any such Top 15 victories this season due to the down quality of Big East.
1. Wisconsin could easily stay within the top 15. Villanova could turn it around and get back there. You could be right, but you're stating your opinion as fact. As of now, we do have a top 15 victory.
2. My point was not that the Big East wasn't down at the top. I acknowledged the Big East's top is weaker in my initial post. My point was that SEVEN of our conference wins in 2013 were against teams OUTSIDE the top 100. This year, no Big East team is outside the top 100. DePaul could end the year there. Nobody else will. The bottom of the conference is much improved.
A 14-4 record in this Big East would be almost as impressive as a 14-4 record in that Big East. The reality is we were only 7-4 against top 100 competition in conference in 2013.
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Villanova is not solid like a top 25 team needs to be.
Their good coach will keep them in the top 4 of the BE and in the tourney.
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3 of 5 tomorrow would be... minimally acceptable, but still slightly disappointing. (how wishy-washy is that for an opinion?) Taking 4 of 5 would be quite good though.
These 5 games are not created equally. I may take 1 of 5 if it's Nova. Although that's from a perception standpoint instead of a numbers one.
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DePaul with a decisive win over UIC. Creighton up 12 over Sandy Cohen and Green Bay with 6 minutes left.
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Anyone see the Marquette fans sitting directly behind the Kansas bench? Love the representation ;D
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'Nova tied the game with 6 seconds left in the half, but sent Kansas to the line to take a slim 33-31 lead into halftime. Feel like 'Nova is a bit lucky to be this close.
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'Nova tied the game with 6 seconds left in the half, but sent Kansas to the line to take a slim 33-31 lead into halftime. Feel like 'Nova is a bit lucky to be this close.
They can't stop Lawson. Every KU possession should include a Lawson touch.
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'Nova tied the game with 6 seconds left in the half, but sent Kansas to the line to take a slim 33-31 lead into halftime. Feel like 'Nova is a bit lucky to be this close.
Steal one at the end.
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SMU up 8 over Georgetown 14 min left second half.
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Villanova is not solid like a top 25 team needs to be.
Their good coach will keep them in the top 4 of the BE and in the tourney.
Two straight top 12 recruiting classes will also likely help. Players play
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Nova up 51-49, 10 minutes left in the 2nd half. Kansas headed to the line for 3 free throws.
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Kansas won at home 74-71 over Villanova
Georgetown lost at home to SMU
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Close loss for Nova. They’re an overall solid team but nowhere near the teams from the last 3-4 years. My guess is they’ll be in the 4-6 seed territory. Nobody other than Booth could make a shot down the stretch when they needed it.
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Solid research report on Seton Hall Rutgers rivalry developing.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/12/13/rutgers-seton-hall-basketball/2298319002/
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Check out this dunk from Max Strus from DePaul last night, knew he could really score but didn’t know he could dunk like this
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1073774749308895232?s=21
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Ya, I saw that last night. He got a tech on that play as well. I thought that walk on water boy guy was peeing his shorts on that dunk.
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DePaul with a decisive win over UIC. Creighton up 12 over Sandy Cohen and Green Bay with 6 minutes left.
Side note about that game, Sandy is doing really well but I was shocked to see that UW-Green Bay actually put a guy into the NBA, playing on the Warriors: Alfonzo McKinnie.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mckinal01.html
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Ya, I saw that last night. He got a tech on that play as well. I thought that walk on water boy guy was peeing his shorts on that dunk.
I'm pretty sure he shows up at shoot-around in that condition.
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Side note about that game, Sandy is doing really well but I was shocked to see that UW-Green Bay actually put a guy into the NBA, playing on the Warriors: Alfonzo McKinnie.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mckinal01.html
Wow, that is shocking. He was a Wardle guy that graduated in 2015 then bounced around Europe and the G-League a couple years. Low efficiency, 4th scoring option on a NIT team. Not the kind you expect to ever make it to the League.
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Check out this dunk from Max Strus from DePaul last night, knew he could really score but didn’t know he could dunk like this
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1073774749308895232?s=21
Based on the reaction, neither did Pantelis Xidias
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/12/depaul-bench-has-outrageously-crazy-reaction-to-impressive-dunk
(https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/12/depaul-bench-has-outrageously-crazy-reaction-to-impressive-dunk)
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Based on the reaction, neither did Pantelis Xidias
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/12/depaul-bench-has-outrageously-crazy-reaction-to-impressive-dunk
(https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/12/depaul-bench-has-outrageously-crazy-reaction-to-impressive-dunk)
Pantelis Xidias is an asset to the DePaul program right now.
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That's not a good loss for Georgetown
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Gtown is garbage. They have been bad for years now. No real top recruits.either coming in. I don't see much to look forward to. Very sad to see.
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Wow, that is shocking. He was a Wardle guy that graduated in 2015 then bounced around Europe and the G-League a couple years. Low efficiency, 4th scoring option on a NIT team. Not the kind you expect to ever make it to the League.
Especially as a regular contributor on the best team in the NBA, guy really beat the odds
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Seton Hall beat Rutgers. Well fought game. Sellout crowd. I am really enjoying the performance of Myles Powell so far this season.
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So what is the BEAST record vs the B1G head to head this year now?
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So what is the BEAST record vs the B1G head to head this year now?
By my count, 5-8. That doesn't include Butler who is currently leading IU in the Crossroads Classic. Everyone has played at least 1 Big 10 team (including this Butler game). The only undefeated teams are St. John's and Georgetown, both 1-0. Everyone else has at least one loss to the Big 10.
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Butler up 38-34 over Indiana at half.
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Butler loses to Indiana. Hometown kid hits 30 footer at buzzer
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Butler loses to Indiana. Hometown kid hits 30 footer at buzzer
Hoosiers bailed out by bad execution coming out of time out, but huge shot
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Heartbreaking. Kid is turning to his right and to make it that far away. :'(
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Gotta say if I were neutral, that game deserved OT. Heartbreaking from a Beast perspective.
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Woof. Butler up 9 with about 9 minutes left. Next 5 minutes was a 9-0 run for Indiana. Phinese made a real tough game winner.
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Indiana didn't lead until after the under-4 timeout. Butler was in control most of the way but had poor offensive execution at the end. Kamar Baldwin hasn't yet adjusted to being "the guy" for them. He's been great in wins but bad in their losses and today was no exception. Had a pretty layup to tie it late, but forced it and turned it over too much. They need someone to emerge as a fourth scorer. Maybe Tucker can be that guy.
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Not a good day for the Big East...
- Georgetown loses to SMU.
- Villanova loses to Kansas.
- Butler loses to Indiana at the buzzer.
- Seton Hall beats Rutgers.
- Xavier struggled early with Eastern Kentucky, but establishing a double-digit lead going into halftime.
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At least we weren't the Pac 12 today. Lord.
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At least we weren't the Pac 12 today. Lord.
Yep. That conference is struggling this year. UCLA loses at home to Belmont by 2 after going 12-28 from the free throw line. brutal.
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Free throws no matta
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Indiana didn't lead until after the under-4 timeout. Butler was in control most of the way but had poor offensive execution at the end. Kamar Baldwin hasn't yet adjusted to being "the guy" for them. He's been great in wins but bad in their losses and today was no exception. Had a pretty layup to tie it late, but forced it and turned it over too much. They need someone to emerge as a fourth scorer. Maybe Tucker can be that guy.
Paint Touches had a couple interesting tweets about Butler consistent with your observation. Baldwin is Butler's only rotation player with an ORtg under 100, but his usage is over 30%. Only two other BEast players have had that combo statistically in the last 11 years, and they were in 2009 and 2010. Neither of those teams (UConn and DePaul) made the tourney. I venture to guess neither of those teams had the same quality around them that Butler seems to have.
It will be interesting to see how Butler evolves through the course of the season. Seems to be potential there, but some re-shuffling may be needed usage wise.
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Providence and The 10-0 Johnnies won today. Will be interesting to see where Villanova is in polls.
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Providence and The 10-0 Johnnies won today. Will be interesting to see where Villanova is in polls.
They won't be in the polls.
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The Johnnies get no respect in the Polls. Someone keeps voting for Butler in the AP
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The Johnnies get no respect in the Polls. Someone keeps voting for Butler in the AP
Havent beat anyone notable
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Havent beat anyone notable
And have struggled beating some of their non-notable opponents. To be fair, they are missing one of their only big men. He didn't show much in the two games he played in but may make a difference down the stretch.
It is interesting that they are the only unbeaten not in the top 25...but mid majors Nevada/Buffalo and low major Furman have made it in.
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And have struggled beating some of their non-notable opponents. To be fair, they are missing one of their only big men. He didn't show much in the two games he played in but may make a difference down the stretch.
It is interesting that they are the only unbeaten not in the top 25...but mid majors Nevada/Buffalo and low major Furman have made it in.
Buffalo won a big game on the road against WV and also took down San Fran on neutral.
Nevada beat ASU and South Dakota.
Furman beat Nova and Loyola on the road.
I just don't see a resume win for SJU that beats any of those. Rutgers is about the best true road win.
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Buffalo won a big game on the road against WV and also took down San Fran on neutral.
Nevada beat ASU and South Dakota.
Furman beat Nova and Loyola on the road.
I just don't see a resume win for SJU that beats any of those. Rutgers is about the best true road win.
I don't disagree. I just think its funny that a high major unbeaten is left out when two mid major and low majors unbeatens are ranked.
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I don't d
Is St johns really a high major.. idk
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Is St johns really a high major.. idk
Unless you're one of those Bucky fans who thinks the Big East isn't a high major than yes they are a high major
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Unless you're one of those Bucky fans who thinks the Big East isn't a high major than yes they are a high major
I think there may be some gray area. Like some high major conferences may have a few mid major teams, and some mid major conferences may have some high major teams. Is UConn a high major? Cincy? Tulane? Zaga? San Fran?
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I think there may be some gray area. Like some high major conferences may have a few mid major teams, and some mid major conferences may have some high major teams. Is UConn a high major? Cincy? Tulane? Zaga? San Fran?
High major/mid major are conference designations. St John's is a high major. Gonzaga is a mid major. They are still a top 10-15 program because of what Few has done, but they are a mid major because of their league.
The American is kind of nebulous. If the Pac-12 is high major, I feel like the American has to be, but it's the gray area between the Pac-12 and A-10.
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Lots of conference action tonight. Xavier, Butler , Georgetown, Creighton, MU , and Cooley and Company . Xavier Missouri and Creighton Oklahoma are opportunities for the league to put some quality road wins on the resume.
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Summabitch, looks like FS1 is showing the Butler game tonight and MU is on FS North. Might have to try the FoxSportsGo app.
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Summabitch, looks like FS1 is showing the Butler game tonight and MU is on FS North. Might have to try the FoxSportsGo app.
Chicagoans: it's on UTOO. 230 on comcast. See this one for other info: http://www.wciu.com/files/channel_grid.pdf (http://www.wciu.com/files/channel_grid.pdf)
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Summabitch, looks like FS1 is showing the Butler game tonight and MU is on FS North. Might have to try the FoxSportsGo app.
I'm not seeing it listed on the Fox Sports Go app either. What the...
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Summabitch, looks like FS1 is showing the Butler game tonight and MU is on FS North. Might have to try the FoxSportsGo app.
Doh. Perhaps my misunderstanding (for the header listing fs1). I thought I saw it there, but that was 10 days ago, so I can't be blamed for not remembering to double check :-)
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Doh. Perhaps my misunderstanding (for the header listing fs1). I thought I saw it there, but that was 10 days ago, so I can't be blamed for not remembering to double check :-)
Bummed. Based on that list looks like I can't watch tonight.
I'll may have to just look for the MU logo in the Curse of Oak Island instead?!?
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I'm not seeing it listed on the Fox Sports Go app either. What the...
Bummed. Based on that list looks like I can't watch tonight.
I'll may have to just look for the MU logo in the Curse of Oak Island instead?!?
There is a replay of the game at 4 am Eastern on the Yes Network. Here is the Link on Fox Sports Go
https://www.foxsportsgo.com/program/498888/college-basketball-north-dakota-at-marquette
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Georgetown won. Providence winning. Xavier getting spanked on the road at Mizzou.
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Butler hanging by a thread vs Presbyterian.
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Butler up 11 now. Presbyterian is not a total dog.
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Oklahoma up 8 at home over Creighton 2 minutes left. I think Creighton's younger players are getting better as the season goes on.
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The Johnnies move to 11-0 with a win over St Francis . Seton Hall notches another win over Quincy McKnights old school Sacred Heart.
DePaul up 6 over Incarnate Word 16 minutes left.
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Creighton playing D3 Coe College tonight.
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Providence over Texas in Austin.
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Providence over Texas in Austin.
Cooley and Company redeemed themselves.
Xavier and Butler won so a solid Big East night
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...and Butler beat the Anteaters (UC-Irvine).
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Gtown D is no bueno. Pick it up in the 2nd half.
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Interesting. Kentucky/Seton Hall get 10k at MSG. Villanova/UConn is sold out 18k at MSG.
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Georgetown and Little Rock on Overtime
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Villanova with a 19-0 run. Up by 20 points late.
Georgetown wins 102-94.
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Georgetown wins 102-94.
Mac McClung goes for 38 but Georgetown needed OT against the team picked for 12th in the Sun Belt this year.
Hoyas have just one win this season of more than 10 points.
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Mac McClung goes for 38 but Georgetown needed OT against the team picked for 12th in the Sun Belt this year.
Hoyas have just one win this season of more than 10 points.
We are happy they are putting up the wins.
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45 foot, bank in three for Little Rock forced overtime. Give credit to the Hoyas to regroup and win it going away.
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45 foot, bank in three for Little Rock forced overtime. Give credit to the Hoyas to regroup and win it going away.
Why do teams even allow this. Foul them before they even have the chance. Ugh
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Interesting. Kentucky/Seton Hall get 10k at MSG. Villanova/UConn is sold out 18k at MSG.
UConn has always traveled very well. And I'm not talking about steps the players take without dribbling.
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UConn has always traveled very well. And I'm not talking about steps the players take without dribbling.
Games like that further the UConn wanderlust for all things Big East. Next four home games for the Huskies?
Central Florida
SMU
Tulane
Wichita State
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Villanova is not going to go quietly in the BE. With Gillespie out today Quinerly got a lot of time and I'd assume his confidence (and Jay's confidence in him) will grow quite a bit. Creamo finally hit some shots too. By mid BE play I think they'll be playing like a top 20 team again.
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Villanova is not going to go quietly in the BE. With Gillespie out today Quinerly got a lot of time and I'd assume his confidence (and Jay's confidence in him) will grow quite a bit. Creamo finally hit some shots too. By mid BE play I think they'll be playing like a top 20 team again.
Yup. The BEast regular season title still goes through Nova until someone proves otherwise. Hopefully we will bring the proof.
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Yup. The BEast regular season title still goes through Nova until someone proves otherwise. Hopefully we will bring the proof.
They aren't even the reigning regular season champs
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Interesting. Kentucky/Seton Hall get 10k at MSG. Villanova/UConn is sold out 18k at MSG.
Brad Nessler might have jump the gun on the sell out. 16,027. Needless to say very nice crowd at MSG.
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DePaul Boston college is some ugly basketball.
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DePaul Boston college is some ugly basketball.
We need DePaul to hang on and win it they are 3 with 3:49 left
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They aren't even the reigning regular season champs
But were the best team last year and probably the best this year. Hoping I am wrong about this year.
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That's the most DePaul way to lose a game ever.
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And DePaul blows it against BC.
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Wow—DePaul should be investigated for that debacle.
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And DePaul blows it against BC.
Wow—DePaul should be investigated for that debacle.
Practically a home game for BC seemed like all their Chicago area alumni were there.
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I think the league is going to be better than some folks expect. We'll see how good the Johnnies are on New Years; but Providence, Nova, and Seton Hall are going to be tough outs and Butler always seems to beat any team with Marquette on its Jersey.
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I think the league is going to be better than some folks expect. We'll see how good the Johnnies are on New Years; but Providence, Nova, and Seton Hall are going to be tough outs and Butler always seems to beat any team with Marquette on its Jersey.
It’s going to be a dogfight for sure, but unfortunately the league as a whole missed on a lot of noncon opportunities that in the past they've capitalized on. Which might mean that at least one of these teams might not hear their name called on selection Sunday.
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I think the league is going to be better than some folks expect. We'll see how good the Johnnies are on New Years; but Providence, Nova, and Seton Hall are going to be tough outs and Butler always seems to beat any team with Marquette on its Jersey.
Butler has another game on the road with Florida, who they beat at a neutral site game earlier. They have Jordan Tucker eligible now and he has been steadily building some momentum . If Butler can pull off that road win for the league it would be helpful.
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Seton Hall gonna pick up a nice road win
Complete joke this Maryland team was ranked at one point.
But good win for the Hall
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Seton Hall finishes off Maryland. I have to give Kevin Willard credit, I didn't think he was capable of keeping things going without that senior class. Powell and Mamu have been good, and there's been enough supporting cast to put together a decent non-con. They should be in the mix for a bid come March. I didn't expect that.
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Seton Hall finishes off Maryland. I have to give Kevin Willard credit, I didn't think he was capable of keeping things going without that senior class. Powell and Mamu have been good, and there's been enough supporting cast to put together a decent non-con. They should be in the mix for a bid come March. I didn't expect that.
Part of that supporting cast has been a young man named Quincy McKnight who has been a steady presence at point guard and a very solid defender.
The Big East has three of the best guards in the country in Ponds, Powell and Markus. Is going to be a fun series of games when they match up.
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So in the last 24 hours....
Providence wins at Texas
Seton Hall wins at Maryland
Marquette beats #14 Buffalo
Villanova bombs UConn at MSG
DePaul craps it pants in the final 2 minutes versus Boston College. Thanks, DePaul.
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Part of that supporting cast has been a young man named Quincy McKnight who has been a steady presence at point guard and a very solid defender.
4th best player on a middle of the pack Big East team. Exactly where he was projected to be.
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4th best player on a middle of the pack Big East team. Exactly where he was projected to be.
Seton Hall has proven they are more than a middle of the pack Big East team . They have put many high quality wins on the board . McKnight was ripped by some people and I think he has proven he is a bona fide Big East level starter.
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Seton Hall has proven they are more than a middle of the pack Big East team . They have put many high quality wins on the board . McKnight was ripped by some people and I think he has proven he is a bona fide Big East level starter.
Right now they are 6th in the Big East in Pomeroy ......7th in NET(before win vs Maryland).
I think they are a little better then that but still likely middle of the pack .....4-6th seems likely.
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Seton Hall has proven they are more than a middle of the pack Big East team . They have put many high quality wins on the board . McKnight was ripped by some people and I think he has proven he is a bona fide Big East level starter.
Who ripped him?
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Who ripped him?
Acknowledging that he was a high usage, low efficiency player at a bad low major I'm sure was "ripping him" even though it was just reality.
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The Johnnies are now 12-0 after routing Sacred Heart at home. Their final non conference game will be at Duke later in the season.
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The Johnnies are now 12-0 after routing Sacred Heart at home. Their final non conference game will be at Duke later in the season.
SJU has only one, if that, quality win over VCU. The rest of their schedule has been a slew of major cupcakes and thats why they are not ranked.
Yesterday against the mighty Sacred Heart, they got out rebounded 40-29. Their biggest man, Clarke, is 6ft 7 and he likes to stay outside the lane and shoot threes. Lets see how they do in an away game against Seton Hall next week.
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Good for St. John's. Herman, the voters look at their schedule and shrug. OOC is a joke and they, like MU during Henry's season, may find that 20 wins with that schedule will not translate to a tournament bid.
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Good for St. John's. Herman, the voters look at their schedule and shrug. OOC is a joke and they, like MU during Henry's season, may find that 20 wins with that schedule will not translate to a tournament bid.
St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.
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Good for St. John's. Herman, the voters look at their schedule and shrug. OOC is a joke and they, like MU during Henry's season, may find that 20 wins with that schedule will not translate to a tournament bid.
I think it is ok that The Johnnies followed the schedule strategy of Henry’s season . It is important for their program for the fans and the team to be having fun , which is the case right now. They have a lot of conference games at Carnesecca Arena so that positive energy should continue. I guess the question is can they 10 games in conference plus a BET.
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So in the last 24 hours....
Providence wins at Texas
Seton Hall wins at Maryland
Marquette beats #14 Buffalo
Villanova bombs UConn at MSG
DePaul craps it pants in the final 2 minutes versus Boston College. Thanks, DePaul.
DePaul, in fairness, got hosed on that Strus foul in the last minute. Looked like a clean block on replay.
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Big East Rated 3rd Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
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Big East Rated 3rd Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
The ACC is the 5th best conference? #Fake News
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Big East Rated 3rd Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
And this is why RPI is a dead metric.
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Big East Rated 3rd Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
In that rating system the ACC has 6 teams ranked 90th or worse. Big East has 3. That’s what is pulling it down. The ACC will have a tough time being the best conference as will other mega conferences because their cream of the crop is pulled down by some bad teams, too.
Depends how you judge a conference....only the top or the entire thing.
Sagarin has ACC 3rd, Big East 5th. That feels more right to me.
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St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.
Dumb
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Dumb
Based on this analysis, I'm gonna assume Brew is right and adjust my expectations for SJU accordingly.
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I reject the idea that "we have no idea" about St. John's. We know plenty.
Small - especially up front (won't OR, but have been solid with blocking out and limiting second chances of others thus far -- their defensive OR% will trend in a negative way as the season progresses); lack depth, LJF is good.
Ponds can be a game changer... but the main thing for me re: StJ is they need to shoot the ball well. Their offense carries them and there will be night's they get beat up pretty bad because they're not hitting shots. There may be a couple of night's where they look like world-beaters as well. (We've been there).
Like years past, they're an interesting team, but I don't think they can be a great team this season.
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I reject the idea that "we have no idea" about St. John's. We know plenty.
I would also add they turn people over a lot and don't turn it over themselves. Scares me at MSG the way we handle the ball at times.
oops: looks like we play at Carnesecca for that game.
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I reject the idea that "we have no idea" about St. John's. We know plenty.
Small - especially up front (won't OR, but have been solid with blocking out and limiting second chances of others thus far -- their defensive OR% will trend in a negative way as the season progresses); lack depth, LJF is good.
Ponds can be a game changer... but the main thing for me re: StJ is they need to shoot the ball well. Their offense carries them and there will be night's they get beat up pretty bad because they're not hitting shots. There may be a couple of night's where they look like world-beaters as well. (We've been there).
Like years past, they're an interesting team, but I don't think they can be a great team this season.
Agreed. Ponds & Heron will win them some games, but there are some serious question marks as well.
Another problem for the Johnnies is the Big East being down. Between their soft non-con and a down Big East, they probably need to win 23-24 games to get an at-large bid. That likely means at least 11-7 in league play just to be on the bubble.
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Agreed. Ponds & Heron will win them some games, but there are some serious question marks as well.
Another problem for the Johnnies is the Big East being down. Between their soft non-con and a down Big East, they probably need to win 23-24 games to get an at-large bid. That likely means at least 11-7 in league play just to be on the bubble.
Normally I'd agree but check the bubble resumes this year. A lot of bad out of conference performances. Lunardi has UCF, USF, Utah State, Minnesota, Ole Miss all in as of today. Some really poor resumes are going to get in.
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I guess we will see. I think basketball comes sown to matchups imo. Wben sju rolls out ponds, heron, simon , figueroa and clark. I think those guys are gonna win there maychups by a 3-2 or 4-1 margin most nights. 5 high high major players, recall clark was at mich state and simon at arizona both big time recruits n old men now
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MSK, you seem like a big St. John fan. Are you as active on their board?
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I guess we will see. I think basketball comes sown to matchups imo. Wben sju rolls out ponds, heron, simon , figueroa and clark. I think those guys are gonna win there maychups by a 3-2 or 4-1 margin most nights. 5 high high major players, recall clark was at mich state and simon at arizona both big time recruits n old men now
Actually Clark was a pretty meh recruit by Michigan State standards. 3-star ranked in the high 100s or low 200s by most services.
I agree with your general premise, they have 5 very talented players on their roster. I'm just not sure how those 5 pieces fit together. If Mullin can figure it out, they could challenge for the Big East crown.
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MSK, you seem like a big St. John fan. Are you as active on their board?
Not at all. But they are very talented and we have posters that say they are no good and their schedule proves it.
Huh?!?
They undressed a few times so i would think they would garner more respect from MU as similar to us they have some transfers are no longer one of the youngest teams in the league.
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Acknowledging that he was a high usage, low efficiency player at a bad low major I'm sure was "ripping him" even though it was just reality.
agreed, and I said that could be directed at me in response to the Value Add projections - which had him low. All I pointed out at the time is that the projections simply say "here is how valuable he was last year, and typically a rising senior/junior/sophomore at that VAlue Add moves up this much. I do adjust if a player is drawing NBA attention,but if I tried eyeballing and subjectively adjusting players it would just be random on who I happened to watch and what I believed. Glad he is doing great though in a year that the Big East is a little down due to all the talent that left.
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Not at all. But they are very talented and we have posters that say they are no good and their schedule proves it.
Huh?!?
They undressed a few times so i would think they would garner more respect from MU as similar to us they have some transfers are no longer one of the youngest teams in the league.
I said they look like a paper tiger and feel that's an easily defensible position. Their advanced ratings have dropped continuously and they've struggled against bad teams. That's because for the most part, they've only played bad teams. If they are narrowly beating teams in the 75-200 range, that would indicate they are barely better than teams in the 75-200 range.
If they're actually that good, they need to beat someone to prove it. If they start 2-0 in Big East play, then maybe they're as good as their results.
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Not at all. But they are very talented and we have posters that say they are no good and their schedule proves it.
Huh?!?
They undressed a few times so i would think they would garner more respect from MU as similar to us they have some transfers are no longer one of the youngest teams in the league.
Gotcha. I agree, they are good. I look forward, however, to going to their place and getting a W to establish the Big East pecking order immediately and getting our first road win out of the way.
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SJU starters:
Clarke 6ft 7
Simon 6ft 5
Figueroa 6 ft 6
Heron 6ft 5
Ponds 6ft 1
They play two guys off the bench, Dixon at 6ft 1 and Trimble at 6ft 3.
If Clarke gets in foul trouble or even Simon/Figueroa, they have serious, serious issues.
MU has Sam, Bailey, Theo, Joey, Morrow and Heldt who are all taller and Cain is probably even. Clarke likes to play outside and that leaves no one underneath for them. Foul trouble or not, Wojo probably pounds ball inside to take the extreme advantage in height.
SJU advantages are they are very athletic, like to play fast transition and Ponds can just go outright nuts on occasions.
Looking forward to how SJU plays against Seton Hall and we should all know more about how it will go against MU.
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Normally I'd agree but check the bubble resumes this year. A lot of bad out of conference performances. Lunardi has UCF, USF, Utah State, Minnesota, Ole Miss all in as of today. Some really poor resumes are going to get in.
I'm actually going through resumes today. The bubble will be interesting. Everyone also thought it would be soft last year but it ended up pretty firm. There were probably 8-10 teams in the mix for the last couple spots.
I'll admit, I'm curious how Lunardi is determining auto-bids. Not sure why he'd have Oregon in over ASU, St. Louis in over VCU, or Villanova over Marquette. And looking at the resumes of teams like Vandy, Clemson, and St. Louis, there are definitely some sketchy looking resumes near the cutline.
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I'm actually going through resumes today. The bubble will be interesting. Everyone also thought it would be soft last year but it ended up pretty firm. There were probably 8-10 teams in the mix for the last couple spots.
I'll admit, I'm curious how Lunardi is determining auto-bids. Not sure why he'd have Oregon in over ASU, St. Louis in over VCU, or Villanova over Marquette. And looking at the resumes of teams like Vandy, Clemson, and St. Louis, there are definitely some sketchy looking resumes near the cutline.
Do you think there is a possibly all of the prognosticators may be off since this is the first year of the NET tool?
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Do you think there is a possibly all of the prognosticators may be off since this is the first year of the NET tool?
The implementation of the NET will be very interesting. I'm doing a S-Curve right now. A few things are tough to decide. When it comes to Selection Sunday, everyone will have the auto-bids right, but at this point, is it more prudent to go with the prediction models like Pomeroy or the NET rankings that can be drastically different? How much will the NET impact seeding?
Houston is a great example. If you follow Pomeroy, Cincinnati is the favorite to win the American, but the NET has Houston ahead. Not only ahead, but currently the undefeated Cougars are 5th in the NET. Are they a 2-seed autobid or a 9-seed at-large (35th in Pomeroy)? The truth is probably somewhere in between.
So far, the highest NET team I have out of the field is #41 Vanderbilt. The highest kenpom team I have out of the field is #32 Maryland. Most bids is the Big 10 with 9.
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Ponds can be a game changer... but the main thing for me re: StJ is they need to shoot the ball well. Their offense carries them and there will be night's they get beat up pretty bad because they're not hitting shots. There may be a couple of night's where they look like world-beaters as well.
nights
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Creighton picked up a win tonight versus UMKC. The Blue Jays ended up 9-4 non conference .
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Georgetown ends up 10-3 in non conference with win over Howard.
Butler has a big opportunity on the road against Florida.
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Georgetown ends up 10-3 in non conference with win over Howard.
Butler has a big opportunity on the road against Florida.
Giving up a 15-0 start not great for Butler
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make that 21-0 at the 13 minutemark for florida
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Giving up a 15-0 start not great for Butler
21-0 Florida over Butler with 12 minutes to play in half. Hopefully they can drive a few yards to setup a fg and get some points before the half
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Gator hoops hyped off the big football win today.
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This Butler game is embarrassing. Florida is treating them like a buy team. 36-12 with about 5 minutes left in the first half.
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You got to wonder the mindset. Butler already beat Florida this season. Now, just after Christmas break flying across the country. Florida wanted payback.
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After Butler loss Big East 95-31 non conference with one more game later in season . St Johns vs Duke.
Overall , while not up to prior years , it was a solid performance for the league .
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After Butler loss Big East 95-31 non conference with one more game later in season . St Johns vs Duke.
Overall , while not up to prior years , it was a solid performance for the league .
This is in line with previous years % wise...but different teams carrying the load. Not bad for a “down year”
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St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.
Well they have lost twice now, so ur probably right
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Well they have lost twice now, so ur probably right
They've been better in their Big East losses than they were in their non-con wins. I've been impressed by them the last two weeks. Still an erratic team, but they do look like a NCAA team. They'll lose some they shouldn't, but should win enough to get in.
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St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.
Not aging well
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Not aging well
I give people applauds for putting their opinion out there. No one is perfect.
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Not aging well
I'd have a modicum of respect for you if you would've acknowledged how bad your take looked when SJU was 3-5 in league with home losses to Georgetown and DePaul. But you didn't.
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Hear ye hear ye
My take hasnt changed. Do u want me to post that every 2-3 games? , weekly?
Dont take it out on me that a ludicrous post still looks that way
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Hear ye hear ye
My take hasnt changed. Do u want me to post that every 2-3 games? , weekly?
Dont take it out on me that a ludicrous post still looks that way
They didn't look good. They lost to DePaul. A week ago they were 5-6 in league and had just lost in blowout fashion to Providence. I'm not sure they have changed that significantly in the past week.
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Mercurial for sure but arguably the most talented team in BE. Were always gonna finish higher than bottom 3.
2 maybe 3 wins from dancing
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Mercurial for sure but arguably the most talented team in BE. Were always gonna finish higher than bottom 3.
2 maybe 3 wins from dancing
I agree. St. John's is the ultimate enigma. 3-1 against Marquette and Villanova, 4-5 against the rest of the Big East.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17. Butler is going to be an interesting case for the committee.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
20 19 Villanova
46 49 St. John's (NY)
49 54 Butler
60 61 Seton Hall
63 59 Creighton
79 79 Georgetown
85 74 Providence
95 104 Xavier
100 91 DePaul
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As of right now, most brackets have Seton Hall in (and surprisingly fairly comfortably so) and Butler out.
Looks like StJ would have to totally fall apart to screw it up for themselves.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17. Butler is going to be an interesting case for the committee.
New Old
19 20 Marquette
20 19 Villanova
46 49 St. John's (NY)
49 54 Butler
60 61 Seton Hall
63 59 Creighton
79 79 Georgetown
85 74 Providence
95 104 Xavier
100 91 DePaul
Indeed.
As of the update this morning, they went from first four out to just barely in on Bracketmatrix. When I say barely... I mean... like, you can't get it any closer. Only one extra bracket projection put them there and 4 schools on the outside of the bubble have better average seeding.
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I agree. St. John's is the ultimate enigma. 3-1 against Marquette and Villanova, 4-5 against the rest of the Big East.
Yep, they are so inconsistent. Sure Duke can blow out people but no way MU loses by 30 to them...but StJ was awful...Ponds totally shutdown.
Yet, like you said, they tortured us and Nova. Still smarting over that loss (Sam's last heave was so close! :( ).
I think StJohns gets in, gets a 12 or 13 and beats someone good before flaming out.
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Yep, they are so inconsistent. Sure Duke can blow out people but no way MU loses by 30 to them...but StJ was awful...Ponds totally shutdown.
Yet, like you said, they tortured us and Nova. Still smarting over that loss (Sam's last heave was so close! :( ).
I think StJohns gets in, gets a 12 or 13 and beats someone good before flaming out.
That ain't gonna happen. 13 is going to be from a lower tier conference and 12 is only going to happen if they total bomb going the rest of the way. They'll be 9/10 I'm sure. Maybe 11 if they lose more than expected of their remaining games.
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SJU is probably sitting on about the 9 line today. They aren't a lock yet but using the mantra that you need 68, as of today a no brainer. The Hall would certainly be IN today too.
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SJU is probably sitting on about the 9 line today. They aren't a lock yet but using the mantra that you need 68, as of today a no brainer. The Hall would certainly be IN today too.
I have the Johnnies at the top of the 8-line and Seton Hall in the Last Four Byes. Agreed that neither are locks, but they have both accumulated some quality wins that few teams on the bubble can match.
The biggest problem for St. John's is that they can only really hurt their profile from here on out. They play Providence & DePaul away (both beat them in NYC), play Xavier twice, and the only theoretically challenging game left is Seton Hall at home. With how they've been this year, this is an interesting closing stretch because they tend to win the games they are supposed to lose and lose the games they are supposed to win. I think they'll be okay, on paper they should win out, but they are nothing if not unpredictable (or predictable in a bad way).
Right now, 4 bids seems likely and Butler sneaking in is certainly possible. They have a relatively favorable finish though a lack of high quality wins could hurt them when it comes to resume comparisons. With how weak this bubble is, though, 9-9 may be enough for them.
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I have the Johnnies at the top of the 8-line and Seton Hall in the Last Four Byes. Agreed that neither are locks, but they have both accumulated some quality wins that few teams on the bubble can match.
The biggest problem for St. John's is that they can only really hurt their profile from here on out. They play Providence & DePaul away (both beat them in NYC), play Xavier twice, and the only theoretically challenging game left is Seton Hall at home. With how they've been this year, this is an interesting closing stretch because they tend to win the games they are supposed to lose and lose the games they are supposed to win. I think they'll be okay, on paper they should win out, but they are nothing if not unpredictable (or predictable in a bad way).
Right now, 4 bids seems likely and Butler sneaking in is certainly possible. They have a relatively favorable finish though a lack of high quality wins could hurt them when it comes to resume comparisons. With how weak this bubble is, though, 9-9 may be enough for them.
That is... until Creighton's offense gets super hot and they stop blowing their late leads, thus sweeping the BET and giving the BE 6 bids! 8-)
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That is... until Creighton's offense gets super hot and they stop blowing their late leads, thus sweeping the BET and giving the BE 6 bids! 8-)
Creighton Butler Big East Final with Creighton winning would be an ideal scenario for the league:)
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Creighton Butler Big East Final with Creighton winning would be an ideal scenario for the league:)
Yeah not if youre hoping for big tv ratings in the final.
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Yeah not if youre hoping for big tv ratings in the final.
Yes TV and in house would be bad. However the league gets compensated for it with the NCAA units.
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MU and Nova are the only teams with a shot to do any real damage in the NCAA Tournament so the best thing for the league would be those 2 getting as high of a seed as possible. So the best thing would be an MU vs. Nova final, and that’d also bring the most viewers with a top 15 matchup.
All I know is I’m hoping for a Marquette vs. Who the hell cares BE Tournament Final.
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MU and Nova are the only teams with a shot to do any real damage in the NCAA Tournament so the best thing for the league would be those 2 getting as high of a seed as possible. So the best thing would be an MU vs. Nova final, and that’d also bring the most viewers with a top 15 matchup.
All I know is I’m hoping for a Marquette vs. Who the hell cares BE Tournament Final.
What do you consider real damage?
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MU and Nova are the only teams with a shot to do any real damage in the NCAA Tournament so the best thing for the league would be those 2 getting as high of a seed as possible. So the best thing would be an MU vs. Nova final, and that’d also bring the most viewers with a top 15 matchup.
All I know is I’m hoping for a Marquette vs. Who the hell cares BE Tournament Final.
Agree with this, especially the last line, although I can't believe anybody is talking about the BEast tourney final yet because Wednesday's game is all that matters.
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What do you consider real damage?
More than 1 win in the NCAA Tournament.
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More than 1 win in the NCAA Tournament.
The Hall has shown they can beat quality teams. Also quality guard play helps in the tournament and they have that.
Not sure they can get more than one win though, as they haven't shown the consistency needed.
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More than 1 win in the NCAA Tournament.
I think SJU or SHU could win 2 but they'd have to catch some good matchups and that's probably their best case scenario. Agree with you for the most part. Just need Ponds or Powell to go bonkers in a 2nd round game.