Big East Non Conference Results

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Seton Hall has proven they are more than a middle of the pack Big East team . They have put many high quality wins on the board . McKnight was ripped by some people and I think he has proven he is a bona fide  Big East level starter.

Who ripped him?

[brewcity77]

Who ripped him?

Acknowledging that he was a high usage, low efficiency player at a bad low major I'm sure was "ripping him" even though it was just reality.

[Herman Cain]

The Johnnies are now 12-0 after routing Sacred Heart at home. Their final non conference game will be at Duke later in the season.

[nyg]

The Johnnies are now 12-0 after routing Sacred Heart at home. Their final non conference game will be at Duke later in the season.

SJU has only one, if that, quality win over VCU.  The rest of their schedule has been a slew of major cupcakes and thats why they are not ranked.

Yesterday against the mighty Sacred Heart, they got out rebounded 40-29.  Their biggest man, Clarke, is 6ft 7 and he likes to stay outside the lane and shoot threes.  Lets see how they do in an away game against Seton Hall next week.

[tower912]

Good for St. John's.    Herman, the voters look at their schedule and shrug.    OOC is a joke and they, like MU during Henry's season, may find that 20 wins with that schedule will not translate to a tournament bid.   

[brewcity77]

Good for St. John's.    Herman, the voters look at their schedule and shrug.    OOC is a joke and they, like MU during Henry's season, may find that 20 wins with that schedule will not translate to a tournament bid.   

St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.

[Herman Cain]

Good for St. John's.    Herman, the voters look at their schedule and shrug.    OOC is a joke and they, like MU during Henry's season, may find that 20 wins with that schedule will not translate to a tournament bid.   

I think it is ok that The Johnnies followed the schedule strategy of Henry's season . It is important for their program for the fans and the team to be having fun , which is the case right now. They have a lot of conference games at Carnesecca Arena so that positive energy should continue. I guess the question is can they 10 games in conference plus a BET.

[Pakuni]

So in the last 24 hours....
Providence wins at Texas
Seton Hall wins at Maryland
Marquette beats #14 Buffalo
Villanova bombs UConn at MSG
DePaul craps it pants in the final 2 minutes  versus Boston College. Thanks, DePaul.

DePaul, in fairness, got hosed on that Strus foul in the last minute.  Looked like a clean block on replay.

[Herman Cain]

Big East Rated 3rd  Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

[Lennys Tap]

Big East Rated 3rd  Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

The ACC is the 5th best conference? #Fake News

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Big East Rated 3rd  Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

And this is why RPI is a dead metric.

[Cheeks]

Big East Rated 3rd  Record 91-30
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

In that rating system the ACC has 6 teams ranked 90th or worse.  Big East has 3.  That's what is pulling it down.  The ACC will have a tough time being the best conference as will other mega conferences because their cream of the crop is pulled down by some bad teams, too.

Depends how you judge a conference....only the top or the entire thing.

Sagarin has ACC 3rd, Big East 5th.  That feels more right to me. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.

Dumb

[Oldgym]

Dumb

Based on this analysis, I'm gonna assume Brew is right and adjust my expectations for SJU accordingly.

[Jay Bee]

I reject the idea that "we have no idea" about St. John's. We know plenty.

Small - especially up front (won't OR, but have been solid with blocking out and limiting second chances of others thus far -- their defensive OR% will trend in a negative way as the season progresses); lack depth, LJF is good.

Ponds can be a game changer... but the main thing for me re: StJ is they need to shoot the ball well. Their offense carries them and there will be night's they get beat up pretty bad because they're not hitting shots. There may be a couple of night's where they look like world-beaters as well. (We've been there).

Like years past, they're an interesting team, but I don't think they can be a great team this season.

[MarquetteDano]

I reject the idea that "we have no idea" about St. John's. We know plenty.

I would also add they turn people over a lot and don't turn it over themselves.  Scares me at MSG the way we handle the ball at times.


oops:  looks like we play at Carnesecca for that game.

[brewcity77]

I reject the idea that "we have no idea" about St. John's. We know plenty.

Small - especially up front (won't OR, but have been solid with blocking out and limiting second chances of others thus far -- their defensive OR% will trend in a negative way as the season progresses); lack depth, LJF is good.

Ponds can be a game changer... but the main thing for me re: StJ is they need to shoot the ball well. Their offense carries them and there will be night's they get beat up pretty bad because they're not hitting shots. There may be a couple of night's where they look like world-beaters as well. (We've been there).

Like years past, they're an interesting team, but I don't think they can be a great team this season.

Agreed. Ponds & Heron will win them some games, but there are some serious question marks as well.

Another problem for the Johnnies is the Big East being down. Between their soft non-con and a down Big East, they probably need to win 23-24 games to get an at-large bid. That likely means at least 11-7 in league play just to be on the bubble.

[BM1090]

Agreed. Ponds & Heron will win them some games, but there are some serious question marks as well.

Another problem for the Johnnies is the Big East being down. Between their soft non-con and a down Big East, they probably need to win 23-24 games to get an at-large bid. That likely means at least 11-7 in league play just to be on the bubble.

Normally I'd agree but check the bubble resumes this year. A lot of bad out of conference performances. Lunardi has UCF, USF, Utah State, Minnesota, Ole Miss all in as of today. Some really poor resumes are going to get in.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I guess we will see.  I think basketball comes sown to matchups imo.  Wben sju rolls out ponds, heron, simon , figueroa and clark.  I think those guys are gonna win there maychups by a 3-2 or 4-1 margin most nights.  5 high high major players, recall clark was at mich state and simon at arizona both big time recruits n old men now

[Shooter McGavin]

MSK,  you seem like a big St. John fan.  Are you as active on their board?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I guess we will see.  I think basketball comes sown to matchups imo.  Wben sju rolls out ponds, heron, simon , figueroa and clark.  I think those guys are gonna win there maychups by a 3-2 or 4-1 margin most nights.  5 high high major players, recall clark was at mich state and simon at arizona both big time recruits n old men now

Actually Clark was a pretty meh recruit by Michigan State standards. 3-star ranked in the high 100s or low 200s by most services.

I agree with your general premise, they have 5 very talented players on their roster. I'm just not sure how those 5 pieces fit together. If Mullin can figure it out, they could challenge for the Big East crown.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

MSK,  you seem like a big St. John fan.  Are you as active on their board?

Not at all.  But they are very talented and we have posters that say they are no good and their schedule proves it. 
Huh?!?
They undressed a few times so i would think they would garner more respect from MU as similar to us they have some transfers are no longer one of the youngest teams in the league.

[Marquetteauburn]

Acknowledging that he was a high usage, low efficiency player at a bad low major I'm sure was "ripping him" even though it was just reality.

agreed, and I said  that could be directed at me in response to the Value Add projections - which had him low. All I pointed out at the time is that the projections simply say "here is how valuable he was last year, and typically a rising senior/junior/sophomore at that VAlue Add moves up this much. I do adjust if a player is drawing NBA attention,but if I tried eyeballing and subjectively adjusting players it would just be random on who I happened to watch and what I believed. Glad he is doing great though in a year that the Big East is a little down due to all the talent that left.

[brewcity77]

Not at all.  But they are very talented and we have posters that say they are no good and their schedule proves it. 
Huh?!?
They undressed a few times so i would think they would garner more respect from MU as similar to us they have some transfers are no longer one of the youngest teams in the league.

I said they look like a paper tiger and feel that's an easily defensible position. Their advanced ratings have dropped continuously and they've struggled against bad teams. That's because for the most part, they've only played bad teams. If they are narrowly beating teams in the 75-200 range, that would indicate they are barely better than teams in the 75-200 range.

If they're actually that good, they need to beat someone to prove it. If they start 2-0 in Big East play, then maybe they're as good as their results.

[Shooter McGavin]

Not at all.  But they are very talented and we have posters that say they are no good and their schedule proves it. 
Huh?!?
They undressed a few times so i would think they would garner more respect from MU as similar to us they have some transfers are no longer one of the youngest teams in the league.

Gotcha.  I agree, they are good.  I look forward, however, to going to their place and getting a W to establish the Big East pecking order immediately and getting our first road win out of the way.