Big East Non Conference Results

[nyg]

SJU starters:

Clarke    6ft 7
Simon    6ft 5
Figueroa 6 ft 6
Heron      6ft 5
Ponds     6ft 1

They play two guys off the bench, Dixon at 6ft 1 and Trimble at 6ft 3.

If Clarke gets in foul trouble or even Simon/Figueroa, they have serious, serious issues.

MU has Sam, Bailey, Theo, Joey, Morrow and Heldt who are all taller and Cain is probably even.  Clarke likes to play outside and that leaves no one underneath for them.  Foul trouble or not, Wojo probably pounds ball inside to take the extreme advantage in height.

SJU advantages are they are very athletic, like to play fast transition and Ponds can just go outright nuts on occasions.
Looking forward to how SJU plays against Seton Hall and we should all know more about how it will go against MU.   

[brewcity77]

Normally I'd agree but check the bubble resumes this year. A lot of bad out of conference performances. Lunardi has UCF, USF, Utah State, Minnesota, Ole Miss all in as of today. Some really poor resumes are going to get in.

I'm actually going through resumes today. The bubble will be interesting. Everyone also thought it would be soft last year but it ended up pretty firm. There were probably 8-10 teams in the mix for the last couple spots.

I'll admit, I'm curious how Lunardi is determining auto-bids. Not sure why he'd have Oregon in over ASU, St. Louis in over VCU, or Villanova over Marquette. And looking at the resumes of teams like Vandy, Clemson, and St. Louis, there are definitely some sketchy looking resumes near the cutline.

[Herman Cain]

I'm actually going through resumes today. The bubble will be interesting. Everyone also thought it would be soft last year but it ended up pretty firm. There were probably 8-10 teams in the mix for the last couple spots.

I'll admit, I'm curious how Lunardi is determining auto-bids. Not sure why he'd have Oregon in over ASU, St. Louis in over VCU, or Villanova over Marquette. And looking at the resumes of teams like Vandy, Clemson, and St. Louis, there are definitely some sketchy looking resumes near the cutline.

Do you think there is a possibly all of the prognosticators may be off since this is the first year of the NET tool?

[brewcity77]

Do you think there is a possibly all of the prognosticators may be off since this is the first year of the NET tool?

The implementation of the NET will be very interesting. I'm doing a S-Curve right now. A few things are tough to decide. When it comes to Selection Sunday, everyone will have the auto-bids right, but at this point, is it more prudent to go with the prediction models like Pomeroy or the NET rankings that can be drastically different? How much will the NET impact seeding?

Houston is a great example. If you follow Pomeroy, Cincinnati is the favorite to win the American, but the NET has Houston ahead. Not only ahead, but currently the undefeated Cougars are 5th in the NET. Are they a 2-seed autobid or a 9-seed at-large (35th in Pomeroy)? The truth is probably somewhere in between.

So far, the highest NET team I have out of the field is #41 Vanderbilt. The highest kenpom team I have out of the field is #32 Maryland. Most bids is the Big 10 with 9.

[MU82]

Ponds can be a game changer... but the main thing for me re: StJ is they need to shoot the ball well. Their offense carries them and there will be night's they get beat up pretty bad because they're not hitting shots. There may be a couple of night's where they look like world-beaters as well.

nights

[Herman Cain]

Creighton picked up a win tonight versus UMKC. The Blue Jays ended up 9-4 non conference .

[Herman Cain]

Georgetown ends up 10-3 in non conference with win over Howard.

Butler has a big opportunity on the road against Florida.

[JakeBarnes]

Georgetown ends up 10-3 in non conference with win over Howard.

Butler has a big opportunity on the road against Florida.

Giving up a 15-0 start not great for Butler

[JakeBarnes]

make that 21-0 at the 13 minutemark for florida

[Cheeks]

Giving up a 15-0 start not great for Butler

21-0 Florida over Butler with 12 minutes to play in half.  Hopefully they can drive a few yards to setup a fg and get some points before the half

[Mr. Nielsen]

Gator hoops hyped off the big football win today.

[brewcity77]

This Butler game is embarrassing. Florida is treating them like a buy team. 36-12 with about 5 minutes left in the first half.

[Mr. Nielsen]

You got to wonder the mindset. Butler already beat Florida this season. Now, just after Christmas break flying across the country. Florida wanted payback.

[Herman Cain]

 After Butler loss Big East 95-31 non conference with one more game later in season . St Johns vs Duke.

Overall , while not up to prior years , it was a solid performance for the league .

[MUBigDance]

After Butler loss Big East 95-31 non conference with one more game later in season . St Johns vs Duke.

Overall , while not up to prior years , it was a solid performance for the league .

This is in line with previous years % wise...but different teams carrying the load. Not bad for a "down year"

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.

Well they have lost twice now, so ur probably right

[brewcity77]

Well they have lost twice now, so ur probably right

They've been better in their Big East losses than they were in their non-con wins. I've been impressed by them the last two weeks. Still an erratic team, but they do look like a NCAA team. They'll lose some they shouldn't, but should win enough to get in.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

St. John's does not look good. It wouldn't surprise me if they finished bottom three and behind DePaul.

Not aging well

[Herman Cain]

Not aging well

I give people applauds for putting their opinion out there. No one is perfect.

[brewcity77]

Not aging well

I'd have a modicum of respect for you if you would've acknowledged how bad your take looked when SJU was 3-5 in league with home losses to Georgetown and DePaul. But you didn't.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Hear ye hear ye
My take hasnt changed. Do u want me to post that every 2-3 games? , weekly?

Dont take it out on me that a ludicrous post still looks that way

[brewcity77]

Hear ye hear ye
My take hasnt changed. Do u want me to post that every 2-3 games? , weekly?

Dont take it out on me that a ludicrous post still looks that way

They didn't look good. They lost to DePaul. A week ago they were 5-6 in league and had just lost in blowout fashion to Providence. I'm not sure they have changed that significantly in the past week.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Mercurial for sure but arguably the most talented team in BE.  Were always gonna finish higher than bottom 3.
2 maybe 3 wins from dancing

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Mercurial for sure but arguably the most talented team in BE.  Were always gonna finish higher than bottom 3.
2 maybe 3 wins from dancing

I agree. St. John's is the ultimate enigma.   3-1 against Marquette and Villanova, 4-5 against the rest of the Big East.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 17. Butler is going to be an interesting case for the committee.
New Old
19   20   Marquette   
20   19   Villanova   
46   49   St. John's (NY)   
49   54   Butler   
60   61   Seton Hall   
63   59   Creighton   
79   79   Georgetown   
85   74   Providence   
95   104   Xavier   
100   91   DePaul